This may be a crazy question, but I've been into collecting Quadraphonic and SACDs from my favorite artists. Does anyone know if WB ever released any for Prince? I can't seem to locate anything on him or his protoges.

I know the SHM cds were issued a few years ago (I got a few of those), but there isn't a big sound difference on these.

No surround remixes I'm afraid.

I'd buy that too ...if they were properly done, that is.

quadrophonic was long dead before prince became popular, thus none were released. no surround mixes of any albums have been released, although prince once mentioned a 5.1 mix of lovesexy on npgmc, which no-one seems to have heard

unique said:

quadrophonic was long dead before prince became popular, thus none were released. no surround mixes of any albums have been released, although prince once mentioned a 5.1 mix of lovesexy on npgmc, which no-one seems to have heard

Interesting. Now that you say that, I see that a lot of them were done in the early to mid-70s. I see there were a few here and there throughout the 80s, but the majority of them were in the early to mid 70s.

Thanks

unique said:

prince once mentioned a 5.1 mix of lovesexy on npgmc, which no-one seems to have heard

I downloaded a boot of his hits mixed in 5.1, it's okay but nothing groundbreaking. The best album I've heard in 5.1 is "Yoshimi... by Flaming Lips", they remixed it especially and it sounds phenominal

pacey68 said:

unique said:

prince once mentioned a 5.1 mix of lovesexy on npgmc, which no-one seems to have heard

I downloaded a boot of his hits mixed in 5.1, it's okay but nothing groundbreaking. The best album I've heard in 5.1 is "Yoshimi... by Flaming Lips", they remixed it especially and it sounds phenominal

the yoshimi dvda is fantastic, but the band mixed that album specifically for that format, which is why it sounds so good. porcupine tree similarly make great 5.1 mixes

but the hits 5.1 mix is just a fan made upmix on a DTS cd. there are a large number of fan made upmixes as there is a lively scene where people upmix both the latest albums plus classic albums using software. they don't have access to the master tapes, they just use stereo cds as the source and create a mix in a similar way to DSP settings on a 5.1 amp giving psuedo surround sound. some of the beatles ones are interesting as the beatles regularly stuck all the instruments in one channel and vocals in another, which was common at the time for early stereo mixes

there are a few prince DTS 5.1 discs floating around, NEWS, purple rain, etc

the quad mixes of dark side of the moon and wish you were here by pink floyd were good. there were others by sly and the family stone and earth wind and fire too. quite a lot of quad mixes circulate on the internets as unnoficial DTS discs

I believe many of his later CDs are encoded with Dolby ProLogic, which from what I understand, is surround sound in two channels. Some of the audiophiles on here could probably explain it better. I recall listening to the Gold Experience and d&p with a 5.1 setup and there were some minor enhancements as far as separation between the channels.

Chas said:

I believe many of his later CDs are encoded with Dolby ProLogic, which from what I understand, is surround sound in two channels. Some of the audiophiles on here could probably explain it better. I recall listening to the Gold Experience and d&p with a 5.1 setup and there were some minor enhancements as far as separation between the channels.

none of them are encoded with that, but if you play any cd in prologic or any DSP it will sound different. prologic 2 is a lot better, especially the music version. albums don't have to be encoded specifically to benefit from it

unique said:

Chas said:

I believe many of his later CDs are encoded with Dolby ProLogic, which from what I understand, is surround sound in two channels. Some of the audiophiles on here could probably explain it better. I recall listening to the Gold Experience and d&p with a 5.1 setup and there were some minor enhancements as far as separation between the channels.

none of them are encoded with that, but if you play any cd in prologic or any DSP it will sound different. prologic 2 is a lot better, especially the music version. albums don't have to be encoded specifically to benefit from it

Ah cool. I knew someone would clear it up. Yeah, they sound pretty good with the right setup.

To get an SACD or DVD multi channel mix they'd have to go back to the multi-tracks and remix for surround sound.

Some SACD's were released in multi channel from albums released in quad vinyl (back in the 70's).

The only ones I can think of that might be original quad mixes are O'JAYs Ship Ahoy (sounds awesome BTW) & Deep Purple Machine Head.

