HolyWine said:

HolyWine, i agree with you in respect to science and religion being both about finding a truth.
The reason i believe that science and religion should not be mixed is because it becomes about proving or disproving the existence of a god very quickly. It is well known in scientific research that everything you desperately want to proof, you can proof... until someone has the energy to do counter research to disprove it again. There are many examples of this all throughout ancient and recent history.
You might have heard about several cults/religions that believe that life was brought here from outer space. If you go to their websites you'll be able to find many links to research they themselves have done, or convenient quotes from scientific publications that aid them in their beliefs.

If science would ultimately lead us to definate proof that a god exists, then so be it, but in the mean time this should not be the purpose in itself of research that is done.

I gotta go to bed, LOL



http://content.nejm.org/c...EK_element


I just did... low and behold, no mention of adverse effects on interferons caused by blood transfusions on either site...
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS, DAMN, THIS HAS TO DO WITH COOKED OR UNCOOKED MEAT AND DEAD BLOOD FROM IT AND THE WAY YOUR BODY REACTS TO IT, GET BACK ON THE BOAT BUDDY... DID YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND INTERFERONS AND WHAT THEY DO IN THE BODY, FUGURE THAT OUT FIRST THEN MAYBE WE CAN TALK...Why did you have to f#%*? WITH ME TODAY, LOL



1. i don't think me following any religion is relevant at all ...
THEN WHY DID U BRING MINE UP, WHEN I POSTED I REMEMBER IT BEING ABOUT MEAT, U BROUGHT UP RELIGION!!! ARE U CAPPABALE OP HOLDING A GUNIWNE DICUSSION



what i'm pointing out here is that religion and sience are 2 seperate things and they should not be confused.
2. i mentioned the word "cult" only one time,...FOR SOME THAT'S ALL IT TAKES



and it was in my original posting, not the follow up where i basically mention that everybody should believe what they want to believe ... your comment uses the same method of deduction that i would use were i to respond to this with : from your comments it is very clear that you are a Jehova, and feel very insecure about it....I NEVER RECALLED SAYING I WAS ANYTHING!!! BUT I AM A BELIVER OF JESUS


if you don't want to debate issues, then don't go around pasting random bits of religious propaganda disguised as science on webboards...U CALL THE WAY U TALK A DEBATE, PLEASE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS DO BETTER DEBATING



NO MORE I REALLY GOTTA GO OK, MAYBE I'LL COME BABY SET YA' TOMORROW, LOL

RiccoTheArtist said:

I understood enough to see that is was adding exactly zero to the topic being raised. I don't want to make it personal, and i haven't in any comments i made.
Please don't turn this into a "who understands better what was pasted here" contest, as it will cause unnecessary embarrassment.

RiccoTheArtist said:

This topic started with some comments on Prince's religious beliefs. Enough relevant context to add some of my own views on religion i would say. So i did not bring it up. Shame that, again, you project my comments onto yourself. If you would actually read what i said you'd notice that at no time i said anything about *you*.

RiccoTheArtist said:

I'd advise you to lookup the word cult in a dictionary... no need to get upset about it.

RiccoTheArtist said:

I never said you were anything ... maybe you should re-read my comments and try to understand them better.

RiccoTheArtist said:

get some rest, goodnight

"Moms' Vegan Diet Causes Brain Damage in Children
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have reported that in at least two cases, babies have been brain damaged after being breast-fed by mothers who were on a vegan diet.
The vegan diet, which excludes even milk and egg products, caused the nursing infants to have a lack in the vitamin B12. B12 is essential for brain development.
Although many children recover from B12 deficiencies, the symptoms are difficult to recognize and treat. Doctors say that while they recommend vegetarian mothers do breast feed, they should be careful that they are receiving all necessary vitamins."

This was taken from Yahoo a couple weeks ago. Why doesn't Prince sing "dont u know vegan diets cause brain damage..."

Health wise there seems to be pros and cons either way. I don't really think anyone can prove 100% that we are never meant to eat meat, its seems to be more of a personal commitment/decision.

ian said:

I'm with you, Ian

Tom said:

Oh no, 2 cases out of how many...thousands and thousands probably.

m3taverse THANK U, PEACE my friend...

DrEverythingWillBeAlright said:

A bit famatical, don't you think?

Supernova said:

famatical

Recently in Western Canada a JW girl refused a blood transfusion event though she was dying; it went to court and ultimately the girl won, the life-saving blood transfusion was refused and now she is dead. Because, apparently, it's dead blood and it kills interferons.

True story.

"Xenophobia" is the COOLEST track on that live box, yet has the two BIGGEST wack moments of the entire set: the dead blood insanity, and intentionally setting up that poor audience member only to embarass her for not wanting to be a "follower".How come Prince has to do something goofy every album?

RiccoTheArtist said:

Pseudo-sci-fi spew to try and convince people that there's some kind of weight to the superstitious cult creed of not allowing blood transfusions to JWs (and their kids) who might need them in a life-or-death situation. Fuckin' mental slavery, IMHO.

Shorty said:

Yeah!

m3taverse said:

Most if not all religious rituals and observances are nothing but collective expressions of madness (think about it) - be they dangerous or not. If you are an adult and you want to make such decisions about YOUR life/health based on whatever primitive, tribal, superstitious, insane nonsense then you should be able to. But when it comes to making decisions for children... when it comes down to saving their life... "freedom of religion" abused in such a way can kiss my ass!

