errant said:

KenniHeartz211 said:

I agree 100%. While I miss fun, edgy, carefree Prince, I can't think anything other than that it was a good choice if being a JW makes him happy and fulfilled. And while 20Ten isn't the most exciting album Prince has ever released, I like some of the more mellow songs ... there has been a lot of 'mellow' lately

being happy and fulfilled doesn't lend itself to great art.

LoL touché. Ok, I'll rephase: The decision to become a JW was a good choice for Prince, the individual - but it remains to be seen how good of a decision it was for Prince, the artist.

2elijah said:

vitriol said:

Prince had met Larry in a studio when he was recording his first or second album, but then they met again in 97 or 98 in Nashville and since Prince was not in good animic shape (he'd just lost his son, his parents...) Larry saw the opportunity of his life to get such a celebrity recruited into his 'faith'.

That's a fact, not what I 'believe or think'.

Finally, I wipe my arsehole with karma.

Well, I also heard it was his mother that wanted him to become a JW, so all the stories of how he chose to embrace the JW faith are conflicting. So it makes no sense to hold hatred toward anyone you "assumed" led him to become a JW. It's no secret Prince has always incorporated God/religion into his music long before he joined the JW faith. It's also not your personal decision, mine or anyone else's to choose another's faith. You're entitled to an opinion of it, but you can't choose it for them, because you don't walk in anyone else's shoes but your own, and live your own life experience(s).

Oh, by the way, you may need extra tissue to wipe that karma from your asshole.

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I have also seen posts claiming Mattie made Prince promise to join JW. However Prince was raised Seventh Day Adventist, so did his mom convert to JW? No way would a SDA want a family member to convert to JW.

Cinnamon234 said:

luv4u said:

That was his personal choice.

You got to respect that.

Agreed. I don't even think this is something that should be up for debate if you ask me.

Religion/spirituality are deeply personal things. You can't say Prince being a JW is wrong. Thats his choice and I think we should all respect that whether you agree or not.

His life, his choice.

This is a good debate since Prince has used his spirituality in his music. I love Still Would Stand All Time, The Cross, and Anna Stesia. I love the spiritual thoughtful-""political"" Prince so much1!

of course not but that's what he wanted to do at the time. i dont see any evidence of him being one these days though.

Timmy84 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Yep, that's right. I think Ja Rule was raised around the truth and went to meetings but never made the truth his own and went off and did his own thing. But yeah, he is not a JW. And Terrence Howard, I think his ex-wife is a JW and I think even his kids but like you said, he said he didn't want to make changes - he doesn't have anything against JW's but he said it's his own self (I know a few people like that even in my family).

Thanks for the correction...

You're welcome. I just happened to have read the article interview about Ja Rule some years ago and saw a Terrence Howard interview somewhere in which he said that.

I believe it has had little to no influence on the music itself, or his attitude in general, just the lyrics. And no, they don't bother me any more than when he talked about Jesus or The Cross or God or when he shivered about being "so cold"

I think Prince was actually more uptight in the 80's & 90's

NDRU said:

I think Prince was actually more uptight in the 80's & 90's

Yep and especially in the '90s OMG... lol

Can't answer that question; because it doesn't concern me.

Although, if he found happiness in his religion, that would be kewl.

yes it was a great idea.. now i always peek out the peephole when the Jehovah's Witnesses roll thru.. I look to see if Prince is with them before I let out my two pit bulls...

I cannot support such primitive ideology in a modern world.

funkyrake said:

2elijah said:

Well, I also heard it was his mother that wanted him to become a JW, so all the stories of how he chose to embrace the JW faith are conflicting. So it makes no sense to hold hatred toward anyone you "assumed" led him to become a JW. It's no secret Prince has always incorporated God/religion into his music long before he joined the JW faith. It's also not your personal decision, mine or anyone else's to choose another's faith. You're entitled to an opinion of it, but you can't choose it for them, because you don't walk in anyone else's shoes but your own, and live your own life experience(s).

Oh, by the way, you may need extra tissue to wipe that karma from your asshole.

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I have also seen posts claiming Mattie made Prince promise to join JW. However Prince was raised Seventh Day Adventist, so did his mom convert to JW? No way would a SDA want a family member to convert to JW.

From what I've heard/been told, his mother was a JW until her passing.

Apparantly it was what he needed.

So yes.

u can't "choose" to be a Johova Witness .. ur just re-born that way

Tremolina said:

Apparantly it was what he needed.

So yes.

A shotgun through the roof of your mouth can cure a migrane, it doesn't mean you should pull the trigger.

I would never judge anyone when it comes to religion and faith. He has obviously connected with the JW faith, and he is finding peace of mind and heart with them. Happy that he has found a place for that.

However, as an artist, I DO think it's hindering his creativity. Now he has to put limits on his art, at least lyrically, and that can only hurt the outcome. I am personally glad he doesn't sing about graphic fucking anymore, since at his age, it would come across as plain silly and immature. But for instance a song like The Cross, which imo is BRILLIANT, and sounded like it came from his heart...now all of a sudden, he needs to change the lyrics, and thus diminishing its initial impact, soley to conform to his religion. That is not a good thing imo.

Poplife88 said:

I would never judge anyone when it comes to religion and faith. He has obviously connected with the JW faith, and he is finding peace of mind and heart with them. Happy that he has found a place for that.

