dandeeland said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Prince sucks live now? Don't know about the greatest artist ever but he's there or thereabouts on the list of greatest living live performers. Saw him on Sunday and the guy is still awesome, one of the best shows I've seen from him outside of an aftershow.

Yes I do think he sucks live now. Maybe I have seen too many of his old shows. When I go to his show now I am bored for more than half of the show. I go to other peoples shows and I have a much better time now. I think its a couple of things for me. It seems to be the same songs over and over and he brings nothing new to the table plus I have seem him just too much in the past. He just can't do what he used to do. I am a BIG guitar fan and his playing has gotten very lazy and sloppy. His recents bands are also lacking in the personality and skills department to me. He used to have some incredible musicians around him and now they are all garbage. Can you honestly say the last 6 years tours by him can really matchup to the Lovesexy, Purple Rain, symbol album, D&P, Gold tour, Rainbow Children tour or even Sign o the times tour? NO its not even close!! I am glad you still enjoy it. I WISH I could say the same but I cant.

yes all is relative...... what u think, 4 others doesn´t mean a shit and others feel the same as you....

dandeeland said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Prince sucks live now? Don't know about the greatest artist ever but he's there or thereabouts on the list of greatest living live performers. Saw him on Sunday and the guy is still awesome, one of the best shows I've seen from him outside of an aftershow.

Yes I do think he sucks live now. Maybe I have seen too many of his old shows. When I go to his show now I am bored for more than half of the show. I go to other peoples shows and I have a much better time now. I think its a couple of things for me. It seems to be the same songs over and over and he brings nothing new to the table plus I have seem him just too much in the past. He just can't do what he used to do. I am a BIG guitar fan and his playing has gotten very lazy and sloppy. His recents bands are also lacking in the personality and skills department to me. He used to have some incredible musicians around him and now they are all garbage. Can you honestly say the last 6 years tours by him can really matchup to the Lovesexy, Purple Rain, symbol album, D&P, Gold tour, Rainbow Children tour or even Sign o the times tour? NO its not even close!! I am glad you still enjoy it. I WISH I could say the same but I cant.

In the last 6 years, he's only done the O2 and Hop Farm here in the UK.

The O2 aftershows were some of the best shows I've seen. The main shows were good but not as good as some of the past ones you mention. Hop Farm blew away anything he did at the O2 main shows. For me at least. In terms of vocals and playing I think he's better now than he's ever been. I preferred the Gold and ONA tours in terms of set lists played but that's another discussion.

All his musicians are garbage now? John Blackwell? Renato Netto? Maceo Parker? He's played recently with Sonny T, Michael B and Sheila's been popping up here and there. You may not like their personality but they are hardly garbage musicians!

To each their own though. That's always the beauty of Prince, one person's favourite track is hated by the next fan!

Yeah, I don't know about that. My feelings about Prince is sorta like this:

It's a love-hate thing. Which is a big credit to the guy. Despite of who he is, his music is so great, that I still love it.

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RS article 50 Immortal artists, 2004:

1) The Beatles
2) Bob Dylan

3) Elvis Presley

4) The Rolling Stones

5) Chuck Berry
6) Jimi Hendrix

7) James Brown

8) Little Richard
9) Aretha Franklin
10) Ray Charles

11) Bob Marley

12) The Beach Boys

13) Buddy Holly

14) Led Zeppelin

15) Stevie Wonder
16) Sam Cooke
17) Muddy Watters
18) Marvin Gaye
19) The Velvet Underground

20) Bo Diddley

21) Otis Redding
22) U2
23) Bruce Springsteen

24) Jerry Lee Lewis

25) Fats Domino

26) The Ramones

27) Nirvana

28) Prince

29) The Who
30) The Clash

31) Johnny Cash

32) Smokey Robinson and the Miracles

33) The Everly Brothers

34) Neil Young

35) Michael Jackson

36) Madonna

37) Roy Orbison

38) John Lennon

39) David Bowie
40) Simon and Garfunkel
41) The Doors
42) Van Morrison
43) Sly and the Family Stone
44) Public Enemy

45) The Byrds

46) Janis Joplin

47) Patti Smith

48) Run-DMC
49) Elton John

50) The Band

Prince is my #1,

a head of even The Beatles and Pink Floyd....

those 3 acts are my absolute fave...

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This almost feels like a cult.

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^ THIS guy is the most Overrated artist,

Off The Wall,

Thriller,

Bad

>>> 3 amazing albums, and then some great singles from Dangerous and HIStory.

3 brilliant albums does not make him KOP imo....

