SoulAlive said:

Most film directors seem to understand this concept.

Many films have score soundtracks (ie. John Williams) and not pop/rock/R&B tunes though.

Not hijacking the discussion to Batman Album - but initially Tim wanted to include 2 existing Prince songs - one being Baby I'm A Star. They did a rough cut with it, and then Prince decided to give them some new music - although Burton was still only thinking of including 2 songs in the film - although you can hear snippets of other songs like The Future and Electric Chair, only Partyman and Trust were considered to be the songs for the movie by Burton and co.

Interestingly it has been reported that the initial concept was to have both Prince and Michael Jackson record one side each of a soundtrack album - with Prince taking the darker elements of the movie and Michael Jackson taking the lighter.

Swa said:

Interestingly it has been reported that the initial concept was to have both Prince and Michael Jackson record one side each of a soundtrack album - with Prince taking the darker elements of the movie and Michael Jackson taking the lighter.

I've heard that this was Jack Nicholson's idea. Jack later appeared in The Time's Jerk Out video, and so did Quincy Jones. Morris later remade Somebody's Watching Me and Jam & Lewis worked on the HIStory album.

[Edited 6/23/11 18:41pm]

I love every cheesy moment of that song.

SoulAlive said:

http://www.timburtoncollective.com/articles/misc5.html

Rolling Stone: The other thing in the first Batman film that felt horribly intrusive was the Prince music. We're in this Tim Burton world, and all of a sudden, like him or not, in rides Prince.

Tim Burton: Yeah, it's true. It's the unholy alliance of me and . . .

Rolling Stone: Warner Bros. marketing, pure and simple?

Tim Burton: This is what happened. You learn something new every day. Now, here is a guy, Prince, who was one of my favorites. I had just gone to see two of his concerts in London, and I felt they were like the best concerts I'd ever seen. Okay. So. They're saying to me, these record guys, it needs this and that, and they give you this whole thing about it's an expensive movie so you need it. And what happens is, you get engaged in this world, and then there's no way out. There's too much money. There's this guy you respect and is good and has got this thing going. It got to a point where there was no turning back. And I don't want to get into that situation again.

Rolling Stone: It had to be painful for you to put that music into that movie.

Tim Burton: It was . . . it was . . . it completely lost me. And it tainted something that I don't want to taint. Which is how you feel about an artist. And actually, I liked his album. I wish I could listen to it without the feel of what had happened.

[Edited 6/22/11 2:18am]

P.S. Tim Burton both your Batman movies SUCKED (with and without Prince music)! Thank God for Christopher Nolan

[Edited 6/23/11 19:23pm]

[Edited 6/22/11 2:18am]

P.S. Tim Burton both your Batman movies SUCKED (with and without Prince music)! Thank God for Christopher Nolan

[Edited 6/23/11 19:23pm]

Wrong.

leonche64 said:

[Edited 6/22/11 2:18am]

Wrong.

Wrong.

moderndaysaint said:

SoulAlive said:

http://www.timburtoncollective.com/articles/misc5.html

Rolling Stone: The other thing in the first Batman film that felt horribly intrusive was the Prince music. We're in this Tim Burton world, and all of a sudden, like him or not, in rides Prince.

Tim Burton: Yeah, it's true. It's the unholy alliance of me and . . .

Rolling Stone: Warner Bros. marketing, pure and simple?

Tim Burton: This is what happened. You learn something new every day. Now, here is a guy, Prince, who was one of my favorites. I had just gone to see two of his concerts in London, and I felt they were like the best concerts I'd ever seen. Okay. So. They're saying to me, these record guys, it needs this and that, and they give you this whole thing about it's an expensive movie so you need it. And what happens is, you get engaged in this world, and then there's no way out. There's too much money. There's this guy you respect and is good and has got this thing going. It got to a point where there was no turning back. And I don't want to get into that situation again.

Rolling Stone: It had to be painful for you to put that music into that movie.

