802 said:

He really died, imo, after the slave era.

4 Me too

I come to realize when your awesome at something everyone forgets your human

i hope one day people forget im human

formallypickles said:

I come to realize when your awesome at something everyone forgets your human

i hope one day people forget im human

no you don't, it's not fun, you can't possibly continue to fulfill expectations like that, I've been through that, when you need a break, they turn on you with a vengeance.

mozfonky said:

formallypickles said:

I come to realize when your awesome at something everyone forgets your human

i hope one day people forget im human

no you don't, it's not fun, you can't possibly continue to fulfill expectations like that, I've been through that, when you need a break, they turn on you with a vengeance.

You're exactly right! Everyone on here who talks about how great it was in the first 15 years of Prince career seems to gloss over the fact that he was a control freak, an asshole to people around him and abandoned projects on a whim. All the same things they have a problem with now except they're not digging the music. Prince hasn't changed very much. He still writes music that garners nominations and wins awards and can still pack arenas for the live shows. Oh wait he did stop cursing and embrace religion. How dare he?

mozfonky said:

formallypickles said:

I come to realize when your awesome at something everyone forgets your human

i hope one day people forget im human

no you don't, it's not fun, you can't possibly continue to fulfill expectations like that, I've been through that, when you need a break, they turn on you with a vengeance.

i guess the grass is greener but it sure beats people thinking your some loser

HonestMan13 said:

mozfonky said:

no you don't, it's not fun, you can't possibly continue to fulfill expectations like that, I've been through that, when you need a break, they turn on you with a vengeance.

You're exactly right! Everyone on here who talks about how great it was in the first 15 years of Prince career seems to gloss over the fact that he was a control freak, an asshole to people around him and abandoned projects on a whim. All the same things they have a problem with now except they're not digging the music. Prince hasn't changed very much. He still writes music that garners nominations and wins awards and can still pack arenas for the live shows. Oh wait he did stop cursing and embrace religion. How dare he?

So your saying prince is a religous asshole?

But yeah He hasnt lost "It" I think most of these have Fans have grown out of Prince and dont realize it cuase they love the man that much

but not gonna say prince music hasnt changed because he's evloved over the years also.

however has he lost his talent ??...na still kicking

formallypickles said:

mozfonky said:

no you don't, it's not fun, you can't possibly continue to fulfill expectations like that, I've been through that, when you need a break, they turn on you with a vengeance.

i guess the grass is greener but it sure beats people thinking your some loser

what's the difference? you can burn yourself out to eternity trying to make everyone happy or you can be a loser and not have anyone ever expect anything of you or you can burn yourself out and have them call you a loser, seems like piss poor options. At the end of the day, the wise, experienced, worldly people I know don't care what people think.

funkyhead said:

lol, did someone actually say that the fans can't keep up!!!. Sure we can't keep up with lame CD after lame CD where the sense of pride and adventure died a long time ago, we can't keep up with the fact that his gigs are now nothing more than money grabbing excercises, can't keep up with the fact that he doesn't give a damn about his legacy, can't keep up with the fact that he is slowly but surely killing his live rep leagcy by announcing gigs with a few days notice and then has to virtually give away tickets to get butts on seats, can't keep up with the fact that he treats people like shit and above all else can't keep up with the fact that he's 53 clearly has made his millions and has wasted a God given talent pissing around in the studio and achieving fuck all.

In case you wonder why I stick around, well it's more in hope that this creatively dead MF comes back as a bad assed, funked up, rocked out Zombie and reclaims his throne!.

Sorry you're hero let u down lol! You sound like a cult member who suddenly realized that their leader has feet of clay like every other human. The anger you have is because you seek some idolized perfection from Prince that is not possible. Not only that but you seem to feel that he has done everything wrong. I don't understand that sort of harsh judgment thrown on another person's life.

You don't know Prince's motivations, his desires, his reasons yet you seem so sure he's doing it all for the worst of reasons. Maybe you should concentrate on giving your god given talent to the world instead of pissing on Prince's achievements.

Sometimes you need to take a step back and appreciate what you have instead of fantasing what could be if life was a movie you could control. Nothing is worse than an ex-lover that turns on the supposed object of love with a vengeness. That's a terrible sickness that we see much to often in the world. In other worlds you need to chill with the hate.

formallypickles said:

HonestMan13 said:

You're exactly right! Everyone on here who talks about how great it was in the first 15 years of Prince career seems to gloss over the fact that he was a control freak, an asshole to people around him and abandoned projects on a whim. All the same things they have a problem with now except they're not digging the music. Prince hasn't changed very much. He still writes music that garners nominations and wins awards and can still pack arenas for the live shows. Oh wait he did stop cursing and embrace religion. How dare he?

So your saying prince is a religous asshole?

