Spinlight said:

2elijah said:

Actually, no offense at all. I know the deal with that. But it is "weird" that you took offense to someone associating Sheila E with the term "Black". I was just calling you on it. As a matter of fact, if you weren't so concerned about what I thought about it, you would not have responded. But it's okay, I understand. Carry on sweetcakes.

Now what was this thread about?

[Edited 2/17/11 13:45pm]

You're mistaken. You fill up your posts with lies and inaccuracies and guesstimations. I am not scared of her associating with the term black, I am saying she isn't black. For some reason, you think Teena Marie and Sheila E should get honorary African American cards. Cool. But they still aren't black. And the term "sista" and the term "brotha" come from black roots.

sis·ter

noun \ˈsis-tər\

Definition of SISTER

1

: a female who has one or both parents in common with another

2

often capitalizeda : a member of a women's religious order (as of nuns or deaconesses); especially : one of a Roman Catholic congregation under simple vowsb : a girl or woman who is a member of a Christian church

3

a : a girl or woman regarded as a comradeb : a girl or woman who shares with another a common national or racial origin; especially : a black girl or woman

4

: one that is closely similar to or associated with another<sister cities>

5

chiefly British : nurse

6

a : girl, womanb : person —usually used in the phrase weak sister

7

: a member of a sorority

See sister defined for English-language learners »

Merriam-Webster says you're wrong. Because Sheila E is not black.

Exactly which part of...Sheila E is of Mexican, African American, and Creole heritage, do you not understand?

She has ALWAYS proudly embraced the BLACK part of her heritage! As she clearly displayed just last week...

Sheila E was on the Black Owned Cable Channel, TV One. On an episode of the show they created to celebrate Black History Month called "Way Black When". Talking about herself, her family and Prince.

http://wayblackwhen.tvone...-sheila-e/

So seriously...why is Sheila E being Black so fucking hard for you to accept?

jason7sh said:

STOP THE ARGUMENT OVER RACE. I'M A WHITE MALE OF SCOTTISH/ENGLISH DECENT. I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT BUT SHEILA E. IS IDENTIFIABLY BLACK. SHE IS A SISTA. COMPARE HER FEATURES WITH JODY WATLEY. AFRICAN AMERICANS COME IN ALL COLORS AND SHADES. THE SLAVE SHIPS DROPPED AFRICANS OFF ALL OVER THE CARRIBEAN AND LATIN AMERICA. DO SOME RESEARCH PEOPLE. MEXICO HAS LARGE AFRICAN MONUMENTS FROM THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. THAT MEANS THAT AFRICANS WERE THERE. SHEILA'S MEXICAN ROOTS ARE AFRICAN ROOTS. IF A DNA TEST WERE DONE ON ALL OF US, IT'LL SHOW THAT WE ALL CAME FROM AFRICA. EVEN MY PALE, SKINNY WHITE A _ _...

Sheila E is a multiethnic person plain and simple, she is a mexican creole black Multiracial person, I don't know why this just boils the blood of 1droppist whites & blacks.

And in your estimation Jody Watley is some 100% Black woman by genetics lol

Jody Watley in the 1980's was marked as one of the most beautiful women in pop culture and her 'mixed' features were the reason why. If she had more distinct African features then she would not have been recognized. She was considered exotic, which is in, in the 1980's. Phylicia Rashad-Allen (Claire Huxtable) was another in the 1980's and for the same reason.

Your thoughts sound just like the white slave traders who refused to acknowledge that white men were raping African slave women, when mulatto kids were popping up, by saying "Africans came over in all shades" that's a bunch of crap!!

How can Sheila E. be identifiably Black? What the hell does that mean, Anyone can have some African heritage? If you did would that in turn make you black? and then why wouldn't that go the other way. If someone has white blood/Euro mixture, why can't they be white then?

Mexico does not adhere to America's One Drop Rule. Go talk to Mexicans and tell them they are Black and see what kind of reaction you get.

