HonEMan said:

I'm sorry but Tyler Perry is a hack and Madea is derogatory low-brow coonery. Tyler and his BFF Oprah should be ashamed of themselves for promoting the simple-minded violent character as a role model. He continually crafts poorly paced soap opera, where the women are good and the men are, almost always, bad. It is a cliché overdone, playing out in the most obvious and crass manner.

Thank you !

Where is Robert Townsend when you really need him.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Say what you want about Tyler Perry but Tyler Perry did not start out as a filmmaker nor a television producer. Tyler Perry is a Playwright...first and foremost. It's his plays that put him in the postion of making movies and television shows. Which he hasn't been doing that long enough for people to be talking about "he's setting Black people back 30 years."

October 7, 2008

The House Madea Built!

Thank you Hatrina :claps: U should really change your name you know. I don't see a hater at all

PicassoFace said:

Well both Tyler Perry and Prince like to wear feminine clothes and makeup, so I can understand the kinship there.

I really don't understand the Madea phenomenon or the popularity of Tyler Perry's films. I've forced myself to watch at least 3 of those Madea movies, and I didn't think any of them were funny at all. Friends of mine who love those movies tell me I don't like them because I must not get "black humor", which is bullshit. I'll laugh my ass off at stereotypical "black humor" when it's actually funny (e.g. I'm Gonna Git You Sucka, etc.) Perry's films aren't funny.


Failed attepts at comedy aside, the Medea films are horrible. They're lazily written and predictable. Plus, they send mixed messages. I forgot which film I saw last, but there was one scene in which Medea was in a car and beat the shit out of a girl in the back seat (which was supposed to be funny). Later, she beat the shit out of a girl on a school bus (again, this was supposed to be funny). The whole time, the same film seemed to also preach against violence against women. So beating women is bad, but beating the shit out of children is totally acceptable (not to mention hilarious and Christian)? And does anyone else find it strange that a man who has spoken publicly about his being abused as a child makes films that find humor in beating children? I'm getting mixed messages here--horribly written, predictable, and unfunny mixed messages at that.

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Most of his films deal with drama, but it is mostly comedy with a lasting message on the audience at the end. I think u are looking too deep into it and not really fully grasping the idea. HAVE YOU SEEN THE PLAYS?

I can't wait for his autobiography.

Tyler Perry presents -

Tyler Perry in:

Tyler Perry's

TYLER PERRY!!!

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BlackandRising said:

lPoeticl said:

You've only seen one or two films so you can't really speak for "all" of them.

I clearly stated that this was just my opinion. But based on the shows he produces on TV and the two movies I have seen, I think I can speak for all of them. I mean, it's like reading cheap romance novels. After one or two the formulaic approach is pretty evident. I mean, Madea? How different can the character or script be from movie to movie? I understand that he fills a void, but just maybe once he could direct a film that gave black actors a chance to stretch, to actually act?

He doesnt write anything on those shows. You seeing two movies and assumed that how all of his plays and movies are invalid.

You cant have a based opinion on all of his plays and movies based on that. It's not balanced or fair to assume. Imagine if one had only seen "Girl 6" and "She Hate Me" as a judgement on all Spike Lee films? Really?

Why aren't any of the Tyler fans here citing specific moments in his "art" that are innovative or even slightly clever? Just because Perry is wealthy and popular doesn't really win the argument that he is not a ham-handed hack.

HonEMan said:

Why aren't any of the Tyler fans here citing specific moments in his "art" that are innovative or even slightly clever? Just because Perry is wealthy and popular doesn't really win the argument that he is not a ham-handed hack.

I like when he talks about how the music is not the same as it used to be (followed by singers on stage doing very good renditions of old school classics).

Madea talking to the audience about disrespectful people or just rapping with the audience about life...sometimes he will just talk to one person (as Madea) about what they did in the audience.

His plays deal with very dramatic themes yes but are handled through the love, religion, forgiveness and comedy.

HonEMan said:

Why aren't any of the Tyler fans here citing specific moments in his "art" that are innovative or even slightly clever? Just because Perry is wealthy and popular doesn't really win the argument that he is not a ham-handed hack.

How many plays or movies have you seen?

XNY said:

Prince loves Madea..and apparently Tyler is a fan of Prince. Awesome !

Two great artists living out their dreams baby!