But yeah He hasnt lost "It" I think most of these have Fans have grown out of Prince and dont realize it cuase they love the man that much

but not gonna say prince music hasnt changed because he's evloved over the years also.

however has he lost his talent ??...na still kicking

Separation anxiety,

I swear, some folk act almost suicidal when Princey goes off in some direction and they ain't feelin' it. Kinda tickles me.

I'm cool with the musical changes over the years and I don't really miss anything from back in the day...he did look real cute with the beard and long hair though.

My wife and I threw a Prince Fam / Fan Party this past Saturday and we had a few new friends come to our party. My man Keith is a guitarist / musician (now I can take some lessons) and he was sayin' how Prince's originality as an artist is not there anymore, that he's heard him recycle his solo work. We were watchin' some of the W2A performance shows in NY, NC, LA and SC. I was sittin' there scratchin' my head after he said that I was actually sayin' the opposite. That all P's solo guitar work never sounds the same on an album or live. I was tryin' to think back on it and say if I've heard him do the same things with the music. He also was sayin' how the music and lyrical content is not new or inspired, right, inspired is what he was sayin'. Not to put my man on BLAST but, I don't care about all that. I just appreciate my man is still making music and new albums. I don't care that he's JW and I don't care that that would stop him from singin' 'Darlin' Nikki' or 'Head'. I can put on the old concert footage and videos and see on my friends pages on Facebook the video of this or that that P doesnt' sing anymore.

It's time to turn that page. Your either gonna still be a fan / enthusiast / admirer or your not. If so, move to Van Hunt or Ben Harper ... Whateva yo ...

I like the man just the way he is. Mutual appreciation is that:

• I don't look or act like I did in the 80/90s,

• I can't dance all night cuz I have to have some down time,

• I change my looks and hair style as much as he did/does,

• I aged well as did he,

• I'm still sassy & speak/act my own mind,

• I dance to my own beats; and

don't givev a damn if anyone else likes it or not...if they don't, they can just KISS>>>>>>>

Thanks, Prince...Keep doing U.

trn22 said:

I'm not. You can't expect a man that is 53 years old to do the same thing he did when he was 23, 24, 25 or 26.

It's great that he can still get down and around for his age. (Which I hope to do if I reach his age). All we can do is appreciate that he is still willing to perform and release music. He could just stop, then people would complaint. He will never win when it comes to fans, people always expect too much from him, when he is human like the rest of us. It's like you said, he has nothing left to prove. At least he's still a great performer than most people half his age, plus he has age gracefully, he is still in shape, and still has pep in his step. So, I say that right there is a accomplishment in it's own right. The change can be due to like you said his age, religion, and the fact that it would be silly for a 53 year old man to be doing that type of stuff on stage, that he did in his 20s or even 30s. People would probably think to themselves that he hasn't change at all, or it would probably just look plain stupid.

Let's just appreciate him and all he has contribute to music and if you want old Prince, well there is lots of old footage to check out, for that nostalgic feeling. If you don't want to be stuck in past, and just accept things the way they are now, then you will be ok with how things are from a logical standpoint.

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but yet there are fans that still want him 2 constantly do the songs he made when he was 23-26 years of age

HonestMan13 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Being "excited" about something is hella different than just merely "copping" it. Just because someone downloads his new album doesn't mean there's any excitement in listening to it. I'm not excited AT ALL about his recorded releases (unless they're going to be remasters) or even his current live shows, to be honest. But, I'll still eventually check it out when I get the chance, if anything just to hear what it sounds like.

A lot of people are STILL on this site only to talk mainly about all of the funky, wonderful thiings Prince did for the first 15-16 years (and even shorter, for some of us) of his career. And there's a helluva lot of stuff from that period to discuss, from the stories, personnel involved, the live shows, outtakes/bootlegs, musicianship, etc...

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Since pretty much of his work after Warners is out of print or extremely hard to find it stands to reason most of us bought them when they were released. If the ones saying they're done had bought maybe the 2 CD's after they lost interest then I could understand it. 15 years later is not being over anything. If you've supported an artist who you don't care for anymore for 15 years then guess what? You still care for them!

i feel u hit it on the head about that majority of his music past the WB years are out of print hence that really effects the live shows a lot. i like his studio albums past WB except planet crap and 20 whatever but if his albums were still in print, it could totally change dynamics i think

No one is the same they were 20 years ago. Prince is more refined--not a bad thing.

At each W2A/21NiteStand concert there were packed venues filled with folks who love him for his music of the past and were definately grooving with the new songs he played. Everyone was screaming and dancing all night; I find it hard to believe that has changed over the 30+ years

I agree with the OP on that note....Isn't that what its all about?

Geniuses lose their genius after their 30s, geniuses r precocious, Prince was a boy genius.

He sucked after he left WB, that was his worst decision in his life. WB helped him, guided him or something like that. Emacipation sucked, and following albums sucked more and more.

