"Back cover "Printed in Japan" with UPC
Only known back cover for this target disc.

Notes: This disc is not particularly common, but can be found without a
whole lot of difficulty. Auction prices tend to be inflated due to competition
with Prince fans."

http://www.targetcd.com/pr1999j.html

mydrawers said:

MKevon said:

First, standard CDs in 1982 were 60 minutes, not 74. Second, WB asked Prince which song to drop; he chose DMSR.

Where are you getting your information, and do you have a link to back it up? Not to be argumenative, but 74 minutes was chosen as the CD running time from the giddy-up, due to the fact (ALLEGEDLY) that one of Beethoven's symphonies ran exactly that amount of time.

Even still... 1999 was NOT released in on CD 1982. There were only actually a handful of CD's released in 1982. Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" was one of those. 1999 was not released on CD, IIRC, until around 1985 (or certainly 1984 at the earliest....I'm checking into this).

Also, I remember when 1999 was first released on CD reading about it in the magazine "Digital audio and compact disc review", and they noted even at the time that the omission of DMSR was inexplicable, considering there would have been plenty of room to spare even if it had been included.

[Edited 7/4/11 13:20pm]

MKevon is right. I LIVED in that time and was already a fan, and even all the workers in record stores told you that this was the reason for it. That is my source.

ludwig said:

mydrawers said:

Where are you getting your information, and do you have a link to back it up? Not to be argumenative, but 74 minutes was chosen as the CD running time from the giddy-up, due to the fact (ALLEGEDLY) that one of Beethoven's symphonies ran exactly that amount of time.

Even still... 1999 was NOT released in on CD 1982. There were only actually a handful of CD's released in 1982. Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" was one of those. 1999 was not released on CD, IIRC, until around 1985 (or certainly 1984 at the earliest....I'm checking into this).

Also, I remember when 1999 was first released on CD reading about it in the magazine "Digital audio and compact disc review", and they noted even at the time that the omission of DMSR was inexplicable, considering there would have been plenty of room to spare even if it had been included.

[Edited 7/4/11 13:20pm]

MKevon is right. I LIVED in that time and was already a fan, and even all the workers in record stores told you that this was the reason for it. That is my source.

Well here is my source:

http://gizmodo.com/572986...nutes-long

"When the Compact Disc Digital Audio standard came out in 1980, there was a curious fact about it: It was 74 minutes long. Not 60 minutes. Or an even 70 minutes. Seventy-four."

And I can come up with many more links if you like.......................................

[Edited 7/4/11 13:57pm]

mydrawers said:

ludwig said:

MKevon is right. I LIVED in that time and was already a fan, and even all the workers in record stores told you that this was the reason for it. That is my source.

Well here is my source:

http://gizmodo.com/572986...nutes-long

"When the Compact Disc Digital Audio standard came out in 1980, there was a curious fact about it: It was 74 minutes long. Not 60 minutes. Or an even 70 minutes. Seventy-four."

And I can come up with many more links if you like.......................................

[Edited 7/4/11 13:57pm]

If u read the article linked at the end of your article, it says that it was actually 72 minutes until 1988 (when it bacame 74), could it be that? How long is 1999 anyway?

mydrawers said:

MKevon said:

First, standard CDs in 1982 were 60 minutes, not 74. Second, WB asked Prince which song to drop; he chose DMSR.

Where are you getting your information, and do you have a link to back it up? Not to be argumenative, but 74 minutes was chosen as the CD running time from the giddy-up, due to the fact (ALLEGEDLY) that one of Beethoven's symphonies ran exactly that amount of time.

Even still... 1999 was NOT released in on CD 1982. There were only actually a handful of CD's released in 1982. Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" was one of those. 1999 was not released on CD, IIRC, until around 1985 (or certainly 1984 at the earliest....I'm checking into this).

Also, I remember when 1999 was first released on CD reading about it in the magazine "Digital audio and compact disc review", and they noted even at the time that the omission of DMSR was inexplicable, considering there would have been plenty of room to spare even if it had been included.