And I seriously doubt you would change your racial designation if you found you had recent African/Black mixture.

To take the bloods of the Native people of Mexico, the Africans brought their and the Spaniards and minimize it to Black is a slap in the face of all those people.

Those who say Sheila is Creole(black/French) from her mother side and minize it to just Black are ignorant of what Creole's are. 1st def of a Creole is an ethnic French person not born on French soil, but born in the Americas, 2nd def of a Creole is a person of French + Spanish(Euro) heritage, 3rd is a person of Black/French heritage. this last one tend to be people thru generations of mixing with other "Black/French" creoles as well as other creoles. To minize that person or those people to just being Black is racist and disrespectful of the line of heritage.

http://www.frenchcreoles.com/

http://www.creolehistory.com/

The one-drop theory (or one-drop rule) is the colloquial term for the standard, found throughout the USA, that holds that a person with even one drop of non-white ancestry should be classified as "colored", especially for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage. This standard has also been applied to people with Native American ancestry.

One-drop theory is still influential in the USA - by de facto American color standards, a multiracial person with black heritage is considered black unless they declare themselves otherwise, identifying instead as white, mixed-race or Native American, for example (different color standards can be seen in countries such as Brazil). These standards are widely rejected in the Latino community in the USA, the majority of which is mixed race.

The theory was codified in law in some states, although the expression colored was often used, at least acknowledging the presence of non-black ancestry. For example, as cited in the Loving v. Virginia decision[1] (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=388&invol=1&friend=oyez), Virginia law (Racial Integrity Law of 1924) held that for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage, "Every person in whom there is ascertainable any Negro blood shall be deemed and taken to be a colored person, and every person not a colored person having one fourth or more of American Indian blood shall be deemed an American Indian; except that members of Indian tribes existing in this Commonwealth having one fourth or more of Indian blood and less than one sixteenth of Negro blood shall be deemed tribal Indians."

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Spinlight said:

Exactly which part of...Sheila E is of Mexican, African American, and Creole heritage, do you not understand?

She has ALWAYS proudly embraced the BLACK part of her heritage! As she clearly displayed just last week...

Sheila E was on the Black Owned Cable Channel, TV One. On an episode of the show they created to celebrate Black History Month called "Way Black When". Talking about herself, her family and Prince.

http://wayblackwhen.tvone...-sheila-e/

So seriously...why is Sheila E being Black so fucking hard for you to accept?

He doesn't have a problem with her being part Black, it's when someone takes her Mexican Creole and AA heritage and conclude that she is Black. She is multiracial.

Spinlight said:

2elijah said:

There's actually nothing "race-bending" about anything I stated nor am I playing any "game of semantics" here. It's funny how you and others are quick to throw those types of comments at others, like in your previous post, but when called on your bullsh*t, you can't step up to the plate or back it up. Nothing new, and with that, being said, I'll leave you to your ignorance. Carry on.

You haven't called me on my bullshit because there's no bullshit coming from this way. I'm sorry I didn't play into your bait, but I can see from a mile away your game. It's cool.

Weird that you somehow take offense to Sheila E not being black.

Your arguing with the mentality that says 1 Drop of black blood makes you black.

Your arguing with the mentality that says "In Africa we were all Kings & Queens"

Your arguing with a group of peoples self esteem by 'claiming' everyone with a great great great grandmother who was black, to be black to raise their pride.

OldFriends4Sale said:

He doesn't have a problem with her being part Black, it's when someone takes her Mexican Creole and AA heritage and conclude that she is Black. She is multiracial.

Are you a Spinlight alter or something? If not...why are you answering a question that I asked of him, with your misconstrued opinion?