Thank you! Enough said there. Geesh! The movies are somewhat funny, probably more so to folks who "know" this is all about. I like Tyler Perry's other movies better, but can still appreciate the Madea movies. Its weird, I can actually see Prince liking these movies. Prince knows and sees alot, he is just an average guy in some respects, and liking these movies...heck, everybody liked these movies/plays when they first came out. And like I said, Tyler Perry has done some really great other movies that I really enjoy. I give him props...and give props to Prince for actually being current on whats going on in the world. I like that...once again, Prince shows he isn't JUST a pretty face! I am with Prince, I love George Lopez's diverse guestlist!

paisleypark4 said:

HonEMan said:

Why aren't any of the Tyler fans here citing specific moments in his "art" that are innovative or even slightly clever? Just because Perry is wealthy and popular doesn't really win the argument that he is not a ham-handed hack.

I like when he talks about how the music is not the same as it used to be (followed by singers on stage doing very good renditions of old school classics).

Madea talking to the audience about disrespectful people or just rapping with the audience about life...sometimes he will just talk to one person (as Madea) about what they did in the audience.

His plays deal with very dramatic themes yes but are handled through the love, religion, forgiveness and comedy.

I can appreciate the message and sentiment Perry would like to express... I just think they'd be more effective if incorporated into stronger well-written stories. I believe he has a sincere desire to identify with and support black women but his good intentions do not disguise the fact that he's a terrible filmmaker.

lPoeticl said:

HonEMan said:

Why aren't any of the Tyler fans here citing specific moments in his "art" that are innovative or even slightly clever? Just because Perry is wealthy and popular doesn't really win the argument that he is not a ham-handed hack.

How many plays or movies have you seen?

I've sat through 3 or 4 plays (on DVD) at friends requests. Caught the first two movies and For Colored Girls.

HonEMan said:

Why aren't any of the Tyler fans here citing specific moments in his "art" that are innovative or even slightly clever? Just because Perry is wealthy and popular doesn't really win the argument that he is not a ham-handed hack.

Something doesn't have to be "innovative" to be great. That word is overused anyway! Some of his movies are real gems and really speak to the audience. Now whether you relate to them or not is a different story. The problem with most people is they can't be subjective...so what if you can't relate to a movie, can you still judge it based on its merit? Can you put yourself in someone else's shoes and judge it from their POV? Obviously not. "For Colored Girls" is his best film IMO, but I fairly enjoyed "The Family That Preys" and "I Can Do Bad All By Myself." The movies all teach a lesson that is very important in today's world. Tyler Perry embraces issues that are common in the black community, props to him for speaking about it, and showing different roads to take. Plus his show, House of Payne is hilarious!

HonEMan said:

paisleypark4 said:

I like when he talks about how the music is not the same as it used to be (followed by singers on stage doing very good renditions of old school classics).

Madea talking to the audience about disrespectful people or just rapping with the audience about life...sometimes he will just talk to one person (as Madea) about what they did in the audience.

His plays deal with very dramatic themes yes but are handled through the love, religion, forgiveness and comedy.

I can appreciate the message and sentiment Perry would like to express... I just think they'd be more effective if incorporated into stronger well-written stories. I believe he has a sincere desire to identify with and support black women but his good intentions do not disguise the fact that he's a terrible filmmaker.

He made his first film in 2006 and nine others since. While they may not have been Oscar worthy, they've put him on a level that very few filmmakers have ever touched.

He has time to grow and develop as a filmmaker and he has his own money and film studio to do it.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

HonEMan said:

Why aren't any of the Tyler fans here citing specific moments in his "art" that are innovative or even slightly clever? Just because Perry is wealthy and popular doesn't really win the argument that he is not a ham-handed hack.

Something doesn't have to be "innovative" to be great. That word is overused anyway! Some of his movies are real gems and really speak to the audience. Now whether you relate to them or not is a different story. The problem with most people is they can't be subjective...so what if you can't relate to a movie, can you still judge it based on its merit? Can you put yourself in someone else's shoes and judge it from their POV? Obviously not. "For Colored Girls" is his best film IMO, but I fairly enjoyed "The Family That Preys" and "I Can Do Bad All By Myself." The movies all teach a lesson that is very important in today's world. Tyler Perry embraces issues that are common in the black community, props to him for speaking about it, and showing different roads to take. Plus his show, House of Payne is hilarious!

I've put myself "in someone else's shoes" hundreds of times during movies that explore topics or family situations totally foreign to my own. Off the top of my head -- "American Me," "Terms of Endearment," "I've Loved You So Long," "Hotel Rwanda"... I couldn't "relate" to specific culture or experiences in those films but definitely noticed outstanding writing and directing when I saw it. Your point is invalid.