DrEverythingWillBeAlright said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
I'm laughing so hard right now

RiccoTheArtist said:

Uh... are you... OK, there?
[This message was edited Tue Feb 11 20:40:25 PST 2003 by DrEverythingWillBeAlright]

i'm fairly certain it's a vegetarian reference..particularly in the context of silicon...

true enough Jehovah witnesses do not believe in blood transfusions..but again..in the first context where prince uses the line it seems to be in reference to not eating meat...

Tom said:

I believe we evolved out of chimpanzees whose habitat suffered a million + year draught. These chimps didn't have the trees to swing
around and eat leaves, etc. anymore so they became land-walking hunters of small animals and birds which would supplement their
diet of whatever vegetation they could consume.

DrEverythingWillBeAlright said:

m3taverse said:
what in essence is a cult like religion induced believe

RiccoTheArtist said:
IF IT MEANS CLEANING UP MY BODY TO LIVE A MORE BEAUTIFUL FULL LIFE I'LL BE THAT!

and last time people I said "eating meat not transfusions"
LEAVE JW'S ALONE...

and by the way I'm fine, THANKS RIO

RiccoTheArtist said:

cool..glad you're doin' fine..hadn't seen you around these parts in awhile...

Shorty said we should respect Prince's beliefs like he or everybody should respect one anothers. True, but the fact is JWs only have respect for their own religious beliefs.

Noone else's. They do believe in eating meat, but Prince doesn't. But, he does eat cheese and eggs.

JWs donot believe in organ transplants.

For the people that think it is ok that Prince is a JW and nothing will change, this isnot true. They have already advised him not to have Friday nite parties anymore.
and only God knows what they will do next.

I pray that Prince will never need a blood transfusion to save his life.

If they influence him not to have a celebration and interact with the fans,(and don't think this couldn't happen), I think we should gather at the K H across from PP when Prince is in there and chant, We want the funk, We want the funk, but than he could always go to Toronto..

lovebird said:

Please say it ain't so

calldapplwondery83 said:

Like the mad cow thing... Dead blood killed interferons and still does so...

Leave that blood alone and dead blood etc... are related to Silicon... Also someone made a comment on how this blodd line in the context of Xenophobia hints at the fact that in America (and eslewhere) it said that immigrants bring diseases with them.. I summed it up but if someone can find this piece or if it's author could show up...

Whatever Prince says is open to many interpretations... And nothing has proved he is JW (Didn't he dresse like santa claus?)

lovebird said:

that is a sweeping statement,if I ever did see one! so you mean to tell me that every single JW out there only has respect for other JW's? So you've spoken to every single JW?!?!? in the world?!?! Wow! that's amazing!



I always heard he was vegan...doesn't that mean no dairy no eggs no nuttin'?



You KNOW this? give us something to go on...

Yes, Shorty...vegans do not consume or partake is using anything that is, or comes out of an animal. No no dairy, eggs, no cheese, etc.

If the Friday Night Parties are no more...so sad. Something as innocent as that? If there is any truth to this, then I foresee a lot more editing of what he can and cannot do.

Let's all hope for the best. There are a lot of rumors going around the org, mostly because Prince has kept himself out of sight.

Everything still remains to be seen. I'm going to get concerned if nothing happens this Friday regarding the club.

We will see.

Shorty said:

Exactly, I am 31 years old and when I was 1 1/2 I had to have open heart surgery. I was told at the time something happened and I needed to have a continuous supply of blood coming to me for about 1 hour so they could save me. If it wasn't for the fact that blood transfusions work I wouldn't be here today. They save lifes when it is needed and I donate blood when ever possible to return the favor given to me.

fairlite said:

Glad you're here with us fairlite I guess we're off topic now cause the song is about eating meat not transfusions and such but...I'm with you on the subject, of transfusions and transplants...My Dad has had 2 kidney transplants, so..it's hard to be against something that has greatly enhanced his life and mine

RiccoTheArtist said:

thanx for bringing some sense to this thread...geesh

klaatu said:


What do you mean "related" ... you mean prince is refering to his own song on TRC? Which would mean not making any statement on an album which is mainly about stating his new found wisdom. ("Prince's most controversial album" said the sticker on my copy of that cd)

Do a google on the words "blood jehova" ... you'll find a wealth of information that you can directly relate to both lyrics from Silicone, TRC, and stuff P yells out during the ONA tour.



Whatever anyone says is open to as many interpretations as there are listeners, i agree ... but to state that nothing has proved P is Jehova to me seems strange. He tells us specifically which version/translation of the bible to read (The New Translation), he refers to specific passages in the bible (ones that are specifically singled out in many Jehovah writings) and in general preaches their doctrine (theocratic order etc.) ... the only thing he hasn't done is to come out and say, hey, i'm a Jehovah now.
If you're able to, listen to ONA Buffalo for one of his more elaborate cermons to get more insights. Also ONA NYC may offer a little more clarity, when at the beginning of Family Name, he asks some members of the audience for their family name. 2 of the people he asks tell him their last name is "Jehooovaaahh", and he says something like... that's a beautiful name, let's leave that one alone.
Also a quote which you've no doubt heard from the ONA show ... God does have a name, study the scriptures and find out.
Now, having listened to all of these, spend 10 minutes looking over Watchtower material or some general Jehovah info site (there's lots), and then come back here and tell me there's no proof Prince is Jehovah.