i was browsing the net and stumbled across another unreleased Revolution album called "Roadhouse Garden" ... what is this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...e_projects

i already looked there but information seems rather short... i hoped people here may have more info?

Prince announced in late 1998 that he was working on a new Prince & The Revolution album called Roadhouse Garden.

He said that the album would consist of "things left unfinished" when the original Revolution split, and also several new songs.

Prince also claimed to have offered Wendy & Lisa co production work on the project, which was later denied by them both.

It remains unreleased.

This from Love4oneanother (10/07/1998)

After announcing on September 30 that "Prince & the Revolution r releasing a new
album on NPG," Prince now claims that "the group needn't b 2gether 2 release an
album" and that he most likely "can and will finish the album alone unless the tide
turns otherwise."

And this from "Sonicnet Music News" (fron 10/10/98)

Prince claims to be doing overdubs on a new album by Prince & the Revolution to be
tentatively entitled Roadhouse Gardenand released on NPG Records, presumably in
1999. In addition to several new tracks, the album will consist of completed "songs
that were left unfinished when the band broke up."

Another colossal opportunity missed.

Of all the things he chose not to release I'm sure this was the most desired by fans (bearing in mind Dream Factory and Camille are lost cases).

Not even Bria Valente's album could make for the loss of that...

It's such a nice title and song. Wiki gives one other title track "Splash," which sounds fitting. It's a strong theme name for an album and I wonder what genre is was intended to be.

This vault intrigues me. Prince says his songs are his children, but he locks many of them in the "vault." Didn't his Dad used to send him/lock him in a room with just a piano? Or is that just a rumour or a misquote from an interview? If it isn't, it seems Prince is subconsciously imitating old behaviour.

Free the kids Prince! Or at least those that are strong enough to make in the outside world. These songs can't all be bad

vitriol said:

Of all the things he chose not to release I'm sure this was the most desired by fans (bearing in mind Dream Factory and Camille are lost cases).

Not even Bria Valente's album could make for the loss of that...

lol silly

Again another testament of that period 1999-1986: 1999 pt 2 Roadhouse Garden Camille project Dream Factory the Flesh sessions + the protege music

Moonbeam Levels

Extralovable

Purple Music

Turn It Up

Lust U Always

Traffic Jam

Wonderful Ass

Our Destiny (performed @ 1st Avenue 6.7.1984)

Roadhouse Garden (performed @ 1st Avenue 6.7.1984)

Go

Splash

Adonis & Bathsheba

Cosmic Day

so many more ...

Bohemian67 said:

It's such a nice title and song. Wiki gives one other title track "Splash," which sounds fitting. It's a strong theme name for an album and I wonder what genre is was intended to be.

This vault intrigues me. Prince says his songs are his children, but he locks many of them in the "vault." Didn't his Dad used to send him/lock him in a room with just a piano? Or is that just a rumour or a misquote from an interview? If it isn't, it seems Prince is subconsciously imitating old behaviour.

Free the kids Prince! Or at least those that are strong enough to make in the outside world. These songs can't all be bad

I'm assuming the album concept or at least the music for it was being created as early as 1984

Bohemian67 said:

It's such a nice title and song. Wiki gives one other title track "Splash," which sounds fitting. It's a strong theme name for an album and I wonder what genre is was intended to be.

The genre is just.... Prince & The Revolution

The tracks that are known to have been considered for the collection in 1998 range from the Revolution's entire span. So, it isn't a project from the mid-80s itself, but a compilation of material from then. (i.e. it isn't a missing Revolution album like 'Dream Factory).

At the time, this compilation was speculated as one of the reasons why there was so little Revolution-era material on 'Crystal Ball' (the 3CD set).

It would be WONDERFUL to have this material released, but the idea of tweaking and adding to the material worries me. I'm not interested in what Prince circa 1998 (or any time since) thinks sounds right/wrong with concerns to older material - I care what Prince at the time thought about it, and that's what I'd like to see released. 1999: The New Master was a travesty.