OldFriends4Sale said:

jason7sh said:

STOP THE ARGUMENT OVER RACE. I'M A WHITE MALE OF SCOTTISH/ENGLISH DECENT. I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT BUT SHEILA E. IS IDENTIFIABLY BLACK. SHE IS A SISTA. COMPARE HER FEATURES WITH JODY WATLEY. AFRICAN AMERICANS COME IN ALL COLORS AND SHADES. THE SLAVE SHIPS DROPPED AFRICANS OFF ALL OVER THE CARRIBEAN AND LATIN AMERICA. DO SOME RESEARCH PEOPLE. MEXICO HAS LARGE AFRICAN MONUMENTS FROM THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. THAT MEANS THAT AFRICANS WERE THERE. SHEILA'S MEXICAN ROOTS ARE AFRICAN ROOTS. IF A DNA TEST WERE DONE ON ALL OF US, IT'LL SHOW THAT WE ALL CAME FROM AFRICA. EVEN MY PALE, SKINNY WHITE A _ _...

Sheila E is a multiethnic person plain and simple, she is a mexican creole black Multiracial person, I don't know why this just boils the blood of 1droppist whites & blacks.

And in your estimation Jody Watley is some 100% Black woman by genetics lol

Jody Watley in the 1980's was marked as one of the most beautiful women in pop culture and her 'mixed' features were the reason why. If she had more distinct African features then she would not have been recognized. She was considered exotic, which is in, in the 1980's. Phylicia Rashad-Allen (Claire Huxtable) was another in the 1980's and for the same reason.

Your thoughts sound just like the white slave traders who refused to acknowledge that white men were raping African slave women, when mulatto kids were popping up, by saying "Africans came over in all shades" that's a bunch of crap!!

How can Sheila E. be identifiably Black? What the hell does that mean, Anyone can have some African heritage? If you did would that in turn make you black? and then why wouldn't that go the other way. If someone has white blood/Euro mixture, why can't they be white then?

Mexico does not adhere to America's One Drop Rule. Go talk to Mexicans and tell them they are Black and see what kind of reaction you get.

And I seriously doubt you would change your racial designation if you found you had recent African/Black mixture.

To take the bloods of the Native people of Mexico, the Africans brought their and the Spaniards and minimize it to Black is a slap in the face of all those people.

Those who say Sheila is Creole(black/French) from her mother side and minize it to just Black are ignorant of what Creole's are. 1st def of a Creole is an ethnic French person not born on French soil, but born in the Americas, 2nd def of a Creole is a person of French + Spanish(Euro) heritage, 3rd is a person of Black/French heritage. this last one tend to be people thru generations of mixing with other "Black/French" creoles as well as other creoles. To minize that person or those people to just being Black is racist and disrespectful of the line of heritage.

http://www.frenchcreoles.com/

http://www.creolehistory.com/

The one-drop theory (or one-drop rule) is the colloquial term for the standard, found throughout the USA, that holds that a person with even one drop of non-white ancestry should be classified as "colored", especially for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage. This standard has also been applied to people with Native American ancestry.

One-drop theory is still influential in the USA - by de facto American color standards, a multiracial person with black heritage is considered black unless they declare themselves otherwise, identifying instead as white, mixed-race or Native American, for example (different color standards can be seen in countries such as Brazil). These standards are widely rejected in the Latino community in the USA, the majority of which is mixed race.

The theory was codified in law in some states, although the expression colored was often used, at least acknowledging the presence of non-black ancestry. For example, as cited in the Loving v. Virginia decision[1] (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=388&invol=1&friend=oyez), Virginia law (Racial Integrity Law of 1924) held that for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage, "Every person in whom there is ascertainable any Negro blood shall be deemed and taken to be a colored person, and every person not a colored person having one fourth or more of American Indian blood shall be deemed an American Indian; except that members of Indian tribes existing in this Commonwealth having one fourth or more of Indian blood and less than one sixteenth of Negro blood shall be deemed tribal Indians."

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS.

Spinlight said:

2elijah said:

Actually, no offense at all. I know the deal with that. But it is "weird" that you took offense to someone associating Sheila E with the term "Black". I was just calling you on it. As a matter of fact, if you weren't so concerned about what I thought about it, you would not have responded. But it's okay, I understand. Carry on sweetcakes.

