BlackandRising said:

PurpleKnight said:

There is a difference between stating something is false and stating that it is naive and simplistic. Lines like the one you're pointing out have truth in them, but it is so much more complex than that and includes so many factors that to reduce it just to that tritely expressed line is embarrassing and uninspiring.

It's just like when atheists critique the bible but then reduce it to similarly naive and simplistic comments about God being a dictator. Yawn.

yes it's more complex but that doesn't make what he said in the song any less true. In my opinion and experience, as someone who has lived without a mother figure for most of my life, it can be reduced to just that simple line. I mean, it's a line in a song...do you want a dissertation? Your post reads like you're trying to be overly intellectual when there's no need to be.

that's what i was saying. It might not be great poetry, but that does not mean the ideas cannot be thought provoking or contain truth.

I think maybe he tries to cover a bit too much ground with the song, and I don't agree with every line. But then, you identify with one line, I identify with another. He might be satisfied with those results!

BlackandRising said:

PurpleKnight said:

There is a difference between stating something is false and stating that it is naive and simplistic. Lines like the one you're pointing out have truth in them, but it is so much more complex than that and includes so many factors that to reduce it just to that tritely expressed line is embarrassing and uninspiring.

It's just like when atheists critique the bible but then reduce it to similarly naive and simplistic comments about God being a dictator. Yawn.

yes it's more complex but that doesn't make what he said in the song any less true. In my opinion and experience, as someone who has lived without a mother figure for most of my life, it can be reduced to just that simple line. I mean, it's a line in a song...do you want a dissertation? Your post reads like you're trying to be overly intellectual when there's no need to be.

Prince's songs on the Illuminati went OVER everyone's head. I've never even seen it mentioned here on the org.

Graycap23 said:

BlackandRising said:

yes it's more complex but that doesn't make what he said in the song any less true. In my opinion and experience, as someone who has lived without a mother figure for most of my life, it can be reduced to just that simple line. I mean, it's a line in a song...do you want a dissertation? Your post reads like you're trying to be overly intellectual when there's no need to be.

Prince's songs on the Illuminati went OVER everyone's head. I've never even seen it mentioned here on the org.

it must have! what song is this? I just finished reading a book on the Illuminati

BlackandRising said:

Graycap23 said:

Prince's songs on the Illuminati went OVER everyone's head. I've never even seen it mentioned here on the org.

it must have! what song is this? I just finished reading a book on the Illuminati

Go listen 2 the rap on "Muse 2 the Phoaroah" then listen 2 the Work.

Graycap23 said:

BlackandRising said:

it must have! what song is this? I just finished reading a book on the Illuminati

Go listen 2 the rap on "Muse 2 the Phoaroah" then listen 2 the Work.

ahhhh...13 being a bad luck number when there's no such thing as luck, and the "berries, talons, arrows and stars"...but The Work?

BlackandRising said:

Graycap23 said:

Go listen 2 the rap on "Muse 2 the Phoaroah" then listen 2 the Work.

ahhhh...13 being a bad luck number when there's no such thing as luck, and the "berries, talons, arrows and stars"...but The Work?

[img:$uid]http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo42/Graycap23/dollarbill.jpg[/img:$uid]

The work is talking about the "Ruling Class". Exactly who would that be?

Graycap23 said:

BlackandRising said:

ahhhh...13 being a bad luck number when there's no such thing as luck, and the "berries, talons, arrows and stars"...but The Work?

[img:$uid]http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo42/Graycap23/dollarbill.jpg[/img:$uid]

The work is talking about the "Ruling Class". Exactly who would that be?

all of this info was in the book I just read, but this pic really brings it home. It's incredible that they, if there really is a they, are so confident that they put it out there for every single American to see and read, and even when pointed out, it's dismissed.

