databank said:

udo said:

Did you check the 20ten disc? Promo!

Did u even read what i wrote? I don't think so, read again...

Just asking. Isn't the jacket the cardboard sleeve? Udo mentions the disc itself.

Serena said:

djThunderfunk said:

That still doesn't make it illegal. You act as if 2nd hand copies are the equivalent of bootlegs. They are not, not even close.

There's an argument to be made about the legality of reselling actual promotional copies, and even that argument is BS. There is nothing about buying the paper and selling the disc that is even remotely illegal.

I remembered recently reading about a ruling on this:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/i...-cds-legal

by Slava Kuperstein

posted January 08, 2011 12:49:00 PM CST

An appeals court rules against Universal Music in what could be a landmark case.

An appeals court upheld on Tuesday (January 4) a ruling that said consumers have the right to re-sell promotional CDs.

A panel of judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit determined that Los Angeles music re-seller Troy Augusto was within his rights by buying and re-selling music, including promo CDs that are often issued by record labels. Universal Music Group sued Augusto and his company back in 2007, arguing that the distribution of the CDs without its permition was a violation of copyright.

The U.S. District Court, in its 2008 ruling, disagreed with Universal's stance, indicating that, legally, UMG's distribution of the promo CDs constituted a gift in that the label never required anything in exchange for the CDs.

According to paidcontent.org, UMG's options include asking for a re-hearing of the 9th Circuit, or to appeal to the Supreme Court, though neither option seems likely.

“The Ninth Circuit recognized an important principle: that you can’t eliminate consumers’ rights just by claiming there’s a ‘license agreement,’" Explained Joe Gratz of the Durie Tangri law firm, which represented Augusto. "Once a copyrighted work is freely given, the copyright holder isn’t in charge anymore. The copyright owner can’t stop you from selling it or lending it to a friend.”

The ruling in this case is significant in that it could have implications for consumers' rights regarding the resale of other copyrighted items.

Universal Music Group, home to artists such as Lil Wayne, Eminem, Kid Cudi, Kanye, Young Jeezy and many more, has yet to comment on the matter.

Thank you for this Serena!!

I didn't know about this case.

As you highlighted, your post backs up a point of mine, a case can be made, but it's BS!

Wonderful news indeed...

databank said:

udo said:

Did you check the 20ten disc? Promo!

Did u even read what i wrote? I don't think so, read again...

If it says promo (as from the factory) it is a promo.

If I get it for free, pay $100, get it at record fair or in a wrecka stow doesn't matter to me.

Promo is promo.

Even if it isn't 'rare'.

udo said:

databank said:

Did u even read what i wrote? I don't think so, read again...

If it says promo (as from the factory) it is a promo.

If I get it for free, pay $100, get it at record fair or in a wrecka stow doesn't matter to me.

Promo is promo.

Even if it isn't 'rare'.

Jesus! OK, this notice had to be added as a legal precaution, so your next Virgin megastore wouldn't sell it separately as a new product. Instead there could have been a "cannot be sold without (name of the newspaper + issue number)" notice. That doesn't make it a promo in the traditional sense of the term, as explained before. Second hand stores or Ebayers have a right to sell it as a second hand object but it cannot be sold as a "new" item, that's all it means.

Anyway this is all ridiculous, it's never been said by anyone anywhere in the world that 20ten isn't an album before this thread suddenly brought it up. Will this become the new empty and useless debate on the org after "Newpower Soul is not an NPG album but a Prince album", "C-Note is not an album, it's an EP" and "The Beautiful Experience is not a maxi-single, it's an album"?

This mere thread is an aberration anyway (even if LF/MPLSound/Elixer had been the last albums, 2 years doesn't make an "in years" as if the last album had been released in 2004).

Anyway say what u want, believe what u want, i give up, i'm outta this thread

Usually "promo" ties into the promotional budget. So do music videos. I'm not sure, but I've heard record companies that spend a lot on promoting an artist, wind up taking money from the artist when they tally u how much a video cost, appearances, etc.