Now what was this thread about?

[Edited 2/17/11 13:45pm]

You're mistaken. You fill up your posts with lies and inaccuracies and guesstimations. I am not scared of her associating with the term black, I am saying she isn't black. For some reason, you think Teena Marie and Sheila E should get honorary African American cards. Cool. But they still aren't black. And the term "sista" and the term "brotha" come from black roots.

sis·ter

noun \ˈsis-tər\

Definition of SISTER

1

: a female who has one or both parents in common with another

2

often capitalizeda : a member of a women's religious order (as of nuns or deaconesses); especially : one of a Roman Catholic congregation under simple vowsb : a girl or woman who is a member of a Christian church

3

a : a girl or woman regarded as a comradeb : a girl or woman who shares with another a common national or racial origin; especially : a black girl or woman

4

: one that is closely similar to or associated with another<sister cities>

5

chiefly British : nurse

6

a : girl, womanb : person —usually used in the phrase weak sister

7

: a member of a sorority

See sister defined for English-language learners »

Merriam-Webster says you're wrong. Because Sheila E is not black.

LMAO.. you're telling me a "sista" who happens to be one...where the term "sista" came from? I do believe I know the meaning of that, and can speak from a Black American female's point of view on that term. How 'bout you?

You do not understand why many in the Black community embrace Sheila as a "sista" because you don't fully understand the reference to the term "sista" or why many in that community embrace her as one, because you don't want to understand it. The term has already been explained to you "thoroughly," yet you refuse to open that closed mind of yours. Don't let your paranoia set in, no one is trying to "play games" or twist sh*t or lay "claim" to Sheila E. A few of us are just explaining from our own, personal experiences, how the term "sista" is often referenced by many members of our community.

To throw up the definition of "sister" to define the slang term "sista", and the way the latter term is used and referenced among many within the Black community, does not add anything to your point.

Next time come to the table with information wearing the right-sized shoes, instead of shoes that don't fit. You claim you don't want to waste time reading what I post about it, yet you continue to respond. So obviously your nerves are ruffled by what I and others have posted about thist, and that's why you continue to respond. We can go on and on about this, and it won't change my opinion or yours, so either we can agree to disagree or you could continue fooling yourself, as though you know what you're talking about. From here on in, refer to Jason's posts, maybe you may learn something.

With that being said, you'll be alright. . Have a great evening.

[Edited 2/17/11 17:41pm]

Yikes!

I wonder what Sheila would say if she read this thread, with total strangers discussing her "sista-ness"

Weird thread.

I thought it was about a pretty, young girl supposedly dating an elderly rock star.

Stay focused people, stay on topic.

Ok, let's go back to making fun of Prince.

[Edited 2/17/11 16:59pm]

jason7sh said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sheila E is a multiethnic person plain and simple, she is a mexican creole black Multiracial person, I don't know why this just boils the blood of 1droppist whites & blacks.

And in your estimation Jody Watley is some 100% Black woman by genetics lol

Jody Watley in the 1980's was marked as one of the most beautiful women in pop culture and her 'mixed' features were the reason why. If she had more distinct African features then she would not have been recognized. She was considered exotic, which is in, in the 1980's. Phylicia Rashad-Allen (Claire Huxtable) was another in the 1980's and for the same reason.

Your thoughts sound just like the white slave traders who refused to acknowledge that white men were raping African slave women, when mulatto kids were popping up, by saying "Africans came over in all shades" that's a bunch of crap!!

How can Sheila E. be identifiably Black? What the hell does that mean, Anyone can have some African heritage? If you did would that in turn make you black? and then why wouldn't that go the other way. If someone has white blood/Euro mixture, why can't they be white then?

Mexico does not adhere to America's One Drop Rule. Go talk to Mexicans and tell them they are Black and see what kind of reaction you get.