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NouveauDance said:

Bohemian67 said:

It's such a nice title and song. Wiki gives one other title track "Splash," which sounds fitting. It's a strong theme name for an album and I wonder what genre is was intended to be.

The genre is just.... Prince & The Revolution

The tracks that are known to have been considered for the collection in 1998 range from the Revolution's entire span. So, it isn't a project from the mid-80s itself, but a compilation of material from then. (i.e. it isn't a missing Revolution album like 'Dream Factory).

At the time, this compilation was speculated as one of the reasons why there was so little Revolution-era material on 'Crystal Ball' (the 3CD set).

It would be WONDERFUL to have this material released, but the idea of tweaking and adding to the material worries me. I'm not interested in what Prince circa 1998 (or any time since) thinks sounds right/wrong with concerns to older material - I care what Prince at the time thought about it, and that's what I'd like to see released. 1999: The New Master was a travesty.

I totally agree, the idea of Prince messing with that music scared me. In order to get that greatness feel of when the music was recorded and played you gotta get the group back.

Well, he didn't seem to screw 'Splash' too much...

vitriol said:

Well, he didn't seem to screw 'Splash' too much...

Splash didn't seem like he touched it really.

Which probably is the best

NouveauDance said:

Bohemian67 said:

It's such a nice title and song. Wiki gives one other title track "Splash," which sounds fitting. It's a strong theme name for an album and I wonder what genre is was intended to be.

The genre is just.... Prince & The Revolution

The tracks that are known to have been considered for the collection in 1998 range from the Revolution's entire span. So, it isn't a project from the mid-80s itself, but a compilation of material from then. (i.e. it isn't a missing Revolution album like 'Dream Factory).

At the time, this compilation was speculated as one of the reasons why there was so little Revolution-era material on 'Crystal Ball' (the 3CD set).

It would be WONDERFUL to have this material released, but the idea of tweaking and adding to the material worries me. I'm not interested in what Prince circa 1998 (or any time since) thinks sounds right/wrong with concerns to older material - I care what Prince at the time thought about it, and that's what I'd like to see released. 1999: The New Master was a travesty.

[Edited 4/7/11 6:59am]

I can understand your reasoning from a fan's point of view, meaning u want to know what Prince thought about it at the time and not now. However, I couldn't imagine myself, having made something long ago and then having gone through mountains of self-evolution wanting to bring out something in the same form it was. I'm not an artist either, but I think for an artist it would be even stronger that feeling. One can't ignore the things you've learnt, developed and not want to put your own "real," meaning "current feel" on it. Surely?

Thanks for the info by the way.

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Bohemian67 said:

A re-recorded version of the RG album with Prince's current plastic production and constant Shebly shouts of "clap yer hands....stomp yer feet" would be utterly fantastic.

Bohemian67 said:

NouveauDance said:

The genre is just.... Prince & The Revolution

The tracks that are known to have been considered for the collection in 1998 range from the Revolution's entire span. So, it isn't a project from the mid-80s itself, but a compilation of material from then. (i.e. it isn't a missing Revolution album like 'Dream Factory).

At the time, this compilation was speculated as one of the reasons why there was so little Revolution-era material on 'Crystal Ball' (the 3CD set).

It would be WONDERFUL to have this material released, but the idea of tweaking and adding to the material worries me. I'm not interested in what Prince circa 1998 (or any time since) thinks sounds right/wrong with concerns to older material - I care what Prince at the time thought about it, and that's what I'd like to see released. 1999: The New Master was a travesty.

[Edited 4/7/11 6:59am]

I can understand your reasoning from a fan's point of view, meaning u want to know what Prince thought about it at the time and not now. However, I couldn't imagine myself, having made something long ago and then having gone through mountains of self-evolution wanting to bring out something in the same form it was. I'm not an artist either, but I think for an artist it would be even stronger that feeling. One can't ignore the things you've learnt, developed and not want to put your own "real," meaning "current feel" on it. Surely?

Thanks for the info by the way.