Again, I'm down with his motives... but his films are laughably bad.

HonEMan said:

paisleypark4 said:

I like when he talks about how the music is not the same as it used to be (followed by singers on stage doing very good renditions of old school classics).

Madea talking to the audience about disrespectful people or just rapping with the audience about life...sometimes he will just talk to one person (as Madea) about what they did in the audience.

His plays deal with very dramatic themes yes but are handled through the love, religion, forgiveness and comedy.

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I can appreciate the message and sentiment Perry would like to express... I just think they'd be more effective if incorporated into stronger well-written stories. I believe he has a sincere desire to identify with and support black women but his good intentions do not disguise the fact that he's a terrible filmmaker.

They have effect they just dont have to be Zora Neale or Eves Boyou. He is just one playwright and film director telling stories in his manner. There are others making movies out there too...they unfortunatley arent doing enough though and that's not Tyler's problem.

Precious was a good one..but since then other than Tyler Perry's movies and plays there havent been any others getting any kind of recognition.

HonEMan said:

lPoeticl said:

How many plays or movies have you seen?

I've sat through 3 or 4 plays (on DVD) at friends requests. Caught the first two movies and For Colored Girls.

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

Tyler Perry may not be the best writer in the world but he is getting his point across. Many of his loyal fans understand what it is he is trying to say. Just like Prince may be a bit hard to read I times or just do things we don't understand. We as fans get him. I like the Tyler Perry movies because they focus (like many other supporters have already said) on things that happen in the african american community. In all of those movies I have met someone or know of someone who's been in some of those situations. It's you're opinion if you think they are crap but don't scold us for liking them.

lPoeticl said:

HonEMan said:

I've sat through 3 or 4 plays (on DVD) at friends requests. Caught the first two movies and For Colored Girls.

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

Tyler Perry may not be the best writer in the world but he is getting his point across. Many of his loyal fans understand what it is he is trying to say. Just like Prince may be a bit hard to read I times or just do things we don't understand. We as fans get him. I like the Tyler Perry movies because they focus (like many other supporters have already said) on things that happen in the african american community. In all of those movies I have met someone or know of someone who's been in some of those situations. It's you're opinion if you think they are crap but don't scold us for liking them.

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

I guess I was rooting for him in the beginning, hoping that he would grow as a writer/director.

Tyler Perry may not be the best writer in the world but he is getting his point across. Many of his loyal fans understand what it is he is trying to say. Just like Prince may be a bit hard to read I times or just do things we don't understand. We as fans get him. I like the Tyler Perry movies because they focus (like many other supporters have already said) on things that happen in the african american community. In all of those movies I have met someone or know of someone who's been in some of those situations. It's you're opinion if you think they are crap but don't scold us for liking them.

There is a big difference in focusing on things that happen in the african american community and glorifying the worst in child rearing as an abusive, gun-toting, inarticulate matriarch. Why do you continue to laugh and support the drecks of your culture?

HonEMan said:

lPoeticl said:

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

Tyler Perry may not be the best writer in the world but he is getting his point across. Many of his loyal fans understand what it is he is trying to say. Just like Prince may be a bit hard to read I times or just do things we don't understand. We as fans get him. I like the Tyler Perry movies because they focus (like many other supporters have already said) on things that happen in the african american community. In all of those movies I have met someone or know of someone who's been in some of those situations. It's you're opinion if you think they are crap but don't scold us for liking them.

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

I guess I was rooting for him in the beginning, hoping that he would grow as a writer/director.

Tyler Perry may not be the best writer in the world but he is getting his point across. Many of his loyal fans understand what it is he is trying to say. Just like Prince may be a bit hard to read I times or just do things we don't understand. We as fans get him. I like the Tyler Perry movies because they focus (like many other supporters have already said) on things that happen in the african american community. In all of those movies I have met someone or know of someone who's been in some of those situations. It's you're opinion if you think they are crap but don't scold us for liking them.

There is a big difference in focusing on things that happen in the african american community and glorifying the worst in child rearing as an abusive, gun-toting, inarticulate matriarch. Why do you continue to laugh and support the drecks of your culture?