And I seriously doubt you would change your racial designation if you found you had recent African/Black mixture.

To take the bloods of the Native people of Mexico, the Africans brought their and the Spaniards and minimize it to Black is a slap in the face of all those people.

Those who say Sheila is Creole(black/French) from her mother side and minize it to just Black are ignorant of what Creole's are. 1st def of a Creole is an ethnic French person not born on French soil, but born in the Americas, 2nd def of a Creole is a person of French + Spanish(Euro) heritage, 3rd is a person of Black/French heritage. this last one tend to be people thru generations of mixing with other "Black/French" creoles as well as other creoles. To minize that person or those people to just being Black is racist and disrespectful of the line of heritage.

http://www.frenchcreoles.com/

http://www.creolehistory.com/

The one-drop theory (or one-drop rule) is the colloquial term for the standard, found throughout the USA, that holds that a person with even one drop of non-white ancestry should be classified as "colored", especially for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage. This standard has also been applied to people with Native American ancestry.

One-drop theory is still influential in the USA - by de facto American color standards, a multiracial person with black heritage is considered black unless they declare themselves otherwise, identifying instead as white, mixed-race or Native American, for example (different color standards can be seen in countries such as Brazil). These standards are widely rejected in the Latino community in the USA, the majority of which is mixed race.

The theory was codified in law in some states, although the expression colored was often used, at least acknowledging the presence of non-black ancestry. For example, as cited in the Loving v. Virginia decision[1] (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=388&invol=1&friend=oyez), Virginia law (Racial Integrity Law of 1924) held that for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage, "Every person in whom there is ascertainable any Negro blood shall be deemed and taken to be a colored person, and every person not a colored person having one fourth or more of American Indian blood shall be deemed an American Indian; except that members of Indian tribes existing in this Commonwealth having one fourth or more of Indian blood and less than one sixteenth of Negro blood shall be deemed tribal Indians."

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS.

Oh Please Family Name are you kidding me lol

I don't mean to step on your low self esteem.

To look back into history and redefine people according to racist ideology makes you a racist as well.

You probably believe that Africa was always the continent that it is today, since the beginning of time right? You probably believe all the continents were always in the place that they were in?

Jesus was black, Adam & Eve were Black etc etc

Do I believe that the region that we now call Africa is where even science has said human kind began? YES. More specifically it was the Eastern African/Middle Eastern parts

You can't even claim relation to the Moors because your people didn't come from them, they came from Western/Central Africa

Here's a note to the peanut gallery...

No one EVER said...Sheila E was just Black but your saying that she is NOT Black is disrespectful to HER and HER heritage!

SHE knows far better than any of you ever will...exactly who SHE is and who SHE is identifies HERSELF as!

So take your dime store psychology and try to figure out why you have such a problem with it being said that she is Black because you're the ones with the hangups and the issues!

V10LETBLUES said:

Yikes!

I wonder what Sheila would say if she read this thread, with total strangers discussing her "sista-ness"

Weird thread.

I thought it was about a pretty, young girl supposedly dating an elderly rock star.

Stay focused people, stay on topic.

Ok, let's go back to making fun of Prince.

[Edited 2/17/11 16:59pm]

this topic has brought out engrained racist ideologies

Misty is a beautiful talented woman. I don't think they are dating. Do you?

V10LETBLUES said:

Yikes!

I wonder what Sheila would say if she read this thread, with total strangers discussing her "sista-ness"

Weird thread.

I thought it was about a pretty, young girl supposedly dating an elderly rock star.

Stay focused people, stay on topic.

Ok, let's go back to making fun of Prince.

What's surprising is that usually the debate would be about whether or not Prince and Sheila really dated. So at least this is a new and interesting twist.

OldFriends4Sale said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Yikes!

I wonder what Sheila would say if she read this thread, with total strangers discussing her "sista-ness"

Weird thread.

I thought it was about a pretty, young girl supposedly dating an elderly rock star.