And that's why when he remixed In A Large Room With No Light, there was no feeling no real connection, vs listening to the original and feeling and hearing a swirl of emotion and timelessness

I admire the knowledge on here as to when Prince made what. I mainly cherry picked and uploaded songs I liked into playlists, when I updated my Prince catalogue in 2009. So my knowledge there as to which cd and year is shaky.

So like "In a large room with no light" you're saying the ones that are stand outs on certain albums are ones that Prince generally didn't revamp? i.e. They were left untouched from an earlier era, and the others he did revamp, to give them a more modern sound are the not so nice ones. Therefore, sudden gems on various albums, fans query and believe they're from a different era?

You say something interesting: " And that's why when he remixed In A Large Room With No Light, there was no feeling no real connection, vs listening to the original and feeling and hearing a swirl of emotion and timelessness"

I wonder if extensive background knowledge on or experience with, Prince music, influences listening.

Our long term memory will have a mass of neural connections to certain sounds, and "ears now" might "listen" for those connections, or suddenly indeed "hear" a connection which triggers an old memory association of a certain well known sound. Can "so much" listening, almost generically programme listeners to "expect" a certain sound or feel, as it "fits" into that already integrated memory pattern?

I also wonder if Prince does cherry pick from his vault to add to cds and if "those songs" really are "older?" I can imagine an artist picking up an old "half finished creation" and giving it rebirth, but not mixing new creations on a cd with sudden "old" untouched material.

It would explain why certain albums have those stand out gems. But on the other hand, peoples' music tastes can be so varied that the term "gem" is completely subjective and boils down to one's own cognitive processing and experience.

What do you think?

Bohemian67 said:

I admire the knowledge on here as to when Prince made what. I mainly cherry picked and uploaded songs I liked into playlists, when I updated my Prince catalogue in 2009. So my knowledge there as to which cd and year is shaky.

So like "In a large room with no light" you're saying the ones that are stand outs on certain albums are ones that Prince generally didn't revamp? i.e. They were left untouched from an earlier era, and the others he did revamp, to give them a more modern sound are the not so nice ones. Therefore, sudden gems on various albums, fans query and believe they're from a different era?

You say something interesting: " And that's why when he remixed In A Large Room With No Light, there was no feeling no real connection, vs listening to the original and feeling and hearing a swirl of emotion and timelessness"

I wonder if extensive background knowledge on or experience with, Prince music, influences listening.

Our long term memory will have a mass of neural connections to certain sounds, and "ears now" might "listen" for those connections, or suddenly indeed "hear" a connection which triggers an old memory association of a certain well known sound. Can "so much" listening, almost generically programme listeners to "expect" a certain sound or feel, as it "fits" into that already integrated memory pattern?

I also wonder if Prince does cherry pick from his vault to add to cds and if "those songs" really are "older?" I can imagine an artist picking up an old "half finished creation" and giving it rebirth, but not mixing new creations on a cd with sudden "old" untouched material.

It would explain why certain albums have those stand out gems. But on the other hand, peoples' music tastes can be so varied that the term "gem" is completely subjective and boils down to one's own cognitive processing and experience.

What do you think?

It depends on the length of time too.

I Would love 2 hear the original New Position. But I really dig the album cut

I like the 'original' sequed Irrisistable Bitch but I prefer the Bside cut

I prefer the original sequed version of Feel U Up vs the Camille-Partyman Bside release

I totally prefer the original version of Old Friends 4 Sale vs the 1990's Old Friends 4 Sale album release

4 me there are just songs that have that touch, even later songs that just feel like Prince music ie Tangerine I love to listen to an play along with Tick Tick Bang(81) Tamborine She Loves Me 4 Me and a few others

I LOVE the Rainbow Children cd 4 that same thing

I just love that foundational Prince stand out sound.

Bohemian67 said:

I admire the knowledge on here as to when Prince made what. I mainly cherry picked and uploaded songs I liked into playlists, when I updated my Prince catalogue in 2009. So my knowledge there as to which cd and year is shaky.