However, as an artist, I DO think it's hindering his creativity. Now he has to put limits on his art, at least lyrically, and that can only hurt the outcome. I am personally glad he doesn't sing about graphic fucking anymore, since at his age, it would come across as plain silly and immature. But for instance a song like The Cross, which imo is BRILLIANT, and sounded like it came from his heart...now all of a sudden, he needs to change the lyrics, and thus diminishing its initial impact, soley to conform to his religion. That is not a good thing imo.

How do you know that Prince has peace of mind and heart?

ConsciousContact said:

Poplife88 said:

I would never judge anyone when it comes to religion and faith. He has obviously connected with the JW faith, and he is finding peace of mind and heart with them. Happy that he has found a place for that.

However, as an artist, I DO think it's hindering his creativity. Now he has to put limits on his art, at least lyrically, and that can only hurt the outcome. I am personally glad he doesn't sing about graphic fucking anymore, since at his age, it would come across as plain silly and immature. But for instance a song like The Cross, which imo is BRILLIANT, and sounded like it came from his heart...now all of a sudden, he needs to change the lyrics, and thus diminishing its initial impact, soley to conform to his religion. That is not a good thing imo.

How do you know that Prince has peace of mind and heart?

As far as I know he is still a JW...I would think that would be a major reason he is still worshipping with them. But you are right...I don't know...I am just assuming.

It's not a good choice for ANYONE to become a Jehovah's Witness. If you look at their mindset they are basically a cult, no matter how much they may deny it. They tell a good story at the begining, but once you are in, things change drastically. They have some good ideas, but most of their faith is based on changing (flip- flopping) doctrines. They hide this as much as they can.

I think Prince liked their message initially, but it took a while to figure out what they are really about. He may still hold on to some of their ideologies, but I think he is slowly moving away from some of their stricter doctrine.

Being a Jehovah's Witness is a real mind fuck. Even when you leave, their doctrines and ideas tend to mess with your mind. Even if Prince ever leaves them completely, he will always carry around their beliefs; for better of worse.

davetherave6767 said:

Sexy MF/Head/Sister/Lets Pretend Were Married/Soft & Wet/Do Me Baby/Private Joy/Jack U Off/D.M.S.R./Temptation/Come/Mad Sex/P-Control/319/.........When he became a jehovahs witness Prince lost that sexy naughty edge eye personally liked all the swearing & songs about sex sex & more sex but hes made his bed & now he must ly on it if that means we end up with 20ten then so b it!!Not much we can do about it!!!Eye just hope Prince is happy with Jehovah & Jehovah happy with Prince & thru Jehovah Princes next album rocks & we all love it!!!

I think a big part of not using profanities during live concerts is more to do with the fact that his fan's are brining their children to his concerts and he's also getting to an age where he can't really get away with singing those kinds of things without looking foolish

TheScouser said:

davetherave6767 said:

Sexy MF/Head/Sister/Lets Pretend Were Married/Soft & Wet/Do Me Baby/Private Joy/Jack U Off/D.M.S.R./Temptation/Come/Mad Sex/P-Control/319/.........When he became a jehovahs witness Prince lost that sexy naughty edge eye personally liked all the swearing & songs about sex sex & more sex but hes made his bed & now he must ly on it if that means we end up with 20ten then so b it!!Not much we can do about it!!!Eye just hope Prince is happy with Jehovah & Jehovah happy with Prince & thru Jehovah Princes next album rocks & we all love it!!!

I think a big part of not using profanities during live concerts is more to do with the fact that his fan's are brining their children to his concerts and he's also getting to an age where he can't really get away with singing those kinds of things without looking foolish

Eye no Prince wants kids there 2 no what real music is but no!!!!!eye dont want 2b sat next 2 a an 11 year old!!!!!Eye want 2b sat next 2 nutty Prince fans going mad singing "u sexy mother fucker"& "ur such a hunk so full of spunk"O dear davetherave!!!whats happened mate??????

NouveauDance said:

Tremolina said:

Apparantly it was what he needed.

So yes.

A shotgun through the roof of your mouth can cure a migrane, it doesn't mean you should pull the trigger.

I don´t see the comparison.

Anyone getting into any religion is a bad choice that erodes and freedom of choice and expression.

ChyChy143 said:

Becuase If He Dates People They Would Only Be Touching. So Its Basically Being Friends Since He Cant Have Sex. But What Do You Think?

:hugefacepalm:

From an outsiders perspective... No... I don't think it was a good idea. Religions, particularly literalist theist religions like the JW doctine, are out-of-date belief systems. Science and open inquiry has revealed more truth to us than any religion ever has.

But who knows. It's not really up to me. Maybe he's the kind of person who needs that 'delusion of stability' in his life. If it makes him more at peace with himself and he's not harming anyone in the process, then I have no right to say he shouldn't believe it I guess. Good luck to him. My only beef comes when he tries to promote is as 'truth'...

I don't think i'ts been a bad choice ... assuming none of us know Prince intimately and have face-to-face discussions with him ... how do we know the inner workings of his mind and heart? Perhaps your perceived change in his music - it would have occurred no matter what religion he did or did not choose? His music may be evolving in a particular direction because he is changing, maturing, growing as a man - not because he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

No, worst choice ever and that's why I can't stand Larry Graham, fuck him for messing with Prince's beautiful mind.

Religion is never a good choice.

armpit said:

ChyChy143 said:

Becuase If He Dates People They Would Only Be Touching. So Its Basically Being Friends Since He Cant Have Sex. But What Do You Think?

I think it's a good decision for Prince to practice whatever religion his heart and mind leads him to.

Amen!!