Stay focused people, stay on topic.

Ok, let's go back to making fun of Prince.

[Edited 2/17/11 16:59pm]

this topic has brought out engrained racist ideologies

Misty is a beautiful talented woman. I don't think they are dating. Do you?

It most certainly did! Mainly from YOU!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Spinlight said:

Exactly which part of...Sheila E is of Mexican, African American, and Creole heritage, do you not understand?

She has ALWAYS proudly embraced the BLACK part of her heritage! As she clearly displayed just last week...

Sheila E was on the Black Owned Cable Channel, TV One. On an episode of the show they created to celebrate Black History Month called "Way Black When". Talking about herself, her family and Prince.

http://wayblackwhen.tvone...-sheila-e/

So seriously...why is Sheila E being Black so fucking hard for you to accept?

I don't get it either. Sheila indentifies with her black and hispanic roots as a black latina. We claim her 'cuz she claims us...simple.

It's disturbing that anytime someone chooses to identify with black racial/cultural aspects of their heritage they get questioned/second guessed/scrutinized to withing an inch of their lives. We don't really see that with any other race/ethnicity.

IMO no amount of pseudo-academic pontificating is more important than a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit...period. Same for Misty or anyone else.

V10LETBLUES said:

Yikes!

I wonder what Sheila would say if she read this thread, with total strangers discussing her "sista-ness"

Weird thread.

I thought it was about a pretty, young girl supposedly dating an elderly rock star.

Stay focused people, stay on topic.

Ok, let's go back to making fun of Prince.

[Edited 2/17/11 16:59pm]

Wtf?

I have no idea who Prince is dating and I'm okay with that. Misty is very talented and added something good to the show by all accounts plus she's cute as a button.

babynoz said:

Wtf?

I have no idea who Prince is dating and I'm okay with that. Misty is very talented and added something good to the show by all accounts plus she's cute as a button.

jason7sh said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sheila E is a multiethnic person plain and simple, she is a mexican creole black Multiracial person, I don't know why this just boils the blood of 1droppist whites & blacks.

And in your estimation Jody Watley is some 100% Black woman by genetics lol

Jody Watley in the 1980's was marked as one of the most beautiful women in pop culture and her 'mixed' features were the reason why. If she had more distinct African features then she would not have been recognized. She was considered exotic, which is in, in the 1980's. Phylicia Rashad-Allen (Claire Huxtable) was another in the 1980's and for the same reason.

Your thoughts sound just like the white slave traders who refused to acknowledge that white men were raping African slave women, when mulatto kids were popping up, by saying "Africans came over in all shades" that's a bunch of crap!!

How can Sheila E. be identifiably Black? What the hell does that mean, Anyone can have some African heritage? If you did would that in turn make you black? and then why wouldn't that go the other way. If someone has white blood/Euro mixture, why can't they be white then?

Mexico does not adhere to America's One Drop Rule. Go talk to Mexicans and tell them they are Black and see what kind of reaction you get.

And I seriously doubt you would change your racial designation if you found you had recent African/Black mixture.

To take the bloods of the Native people of Mexico, the Africans brought their and the Spaniards and minimize it to Black is a slap in the face of all those people.

Those who say Sheila is Creole(black/French) from her mother side and minize it to just Black are ignorant of what Creole's are. 1st def of a Creole is an ethnic French person not born on French soil, but born in the Americas, 2nd def of a Creole is a person of French + Spanish(Euro) heritage, 3rd is a person of Black/French heritage. this last one tend to be people thru generations of mixing with other "Black/French" creoles as well as other creoles. To minize that person or those people to just being Black is racist and disrespectful of the line of heritage.

http://www.frenchcreoles.com/

http://www.creolehistory.com/

The one-drop theory (or one-drop rule) is the colloquial term for the standard, found throughout the USA, that holds that a person with even one drop of non-white ancestry should be classified as "colored", especially for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage. This standard has also been applied to people with Native American ancestry.

