olb99 said:

BTW, what was the last outtake we got before those two?

I'm not sure, but maybe the Poet 99 tracks/early Gold-era mixes? When was that, 5 or 6 years ago?

TwiliteKid said:

olb99 said:

BTW, what was the last outtake we got before those two?

I'm not sure, but maybe the Poet 99 tracks/early Gold-era mixes? When was that, 5 or 6 years ago?

"Outtakes 1993-1994"

http://main.thedigitalgar...-1994.html

-> 2004

After that, we got the "I'll Do Anything" "extra" tracks in 2007 ("30 Years of Unreleased Funk" series). Didn't we get the rest of the "Gangster Glam" remixes at the same time? Can't remember when I first heard them.

Also: the "I Wonder U" alternate versions, Versace tracks, Tamar album, etc. (2007 or 2008?). But they don't really count, right?

udo said:

madison said:

prince 4 lust lyrics ???

They were in the deleted thread.

Lyrics (help finish it)


----------------------------



Jill whisper

For lust


Jill

For lust I would call you

Correction, I would beg you

To come over just to sleep with me



For lust I would caress

the pillows in my bed

dreamin' a raw fantasy


Prince

For lust I would undress

Outside your bedroom window

in hopes that you would notice me



For lust I would find a (?)

(???????)

just to make you crave me



Chorus

You could climb upon me

Tie me up and scold me

Spin me round until I fall



Whatever makes you happy

I would do it gladly

For lust I would do it all

I would do it all



Shooo-do-doooo

Shooo-do-doooo



Prince whisper

(For lust)



Prince

For lust I would strip you

in my Thunderbird

And I'd play with things you

thought you never had (is that a fact)



For lust I would pin you

against a cherry tree

I 'd do your body something rad



Jill

For lust I would lay

atop a grand piano

and let you see what you could see



And if you play the music (if I play the music)

I know how to use it

and do a funky dance called the strip tease



Chorus

You could climb upon me

Tie me up and scold me

Spin me round until I fall



Whatever makes you happy

I would do it gladly

For lust I would do it all

I would do it all

Baby


Spoken by Jill

Shhhh,

No more words

Put your body where your (my?) mouth is

[Edited 4/29/11 8:10am]

Its a masterpiece! Prince's voice is raw & bare & soulful just like like it. Jill sounds good also. There voices blend well 2gether n harmony.....

This song is simple and unique and sexy. A great example to me of why his 80s work will always be a cut above the rest.

olb99 said:

TwiliteKid said:

I'm not sure, but maybe the Poet 99 tracks/early Gold-era mixes? When was that, 5 or 6 years ago?

"Outtakes 1993-1994"

http://main.thedigitalgar...-1994.html

-> 2004

After that, we got the "I'll Do Anything" "extra" tracks in 2007 ("30 Years of Unreleased Funk" series). Didn't we get the rest of the "Gangster Glam" remixes at the same time? Can't remember when I first heard them.

Also: the "I Wonder U" alternate versions, Versace tracks, Tamar album, etc. (2007 or 2008?). But they don't really count, right?

Is there more than one alternate version of I Wonder U? Cuz the one I've had has been around forever.

Spinlight said:

olb99 said:

"Outtakes 1993-1994"

http://main.thedigitalgar...-1994.html

-> 2004

After that, we got the "I'll Do Anything" "extra" tracks in 2007 ("30 Years of Unreleased Funk" series). Didn't we get the rest of the "Gangster Glam" remixes at the same time? Can't remember when I first heard them.

Also: the "I Wonder U" alternate versions, Versace tracks, Tamar album, etc. (2007 or 2008?). But they don't really count, right?

Is there more than one alternate version of I Wonder U? Cuz the one I've had has been around forever.

I was thinking about the two excerpts from the Clare Fisher "conference".

^A few years ago two more unreleased versions of I Wonder U were shared.

They came from a kind of conference/masterclass by Clare Fischer and his song.

The tracklist and notes is as follows:

1-Version 1: This is the bare bones Revolution version

2-Version 2: Features the first layer of woodwind elements added by Fischer

3-Version 3: A full orchestra is added by Fischer that overwhelms the song

4-Final Version: Prince cuts away most of the orchestration, cuts his own vocals down, adds funk guitar, sound effects and keyboard elements

5-Clare Fischer and son talk: A brief relevant excerpt of their discussion with a class

Released by Digital Pirate.

This new outtake is a good example of a general difference between songwriting of Prince now versus then...

back then he used a very unique "Prince" brand arrangements: Completely simple, with every voice up to ten, almost like making a song out of kids building blocks with a flat loud beat. Then he would frost it with effects like flange or in this case just reverb, often triggered in complex ways. But... the song itself, the composition, if you were to play it on piano, is quite unremarkable.