Prince made his money up front , it served as a promotional tool for his UK shows and it was prob. a better option than selling it in stores at the time.

It's an official release by Prince. It was recorded in a studio. It's just the way he distributed it.

djThunderfunk said:

Thank you for this Serena!!

I didn't know about this case.

As you highlighted, your post backs up a point of mine, a case can be made, but it's BS!

Wonderful news indeed...

You're welcome!

I think you meant this: WHY NO STUDIO LP PROPERLY RELEASED/PROMOTED IN YEARS???

JoeTyler said:

I think you meant this: WHY NO STUDIO LP PROPERLY RELEASED/PROMOTED IN YEARS???

alandail said:

LeanderWapshot said:

Less is better. Especially considering the output of the last decade plus. The only thing to hope for is a purge of the vaunted Vault. One possible reason it hasn't been expoited is that the quality isn't there. But, then what can I say about the quality of the new stuff???

Prince has released plenty of outstanding new music in the last 10 plus years. I really don't see any huge disparity in the quality across decades.

and did the OP really completely miss Lotusflow3r?

[Edited 3/21/11 22:53pm]

I think it is the symbol era that has ruined a lot of how people listen to Prince. I don't mean because of ridicule -I mean that because prince created an atmosphere that he was withholding music from WB's that when he did start releasing the expectation was at a ridiculous high. I really liked Emancipation but I was expecting an album of some ridiculous level of revelation

vitriol said:

^People may have a hard time understanding threads but you seem to have a hard time understanding everything else because LF/MPLS was released in 2009.

You've even been given a link to the Prince Vault discography page but it's clear that you only see what you want to see.

Anyway, given the quality of what he released I wish he hadn't put out anything after NEWS.

I wish he hadn't put out NEWS. If I wanted to hear something like NEWS, (but MORE exciting) I would've just put on the Weather Channel 7-Day Forecast. Now THAT'S some boring funk. Prince cannot compete with TWC. He needs to stop trying.

steakfinger said:

vitriol said:

^People may have a hard time understanding threads but you seem to have a hard time understanding everything else because LF/MPLS was released in 2009.

You've even been given a link to the Prince Vault discography page but it's clear that you only see what you want to see.

Anyway, given the quality of what he released I wish he hadn't put out anything after NEWS.

I wish he hadn't put out NEWS. If I wanted to hear something like NEWS, (but MORE exciting) I would've just put on the Weather Channel 7-Day Forecast. Now THAT'S some boring funk. Prince cannot compete with TWC. He needs to stop trying.

People complaining about Prince releasing music in a thread complaining about Prince not releasing music... Welcome 2 the org

I respectfully disagree: NEWS is sheer genius IMO, & i wish he would have kept releasing this kind of stuff instead of going back to mainstream music. You could say things like "it's crap compared to Davis' Bitches Brew or Mahavishnu Orchestra or John Zorn or Hancock's Headhunters" (for example), but comparing it to the weather channel... Do u have the smallest idea of the musical level needed in order to play the music that's being played there, and record such an album in an afternoon on top of it? It's way above what an average musician can do, believe me.

Now you can dislike it completely, i happen to dislike Mozart and that's my right. But to compare NEWS to elevator music is just being mean I don't like Mozart but i'm not claiming that his operas sound like Annie (the broadway musical). Besides, weither or not it's a good record, Prince tried to do something different, to surpass himself, to explore other musican realms, and i always encourage that. Kamasutra was an absolute failure (by the standards of the musical genre it belongs to), but i'm glad Prince at least tried to explore contemporary and neoclassical music. 3121 certainly is a better album than Kamasutra, but 3121 is just Prince doing what he does, not challenging himself a bit. NEWS was Prince challenging himself a lot.