-

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Hello, Michael here lol - in my opinion, seeing as Prince was also Mozart in a past (simultaneous) life - then I'd say yes - he is the greatest of all 'time'.

thedance said:

^ THIS guy is the most Overrated artist,

Off The Wall,

Thriller,

Bad

>>> 3 amazing albums, and then some great singles from Dangerous and HIStory.

3 brilliant albums does not make him KOP imo....

-

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13 #1 singles in the US, #3 Best selling music artist of all time, Thriller; best-selling album of all time.....and the list goes on and on...all this with only 10 studio albums that's an accomplishment I'd say!

thedance said:

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^ THIS guy is the most Overrated artist,

Off The Wall,

Thriller,

Bad

>>> 3 amazing albums, and then some great singles from Dangerous and HIStory.

3 brilliant albums does not make him KOP imo....

-

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Um - he's not overrated. Don't even pull that stunt. In YOUR opinion there were three great albums, but Dangerous and HIStory were great albums.

And, once again, the honorific title of KOP is not just based on music, but sales, live performances, videos, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. There's a reason Michael is called the King Of Pop and Prince isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_and_achievements_of_Michael_Jackson

George Clinton and James Brown were only as good as the musicians they chose. James Brown did not write music, he grunted and danced. Bootsy said James would come intot he room, get himself worked up and at some point start counting a song off. The problem was there was no song and no warning when he would do it. If you wanted to get paid, you started playing when he started counting. Bootsy and Catfish knew what keys he likes to grunt in, so when he counted they would start playing stuff in those keys. Do a little research and see just how many JB classics Bootsy and Catfish wrote for James to grunt over. I'm not taking anything from James. If music were film, he could be called one of the greatest DIRECTORS of all time, but you wouldn't call George Lucas and actor, (hell, most of the time you can't even call his ACTORS actors). James had the big vision, but he didn't write or perform outside of grunting and dancing, one of which is totally unnecessary to make a record. Grunting is always good.

George Clinton is very similar. He had a CONcept and the guys in the band would play little sections of music and George would pick and choose the ones he liked and arrange the segments in an order that suited him. Again, DIRECTOR.

Calling these guys the greatest anything other than organizer and inpiration is a misnomer, I think.

Prince and Stevie Wonder, (and a few others) can be called almost without exception director, screenwriter, actor, etc...

Prince is probably my favourite artist but hes not the greatest... I think Dylan would have to take that title

ravein2thejoy said:

Prince is probably my favourite artist but hes not the greatest... I think Dylan would have to take that title

smoothcriminal12 said:

This almost feels like a cult.

@ Cravens' post.

thisisit said:

Hello, Michael here lol - in my opinion, seeing as Prince was also Mozart in a past (simultaneous) life - then I'd say yes - he is the greatest of all 'time'.

Okay, now this is just crazy. Prince was Mozart in his past life? Yeah, and I was Shakespeare.

uuhson said:

1. Elvis Presley

I know... I know.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Um - he's not overrated. Don't even pull that stunt. In YOUR opinion there were three great albums, but Dangerous and HIStory were great albums.

And, once again, the honorific title of KOP is not just based on music, but sales, live performances, videos, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. There's a reason Michael is called the King Of Pop and Prince isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_and_achievements_of_Michael_Jackson

First of all, to stay on topic for a moment. I either admire or feel bad for the original poster. If as he implies, he has indeed heard all of the music of "all-time," then I am envious. I'm over 40 and still and contantly discovering incredible music from the past. It pains me that life is simply too short to discover all of the great music out there, but I can keep trying and discovering.

If he HASN'T heard all of the music ever recorded, then I feel bad for him that his mind is closed to even considering acts and composers that have come and gone or among us now that may challenge his position on Prince. If you discover something you like even more, isn't that a good thing?

Re: MJ. Smooth is correct, MJ is not overrated.

By my estimation he is rated fairly accurately by most of the general public, and that as is the "greatest song-and-dance man" of the 20th Century. That said, at the end of the day, that's all he was; a "song-and-dance man." He wasn't an exceptional composer, lyricist or even musician, but had a nice singing voice, a good sense of rhythm and developed a distictive vocal-style. Like Elvis, his legacy will be only partly musical, with equal (or more) parts tragedy, oddity and cultural icon thrown in.

This is the general concensus on Jackson, and in my experience it's only fanatics that "overrate" him.

Don't even start with the "King of Pop" rubbish. It is not only a completely meaningless title, but it is widely accepted to be a self-proclaimed title at that. The fact that he made-up this title for himself just makes Jackson come off a little like Brian Fellow.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

thisisit said:

Hello, Michael here lol - in my opinion, seeing as Prince was also Mozart in a past (simultaneous) life - then I'd say yes - he is the greatest of all 'time'.

Okay, now this is just crazy. Prince was Mozart in his past life? Yeah, and I was Shakespeare.

