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WITH PRINCE...TO ME...ITS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC... yes..i just read the full interview in the guardian...i dont really think its a big deal...his views on the world have been pretty well set now for over ten years since the jw thing took over... . i remember standing in paisley park in 2001 during the rainbow children celebration with a group of fans and kevin smith was there along with larry graham and prince and a camera crew filming us having a discussion about the new album which we had just heard...it quickly became just a preaching session from larry graham which went on for about 3 hours...prince would ask the occasional question and crack the occasional joke ( he is a very funny guy ) but as i stood there...all i wanted was for prince to sit down at that big piano that sat in the middle of paisley park and give us a few tunes.. . its has and always will be about the music for me....i have no interest in religions of any description...i understand and respect that that is what prince believes and needs in his life and it as no doubt helped him make the music he has made during the past 30 odd years but...religion does nothing for me.. . prince is a genius (i believe) and its a fine line that they walk...madness, insanity..they are never far away from people who are endlessly creative like he is and there has been plenty of examples in the past of amazing creative people stepping over that line from genius to madness...brian wilson...imo...was a songwriting genius who became unstable in 1967 trying to write the follow up to pet sounds and has never fully recovered from it...there are plenty of examples of these... . i think we have to keep this in perspective as well..he has always been a bit off the wall and at least he isnt self desructive like many in the past have been and he isnt going around murdering anyone.. . he just has some strange views on things...but ..at the end of the day.... . its all about the music...and if prince doesnt release another album by the end of next year...you can have my right testicle on a plate.. . .
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hmm, what about when his personal views really start to affect his music both lyrically and conceptually. Personally I have found his music is now barely listenable since the whole JW religion thing really kicked in to the point where it is no longer about the music it's more about how other issues have affected his music. I just can't enoy him anymore. Here's a story, like many i love to put my Pod on randon in my car and I had all sorts of great stuff playing, 1 after another both old and very new then.......the opening line to 'All the midnights in the world' came on!!!. I hit the next track after 5 seconds and fell about laughing and just how shit it was. Luckily the next track was Beck. A man who has not allowed his religion to affect his music in any way!. | |
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yes i would do the same....but he made shit tracks in the 80s as well...just not as many...but they are few and far between ...and i love beck as well...but he aint got the talent that prince was born with... .
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The question you have to ask is why turn over when 'All The Midnights In The World" comes on? I don't understand your point of view. That song is of the least formulaic and the most idiosyncratic of the Barry Manilow fest that is Planet Earth. Prince was once vaunted for this approach to song writing. Does the lyric content upset you? If it does you really should go back and examine an awful lot of Prince's lyric content from before... they revolve around the same idea... often not quite so ... originally...
I agree that the JW thang is an abomination... but I would rather listen to the abomination that is The Rainbow Children, and listen and hear all of Prince's religious meanderings, because they are interesting and more engaging, than an artist singing how great it it to love, be loved, love, be part of love, love, love and love.
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i agree with most of that..thats why i dont go on about what he wants to believe in...the rainbow children WAS interesting overall but his songwriting wasnt at its strongest during that period....the rainbow children sounded great but lacked great songs... . whatever he was trying to do on 'all the midnights in the world' ..imo...didnt work and its a skipable track along with mr crapnight on the same album... .
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lo, O.K. this came on after the stones 'sympathy for the devil', the yeah yeah yeahs 'zero' and then the most limp writsted vocal hits with THAT track. Come on, the song is just awful [IMHO], lyrically & musically. | |
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ah, yes but with any gaps he has he fills with damn good collaborators to create amazing and constantly interesting music. Guerro still blows me away today, I always hear something new when I play the album. | |
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But, ATMITW is ... ish... Ballad of Dorothy Parker mark two... an actual song on an otherwise clusterfuck of a CD nd better than most other songs you're apt likely to here. Where it fell in your MP3 cycleis neither here nor there. It is what it is. And, it's better than most. | |
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weird. im listening to that album right now "It's time for you to go to the wire." | |
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Thank you, Blackbob. Prince will always stir up CONTROVERSY but after all, it is about the music. He's a musician, not a politician, theologian or sage (even though he calls himself the Purple Yoda). I agree that genius is often touched by madness. I mean, look at Mozart and Van Gogh, among others.
His music is unique and extraordinary so why should we expect his views and opinions of things to be the same as an average, ordinary man? Have u had your + sign today? | |
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He's a musician that doesn't want to put out any more music because it doesn't pay like it used to.
Sounds like he has lost what made him a musician in the first place. . | |
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What if what you valued and created seemed to be devalued in this point in time? Would it not make you think of doing things differently. What if you created something out of nothing and felt like it contained a part of your soul. And it was meet with indifference or distain? What if it was treated as if it had no value at all or simply passed freely from person to person without payment. How could that not affect you? | |
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Yeah it's about the music - but when he says stupid shit in interviews, we can still say so. He's not untouchable. | |
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Right. Once an artist finds that his work is not accepted by the public, he should be allowed to do or say whatever he likes and no one should criticize him. Just consider the artist who created these great paintings.
It's amazing that Prince can say literally anything now and people will rush to defend him.
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Tell that to Mozart or Picasso. They didn't stop creating because the market didn't turn out like they hoped.
Prince's art is not devaluing because of the market, its devaluing because of choices made.
Prince was seen as a pioneer when he broke away from WB. He promoted the internet as the way forward. Prince helped screw the record companies who are now in trouble. It was Prince that said we don't need formats and labels.
12 years on, and he now doesn't like the companies that came and filled the void he helped create. They only exist because there is a market. And the market is there because artists are artists and not business people. Prince tried it his own way and failed. And he failed because he felt everyone should come on some mystical journey with him and follow on trust alone. All the time, signing people up with contracts and payments. A lot of people felt let down or screwed over.