So like "In a large room with no light" you're saying the ones that are stand outs on certain albums are ones that Prince generally didn't revamp? i.e. They were left untouched from an earlier era, and the others he did revamp, to give them a more modern sound are the not so nice ones. Therefore, sudden gems on various albums, fans query and believe they're from a different era?

You say something interesting: " And that's why when he remixed In A Large Room With No Light, there was no feeling no real connection, vs listening to the original and feeling and hearing a swirl of emotion and timelessness"

I wonder if extensive background knowledge on or experience with, Prince music, influences listening.

Our long term memory will have a mass of neural connections to certain sounds, and "ears now" might "listen" for those connections, or suddenly indeed "hear" a connection which triggers an old memory association of a certain well known sound. Can "so much" listening, almost generically programme listeners to "expect" a certain sound or feel, as it "fits" into that already integrated memory pattern?

I also wonder if Prince does cherry pick from his vault to add to cds and if "those songs" really are "older?" I can imagine an artist picking up an old "half finished creation" and giving it rebirth, but not mixing new creations on a cd with sudden "old" untouched material.

It would explain why certain albums have those stand out gems. But on the other hand, peoples' music tastes can be so varied that the term "gem" is completely subjective and boils down to one's own cognitive processing and experience.

What do you think?

Prince pulls from his 'past'/'older songs' all the time, but they are only a few years older by most people's guesses and whatever relevant information we have about it.

Pulling The Dance from 1995 was a daring move in 2003 or whenever because he was doing a different sound.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bohemian67 said:

It would explain why certain albums have those stand out gems. But on the other hand, peoples' music tastes can be so varied that the term "gem" is completely subjective and boils down to one's own cognitive processing and experience.

What do you think?

It depends on the length of time too.

I Would love 2 hear the original New Position. But I really dig the album cut

I like the 'original' sequed Irrisistable Bitch but I prefer the Bside cut

I prefer the original sequed version of Feel U Up vs the Camille-Partyman Bside release

I totally prefer the original version of Old Friends 4 Sale vs the 1990's Old Friends 4 Sale album release

Of the songs where you prefer the originals, is it the original that you heard first?

Or if not, how long after did you hear the original after hearing the album track?

I agree, Prince's strength is the unique sound.

Spinlight said:

Bohemian67 said:

I also wonder if Prince does cherry pick from his vault to add to cds and if "those songs" really are "older?" I can imagine an artist picking up an old "half finished creation" and giving it rebirth, but not mixing new creations on a cd with sudden "old" untouched material.

Prince pulls from his 'past'/'older songs' all the time, but they are only a few years older by most people's guesses and whatever relevant information we have about it.

Pulling The Dance from 1995 was a daring move in 2003 or whenever because he was doing a different sound.

Can you give me a few examples. Not loads, my brain can't handle it.

For example, what on Lotus, 20Ten, and 3121 had songs made earlier.

Thanks.

Bohemian67 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It depends on the length of time too.

I Would love 2 hear the original New Position. But I really dig the album cut

I like the 'original' sequed Irrisistable Bitch but I prefer the Bside cut

I prefer the original sequed version of Feel U Up vs the Camille-Partyman Bside release

I totally prefer the original version of Old Friends 4 Sale vs the 1990's Old Friends 4 Sale album release

Of the songs where you prefer the originals, is it the original that you heard first?

Or if not, how long after did you hear the original after hearing the album track?

I agree, Prince's strength is the unique sound.

Well of course I heard Irrisistable Bitch when it was released, I didn't hear the 'studio' work till 2003/2004. I still prefer the album release

with Feel U Up, I heard the released version 1st(1989) and the studio work from 1982/83 in 2003/2004 I prefere the original studio version of 1982

I'll add Tick Tick Bang to that list too. The GB version 1st and then in 2003/2004 heard the 1981 version. I prefer the 1981 version

I heard the original Old Friends 4 Sale in late 1985 it was played on the radio station as a Promo for the Under the Cherry Moon movie (I was expecting it on the album) I still have a Maxwell tape that I recorded it on from the radio. In the late 1990's when he released the Old Friends 4 Sale album I immediately bought it expecting the original song to be on there.