Pink Floyd DSOTM for example had an original quad mix for tape/ vinyl but they opted instead to have the original engineer Alan Parsons go back and remix the mutli's for 5.1 surround Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow was another remastered for 5.1 (instead of original quad mix)

As for Prince, no SACD/ quad that I'm aware of...

Interesting tidbit that I've yet to try. Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland was supposedly mixed with special instructions not to alter any phase/ polarity during mastering process. The original intent was to extract some quad effect when the stereo mix (for initial pressings anyway). I've heard discussed that ELL takes on a whole new level when played back in quad or Dolby pro-logic (mores o than a standard recording)

http://members.cox.net/su...adpall.htm here's a list of quad vinyl that you could x/ref with SACD releases...

AKABubbleup said:

To get an SACD or DVD multi channel mix they'd have to go back to the multi-tracks and remix for surround sound.

Some SACD's were released in multi channel from albums released in quad vinyl (back in the 70's).

The only ones I can think of that might be original quad mixes are O'JAYs Ship Ahoy (sounds awesome BTW) & Deep Purple Machine Head.

Pink Floyd DSOTM for example had an original quad mix for tape/ vinyl but they opted instead to have the original engineer Alan Parsons go back and remix the mutli's for 5.1 surround Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow was another remastered for 5.1 (instead of original quad mix)

As for Prince, no SACD/ quad that I'm aware of...

Interesting tidbit that I've yet to try. Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland was supposedly mixed with special instructions not to alter any phase/ polarity during mastering process. The original intent was to extract some quad effect when the stereo mix (for initial pressings anyway). I've heard discussed that ELL takes on a whole new level when played back in quad or Dolby pro-logic (mores o than a standard recording)

http://members.cox.net/su...adpall.htm here's a list of quad vinyl that you could x/ref with SACD releases...

I plan on getting the O'Jay's and MFSB issues.

I got interested in them when I picked up the Quad lp of Rufus' Rufusized in quadraphonic from a thrift store. It sounded so good that I have been seeking out others.

Thanks for the info, every one.

unique said:

pacey68 said:

I downloaded a boot of his hits mixed in 5.1, it's okay but nothing groundbreaking. The best album I've heard in 5.1 is "Yoshimi... by Flaming Lips", they remixed it especially and it sounds phenominal

the yoshimi dvda is fantastic, but the band mixed that album specifically for that format, which is why it sounds so good. porcupine tree similarly make great 5.1 mixes

but the hits 5.1 mix is just a fan made upmix on a DTS cd. there are a large number of fan made upmixes as there is a lively scene where people upmix both the latest albums plus classic albums using software. they don't have access to the master tapes, they just use stereo cds as the source and create a mix in a similar way to DSP settings on a 5.1 amp giving psuedo surround sound. some of the beatles ones are interesting as the beatles regularly stuck all the instruments in one channel and vocals in another, which was common at the time for early stereo mixes

there are a few prince DTS 5.1 discs floating around, NEWS, purple rain, etc

the quad mixes of dark side of the moon and wish you were here by pink floyd were good. there were others by sly and the family stone and earth wind and fire too. quite a lot of quad mixes circulate on the internets as unnoficial DTS discs

I have all of The Flaming Lips' DVD-Audio surround discs as well as Porcupine Tree's (my two favorite bands!) and both do a great job with the mixes. I also have all of the fan-made Prince DTS surround up-mixes as well as quite a few MJ and they are decent, if a little predictable, but there's nothing like an actual, deliberate discreet mix to make your surround sound setup scream "LISTEN TO ME!!!"

I am now going to spend my next day off listening to Electric Ladyland in Prologic.

The 5.1 mix of The Beatles' Love is pretty cool (if you aren't an insane purist)

AKABubbleup said:

To get an SACD or DVD multi channel mix they'd have to go back to the multi-tracks and remix for surround sound.

Some SACD's were released in multi channel from albums released in quad vinyl (back in the 70's).

The only ones I can think of that might be original quad mixes are O'JAYs Ship Ahoy (sounds awesome BTW) & Deep Purple Machine Head.

Pink Floyd DSOTM for example had an original quad mix for tape/ vinyl but they opted instead to have the original engineer Alan Parsons go back and remix the mutli's for 5.1 surround Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow was another remastered for 5.1 (instead of original quad mix)

As for Prince, no SACD/ quad that I'm aware of...