One-drop theory is still influential in the USA - by de facto American color standards, a multiracial person with black heritage is considered black unless they declare themselves otherwise, identifying instead as white, mixed-race or Native American, for example (different color standards can be seen in countries such as Brazil). These standards are widely rejected in the Latino community in the USA, the majority of which is mixed race.

The theory was codified in law in some states, although the expression colored was often used, at least acknowledging the presence of non-black ancestry. For example, as cited in the Loving v. Virginia decision[1] (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=388&invol=1&friend=oyez), Virginia law (Racial Integrity Law of 1924) held that for the purposes of laws forbidding inter-racial marriage, "Every person in whom there is ascertainable any Negro blood shall be deemed and taken to be a colored person, and every person not a colored person having one fourth or more of American Indian blood shall be deemed an American Indian; except that members of Indian tribes existing in this Commonwealth having one fourth or more of Indian blood and less than one sixteenth of Negro blood shall be deemed tribal Indians."

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS.

Tell it like it is Jason. I'm glad somebody is finally spreading some real knowledge and not some "made-up" bs.

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jason7sh said:

STOP THE ARGUMENT OVER RACE. I'M A WHITE MALE OF SCOTTISH/ENGLISH DECENT. I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT BUT SHEILA E. IS IDENTIFIABLY BLACK. SHE IS A SISTA. COMPARE HER FEATURES WITH JODY WATLEY. AFRICAN AMERICANS COME IN ALL COLORS AND SHADES. THE SLAVE SHIPS DROPPED AFRICANS OFF ALL OVER THE CARRIBEAN AND LATIN AMERICA. DO SOME RESEARCH PEOPLE. MEXICO HAS LARGE AFRICAN MONUMENTS FROM THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. THAT MEANS THAT AFRICANS WERE THERE. SHEILA'S MEXICAN ROOTS ARE AFRICAN ROOTS. IF A DNA TEST WERE DONE ON ALL OF US, IT'LL SHOW THAT WE ALL CAME FROM AFRICA. EVEN MY PALE, SKINNY WHITE A _ _...

jason7sh said:

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS

This is why the elite continues to rule the world.

They keep us focusing on foolishness.

Divide & conquer.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

[img:$uid]http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2084/9118410/23615037/395207538.jpg[/img:$uid]

am melting with U

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"Lemon Crush"

OMG, I wish I had those arms and those legs! Gorgeous.

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS.

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silkylee said:

jason7sh said:

jason7sh said:

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS

THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY.

LOL are you for real? Your mind is so infused with our centuries RACIST ideas of Blacks being inferior that you combined American Trans Atlantic Slavery with Egypt?

Are "blacks" always enslaved and raped??

No a lot of the 'lighter skinned' Egyptians as you call it are not even originally Egyptian they are Arabs/Middle Easterns.

Greeks & Romans INVADED and RAPED the NUBIANs of Egypt?? Are you kidding me, and you say I know nothing of African history?? Egypt was the center of civilization in that part of the world (the Orient had their vast wisdom and civilization too) so Egypt wasn't IT.

Greeks, Middle Easterns, Nubians, Ethiopians, Hebrews traded with Egypt. Greeks Middle Easterns, Nubians, Ethiopians & Hebrews were enslaved by Egyptians. Your racist mind is warped to reverse the story lol

In trading and commerce of course ethnic mixing takes place because there was no problem. When Rome became a world power the same thing happened. Roman had Egypt as an ally at times,, Not enslaved. Cleopatra was a Greek, Mark Athony didn't enslave Egypt...

your way off in your history son

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS.