Nowadays, many times, he's flipped the equation... the song core is better now. I think he's better at crafting the melodies, structure, and verious musical styles. But... he's not using that exact same old "Prince" style of stiff bizarre kid's building block layers to the mix.

I think a lot of people hear the past effects like flanging and reverb as indication of more complexity in his past music. But stuff on 20ten has the same approach of few voices all "up to 11", but he doesn't seem to add the effects to make it seem more complex. He's really keeping it clean now. If he had flanged an instrument line on Beginning Endlessly or Compassion, and used a gated reverb, and mastered it 80's style... I think some listeners would like those songs better.

I personally like some of the new songs a lot! Just as much as old ones.

This song even if it's not a really good one has an edge. The arrangement doesn't sound like what you're used to hear. Some people even claim he's out of key etc.

His new works however are much more conventional in comparison. He uses harmonies and chord changes the way you've heard it a thousand times before. I don't consider this complex, it's just done by the rules. In short: Boring!

[Edited 4/29/11 15:01pm]

ufoclub said:

This new outtake is a good example of a general difference between songwriting of Prince now versus then...

back then he used a very unique "Prince" brand arrangements: Completely simple, with every voice up to ten, almost like making a song out of kids building blocks with a flat loud beat. Then he would frost it with effects like flange or in this case just reverb, often triggered in complex ways. But... the song itself, the composition, if you were to play it on piano, is quite unremarkable.

Nowadays, many times, he's flipped the equation... the song core is better now. I think he's better at crafting the melodies, structure, and verious musical styles. But... he's not using that exact same old "Prince" style of stiff bizarre kid's building block layers to the mix.

I think a lot of people hear the past effects like flanging and reverb as indication of more complexity in his past music. But stuff on 20ten has the same approach of few voices all "up to 11", but he doesn't seem to add the effects to make it seem more complex. He's really keeping it clean now. If he had flanged an instrument line on Beginning Endlessly or Compassion, and used a gated reverb, and mastered it 80's style... I think some listeners would like those songs better.

I personally like some of the new songs a lot! Just as much as old ones.

imo, it's not the massive use of effects that did it for me, but how he used it on albums like 1999. He didn't have digital automation like on Pro Tools, but he did some amazing stuff adding extra texture to the parts that had "needed" it, making it sound more dynamic, organic and evolving. Plus his music had more edge and attitude to it. He used to crawl out of the speakers. He rarely does that now.

ufoclub said:

This new outtake is a good example of a general difference between songwriting of Prince now versus then...

back then he used a very unique "Prince" brand arrangements: Completely simple, with every voice up to ten, almost like making a song out of kids building blocks with a flat loud beat. Then he would frost it with effects like flange or in this case just reverb, often triggered in complex ways. But... the song itself, the composition, if you were to play it on piano, is quite unremarkable.

Nowadays, many times, he's flipped the equation... the song core is better now. I think he's better at crafting the melodies, structure, and verious musical styles. But... he's not using that exact same old "Prince" style of stiff bizarre kid's building block layers to the mix.

I think a lot of people hear the past effects like flanging and reverb as indication of more complexity in his past music. But stuff on 20ten has the same approach of few voices all "up to 11", but he doesn't seem to add the effects to make it seem more complex. He's really keeping it clean now. If he had flanged an instrument line on Beginning Endlessly or Compassion, and used a gated reverb, and mastered it 80's style... I think some listeners would like those songs better.

I personally like some of the new songs a lot! Just as much as old ones.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I part with you on the idea that the new shit is as loveable as the old shit. The songs may be masterful and whatnot, but some of it is very, very... Almost derivative. It's boring. We've heard it all before.

I'm not terribly interested in listening to Prince because he CAN make a good song. I want to listen to Prince because he DOES make a good song. A polished turd is still a turd.

udo said:

madison said:

prince 4 lust lyrics ???

They were in the deleted thread.

Lyrics (help finish it)

[...]


For lust I would find a (?)

(???????)

just to make you crave me

I think this part is something like...

4 lust, I would fondle the full length of my temple just 2 make U crave me

At least, that's what I hear.

[Edited 4/29/11 15:45pm]

herrherr said:

udo said:

They were in the deleted thread.

Lyrics (help finish it)

[...]


For lust I would find a (?)

(???????)

just to make you crave me

I think this part is something like...

4 lust, I would fondle the full length of my temple just 2 make U creamy

At least, that's what I hear.