Interesting tidbit that I've yet to try. Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland was supposedly mixed with special instructions not to alter any phase/ polarity during mastering process. The original intent was to extract some quad effect when the stereo mix (for initial pressings anyway). I've heard discussed that ELL takes on a whole new level when played back in quad or Dolby pro-logic (mores o than a standard recording)

http://members.cox.net/su...adpall.htm here's a list of quad vinyl that you could x/ref with SACD releases...

alan parsons did the original quad mix of DSOTM but the band never approved that mix. EMI arranged it without the bands agreement. the 5.1 mix was actually done by engineer james guthrie who did the 5.1 mixes for the wall dvd

there is an excellent quality bootleg dvda circulating of the original quad mix by alan parsons, which appears to be taken from mastertapes rather than vinyl as the sound is so good. i've been fortunate to own the original quad vinly which sounds different if played back on a stereo player, but it was only by getting the bootleg that i could hear it properly in quad. there's also a decent bootleg of wish you were here quad mix which was also supposed to be released in 5.1 on SACD for the 30th anniversary but to date there is no release scheduled

the beatles love 5.1 mix is great, but they went back to the mastertapes to remix everything so it should do. sgt pepper and magical mystery tour would make nice 5.1 mixes, after all pet sounds was a great one

I would've thought the music for the movies have 5.1 mixes.

dalsh327 said:

I would've thought the music for the movies have 5.1 mixes.

not really. most of them just take stereo music. the centre channel does dialogue, the fronts do the main sound and rears do effects. when you hear a song in a movie they usually just use the normal cd version, unless it's a track specifically for the movie, but even then it's usually a stereo track. they might upmix to include the back speakers and centre, and pump some bass out the sub, but when you hear gimme shelter in a movie they don't remix the song from the master tapes

even purple rain, it's stereo mix music, it's just the sound effects in the side speakers and dialogue in the centre

thefourthman said:

I am now going to spend my next day off listening to Electric Ladyland in Prologic.

Give us an update!. I'll have to try this.

I usually listen to music with the 5 channel stereo option on my system unless it's a 5.1 specific release. So how should I listen to Jimi's ELL? Which setting to get the intended effect? Btw, someone should start a specific 5.1/sacd/quad thread in non-prince. Would prolly get more mileage. Imo.

Bfunkthe1 said:

thefourthman said:

I am now going to spend my next day off listening to Electric Ladyland in Prologic.

Give us an update!. I'll have to try this.

I usually listen to music with the 5 channel stereo option on my system unless it's a 5.1 specific release. So how should I listen to Jimi's ELL? Which setting to get the intended effect? Btw, someone should start a specific 5.1/sacd/quad thread in non-prince. Would prolly get more mileage. Imo.

I was gonna do the same thing! I had never heard that about ELL. I would use ProLogic or DTS Neo as they use special matrix algorithms to process the sound. 5 channel stereo is just that.....the only "processing" involved is usually combining the left and right channels for the center speaker.

[Edited 3/30/11 7:39am]

unique said:

AKABubbleup said:

To get an SACD or DVD multi channel mix they'd have to go back to the multi-tracks and remix for surround sound.

Some SACD's were released in multi channel from albums released in quad vinyl (back in the 70's).

The only ones I can think of that might be original quad mixes are O'JAYs Ship Ahoy (sounds awesome BTW) & Deep Purple Machine Head.

Pink Floyd DSOTM for example had an original quad mix for tape/ vinyl but they opted instead to have the original engineer Alan Parsons go back and remix the mutli's for 5.1 surround Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow was another remastered for 5.1 (instead of original quad mix)

As for Prince, no SACD/ quad that I'm aware of...

Interesting tidbit that I've yet to try. Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland was supposedly mixed with special instructions not to alter any phase/ polarity during mastering process. The original intent was to extract some quad effect when the stereo mix (for initial pressings anyway). I've heard discussed that ELL takes on a whole new level when played back in quad or Dolby pro-logic (mores o than a standard recording)

http://members.cox.net/su...adpall.htm here's a list of quad vinyl that you could x/ref with SACD releases...