So sometimes it's the earlier version coz you heard it first but sometimes not. Hence, the polishing for certain cds tends to make it less enjoyable for you than the first studio version. Interesting.

Actually of those songs, I am familiar with OFFS but I like it in its form on the Vault, so I guess I'll just leave it at that.

Bohemian67 said:

So sometimes it's the earlier version coz you heard it first but sometimes not. Hence, the polishing for certain cds tends to make it less enjoyable for you than the first studio version. Interesting.

Actually of those songs, I am familiar with OFFS but I like it in its form on the Vault, so I guess I'll just leave it at that.

Yes it really depends I love raw unpolished things. Even prefer Prince's look prior to 1990 for that same reason.

I love the original OF4S for it's more personal lyrics. More introverted. Its about things that happened 2 him in the 1983-1985 years. vs the 1990 release which is more extroverted.

I think it was a clever move not to release this back in the late 90's: Prince wasn't exactly at the peak of his career, no one really cared except for us fans, and besides The Revolution had only been disbanded a bit more than a decade earlier.

NOW imagine the BUZZ when Prince, now a living legend, eventually releases an untouched collection of Revolution-era outtakes, 30 or 40 years after the legendary combo disbanded.

So God i wish he'd have released it, but he was clever not to...

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bohemian67 said:

Of the songs where you prefer the originals, is it the original that you heard first?

Or if not, how long after did you hear the original after hearing the album track?

I agree, Prince's strength is the unique sound.

Well of course I heard Irrisistable Bitch when it was released, I didn't hear the 'studio' work till 2003/2004. I still prefer the album release

with Feel U Up, I heard the released version 1st(1989) and the studio work from 1982/83 in 2003/2004 I prefere the original studio version of 1982

I'll add Tick Tick Bang to that list too. The GB version 1st and then in 2003/2004 heard the 1981 version. I prefer the 1981 version

I heard the original Old Friends 4 Sale in late 1985 it was played on the radio station as a Promo for the Under the Cherry Moon movie (I was expecting it on the album) I still have a Maxwell tape that I recorded it on from the radio. In the late 1990's when he released the Old Friends 4 Sale album I immediately bought it expecting the original song to be on there.

Obviously what u heard was a bootleg, as it never was released as a promo. I'm amazed that it was circulating at such an earlier date, though. How was the sound quality?

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databank said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well of course I heard Irrisistable Bitch when it was released, I didn't hear the 'studio' work till 2003/2004. I still prefer the album release

with Feel U Up, I heard the released version 1st(1989) and the studio work from 1982/83 in 2003/2004 I prefere the original studio version of 1982

I'll add Tick Tick Bang to that list too. The GB version 1st and then in 2003/2004 heard the 1981 version. I prefer the 1981 version

I heard the original Old Friends 4 Sale in late 1985 it was played on the radio station as a Promo for the Under the Cherry Moon movie (I was expecting it on the album) I still have a Maxwell tape that I recorded it on from the radio. In the late 1990's when he released the Old Friends 4 Sale album I immediately bought it expecting the original song to be on there.

Obviously what u heard was a bootleg, as it never was released as a promo. I'm amazed that it was circulating at such an earlier date, though. How was the sound quality?

...

Probably, the quality was really good.

They played it on the radio regularly

Maybe Prince had it sent out ??

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

Obviously what u heard was a bootleg, as it never was released as a promo. I'm amazed that it was circulating at such an earlier date, though. How was the sound quality?

...

Probably, the quality was really good.

They played it on the radio regularly

Maybe Prince had it sent out ??

Quite strange. I think an official promo, even sent to only one radio station, woulda been reported the way broadcasts of "Shockadelica", "Glam Slam '91" and "Rock & Roll Is Alive" were reported. Must really have been from an unofficial source, but any additional info would be welcome. Maybe we should create a thread about this?