[Edited 7/4/11 13:20pm]

(a) You're right - the CD of 1999 was release in the mid eighties, not 1982, which was the album release.

(b) 74 minutes was the technical maximum of a 120mm disk, designed by Sony. But Philips opened the first CD manufacturing plant with 115mm disks for mass marketing. These disks were limited to 60 minute playing time. 120mm did not become a mass market standard until 1990s. Link: http://www.exp-math.uni-e...hoven.htm.

(c) The original 1999 disk clearly states in the notes that due to technical limitations, the song DMSR has been deleted.

Oh, and the Beethoven Ninth dicta is romantic rumor shot down by the techies involved. The symphony ran anywhere from 60 to 82 minutes, depending on the orchestra.

MKevon said:

mydrawers said:

Where are you getting your information, and do you have a link to back it up? Not to be argumenative, but 74 minutes was chosen as the CD running time from the giddy-up, due to the fact (ALLEGEDLY) that one of Beethoven's symphonies ran exactly that amount of time.

Even still... 1999 was NOT released in on CD 1982. There were only actually a handful of CD's released in 1982. Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" was one of those. 1999 was not released on CD, IIRC, until around 1985 (or certainly 1984 at the earliest....I'm checking into this).

Also, I remember when 1999 was first released on CD reading about it in the magazine "Digital audio and compact disc review", and they noted even at the time that the omission of DMSR was inexplicable, considering there would have been plenty of room to spare even if it had been included.

[Edited 7/4/11 13:20pm]

(a) You're right - the CD of 1999 was release in the mid eighties, not 1982, which was the album release.

(b) 74 minutes was the technical maximum of a 120mm disk, designed by Sony. But Philips opened the first CD manufacturing plant with 115mm disks for mass marketing. These disks were limited to 60 minute playing time. 120mm did not become a mass market standard until 1990s. Link: http://www.exp-math.uni-e...hoven.htm.

(c) The original 1999 disk clearly states in the notes that due to technical limitations, the song DMSR has been deleted.

Fair enough.

mydrawers said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Of course, with tthe time limites, the better solution would have been.....

Disc 1

1999

Little red corvette

Delirious

Lets pretend we're married

DMSR

Automatic

Something in the Water

Free

Disc 2

Lady Cab Driver

All the Critics love you in NY

International Lover

Irresistable Bitch

Horny Toad

How Come U don't call me anymore

Little Red Corvette (Dance Mix)

Agreed, this would have been awesome, but I should point out that there were no time limits in regard to releasing 1999 on 1 CD in it's entirety.

No, because then people would be bitching - rightfully so - that he put LRC on the album twice (extended or not). You might as well replace it with Feel U Up or something if the configuration's gonna go this route.

it would have made more sense to remove "All The Critics Love U In New York".

SoulAlive said:

it would have made more sense to remove "All The Critics Love U In New York".

There is no "sense" to be made of it. Outside of leaving the singles alone, removing anything else is subjective. Personally, I'd drop SITW before anything else.

soulyacolia said:

I'm pretty sure that CD's had a limited capacity as late on as 92 because he had to remove a lot of the segues from the symbol album to make way for 'eye want 2 melt with u'

I seem to recall thinking that the CD was an oddity at the time. I'd never seen a single CD with such a long running time up to that point and the running time itself was OVER the officially listed red book spec of 74m33s. I had a couple of players from the mid to late 80's that wouldn't even play the disc (and at least one computer that scoffed at it).

mydrawers said:

Did you know... that when 1999 was first released on CD, the track "DMSR" was omitted? The original CD version of the album was cut, omitting "D.M.S.R.". There is a disclaimer on the back cover of the original compact disc pressing that reads "To enable the release of 1999 as a single compact disc, the song DMSR has been omitted from the original LP edition".

