Bohemian67 said:

PenelopePaige said:

I can understand why someone who's lost their job or that's balancing all their bills on some minimum wage salary may have to let a bill slide here and there, but why in the world would someone who has the kind of money Prince has, not pay the people who have honestly put in work for him? And why was his brother living in an apartment? Why wouldn't Prince at least buy him a modest house? And his sister too? I heard she spent years homeless, even if she were on drugs, why not buy her a modest house? He seems pretty selfish, I mean, he has hundreds of MILLIONS, how in the world is this man so stingy? It doesn't seem very Christian.........

You ask a lot of questions Penelope. Was Mani a stalker, is JW religion a cult, does Prince have mental health issues and why won't he pay his bills.

Why don't ordinary people pay their bills? They don't have the money, they forget.

We assume Prince has the money, but as it's a rather substantial amount I don't think it's as easy as 1.2.3 bingo there you go, considering there was a lawsuit involved.

Maybe his brother was happy living in an appartment, maybe Prince did help finance it. Why buy an addict a house when she can't even buy food before drugs? She'd sell the house, she didn't want a house. Besides, buying people out of trouble doesn't help the person being bought. Self worth is derived from what you achieve on your own.

We don't know how many millions Prince has and remember assets are different to cashflow.

The more money someone has, the more everyone around them wants some. If you give away to all, you won't have any left. So where do you draw the line? The more you earn, the higher your expenditure, Prince has also invested a lot and probably still needs to service his loans.

I definitely wouldn't judge someone as selfish or stingy when I've never met them, know nothing about their internal lives or finances other than media sensation and whether they're being Christian like or not......? Well I wish people would look at themselves first before pointing fingers. Prince has given money away to charity recently and before, so I'm sure he does his Christian duty.

And by the way, no, I don't think the JW religion is a cult. It's a religion with its own beliefs and practices just like any other.

Yes, I do ask alot of questions. My ex-boyfriend used to say, "You ask alot of questions but that's good/ it's a sign of intelligence." haha- I know now everyone will tell me how dumb I am, I probably mispelled intelligence. Anyway, your right; normal people don't pay their bills because "they don't have the money" "they forget" that's what I was getting at; Prince HAS the money. Prince CAN"T forget. He has people handling his stuff who are paid NOT to forget, so that's my question: Why would a millionaire hundreds of times over, not pay people who have legitimately put in work for him, like his lawyers handling his divorce?

And everyone's right too; not my business if he buys his sister or his brother a house or puts them in rehab. Not my business, just don't know how you couldn't. There are some celebrities that you don't even have to ask how they feel about their family members; it's evident. Like PDiddy- I don't even like P Diddy- but it's obvious how he feels abou this mama, she's front row of every fashion show, dressed to the nines and dripping in diamonds!

As far as me asking about JW- I didn't say one derogatory thing, and I wouldn't ! I was just asking because there is a "Politics and Religion" on here and I seriously have the question because when I've tried to research them (only because I've been studying with them and have been thinking about visiting the Kingdom Hall) I immediatly, along with the good stuff that comes up, get CULT, so I was like, ???? what? , plus I've read other posts on the Org about them and even saw some people say CULT so thought I would ask why that keeps coming up?

PenelopePaige said:

I can understand why someone who's lost their job or that's balancing all their bills on some minimum wage salary may have to let a bill slide here and there, but why in the world would someone who has the kind of money Prince has, not pay the people who have honestly put in work for him? And why was his brother living in an apartment? Why wouldn't Prince at least buy him a modest house? And his sister too? I heard she spent years homeless, even if she were on drugs, why not buy her a modest house? He seems pretty selfish, I mean, he has hundreds of MILLIONS, how in the world is this man so stingy? It doesn't seem very Christian.........

What does paying your bills have to do with being Christian? & for the life of me I don't understand why we even care who Prince's owes for this or that bill. Some of the questions you are asking members of prince.org would not know.

PurpleLove7 said:

PenelopePaige said:

I can understand why someone who's lost their job or that's balancing all their bills on some minimum wage salary may have to let a bill slide here and there, but why in the world would someone who has the kind of money Prince has, not pay the people who have honestly put in work for him? And why was his brother living in an apartment? Why wouldn't Prince at least buy him a modest house? And his sister too? I heard she spent years homeless, even if she were on drugs, why not buy her a modest house? He seems pretty selfish, I mean, he has hundreds of MILLIONS, how in the world is this man so stingy? It doesn't seem very Christian.........