BlackandRising said:

Graycap23 said:

[img:$uid]http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo42/Graycap23/dollarbill.jpg[/img:$uid]

The work is talking about the "Ruling Class". Exactly who would that be?

all of this info was in the book I just read, but this pic really brings it home. It's incredible that they, if there really is a they, are so confident that they put it out there for every single American to see and read, and even when pointed out, it's dismissed.

All of the so called analysis of Prince's work........and it seems MOST of it just goes right over people's heads.

BlackandRising said:

Graycap23 said:

[img:$uid]http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo42/Graycap23/dollarbill.jpg[/img:$uid]

The work is talking about the "Ruling Class". Exactly who would that be?

all of this info was in the book I just read, but this pic really brings it home. It's incredible that they, if there really is a they, are so confident that they put it out there for every single American to see and read, and even when pointed out, it's dismissed.

Read the Committee of 300.......u will KNOW who the THEY are.

Graycap23 said:

BlackandRising said:

all of this info was in the book I just read, but this pic really brings it home. It's incredible that they, if there really is a they, are so confident that they put it out there for every single American to see and read, and even when pointed out, it's dismissed.

All of the so called analysis of Prince's work........and it seems MOST of it just goes right over people's heads.

People are just now starting to talk about Illuminati..thanks to Jay Z and all his promo of it. I never paid what he said any attention until now hmm. However..there is nothing anyone can do about the "iluminati"..it is something that has been governed by the world long before we were here.

paisleypark4 said:

Graycap23 said:

All of the so called analysis of Prince's work........and it seems MOST of it just goes right over people's heads.

People are just now starting to talk about Illuminati..thanks to Jay Z and all his promo of it. I never paid what he said any attention until now hmm. However..there is nothing anyone can do about the "iluminati"..it is something that has been governed by the world long before we were here.

U are kidding right? People in the know have been talking about the Ill 4 decades.

Scroll 2 the bottom of this site. This record came out in the 1960's.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/300.htm

Graycap23 said:

BlackandRising said:

all of this info was in the book I just read, but this pic really brings it home. It's incredible that they, if there really is a they, are so confident that they put it out there for every single American to see and read, and even when pointed out, it's dismissed.

Read the Committee of 300.......u will KNOW who the THEY are.

downloading now thx

Graycap23 said:

paisleypark4 said:

People are just now starting to talk about Illuminati..thanks to Jay Z and all his promo of it. I never paid what he said any attention until now hmm. However..there is nothing anyone can do about the "iluminati"..it is something that has been governed by the world long before we were here.

U are kidding right? People in the know have been talking about the Ill 4 decades.

Scroll 2 the bottom of this site. This record came out in the 1960's.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/300.htm

No graycap...I mean the entertainment / singer songrwiter industry..where Prince falls in. Where it is starting to appear in interviews with celebrities.

BlackandRising said:

PurpleKnight said:

There is a difference between stating something is false and stating that it is naive and simplistic. Lines like the one you're pointing out have truth in them, but it is so much more complex than that and includes so many factors that to reduce it just to that tritely expressed line is embarrassing and uninspiring.

It's just like when atheists critique the bible but then reduce it to similarly naive and simplistic comments about God being a dictator. Yawn.

yes it's more complex but that doesn't make what he said in the song any less true. In my opinion and experience, as someone who has lived without a mother figure for most of my life, it can be reduced to just that simple line. I mean, it's a line in a song...do you want a dissertation? Your post reads like you're trying to be overly intellectual when there's no need to be.

I want lyrics to either be really poetic or, if they're covering a complex issue, respect its complexities.

It is clear from a song like Colonized Mind that Prince is only able to offer trite insights on the subject. They may have touched you, but they sure didn't touch me. Oh well.

Maybe he can write a song about neoliberal globalization with lyrics like "We need to get along and love each other." Again, it wouldn't necessarily be untrue that such is the case, but it would hardly be inspiring content on such a complex issue. Thus, if you can't write about such a thing in a manner that respects its complexities (at least to a bare minimum degree), don't write about it at all.