Now, here's the thing: there was never any need in the first place to omit DMSR because the disc would have STILL been WELL under the 74 minute (at the time) limit for CD's, had 1999 been released on a single disc in it's entirety!!!!!!!!

Now, here's another thing: for the sake of arguement, IF they did have to omit a track from 1999, why omit one of the strongest tracks (DMSR) instead of omitting by far the weakest track, the abysmal "FREE"?

All of this said, the original 10 track version of 1999 is a very highly sought after collectable by Prince collectors.

[Edited 7/4/11 0:13am]

I have both the single record uk version and the cd, it was actually the first cd I bought when I got my first cd player in 1988, never realised it was a collectors item

jtfolden said:

SoulAlive said:

it would have made more sense to remove "All The Critics Love U In New York".

There is no "sense" to be made of it. Outside of leaving the singles alone, removing anything else is subjective. Personally, I'd drop SITW before anything else.

"Something In The Water"? Hell no....that song stays!!

I like "All The Critics..." but let's be honest.....nobody ever lists that song as one of their favorites from the album.On the other hand,"D.M.S.R" is a funk classic that got alot of airplay on R&B stations.It's one of the tracks that they should have never even considered removing.

Come to think of it, 1999 is awful, silly songs about war, fast cars, insanity, premarital facial abuse, freedom, digital liquid, bondage, sexual aviation, appreciative journalism and last but not least human navigation systems...

anyone here know how to make crosswords?

jtfolden said:

soulyacolia said:

I'm pretty sure that CD's had a limited capacity as late on as 92 because he had to remove a lot of the segues from the symbol album to make way for 'eye want 2 melt with u'

I seem to recall thinking that the CD was an oddity at the time. I'd never seen a single CD with such a long running time up to that point and the running time itself was OVER the officially listed red book spec of 74m33s. I had a couple of players from the mid to late 80's that wouldn't even play the disc (and at least one computer that scoffed at it).

The first CD I had that went OVER 74 minutes was Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers DTK/LAMF, it was like 77 minutes long! This was like 1987 or early 1988.

Whitnail said:

Come to think of it, 1999 is awful, silly songs about war, fast cars, insanity, premarital facial abuse, freedom, digital liquid, bondage, sexual aviation, appreciative journalism and last but not least human navigation systems...

SoulAlive said:

it would have made more sense to remove "All The Critics Love U In New York".

Agree. As I just said over in the wrong thread, I bet it would have come off too, but for the fact that the master was already produced and All the Critics segues into the songs on each side of it. I think DMSR went because from a production point of view, only Lets Pretend, DMSR and Automatic could be cut easily.

As videos were already made for Lets Pretend and Automatic, DMSR was the obvious victim.

Now what would have really been sensible at the time, if there really were time limitations to the first issue of 1999 on CD, is to include D.M.S.R. as a bonus track on Controversy. That way people who are buying his catalogue would have gotten the entire 1999 album eventually. Little Feat, another WB artist, actually did something like that, included cuts that couldn't fit on their double live CD on another release.

BTW, I remember buying the "new" complete version of 1999 in January of 1991 when it was finally issued. I was so excited, I kind of imagined that the sound quality was improved over the old version (it wasn't).

I have both CD versions of 1999, plus the Japanese SHM. But when I want to listen, I usually pull out to the Foefur "remaster" since to my ears it most closely recalls the sonic glory of the 1999 double LP.

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[Edited 7/8/11 8:12am]

Whitnail said:

Come to think of it, 1999 is awful, silly songs about war, fast cars, insanity, premarital facial abuse, freedom, digital liquid, bondage, sexual aviation, appreciative journalism and last but not least human navigation systems...

anyone here know how to make crosswords?

You almost got me.

Timmy84 said:

Whitnail said:

Come to think of it, 1999 is awful, silly songs about war, fast cars, insanity, premarital facial abuse, freedom, digital liquid, bondage, sexual aviation, appreciative journalism and last but not least human navigation systems...

anyone here know how to make crosswords?

You almost got me.