What does paying your bills have to do with being Christian? & for the life of me I don't understand why we even care who Prince's owes for this or that bill. Some of the questions you are asking members of prince.org would not know.

What paying your bills has to do with being Christian is that NOT paying them is akin to stealing. (One of the 10 commandments) You use the power, you pay the power bill. I can't understand why lawyers that have put in the work, don't get paid! That's all.....

PenelopePaige said:

Bohemian67 said:

Prince HAS the money. Prince CAN"T forget. He has people handling his stuff who are paid NOT to forget, so that's my question: Why would a millionaire hundreds of times over, not pay people who have legitimately put in work for him, like his lawyers handling his divorce?

Like PDiddy- I don't even like P Diddy- but it's obvious how he feels abou this mama, she's front row of every fashion show, dressed to the nines and dripping in diamonds!

I've tried to research them (only because I've been studying with them and have been thinking about visiting the Kingdom Hall) I immediatly, along with the good stuff that comes up, get CULT, so I was like, ???? what? , plus I've read other posts on the Org about them and even saw some people say CULT so thought I would ask why that keeps coming up?

I don't think it's as simple as "he has the money, why doesn't he pay people who work for him." If the bill is 700K, we're not talking small $ here. People with a lot of $ often get taken for a ride and overcharged because it's assumed they're swimming in cash. Maybe Prince or his lawyers/finance advisors don't agree with the amount. If this is in dispute then it becomes a cat and mouse game. Negotiating the amount and how it will be paid and when & it all takes time.

I don't really see PDiddy's dressing his Mother to the nines and in diamonds as love at all. It sounds like it's more for show. Besides, how many celebrities' parents do we see or know of who do that? I'm sure they're in the minority.

I would visit the Kingdom Hall if I were you. It's a lot more interactive than Church and there's no huge cross bearing down on you. That's all. Friendly, kind people, no cult. Why it always pops up in searches? Because people love conspiracy theories i think, and as NDRU said in another thread, the word Jehova is too "different" for people to accept. Yes, the religion has a few of its own beliefs and culture, like other religions. But like all of them it is based around one supreme being.

xt1000 said:

LOOK, Who cares if Mani or Bria are members here. Don't they have a right to be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are they fans still?

Bohemian67 said:

PenelopePaige said:

Prince HAS the money. Prince CAN"T forget. He has people handling his stuff who are paid NOT to forget, so that's my question: Why would a millionaire hundreds of times over, not pay people who have legitimately put in work for him, like his lawyers handling his divorce?

Like PDiddy- I don't even like P Diddy- but it's obvious how he feels abou this mama, she's front row of every fashion show, dressed to the nines and dripping in diamonds!

I've tried to research them (only because I've been studying with them and have been thinking about visiting the Kingdom Hall) I immediatly, along with the good stuff that comes up, get CULT, so I was like, ???? what? , plus I've read other posts on the Org about them and even saw some people say CULT so thought I would ask why that keeps coming up?

I don't think it's as simple as "he has the money, why doesn't he pay people who work for him." If the bill is 700K, we're not talking small $ here. People with a lot of $ often get taken for a ride and overcharged because it's assumed they're swimming in cash. Maybe Prince or his lawyers/finance advisors don't agree with the amount. If this is in dispute then it becomes a cat and mouse game. Negotiating the amount and how it will be paid and when & it all takes time.

I don't really see PDiddy's dressing his Mother to the nines and in diamonds as love at all. It sounds like it's more for show. Besides, how many celebrities' parents do we see or know of who do that? I'm sure they're in the minority.

I would visit the Kingdom Hall if I were you. It's a lot more interactive than Church and there's no huge cross bearing down on you. That's all. Friendly, kind people, no cult. Why it always pops up in searches? Because people love conspiracy theories i think, and as NDRU said in another thread, the word Jehova is too "different" for people to accept. Yes, the religion has a few of its own beliefs and culture, like other religions. But like all of them it is based around one supreme being.