And I'm Bach.

smoothcriminal12 said:

thedance said:

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^ THIS guy is the most Overrated artist,

Off The Wall,

Thriller,

Bad

>>> 3 amazing albums, and then some great singles from Dangerous and HIStory.

3 brilliant albums does not make him KOP imo....

-

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Um - he's not overrated. Don't even pull that stunt. In YOUR opinion there were three great albums, but Dangerous and HIStory were great albums.

And, once again, the honorific title of KOP is not just based on music, but sales, live performances, videos, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. There's a reason Michael is called the King Of Pop and Prince isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_and_achievements_of_Michael_Jackson

oh its not a stunt! he is soooo completely overrated it makes me want to puke!! its not an opinion its a FACT! get over it! he will never b half as smart as prince is, no wonder prince never wanted to do anything with him! he got so much help starting his career, and prince had 0 help! so ya i would have to say u would have to b very smart and talented to become as famous and successful as prince is BY YOURSELF! plus he doesnt molest children

purplerain14 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Um - he's not overrated. Don't even pull that stunt. In YOUR opinion there were three great albums, but Dangerous and HIStory were great albums.

And, once again, the honorific title of KOP is not just based on music, but sales, live performances, videos, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. There's a reason Michael is called the King Of Pop and Prince isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_and_achievements_of_Michael_Jackson

oh its not a stunt! he is soooo completely overrated it makes me want to puke!! its not an opinion its a FACT! get over it! he will never b half as smart as prince is, no wonder prince never wanted to do anything with him! he got so much help starting his career, and prince had 0 help! so ya i would have to say u would have to b very smart and talented to become as famous and successful as prince is BY YOURSELF! plus he doesnt molest children

Here's the thing...regardless to what you and even he may want to think. Prince DID NOT become as famous and successful as he is...ALL BY HIMSELF! That's not my opinion...it's indisputable FACT and no amount of revisionist history will EVER change that!

Believe it!

purplerain14 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Um - he's not overrated. Don't even pull that stunt. In YOUR opinion there were three great albums, but Dangerous and HIStory were great albums.

And, once again, the honorific title of KOP is not just based on music, but sales, live performances, videos, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. There's a reason Michael is called the King Of Pop and Prince isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_and_achievements_of_Michael_Jackson

oh its not a stunt! he is soooo completely overrated it makes me want to puke!! its not an opinion its a FACT! get over it! he will never b half as smart as prince is, no wonder prince never wanted to do anything with him! he got so much help starting his career, and prince had 0 help! so ya i would have to say u would have to b very smart and talented to become as famous and successful as prince is BY YOURSELF! plus he doesnt molest children

Christ, can you edit these posts so we don't have to see this huge image three times in one page! Are you computer illiterate?!!?? If you hate him, why are you wallpapering the thread with his image?

Damn, Smooth knows first-hand that I'm not a huge Jackson fan*, but.... Purple: STOP SCREAMING AND STOP REPOSTING THAT IMAGE!!!

* Is this how Moderate Conservatives view the Tea Party?

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Okay, now this is just crazy. Prince was Mozart in his past life? Yeah, and I was Shakespeare.

a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Best artist is 100% subjective. So are the people wrong who think Bruce Springsteen is the best? No they are just as right as we are feeling Prince is the best. Even the dumbf*&ks who think Justin Beiber is the best aren't wrong....even though they still have low IQ or are just young and immature.

But yes Prince was/is a bad MFer.

im not a big mj fan, but could someone tell me how instrumental quincy jones was in off the wall, thriller, and bad?

uuhson said:

im not a big mj fan, but could someone tell me how instrumental quincy jones was in off the wall, thriller, and bad?

Not sure how this is on topic... but I would say his contributions were significant.

Imaginative said:

uuhson said:

im not a big mj fan, but could someone tell me how instrumental quincy jones was in off the wall, thriller, and bad?

Not sure how this is on topic... but I would say his contributions were significant.

prince never needed a producer

vitriol said:

Not a fan?

thedance said:

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^ THIS guy is the most Overrated artist,

He's not overrated in high schools

kids(bandwagoners) these days love to pretend they love michael jackson, despite only knowing a few of his songs

Although you can argue that most other artists are as skilled, enough not more than Prince. Talented too, as well as Prince. But yet Prince has this eerie x-factor that no-one else possess. Maybe in the same way that Mozart did and to describe it would be impossible.

What Prince possesses as well as his many other talents is a way to connect with the audience, men and women, like no other artist. He is about incorporating something for both sexes equally. He is not just a man showing off his skills and talents - which he could easily do.

Prince is obsessed with how we listen and what pushes our buttons. He is very clever and no other artist comes anywhere near him in this catergory. I think that is why he remains so universally popular.