[Edited 4/29/11 15:45pm]

Fixed!

it's okay . i dig the whistles

njin said:

ufoclub said:

This new outtake is a good example of a general difference between songwriting of Prince now versus then...

back then he used a very unique "Prince" brand arrangements: Completely simple, with every voice up to ten, almost like making a song out of kids building blocks with a flat loud beat. Then he would frost it with effects like flange or in this case just reverb, often triggered in complex ways. But... the song itself, the composition, if you were to play it on piano, is quite unremarkable.

Nowadays, many times, he's flipped the equation... the song core is better now. I think he's better at crafting the melodies, structure, and verious musical styles. But... he's not using that exact same old "Prince" style of stiff bizarre kid's building block layers to the mix.

I think a lot of people hear the past effects like flanging and reverb as indication of more complexity in his past music. But stuff on 20ten has the same approach of few voices all "up to 11", but he doesn't seem to add the effects to make it seem more complex. He's really keeping it clean now. If he had flanged an instrument line on Beginning Endlessly or Compassion, and used a gated reverb, and mastered it 80's style... I think some listeners would like those songs better.

I personally like some of the new songs a lot! Just as much as old ones.

imo, it's not the massive use of effects that did it for me, but how he used it on albums like 1999. He didn't have digital automation like on Pro Tools, but he did some amazing stuff adding extra texture to the parts that had "needed" it, making it sound more dynamic, organic and evolving. Plus his music had more edge and attitude to it. He used to crawl out of the speakers. He rarely does that now.

I agree with you that much of his new stuff doesn't have the extra texture... but some of it does. Like the song 3121, or in a completely different way, The One U Wanna See. But, it's true on the newest album 20ten, he doesn't seem to have taken the time to add little touches of "special effects" to push things to have an edge. I also agree that he doesn't have the the punk-ass-in-your face-sly-I-know-a-secret-attitude from a while back, but some of that would seem silly for him at this age. I think he can still have a conceptual edge (like he did, hate or not, with Rainbow Children).

I feel like he's interested in the core compositions now and moves on, without laboring over the "frosting" or with edits to make it totally unique.

ufoclub said:

This new outtake is a good example of a general difference between songwriting of Prince now versus then...

back then he used a very unique "Prince" brand arrangements: Completely simple, with every voice up to ten, almost like making a song out of kids building blocks with a flat loud beat. Then he would frost it with effects like flange or in this case just reverb, often triggered in complex ways. But... the song itself, the composition, if you were to play it on piano, is quite unremarkable.

Nowadays, many times, he's flipped the equation... the song core is better now. I think he's better at crafting the melodies, structure, and verious musical styles. But... he's not using that exact same old "Prince" style of stiff bizarre kid's building block layers to the mix.

I think a lot of people hear the past effects like flanging and reverb as indication of more complexity in his past music. But stuff on 20ten has the same approach of few voices all "up to 11", but he doesn't seem to add the effects to make it seem more complex. He's really keeping it clean now. If he had flanged an instrument line on Beginning Endlessly or Compassion, and used a gated reverb, and mastered it 80's style... I think some listeners would like those songs better.

I personally like some of the new songs a lot! Just as much as old ones.

WOW!..I couldn't have said it better.

Spinlight said:

It's a solid track in the same vein as "It", "Big Tall Wall", "Fuchsia Light", "Love Song", and other tracks he was doing like that at the time. I think it's the perfect juxtaposition to "For Love."

I doubt Prince had any involvement in its release and I am certain it is simply surfacing from someone's collection (hence the censored "P***ce" in the title to give it some online life).

It's probably the only track I actually like from the sessions for Jill's 2nd album.

U did no like Flesh & Blood? I thought that was good

well cool really nice song

paisleypark4 said:

Spinlight said:

It's a solid track in the same vein as "It", "Big Tall Wall", "Fuchsia Light", "Love Song", and other tracks he was doing like that at the time. I think it's the perfect juxtaposition to "For Love."

I doubt Prince had any involvement in its release and I am certain it is simply surfacing from someone's collection (hence the censored "P***ce" in the title to give it some online life).

It's probably the only track I actually like from the sessions for Jill's 2nd album.

U did no like Flesh & Blood? I thought that was good

i liked boom boom also

Anyone saying this song is a "Masterpiece" is not only delusional, but highly silly as well. This is a very mediocre song [just like half of his new stuff is]. Some of you people on here kill me with this "nostalgic" trip your on. Prince knew this was no good, which is why it didn't come out. It's nice to have just to say you have it. But other than that....eh

ufoclub said:

This new outtake is a good example of a general difference between songwriting of Prince now versus then...

back then he used a very unique "Prince" brand arrangements: Completely simple, with every voice up to ten, almost like making a song out of kids building blocks with a flat loud beat. Then he would frost it with effects like flange or in this case just reverb, often triggered in complex ways. But... the song itself, the composition, if you were to play it on piano, is quite unremarkable.