That's a very reasonable answer. Maybe it is because he disagrees with the amount. I remember once reading in the 80's an article where Madonna said that when she stays in a hotel she goes over the bill with a fine tooth comb as they were always tacking on charges for things she didn't get because they thought she could afford it. So I do believe that is an option. I was just posing the question because it keeps coming up. Listen, I've been a Prince fan since way back and I want to believe he's wonderful in every way so I ask questions that I want to know. Thanks for answering without going crackers on me for asking such a thing

And yes, P Diddy is a big show off and that's why I dislike him- but boy does he treat his mama right! I'm sure Prince treated his mama right too though

As for the JW's I'm going with my gut and my gut says that they talk the talk and walk the walk and I am going to visit! Also, Jehovah is too "different" for people to accept, it does take some getting used to. But I watched a thing on History channel stating there were many different Gods, and I had never heard this! I was like, "Wait. Hold up. What?! Then who am I praying to!?" The JW lady explained to me, Jehovah is who you mean when you pray,so say his name and this made much sense.

It's not unlikely, nor probable, that the firm charges him way too much.

They claim around 700k while he paid them about 1,5 (they say)

Apparently, these lawyers represented Prince in the case where a perfume company sued him for failing to promote "3121" (bad case), then worked on finalizing his divorce with mani (also a bad case), and then represented him on suits for concerts he canceled in Dublin and California (terrible cases) while lastly, they helped him out when he got sued in 2006 by a basketball player for trashing his place with his symbol and 3121 logos all over it (completely hopeless case...).

If it's true that they dealt with all these cases, they likely put several hundreds of hours into them. Give or take a fee of about $600 per hour for honest lawyer labor, that would however not amount up to 700k just like that. Then again, that's excluding interests since 2006 and considering all these cases didn't stand a chance to begin with, it's not unlikely either that they had to put a an excessive amount of time and energy into them to settle them.

True costs are probably somewhere around 500k, me figures.

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[Edited 3/10/11 16:36pm]

SagsWay2low said:

Genesia said:

I know this won't be new to you...

That looks like some good ass koolaid

Marrk said:

xt1000 said:

LOOK, Who cares if Mani or Bria are members here. Don't they have a right to be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are they fans still?

Now that's a great question! How long after the Prince relationship, does the ex have to wait before she can start being a fan of the music again? But that's another topic.

In answer to the original question...who know why his bills aren't getting paid. I can't think of a good reason why he wouldn't make sure it is taken care of. To the original poster...why do you think he doesn't pay bills or buy his brother/sister a home??

Simple Answer....NUNYABZ....NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Take a deep breath, read, and learn. The man's music is always a safe ground for exploration.

PenelopePaige said:

PurpleLove7 said:

What does paying your bills have to do with being Christian? & for the life of me I don't understand why we even care who Prince's owes for this or that bill. Some of the questions you are asking members of prince.org would not know.

What paying your bills has to do with being Christian is that NOT paying them is akin to stealing. (One of the 10 commandments) You use the power, you pay the power bill. I can't understand why lawyers that have put in the work, don't get paid! That's all.....

True, but if you dispute the power bill don't you have the right to dispute it? Not to mention even Christians sin, Prince isn't perfect. So his sin is no greater than others, whether he is rich or not. Not paying your bills is not paying your bills.

So poor folks have a power bill of say $200, and their salary is $ 900/month. So they don't pay because they can't afford it. Power bill for a house the size of PP? Could be $5000+...I guess the only point there is everyone's bills and such are proportional to what they make. Someone screams about him not paying his taxes, normal folks don't pay taxes! Obviously his are more expensive than ours, so why is it so hard to believe/understant that maybe he just don't have the cash on hand to pay the bills?

Lots, and lots, and lots of celebs don't pay bills on time, Prince aint the only one. Wesley Snipes is in jail now because he refused to pay the taxes on his Blade trilogy salary. I believe he owed $9million off of $60million. Maybe it doesn't seem like a big deal, but having to give the government 9million dollars isn't an easy thing to swallow..

Jermaine Jackson, brother to MJ, lost his DL because he is behind on child support. Folks always say, "why don't he just pay." No one stops to think that maybe, just maybe he don't have 3million dollars in cash to just fork over. I don't know, celebs are just like us really, 3% of your income is still 3% of your income no matter who you are or how much you make.