Tim Burton: It was . . . it was . . . it completely lost me. And it tainted something that I don't want to taint. Which is how you feel about an artist. And actually, I liked his album. I wish I could listen to it without the feel of what had happened.

[Edited 6/22/11 2:18am]

P.S. Tim Burton both your Batman movies SUCKED (with and without Prince music)! Thank God for Christopher Nolan

I liked Tim Burtons 2 Batman movies, the second was actually the best of them all.

Don't attack Tim Burton's "art" only because he said something you disagree with, about Prince.

Btw. Jack Nicholson saved Batman 1, "The Joker" was fabulous!! Bloody fantastic.

the movie has dated. the music hasnt.

thedance said:

I liked Tim Burtons 2 Batman movies, the second was actually the best of them all.

Don't attack Tim Burton's "art" only because he said something you disagree with, about Prince.

Btw. Jack Nicholson saved Batman 1, "The Joker" was fabulous!! Bloody fantastic.

I think his Batman movies suck. It's got nothing to do with his comments about Prince. I thought the first one sucked when I saw it in 1989, way before he made any comments about Prince. Christopher Nolan can come out and call Prince an a-hole and I'll still think his Batman movies are great.

moderndaysaint said:

leonche64 said:

[Edited 6/22/11 2:18am]

Wrong.

Wrong.

One can not really jump forward 20 years and say that thing is not as good as this thing. It must be referenced in the time period and compared against it's contemporaries. What were comic book movies like during that time? Superman 4 was the standard. Previous Batman movies were Adam West. It was ground breaking storytelling and visually impressive. Whether Burton likes it or not, that soundtrack fit perfectly with the movie. Is it as gritty as the current franchise? Hell no, but then neither were the comics it was based on.

I think I cringed when I first heard this song. 22 years later, that hasn't changed.

eugny1 said:

I think I cringed when I first heard this song. 22 years later, that hasn't changed.

leonche64 said:

moderndaysaint said:

Wrong.

One can not really jump forward 20 years and say that thing is not as good as this thing. It must be referenced in the time period and compared against it's contemporaries. What were comic book movies like during that time? Superman 4 was the standard. Previous Batman movies were Adam West. It was ground breaking storytelling and visually impressive. Whether Burton likes it or not, that soundtrack fit perfectly with the movie. Is it as gritty as the current franchise? Hell no, but then neither were the comics it was based on.

I'm not really comparing the two at all. I'm judging them separately. For instance, I can say that True Grit w/ John Wayne in 1969 was a great movie and also say True Grit w/ Jeff Bridges in 2010 was a great movie (without making any comparison). Likewise I can say Batman 89 was a bad movie and Batman Begins was a great movie. The only thing I will say if I were to compare Burton and Nolan is that I don't think Tim Burton "got it" when it comes to Batman while Christopher Nolan totally "gets it."

moderndaysaint said:

leonche64 said:

One can not really jump forward 20 years and say that thing is not as good as this thing. It must be referenced in the time period and compared against it's contemporaries. What were comic book movies like during that time? Superman 4 was the standard. Previous Batman movies were Adam West. It was ground breaking storytelling and visually impressive. Whether Burton likes it or not, that soundtrack fit perfectly with the movie. Is it as gritty as the current franchise? Hell no, but then neither were the comics it was based on.

I'm not really comparing the two at all. I'm judging them separately. For instance, I can say that True Grit w/ John Wayne in 1969 was a great movie and also say True Grit w/ Jeff Bridges in 2010 was a great movie (without making any comparison). Likewise I can say Batman 89 was a bad movie and Batman Begins was a great movie. The only thing I will say if I were to compare Burton and Nolan is that I don't think Tim Burton "got it" when it comes to Batman while Christopher Nolan totally "gets it."

Well stated. Fair enough.

Can't believe this thread is still going.

eireboy34 said:

Can't believe this thread is still going.

Its on fire baby!!!!!