Roll on 10 years. Prince is giving his albums away for a few hundred thousand with newspapers. He is devaluing the very essence of the CD.
Prince is now facing the result of some of this decisions and he doesn't like it.
I wrote a book once. I was told it was crap. It didn't get published and I didn't earn anything. I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram and say them I will never write again. And I'm not going to pretend the world is wrong and they simple don't "get" my book. And I would hope to god that I don't have a bunch of supporters trying to tell everyone how they are wrong for not liking my book.
Prince could sign up right now to a music service and make money. The problem is, its not the cut he wants. I don't see why we should have sympathy for a man who simply doesn't like it if he doesn't get his own way.
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You are so in a rush to attack that you are not even really considering what I said. Did it appear I was talking about his views on Muslim countires or was I talking about his reasons for not releasing music? | |
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Co Sign...
He acted like a fool business wise and now he can`t turn back... He won`t stop the internet and itunes from excisting because he is ignoring it...every fan, who dod not get 20TEN from CD via print media downloaded it for free.......all the successful stars make millions of dollars from music and concerts... He seems frustrated..nothing else.... | |
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And the problem is you can not separate the man and his music from his views...especially if he thinks dictatorship is good
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Did Prince say he was not creating music? We know he is by new songs he did at the forum. What he said is that he was not releasing an album. Those are two entirely different things. If the environment his not to his liking why should he release anything? Isn't is prorogative?
It certainly was not Prince's fault that the music industry fell nor his responsibilty. He was just a pawn in the game. A game he felt the need to escape. How and why would you fault him from following his heart?
It seems like for some reason you view Prince as your enemy. Like he done something to you. What has he done to you besides provide music which is for you to love or hate?
By all your complaints i take it that all the decisions you have made in your life are beyond reproach not just by you but every jack and jill that can formulate an opinion. B | |
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Well, what are you saying? Sounds like you feel sympathy for Prince and want to defend him for some reason. He's been complaining about the music industry and threatening not to release new albums for decades. I haven't seen him defend Islamic theocracy before, however, and that's what most of us seem to be upset about. I feel zero sympathy for him right now whatever his personal problems may be. The Census Bureau estimates that there are 2,518 American Indians and Alaska Natives currently living in the city of Long Beach. | |
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Exactly. You don't know what I mean because you are not paying attention. U just get off on the attack. Who asked you for sympathy? I was giving a possible motivation for his reasoning on not releasing music right now.
You as well as the rest of these folks are acting like Prince is lining up to stone some poor women. What you guys have done is thrown all the issues and conflicts of religion and freedom and history of Islam on one fleeting statement Prince made in the course of a conversation with one reporter who highlighted what can be viewed as controversal to sell newspapers.
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I laughed when I first read Prince's comments about Islam and burqas because I know he is just running his mouth as usual, and although he does have some real issues about control that go beyond music, no rational person takes him seriously and he has no power or authority to impose his will on anyone other than the few friends he has left.
I kept laughing when I saw people defending Prince and claiming that the Guardian falsified the interview or took Prince's comments out of context, when the quote fit perfectly with the nutty stuff he's said for years.
But I stopped laughing when a few people started defending the substance of Prince's comments about Islam and social control as an antidote to the "chaos and disorder" in America or the world today. That, I find disturbing. You may not be guilty of this but others are. That's why things are getting unpleasant around here. The Census Bureau estimates that there are 2,518 American Indians and Alaska Natives currently living in the city of Long Beach. | |
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If it ain't the right amount of money, you can forget Prince even doing it. Like I said in another topic, if he was really serious about curbing so-called "internet piracy", if he was so serious about where music is going, why doesn't he DO something about it? Like daPrettyMan suggested in another topic, release the new album as vinyl-only. Release a new song on radio every other month to get people's responses. The reason why he decided to stop recording for now isn't because of what's going on online, it's about control, which he claims there's lack of online, it's about money. He wanted to be the producer/writer/arranger to his own stuff so he can get MONEY (and also because he didn't want producers to make him into something he didn't wanna be). If the money ain't right to him, he'll turn it down and go on rants that don't make sense and at the end of it he does nothing, does his concerts and carries on with whatever life he has when he exits the stage and returns home to Minneapolis or whatever he's living at in that given time. | |
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You seem obsessed with telling everyone what they are supposed to be thinking or saying.
Just look at the main thread based on interview. There is virtual universal condemnation of what Prince said, but you don't defend Princes word, instead you attack people for expressing their opinion.
I haven't complained about Prince at all. I love his music, including his new stuff. I just think the guy is a twat. I always have. And I certainly won't ignore or defend some of his twisted logic.
Do you really think Prince is a pawn or victim in all this??? What do you actually think about comments Prince made. Why don't you analyse those, rather than knock everyone elses opinion?
You seem to be very bitter to people who a view that differs from your own, and judging by the content of these threads, thats about 99% of people. I think you need to chill or go find a happy place.
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Having read or watched most of the interviews he's done in the last 10-15 years, I'd say it's barely about the music at all with Prince. | |
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I think sometimes he wants people to see him as more than just a musician, but that he has a beautiful (while be it confusing) mind Prince's Sarah | |
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Nothing personal, but I'm curious why this OP simply wasn't included in the thread you reference? "There is two kinds of music, the good, and the bad. I play the good kind."
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Pretty much. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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Da stimme ich dir zu .
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Why doesn't he stand on the street and become a busker if he is so bothered about giving music for free, it would sure brighten up my journey to work. Might even tip him a few coins.. Shut up already, damn. | |
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