His last great album was the Gold Experience. His people around him today probably fear him and won't tell him he sucks today, i went to 3 Musicology tour concerts in 2004 he was still good live, saw the first 3 Welcome 2 America concerts, these concerts sucked compared to 2004, in 2004 he played Purple Rain perfectly u could still see his excellent ability, now he changes songs and makes them suck, dude just play them as they sound in the albums. I saw a recent performance of Bambi in europe, he sucks, where the fuck did the high pitched guitar go? In 2004 he did Bambi live he did it perfectly. His clothes also suck (silky pjs strechy flared pants, the shoes seem more feminine than in the 80s) today and he's wearing too much fucking makeup like he's kim kardashian. His clothes for Musicology Tour and One Nite Alone tour were nice and he didn't wear excessive makeup.

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paul mccartney, stevie wonder, elton john, billy joel and prince had a zone where they could do no wrong. Prince's period was from 1979 to 1988. After that he had some moments from 1991 to 96. the rainbow children was his last organic sounding album. Lotus flower was hit and miss. The minnneapolis sound which he orginated came from his lengendary 82 to 84 era where he could do no wrong. between the unreleased material to the other artist's albums with the time and vanity 6

Well, the Prince that I used to know died beginning in 1985 with the major style change beginning with "Around The World In A Day" so any changes since then, I have just considered them as him just changing even more.

1979 to 1995 was awesome. Lovesexy album kinda sucked, compared to SOTT, Batman was better than lovesexy, Graffitti Bridge was better than Lovesexy, but worse than batman. 1991 to 1995 was total GENIUS, his music was his best ever, more soul, r&b, gospel, blues, jazz, even oriental(arab), all the albums (Diamonds and pearls, o(+>, Goldnigga, the single peach and pink cashmere, Come, Exodus, The Gold Experience, Purple Medley) and tours were awesome his band was awesome the real NPG, with Tommy Barbarella, Michael Blend, Sonny T, Levi and Rosie Gaines. 1993 was fucking great tour probably his best era. 1994-95 was awesome he looked like dr spock and Namor and kinda chinese, he even had a haircut that made his ears seem spiky and weird eyebrows like dr spock his clothes were nice, Ultimate live experience was awesome tour.

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tricky99 said:

funkyhead said:

lol, did someone actually say that the fans can't keep up!!!. Sure we can't keep up with lame CD after lame CD where the sense of pride and adventure died a long time ago, we can't keep up with the fact that his gigs are now nothing more than money grabbing excercises, can't keep up with the fact that he doesn't give a damn about his legacy, can't keep up with the fact that he is slowly but surely killing his live rep leagcy by announcing gigs with a few days notice and then has to virtually give away tickets to get butts on seats, can't keep up with the fact that he treats people like shit and above all else can't keep up with the fact that he's 53 clearly has made his millions and has wasted a God given talent pissing around in the studio and achieving fuck all.

In case you wonder why I stick around, well it's more in hope that this creatively dead MF comes back as a bad assed, funked up, rocked out Zombie and reclaims his throne!.

Sorry you're hero let u down lol! You sound like a cult member who suddenly realized that their leader has feet of clay like every other human. The anger you have is because you seek some idolized perfection from Prince that is not possible. Not only that but you seem to feel that he has done everything wrong. I don't understand that sort of harsh judgment thrown on another person's life.

You don't know Prince's motivations, his desires, his reasons yet you seem so sure he's doing it all for the worst of reasons. Maybe you should concentrate on giving your god given talent to the world instead of pissing on Prince's achievements.

Sometimes you need to take a step back and appreciate what you have instead of fantasing what could be if life was a movie you could control. Nothing is worse than an ex-lover that turns on the supposed object of love with a vengeness. That's a terrible sickness that we see much to often in the world. In other worlds you need to chill with the hate.

Well said

Gonzalo1979 said:

1979 to 1995 was awesome. Lovesexy album kinda sucked, compared to SOTT, Batman was better than lovesexy, Graffitti Bridge was better than Lovesexy, but worse than batman. 1991 to 1995 was total GENIUS, his music was his best ever, more soul, r&b, gospel, blues, jazz, even oriental(arab), all the albums (Diamonds and pearls, o(+>, Goldnigga, the single peach and pink cashmere, Come, Exodus, The Gold Experience, Purple Medley) and tours were awesome his band was awesome the real NPG, with Tommy Barbarella, Michael Blend, Sonny T, Levi and Rosie Gaines. 1993 was fucking great tour probably his best era. 1994-95 was awesome he looked like dr spock and Namor and kinda chinese, he even had a haircut that made his ears seem spiky and weird eyebrows like dr spock his clothes were nice, Ultimate live experience was awesome tour.

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thanks for all those facts about his career - at least we all now know what to think