I might be wrong and in that case forgive me for assuming, but are u familiar with intrumental music in general (regardless of genres) or do you only listen to pop, rock and funk? I'm asking because usually people who don't know anything but the "songs" format always compare everything that escapes that format to elevator music.

Peace.

...............so why hasn't he????

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I love threads where the argument goes on endlessly and can never change anyone's mind!

Aristotle said:

Too bad we haven't had a good album since 1995

I have to correct this to 1996. Chaos and Disorder is tha BOMB!! Its one of my favs and to me his last great album. This album is very underated. There is not a bad song on it!!

steakfinger said:

vitriol said:

^People may have a hard time understanding threads but you seem to have a hard time understanding everything else because LF/MPLS was released in 2009.

You've even been given a link to the Prince Vault discography page but it's clear that you only see what you want to see.

Anyway, given the quality of what he released I wish he hadn't put out anything after NEWS.

I wish he hadn't put out NEWS. If I wanted to hear something like NEWS, (but MORE exciting) I would've just put on the Weather Channel 7-Day Forecast. Now THAT'S some boring funk. Prince cannot compete with TWC. He needs to stop trying.

MattyJam said:

NouveauDance said:

It counts.

Any release which includes "Everybody Loves Me" doesn't count.

Right, even the best track on the record wasn't good enough to make it count!

[Edited 5/16/11 22:21pm]

WHY HASN'T HE RELEASE ANY ALBUMS IN YEARS BESIDES THOSE THREE THAT HE HAS RELEASED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS?!

databank said:

NEWS is sheer genius IMO, & i wish he would have kept releasing this kind of stuff instead of going back to mainstream music. You could say things like "it's crap compared to Davis' Bitches Brew or Mahavishnu Orchestra or John Zorn or Hancock's Headhunters" (for example), but comparing it to the weather channel... Do u have the smallest idea of the musical level needed in order to play the music that's being played there, and record such an album in an afternoon on top of it? It's way above what an average musician can do, believe me.

Some people don't like instrumental music and never will. "When is he going to start singing?"

I wouldn't say "N.E.W.S." is sheer genius. It was refreshing to see Prince try something else, but it's the result that counts, not the effort. I happen to love "Bitches Brew", "Birds of Fire", "Head Hunters", etc. They're classics. Not because Miles, McLaughlin, and Hancock tried, but because they succeeded. Anyway, it doesn't really make sense to compare those albums with "N.E.W.S.", "Xpectation", or "C-Note". And I don't. I simply feel that "N.E.W.S." could have been better with less concepts (four 14-minute songs ; okay, Prince, we got it the first two times you did it, with "Emancipation" and "Crystal Ball"...), more substance, and less awful synths. "Xpectation" is the better instrumental album, IMHO.

Gohi said:

^Poor as they are, I think both The Slaughterhouse and The Chocolate Invasion shit and piss LOADS over anything post Musicology.

vitriol said:

^Poor as they are, I think both The Slaughterhouse and The Chocolate Invasion shit and piss LOADS over anything post Musicology.

errant said:

WHY HASN'T HE RELEASE ANY ALBUMS IN YEARS BESIDES THOSE THREE THAT HE HAS RELEASED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS?!

NouveauDance said:

Enjoy

Now isn't that a beautiful list of albums!?! Some artists only released about 5 or 6 albums between '82 and '97

And 4 those who complain about his output the last 10 years:

3121

Lolita

Act of God

Te amo corazon

She loves me 4 me

Sticky like glue

What do U want me 2 do?

The 1 U wanna C

Fury

Satisfied

U're gonna C me

Love

Lavaux

Old skool Co

Musicology

Blacksweat

Guitar

A million days

Beginning endlessly

Laydown

This is MY Best Of 2000-2010 and I'm sure others here will have some other songs they prefer...

wich means there is enough good material. Better/as good as The Hits...nah, but I love this music and enjoy it a lot!!!

[Edited 5/17/11 23:36pm]