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^^^ LOL

2elijah said:

jason7sh said:

OLDFRIENDSFORSALE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF AFRICAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND PHYSICAL FEATURES IS TOTALLY VOID. SET ASIDE JODY WATLEY, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE BEAUTIFUL PURE AFRICAN FEATURES OF SUPERMODEL IMAN AND SHE'S FROM ETHIOPIA. ETHIOPIANS AND SOMOLIANS HAVE VERY DISTINCT FEATURES, IE, LONG WAVEY HAIR, THIN LIPS, SMOOTH JAW LINES AND THIN NOSES. THE ORIGINAL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK. THE REAL NAME OF EGYPT WAS KEMET, WHICH MEANS THE LAND OF THE BLACK AND BURNT SKINNED PEOPLE. STUDY THEIR ART, PAINTINGS AND THE KEBRANEGAST BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE GREEKS. THE REASON THAT THEY ARE LIGHT SKINNED TODAY IS BECAUSE THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS INVADED THEIR LAND. THEY ENSLAVED THE MEN AND RAPED THE WOMEN TO PRODUCE THE LIGHTER HUE EGYPTIAN TODAY. YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT, SO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT ALONE DUDE. JODY WATLEY ISN'T BEAUTIFUL JUST BECAUSE SHE HAS BLOOD MIXED WITH WHITES. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ITALIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOOD MIXED WITH AFRICANS. TAKE A LOOK AT SPAIN AND THE BLACK MOORS (MUSLIMS) THAT CONQUERED AND INHABITED THERE LAND FOR CENTURIES MIXING THEIR BLACK BLOOD WITH SPANISH (WHITE) WOMEN. STUDY THE SPANISH ARMADA AND YOU'LL SEE HOW EVEN THE IRISH BLOOD LINE WAS MIXED WITH BLACK BLOOD. READ REAL HISTORY AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH. LISTEN TO FAMILY NAME BY PRINCE. IN FACT, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. P IS CONCIOUS OF HIS ROOTS.

Tell it like it is Jason. I'm glad somebody is finally spreading some real knowledge and not some "made-up" bs.

[Edited 2/17/11 17:35pm]

LMAO the knowledge that it was Egypt enslaved and their women raped?? LOL From history Egypt did most of the enslaving, Egypt through commerce and trade and being a constant world power naturally mixed and mingled with Romans and Greeks, Ethiopians, Arabs & Hebrew people..

oh yeah Jason is spreading REAL KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge or a 20th century racist mindset

Are you black?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Spinlight said:

Exactly which part of...Sheila E is of Mexican, African American, and Creole heritage, do you not understand?

She has ALWAYS proudly embraced the BLACK part of her heritage! As she clearly displayed just last week...

Sheila E was on the Black Owned Cable Channel, TV One. On an episode of the show they created to celebrate Black History Month called "Way Black When". Talking about herself, her family and Prince.

http://wayblackwhen.tvone...-sheila-e/

So seriously...why is Sheila E being Black so fucking hard for you to accept?

Spinlight said:

Are you black?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

So seriously...why is Sheila E being Black so fucking hard for you to accept?

Answer my question, then I'll answer yours.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Tell it like it is Jason. I'm glad somebody is finally spreading some real knowledge and not some "made-up" bs.

[Edited 2/17/11 17:35pm]

LMAO the knowledge that it was Egypt enslaved and their women raped?? LOL From history Egypt did most of the enslaving, Egypt through commerce and trade and being a constant world power naturally mixed and mingled with Romans and Greeks, Ethiopians, Arabs & Hebrew people..

oh yeah Jason is spreading REAL KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge or a 20th century racist mindset

Actually the bs information you're spreading on this forum, regarding what constitutes being "Black" is more like a present-day apartheid system you created all on your own. By the way Jason never said Egyptians didn't hold slaves of their own. Read his post again. Any further inquiries, take it up with Jason.

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I could care less about P and who he dates or not. Let alone any celebrity. None of my business.

I think it is so awesome that an unreliable source such as this (mediatakeout) has stirred up so much controversy, that might not even be true. Until I hear the words come out f his own mouth.... ! From Bria Bashing to race smashing......DAMN Prince's women cannot and will not ever catch a break!