alan parsons did the original quad mix of DSOTM but the band never approved that mix. EMI arranged it without the bands agreement. the 5.1 mix was actually done by engineer james guthrie who did the 5.1 mixes for the wall dvd

there is an excellent quality bootleg dvda circulating of the original quad mix by alan parsons, which appears to be taken from mastertapes rather than vinyl as the sound is so good. i've been fortunate to own the original quad vinly which sounds different if played back on a stereo player, but it was only by getting the bootleg that i could hear it properly in quad. there's also a decent bootleg of wish you were here quad mix which was also supposed to be released in 5.1 on SACD for the 30th anniversary but to date there is no release scheduled

the beatles love 5.1 mix is great, but they went back to the mastertapes to remix everything so it should do. sgt pepper and magical mystery tour would make nice 5.1 mixes, after all pet sounds was a great one

Your absolutley right. A senior moment from my not so senior mind... Parsons comments on the SACD surround and quad mixes here http://www.pinkfloydz.com...esandv.htm I remember reading this when it came out and thus gave Parsons false credit...

WYWH seems to be postponed indefinately. Shame, I'm stuck with the (stereo) Columbia Master Sound Vinyl on the home rig or ripped lossless to the ipod.

Thanks for clearing that up for everybody (myself included)

Bfunkthe1 said:

thefourthman said:

I am now going to spend my next day off listening to Electric Ladyland in Prologic.

Give us an update!. I'll have to try this.

I usually listen to music with the 5 channel stereo option on my system unless it's a 5.1 specific release. So how should I listen to Jimi's ELL? Which setting to get the intended effect? Btw, someone should start a specific 5.1/sacd/quad thread in non-prince. Would prolly get more mileage. Imo.

just use the same options you used before that you prefer. the album was recorded long before dolby prologic came out. all the DSP is doing is splitting music between speakers via different frequencies. some amps have a 5.1 music option or you have dolbly prologic 2 music etc etc. try each and see what you like, each will sound a bit different

thefourthman said:

I am now going to spend my next day off listening to Electric Ladyland in Prologic.

Let us know what u think. I'm in between houses so the 2 channel vinyl rig is up but surround is unfortunately in storage for a while.

Always wished Prince would cover the title cut. He could 'own' that...

daPrettyman said:

AKABubbleup said:

To get an SACD or DVD multi channel mix they'd have to go back to the multi-tracks and remix for surround sound.

Some SACD's were released in multi channel from albums released in quad vinyl (back in the 70's).

The only ones I can think of that might be original quad mixes are O'JAYs Ship Ahoy (sounds awesome BTW) & Deep Purple Machine Head.

Pink Floyd DSOTM for example had an original quad mix for tape/ vinyl but they opted instead to have the original engineer Alan Parsons go back and remix the mutli's for 5.1 surround Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow was another remastered for 5.1 (instead of original quad mix)

As for Prince, no SACD/ quad that I'm aware of...

Interesting tidbit that I've yet to try. Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland was supposedly mixed with special instructions not to alter any phase/ polarity during mastering process. The original intent was to extract some quad effect when the stereo mix (for initial pressings anyway). I've heard discussed that ELL takes on a whole new level when played back in quad or Dolby pro-logic (mores o than a standard recording)

http://members.cox.net/su...adpall.htm here's a list of quad vinyl that you could x/ref with SACD releases...

I plan on getting the O'Jay's and MFSB issues.

I got interested in them when I picked up the Quad lp of Rufus' Rufusized in quadraphonic from a thrift store. It sounded so good that I have been seeking out others.

Thanks for the info, every one.

O'Jays is truly killer... Sly & Family Greatest Hits has a vinyl quad mix. I dont have quad playback on vinyl and have yet to find a playable quad copy, but heard this really gives us a new take when the quad is played back in stereo (different than original stereo mix,,)

AKABubbleup said:

daPrettyman said:

I plan on getting the O'Jay's and MFSB issues.

I got interested in them when I picked up the Quad lp of Rufus' Rufusized in quadraphonic from a thrift store. It sounded so good that I have been seeking out others.

Thanks for the info, every one.

O'Jays is truly killer... Sly & Family Greatest Hits has a vinyl quad mix. I dont have quad playback on vinyl and have yet to find a playable quad copy, but heard this really gives us a new take when the quad is played back in stereo (different than original stereo mix,,)

there were actually two seperate sly hits quad mixes, there was a test mix done before the officially released one. both have completely different mixes AND running times, and some of the tracks weren't even available in stereo until the 90s cd remasters