Nowadays, many times, he's flipped the equation... the song core is better now. I think he's better at crafting the melodies, structure, and verious musical styles. But... he's not using that exact same old "Prince" style of stiff bizarre kid's building block layers to the mix.

I think a lot of people hear the past effects like flanging and reverb as indication of more complexity in his past music. But stuff on 20ten has the same approach of few voices all "up to 11", but he doesn't seem to add the effects to make it seem more complex. He's really keeping it clean now. If he had flanged an instrument line on Beginning Endlessly or Compassion, and used a gated reverb, and mastered it 80's style... I think some listeners would like those songs better.

I personally like some of the new songs a lot! Just as much as old ones.

Dude, I made topic about how Prince mixes his songs now days & people didn't even really comment on it. I been noticing for a loooong time how he doesn't used the reverbs or EQing he used to & that his mixes aren't the same as they used to be....that's his newer stuffs biggest flaw!!!!

i posted b4 that i like the song & it's cute lyrics... but it's a bloody head splinter, i can't get the tunee out my head! aargghh!

gunner82 said:

Anyone saying this song is a "Masterpiece" is not only delusional, but highly silly as well. This is a very mediocre song [just like half of his new stuff is]. Some of you people on here kill me with this "nostalgic" trip your on. Prince knew this was no good, which is why it didn't come out. It's nice to have just to say you have it. But other than that....eh

i quite enjoy it.

Of course not a classic but nice to hear another tune from that "Paisley Park", pre-faux hip-hop era.

emesem said:

Of course not a classic but nice to hear another tune from that "Paisley Park", pre-faux hip-hop era.

I think it's from the times of TC Ellis actualy.

ufoclub said:

emesem said:

Of course not a classic but nice to hear another tune from that "Paisley Park", pre-faux hip-hop era.

I think it's from the times of TC Ellis actualy.

Was TC Ellis around in 1987?

Spinlight said:

Was TC Ellis around in 1987?

Hmm. Can't tell for sure; the album is from 1991.

udo said:

W.r.t. TC:

Good grief.....

I though 4 Lust was more 88-89

[Edited 5/3/11 7:03am]

gunner82 said:

ufoclub said:

This new outtake is a good example of a general difference between songwriting of Prince now versus then...

back then he used a very unique "Prince" brand arrangements: Completely simple, with every voice up to ten, almost like making a song out of kids building blocks with a flat loud beat. Then he would frost it with effects like flange or in this case just reverb, often triggered in complex ways. But... the song itself, the composition, if you were to play it on piano, is quite unremarkable.

Nowadays, many times, he's flipped the equation... the song core is better now. I think he's better at crafting the melodies, structure, and verious musical styles. But... he's not using that exact same old "Prince" style of stiff bizarre kid's building block layers to the mix.

I think a lot of people hear the past effects like flanging and reverb as indication of more complexity in his past music. But stuff on 20ten has the same approach of few voices all "up to 11", but he doesn't seem to add the effects to make it seem more complex. He's really keeping it clean now. If he had flanged an instrument line on Beginning Endlessly or Compassion, and used a gated reverb, and mastered it 80's style... I think some listeners would like those songs better.

I personally like some of the new songs a lot! Just as much as old ones.

Dude, I made topic about how Prince mixes his songs now days & people didn't even really comment on it. I been noticing for a loooong time how he doesn't used the reverbs or EQing he used to & that his mixes aren't the same as they used to be....that's his newer stuffs biggest flaw!!!!

Boring songs + boring sound

personally I think it's ok that he doesn't rape the effects like he did earlier. It wouldn match the style of his new songs. His 80s style matched the attitude he was showing back then. So on that I agree with ufoclub. But this song with Jill Jones is still mediocre at best, even being mixed, mastered with effects and all. It just doesn't really stand out. It sounds like an idea though, that could be developed into something more interesting.

I'm not hating on new Prince though, I just personally find some of it quite boring and not interesting, with a few gems on it. The problem with Prince music is that we always compare it with Prince from the 80s, and not with music as a whole. What about comparing Prince to other musicans, instead of comparing it to himself. Has anyone heard anything from any musican that has recorded thousands of songs over 5 decades, and still sounds extremely unique compared to himself?

Ok, so now I need some clarification please.

Someone here said on the suppressed topic that Jill Jones put the video directly on her FB page and that this someone copied it and posted it on YT for a larger audience.

Now, Princevault says that Jill only posted a link to the YT link.

The first case means that Jill released the song herself, the second may mean that she just linked a leak that might be from someone else.

Can whoever claimed to have seen it on her FB then copied it on YT clarify this please?