That however doesn't mean folks shouldn't pay their bills. They should. I'm just saying Prince shouldn't be blasted for something that I can guarantee most folks have done or will do once in their life...pay a bill late (the reason isn't really important)!

[Edited 3/10/11 19:07pm]

CallMeCarrie said:

Marrk said:

Are they fans still?

Now that's a great question! How long after the Prince relationship, does the ex have to wait before she can start being a fan of the music again? But that's another topic.

In answer to the original question...who know why his bills aren't getting paid. I can't think of a good reason why he wouldn't make sure it is taken care of. To the original poster...why do you think he doesn't pay bills or buy his brother/sister a home??

It's starting to look to me like he may be a little stingy- but I could be wrong. Everybody on here keeps bitchin about how they paid their 77 dollars and didn't even get their lousy t-shirt- So I can't figure him out- At least shouldn't he apologize that people signed onto that website and didn't get what they were promised?

I know someone who knew his sister- she said she drove an old Contour and her driver side window was broken and she couldn't roll it up her down so that when she went through drive-thrus she had to open her damn door to order and I was like, "WHAT? Prince's sister?" that was when I first started suspecting he might should share more with his family. But who knows, maybe he shares and shares and shares. I don't know. I'm not saying that is a fact. I have never met his sister, don't know what she drives (I was told this in about 2002) and have no idea if this story is even true; but someone who knows her said it. Now dont' go screaming that I'm "Making shit up!" like I said, I have no idea if it's true or isn't.

I don't know what P does with his money and personally I don't wanna know aint none of my business. I don't know why he don't pay his bills but like someone else said it is easily done when he out on the road a lot with no manager. But I would like to remind people that he is financially responsible for a lot of people so whatever money he earns has a long way to stretch.

As to what he gives or does not give to family members - I would only like to say this - not all families deserve financial assistance from other better off family members. Not all families act like families should. i don't know about P's but I know mine give out little but want/demand much in return and they really haven't acted in a very "family way" if you know what I mean.

so I cannot judge.

PenelopePaige said:

CallMeCarrie said:

Now that's a great question! How long after the Prince relationship, does the ex have to wait before she can start being a fan of the music again? But that's another topic.

In answer to the original question...who know why his bills aren't getting paid. I can't think of a good reason why he wouldn't make sure it is taken care of. To the original poster...why do you think he doesn't pay bills or buy his brother/sister a home??

It's starting to look to me like he may be a little stingy- but I could be wrong. Everybody on here keeps bitchin about how they paid their 77 dollars and didn't even get their lousy t-shirt- So I can't figure him out- At least shouldn't he apologize that people signed onto that website and didn't get what they were promised?

I know someone who knew his sister- she said she drove an old Contour and her driver side window was broken and she couldn't roll it up her down so that when she went through drive-thrus she had to open her damn door to order and I was like, "WHAT? Prince's sister?" that was when I first started suspecting he might should share more with his family. But who knows, maybe he shares and shares and shares. I don't know. I'm not saying that is a fact. I have never met his sister, don't know what she drives (I was told this in about 2002) and have no idea if this story is even true; but someone who knows her said it. Now dont' go screaming that I'm "Making shit up!" like I said, I have no idea if it's true or isn't.

Penelope,

It's pretty hard for me to make the assumption that he is stingy based only on the things that we (as fans) hear about him, because it is only one side of the story. Yeah - it's easy for us to say that he should at least acknowledge publically when things do not happen ideally, i.e. not getting your free t-shirt when you joined the website, but who the hell knows what he was advised by people that he might be paying to take care of these things. The same thing goes for his family situation....we don't really know what the situation is. What is that saying about "walking a mile in my shoes?"

We can make assumptions and accusations against the decisions that he makes or we can speculate and defend his decisions in attempt to find a way that they are justified. But at the end of the day, we don't know why he does the things he does, because we aren't privy to all the details.

How much do his personal actions affect you?

Will you like his music more or less if you find out that he is indeed stingy?

Is part of the motivation of this thread to get other people to like him less?

For me - I like Prince the musician. His personal life...I'll leave that to him to be responsible for.