Madea is meant to make us laugh. I will not go into how some parents discipline their children. Do I think giving your child a spanking is wrong. No, I don't but that's another topic at hand. Madea is a fictional character. If you are judging the whole movie based on Madea's 25 minutes of script (in some of the movies) then you are completely missing the point of the movie itself. Madea is just to lighten the mood on topics we really don't usually talk about. People go to see these movies for different reasons. I go because I really think they are good movies. I appreciate that Tyler talks about things that most writers would shy away from. Another thing... Tyler is doing some good things for his community. When Hurricane Katrina hit, he was helping rebuild. He's given to charitys all because he has the money to from these movies. He's providing jobs. etc. You don't have to like it. There are plenty others that do.

lPoeticl said:

HonEMan said:

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

I guess I was rooting for him in the beginning, hoping that he would grow as a writer/director.

Tyler Perry may not be the best writer in the world but he is getting his point across. Many of his loyal fans understand what it is he is trying to say. Just like Prince may be a bit hard to read I times or just do things we don't understand. We as fans get him. I like the Tyler Perry movies because they focus (like many other supporters have already said) on things that happen in the african american community. In all of those movies I have met someone or know of someone who's been in some of those situations. It's you're opinion if you think they are crap but don't scold us for liking them.

There is a big difference in focusing on things that happen in the african american community and glorifying the worst in child rearing as an abusive, gun-toting, inarticulate matriarch. Why do you continue to laugh and support the drecks of your culture?

Madea is meant to make us laugh. I will not go into how some parents discipline their children. Do I think giving your child a spanking is wrong. No, I don't but that's another topic at hand. Madea is a fictional character. If you are judging the whole movie based on Madea's 25 minutes of script (in some of the movies) then you are completely missing the point of the movie itself. Madea is just to lighten the mood on topics we really don't usually talk about. People go to see these movies for different reasons. I go because I really think they are good movies. I appreciate that Tyler talks about things that most writers would shy away from. Another thing... Tyler is doing some good things for his community. When Hurricane Katrina hit, he was helping rebuild. He's given to charitys all because he has the money to from these movies. He's providing jobs. etc. You don't have to like it. There are plenty others that do.

That's cool^ and I can appreciate your points.

HonEMan said:

lPoeticl said:

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

Tyler Perry may not be the best writer in the world but he is getting his point across. Many of his loyal fans understand what it is he is trying to say. Just like Prince may be a bit hard to read I times or just do things we don't understand. We as fans get him. I like the Tyler Perry movies because they focus (like many other supporters have already said) on things that happen in the african american community. In all of those movies I have met someone or know of someone who's been in some of those situations. It's you're opinion if you think they are crap but don't scold us for liking them.

Obviously you made up your mind after the 1st or 2nd play, so why see two more and then go pay your money to see 2 movies?

I guess I was rooting for him in the beginning, hoping that he would grow as a writer/director.

I guess he did grow to the tune of $350 million dollars. AMEN!

At what time in that clip does Prince say he loves Tyler Perry?

HonEMan said:

I'm sorry but Tyler Perry is a hack and Madea is derogatory low-brow coonery. Tyler and his BFF Oprah should be ashamed of themselves for promoting the simple-minded violent character as a role model. He continually crafts poorly paced soap opera, where the women are good and the men are, almost always, bad. It is a cliché overdone, playing out in the most obvious and crass manner.

What will some of you do if Prince decides to have Tyler direct one of his videos? Some of you forget that Prince has dabbled in a little buffonery/low-brow humor his damn self.

HotGritz said:

What will some of you do if Prince decides to have Tyler direct one of his videos? Some of you forget that Prince has dabbled in a little buffonery/low-brow humor his damn self.

Oh if Tyler did direct a Prince video, all hell will break loose in this board. Prince should just do that for the hell of it.

Still waiting for Tyler to come out of that glass closet.

^ It would sooner rain kittens in a dog park.

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

What will some of you do if Prince decides to have Tyler direct one of his videos? Some of you forget that Prince has dabbled in a little buffonery/low-brow humor his damn self.

Oh if Tyler did direct a Prince video, all hell will break loose in this board. Prince should just do that for the hell of it.

or, he could star in one of Tyler's movies as the light-skinned dude

PositivityNYC said:

Timmy84 said:

Oh if Tyler did direct a Prince video, all hell will break loose in this board. Prince should just do that for the hell of it.

or, he could star in one of Tyler's movies as the light-skinned dude

Timmy84 said:

PositivityNYC said:

or, he could star in one of Tyler's movies as the light-skinned dude

I'm tempted to start a petition...

PositivityNYC said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm tempted to start a petition...

What's stopping you from doing one now?