Harlepolis said:

The song would've been a HUGE hit had it been released in 81-82. These cheesy ballads(duets) were ALL the rage back in those two years.

moderndaysaint said:

thedance said:

I liked Tim Burtons 2 Batman movies, the second was actually the best of them all.

Don't attack Tim Burton's "art" only because he said something you disagree with, about Prince.

Btw. Jack Nicholson saved Batman 1, "The Joker" was fabulous!! Bloody fantastic.

I think his Batman movies suck. It's got nothing to do with his comments about Prince. I thought the first one sucked when I saw it in 1989, way before he made any comments about Prince. Christopher Nolan can come out and call Prince an a-hole and I'll still think his Batman movies are great.

Nolans Batman movies are more like James Bond films. I liked them well enough, but Burtons were better to look at. Nolan is all about the gadgets. Two Face was ore Burtonesque, which oddly threw the film for me since he had worked so hard to make it look plausible. Then you got a character with an eyeball rolling around in no socket with no lubrication...lol.

The worthy are thankful for Prince's owns perceptions offering a window into the perception of another, for opening the door to the great world of aesthete sensitivity wide open. The Arms of Orion's archetypal ideals of amourous yearning transport, transcend, elate; the artist once again shows us an inner feminine part of the male personality. The man has been alone in the dawn among fallen pillars and twisted railings, he has watched the world created anew many times over - no one else has seen this but him.

*Bows down*

Be very wary of passing judgement.

I love this song, in fact it's my favorite track off the Batman soundtrack. An underrated gem.

[Edited 6/26/11 19:52pm]

elmer said:

The worthy are thankful for Prince's owns perceptions offering a window into the perception of another, for opening the door to the great world of aesthete sensitivity wide open. The Arms of Orion's archetypal ideals of amourous yearning transport, transcend, elate; the artist once again shows us an inner feminine part of the male personality. The man has been alone in the dawn among fallen pillars and twisted railings, he has watched the world created anew many times over - no one else has seen this but him.

*Bows down*

Be very wary of passing judgement.

it's a cheesy, lazy ballad that in those days he could have knocked out in 10 mins!

robertgeorgeakabob said:

elmer said:

The worthy are thankful for Prince's owns perceptions offering a window into the perception of another, for opening the door to the great world of aesthete sensitivity wide open. The Arms of Orion's archetypal ideals of amourous yearning transport, transcend, elate; the artist once again shows us an inner feminine part of the male personality. The man has been alone in the dawn among fallen pillars and twisted railings, he has watched the world created anew many times over - no one else has seen this but him.

*Bows down*

Be very wary of passing judgement.

it's a cheesy, lazy ballad that in those days he could have knocked out in 10 mins!

I think there are a lot worse 'cheesy' ballads you could knock instead of The Arms Of Orion.. How about Slow Love, The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (pass the sick bucket), Diamond and Pearls, All The Midnights in the World, The Greatest Romance... They are really cheesy in my opinion.

At least Arms of Orion is somewhat imaginative.. I don't understand why people knock this one and not the others.

Prince has even said he writes these songs for the female market.. Hmm...

I like this song, but I have to be in the mood to listen to it.

pepper7 said:

robertgeorgeakabob said:

it's a cheesy, lazy ballad that in those days he could have knocked out in 10 mins!

I think there are a lot worse 'cheesy' ballads you could knock instead of The Arms Of Orion.. How about Slow Love, The Most Beautiful Girl in the World (pass the sick bucket), Diamond and Pearls, All The Midnights in the World, The Greatest Romance... They are really cheesy in my opinion.

At least Arms of Orion is somewhat imaginative.. I don't understand why people knock this one and not the others.

Prince has even said he writes these songs for the female market.. Hmm...

but the thread was about arms of orion! start another thread and i'll go to town on every one of those songs you mentioned too!!

i'm gonna play it now!! ,,the arms of orion THAT'S where i wanna beeeee!!!!

DoffieParker said:

i'm gonna play it now!! ,,the arms of orion THAT'S where i wanna beeeee!!!!

We'll leave you to it, Doffie!

ahhhh! that was lovely