CallMeCarrie said:

PenelopePaige said:

It's starting to look to me like he may be a little stingy- but I could be wrong. Everybody on here keeps bitchin about how they paid their 77 dollars and didn't even get their lousy t-shirt- So I can't figure him out- At least shouldn't he apologize that people signed onto that website and didn't get what they were promised?

I know someone who knew his sister- she said she drove an old Contour and her driver side window was broken and she couldn't roll it up her down so that when she went through drive-thrus she had to open her damn door to order and I was like, "WHAT? Prince's sister?" that was when I first started suspecting he might should share more with his family. But who knows, maybe he shares and shares and shares. I don't know. I'm not saying that is a fact. I have never met his sister, don't know what she drives (I was told this in about 2002) and have no idea if this story is even true; but someone who knows her said it. Now dont' go screaming that I'm "Making shit up!" like I said, I have no idea if it's true or isn't.

Penelope,

It's pretty hard for me to make the assumption that he is stingy based only on the things that we (as fans) hear about him, because it is only one side of the story. Yeah - it's easy for us to say that he should at least acknowledge publically when things do not happen ideally, i.e. not getting your free t-shirt when you joined the website, but who the hell knows what he was advised by people that he might be paying to take care of these things. The same thing goes for his family situation....we don't really know what the situation is. What is that saying about "walking a mile in my shoes?"

We can make assumptions and accusations against the decisions that he makes or we can speculate and defend his decisions in attempt to find a way that they are justified. But at the end of the day, we don't know why he does the things he does, because we aren't privy to all the details.

How much do his personal actions affect you?

Will you like his music more or less if you find out that he is indeed stingy?

Is part of the motivation of this thread to get other people to like him less?

For me - I like Prince the musician. His personal life...I'll leave that to him to be responsible for.

No no no, I am not trying to get people to dislike Prince, I'm just saying, as a fan for 25 years, I've come to realize I don't like the MAN so much, the MUSIC I love!

But I'm not married to my ideas, I would love to find out that he is generous and nice, and that may be true, I hope to find out that he is because we want to think that our idols are perfect. I'll still buy his albums and I'll still think he's hot but everytime I hear something negative, it's a downer.

PenelopePaige said:

PurpleLove7 said:

What does paying your bills have to do with being Christian? & for the life of me I don't understand why we even care who Prince's owes for this or that bill. Some of the questions you are asking members of prince.org would not know.

What paying your bills has to do with being Christian is that NOT paying them is akin to stealing. (One of the 10 commandments) You use the power, you pay the power bill. I can't understand why lawyers that have put in the work, don't get paid! That's all.....

Cool, I get that ... I wonder when P pays em, which he will, will an article be written saying he paid them (like Star Tribune posted about his taxes for Paisley and other properties P has in Minnesota).

PurpleLove7 said:

PenelopePaige said:

What paying your bills has to do with being Christian is that NOT paying them is akin to stealing. (One of the 10 commandments) You use the power, you pay the power bill. I can't understand why lawyers that have put in the work, don't get paid! That's all.....

Cool, I get that ... I wonder when P pays em, which he will, will an article be written saying he paid them (like Star Tribune posted about his taxes for Paisley and other properties P has in Minnesota).

Very true. I'm sure the negative is talked about much more than the positve. That's a good point.

PenelopePaige said:

CallMeCarrie said:

Penelope,

It's pretty hard for me to make the assumption that he is stingy based only on the things that we (as fans) hear about him, because it is only one side of the story. Yeah - it's easy for us to say that he should at least acknowledge publically when things do not happen ideally, i.e. not getting your free t-shirt when you joined the website, but who the hell knows what he was advised by people that he might be paying to take care of these things. The same thing goes for his family situation....we don't really know what the situation is. What is that saying about "walking a mile in my shoes?"

We can make assumptions and accusations against the decisions that he makes or we can speculate and defend his decisions in attempt to find a way that they are justified. But at the end of the day, we don't know why he does the things he does, because we aren't privy to all the details.

How much do his personal actions affect you?

Will you like his music more or less if you find out that he is indeed stingy?

Is part of the motivation of this thread to get other people to like him less?

For me - I like Prince the musician. His personal life...I'll leave that to him to be responsible for.