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PurpleKnight said:

BlackandRising said:

yes it's more complex but that doesn't make what he said in the song any less true. In my opinion and experience, as someone who has lived without a mother figure for most of my life, it can be reduced to just that simple line. I mean, it's a line in a song...do you want a dissertation? Your post reads like you're trying to be overly intellectual when there's no need to be.

I want lyrics to either be really poetic or, if they're covering a complex issue, respect its complexities.

It is clear from a song like Colonized Mind that Prince is only able to offer trite insights on the subject. They may have touched you, but they sure didn't touch me. Oh well.

Maybe he can write a song about neoliberal globalization with lyrics like "We need to get along and love each other." Again, it wouldn't necessarily be untrue that such is the case, but it would hardly be inspiring content on such a complex issue. Thus, if you can't write about such a thing in a manner that respects its complexities (at least to a bare minimum degree), don't write about it at all.

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Well, what you want and what he does are two very different things. Songs are best when they say what they say succinctly and with brevity. Again, you seem to revel in trying to explain everything in uber-intellectual terms. It looks nice. But, for instance, your reference to "trite insights" is again your opinion, while I, who experienced what he references in the song, feel that what he said about it is pretty much the bottom line. I don't need a dissertation. I take what he says, or any artist who says what they mean with brevity, and extrapolate it out to discern the complexities myself. I'd rather do that than have it spelled out to me, but that's just me.

Graycap23 said:

All of the so called analysis of Prince's work........and it seems MOST of it just goes right over people's heads.

Very true.

PurpleKnight said:

I want lyrics to either be really poetic or, if they're covering a complex issue, respect its complexities.

It is clear from a song like Colonized Mind that Prince is only able to offer trite insights on the subject. They may have touched you, but they sure didn't touch me. Oh well.

Maybe he can write a song about neoliberal globalization with lyrics like "We need to get along and love each other." Again, it wouldn't necessarily be untrue that such is the case, but it would hardly be inspiring content on such a complex issue. Thus, if you can't write about such a thing in a manner that respects its complexities (at least to a bare minimum degree), don't write about it at all.

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Ah, but when he elaborates he gets criticized for being too preachy.

PurpleKnight said:

BlackandRising said:

yes it's more complex but that doesn't make what he said in the song any less true. In my opinion and experience, as someone who has lived without a mother figure for most of my life, it can be reduced to just that simple line. I mean, it's a line in a song...do you want a dissertation? Your post reads like you're trying to be overly intellectual when there's no need to be.

I want lyrics to either be really poetic or, if they're covering a complex issue, respect its complexities.

I'm surprised you like Prince at all!

paisleypark4 said:

Graycap23 said:

U are kidding right? People in the know have been talking about the Ill 4 decades.

Scroll 2 the bottom of this site. This record came out in the 1960's.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/300.htm

No graycap...I mean the entertainment / singer songrwiter industry..where Prince falls in. Where it is starting to appear in interviews with celebrities.

These folks know what's up. It started with the BEATLES.

Graycap23 said:

paisleypark4 said:

No graycap...I mean the entertainment / singer songrwiter industry..where Prince falls in. Where it is starting to appear in interviews with celebrities.

These folks know what's up. It started with the BEATLES.

I wonder if MJ was part of the illuminati too

Anyway I meant that singers actuially started really coming out about it in this generation alot more so that they ever had in the past.

Graycap23 said:

paisleypark4 said:

No graycap...I mean the entertainment / singer songrwiter industry..where Prince falls in. Where it is starting to appear in interviews with celebrities.

These folks know what's up. It started with the BEATLES.

It has laughably ignorant lyrics and the music/melody is ripped off from this song:

So, all in all...

BlackandRising said:

I take what he says, or any artist who says what they mean with brevity, and extrapolate it out to discern the complexities myself. I'd rather do that than have it spelled out to me, but that's just me.

That's exactly how I feel about it.

After realy getting know Christ I started to see the world just like the lyrics .