No no no, I am not trying to get people to dislike Prince, I'm just saying, as a fan for 25 years, I've come to realize I don't like the MAN so much, the MUSIC I love!

But I'm not married to my ideas, I would love to find out that he is generous and nice, and that may be true, I hope to find out that he is because we want to think that our idols are perfect. I'll still buy his albums and I'll still think he's hot but everytime I hear something negative, it's a downer.

I agree with you on this...it is a downer when you hear something negative! But you find what you are looking for. So Penelope if you want to find out about his generosity and kindness, then that is what you should ask about and not about something negative. In my opinion anyways.

Well - whatever it is the you are hoping to learn about Prince through this topic, I hope you find it. Have a nice weekend~

Carrie

CallMeCarrie said:

PenelopePaige said:

No no no, I am not trying to get people to dislike Prince, I'm just saying, as a fan for 25 years, I've come to realize I don't like the MAN so much, the MUSIC I love!

But I'm not married to my ideas, I would love to find out that he is generous and nice, and that may be true, I hope to find out that he is because we want to think that our idols are perfect. I'll still buy his albums and I'll still think he's hot but everytime I hear something negative, it's a downer.

I agree with you on this...it is a downer when you hear something negative! But you find what you are looking for. So Penelope if you want to find out about his generosity and kindness, then that is what you should ask about and not about something negative. In my opinion anyways.

Well - whatever it is the you are hoping to learn about Prince through this topic, I hope you find it. Have a nice weekend~

Carrie

Thank you Carrie I hope you have a wonderful weekend too!

And I have learned something, that it IS possible that there are other issues at hand.

PenelopePaige said:

Bohemian67 said:

Thanks for answering without going crackers on me for asking such a thing

And yes, P Diddy is a big show off and that's why I dislike him- but boy does he treat his mama right! I'm sure Prince treated his mama right too though

As for the JW's I'm going with my gut and my gut says that they talk the talk and walk the walk and I am going to visit! Also, Jehovah is too "different" for people to accept, it does take some getting used to. But I watched a thing on History channel stating there were many different Gods, and I had never heard this! I was like, "Wait. Hold up. What?! Then who am I praying to!?" The JW lady explained to me, Jehovah is who you mean when you pray,so say his name and this made much sense.

You're welcome. I don't know why people react so aggressively. Maybe they have a lot of built up energy to release. I wouldn't worry about the negative stuff you hear about Prince when it comes to $. Anyone with those kind of bills will make the news and people love it. The press must sure be missing MJ.

SagsWay2low said:

mystifying1 said:

dear the devil is a nasty mf n he stinks wow simular

Um.... why is this a topic of discussion? Who gives a

PenelopePaige said:

I can understand why someone who's lost their job or that's balancing all their bills on some minimum wage salary may have to let a bill slide here and there, but why in the world would someone who has the kind of money Prince has, not pay the people who have honestly put in work for him? And why was his brother living in an apartment? Why wouldn't Prince at least buy him a modest house? And his sister too? I heard she spent years homeless, even if she were on drugs, why not buy her a modest house? He seems pretty selfish, I mean, he has hundreds of MILLIONS, how in the world is this man so stingy? It doesn't seem very Christian.........

......maybe because he's a Jehovah's Witness.

BTW - When you get paid can I get a car? A modest little 4 door would be fine.

I guess what throws me is that someone who doesn't know Prince, his sister, or his brother would speculate on why he doesn't buy them a house, or pay their bills.

My first question, where does it end? When you buy someone a house, what if they sell it? What if they're an addict and they sell the house for a gambling or drug habit ? What if Prince keeps the house in his name? Now he's responsible for whatever goes on in or outside the house: upkeep, renovations, taxes, illegal activity, etc. What if they think you have enough money to get them a bigger, better house, in a quiet area?

I recall one of his sisters trying to sue him for allegedly stealing lyrics from him. I think it was Lorna who accused him of stealing the lyrics to 'U Got The Look' from her. And then years later for another song. Would you help a sibling who tried to rip you off for thousands, possibly millions of dollars?

I wish I could say that I care, but I don't. He's a grown ass man and there is no reason for me to care how he handles his business. If it's not affecting me, my own business, my friends or loved ones, the whatever he does is on him, and doesn't register on my radar.