Why isnt this threaed locked? No one is even talking about the original post.

GoldenParachute said:

Why isnt this threaed locked? No one is even talking about the original post.

Oh let the kids have their fun. They all seem so worked up about it. Dont deny them their fun.

OldFriends4Sale said:

prodigalfan said:

Thanks for reply. and thanks for the picture. I imagined Sheila's mom looking more average AA and not so exotic looking. Her "Black" mom looks more racially ambiguious than Sheila herself.

Right because her mom isn't Black, she's Creole, she's from a line a mixed race people from Louisiana. Beyonce Knowels mom is Creole too, and so is actress Lynn Whitfield mom. It's considered a different ethnic group.

I agree, from the time i first saw her in the Glamorous Life video I always saw Sheila E as a 'mulatta' Sheila actually to me, has a look that I see as discernably of africa/other admixture, where her brothers have a more stereotypical 'latin' look

And the thing that you continue to willfully ignore over and over and over again is that the people you mention consider themselves black and neither you or anyone else has the right to label them otherwise. You seem to think it's okay to totally disregard the individual's right to self identify according to their own life experience and how they see themselves.

No one goes around explaining the percentage of their racial makeup everyday. Like it or not, people make choices about how they describe themselves for their own personal reasons. Neither you or I have a say in the matter. Academic opinions aside, I will give the individual the respect to make their own choices.

Breaking people into 1/4 of this and 1/2 of that the way you persist in doing is actually just as divisive as the one drop rule that you so roundly condemn.

People can keep pretending I didn't say it but I have yet to see Wendy, Lisa, Carmen, Ingrid or any other person not identified with black roots picked apart in a similar fashion and I must tell you that this line of hostile interrogation time and again is quite offensive.

V10LETBLUES said:

GoldenParachute said:

Why isnt this threaed locked? No one is even talking about the original post.

Oh let the kids have their fun. They all seem so worked up about it. Dont deny them their fun.

It needs to be locked. How comes we always gotta be interrogated and disected like some scientific specimen under a damned microscope? Say the word black and everybody comes running with a magnifying glass.

I think Sheila has a lot of physical features that resemble African American. And I am not speaking of hair texture or skin tone... because really, "Black" people really do come in all shades.

She does, but she has just as many or more that come from the other ethnic groups she is mixed with. She is a multiracial woman. Here is Sheila's Creole mother in the middle

Sheila's mother is breathtakingly beautiful...Wow!

[Edited 2/18/11 15:37pm]

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Right because her mom isn't Black, she's Creole, she's from a line a mixed race people from Louisiana. Beyonce Knowels mom is Creole too, and so is actress Lynn Whitfield mom. It's considered a different ethnic group.

I agree, from the time i first saw her in the Glamorous Life video I always saw Sheila E as a 'mulatta' Sheila actually to me, has a look that I see as discernably of africa/other admixture, where her brothers have a more stereotypical 'latin' look

And the thing that you continue to willfully ignore over and over and over again is that the people you mention consider themselves black and neither you or anyone else has the right to label them otherwise. You seem to think it's okay to totally disregard the individual's right to self identify according to their own life experience and how they see themselves.

No one goes around explaining the percentage of their racial makeup everyday. Like it or not, people make choices about how they describe themselves for their own personal reasons. Neither you or I have a say in the matter. Academic opinions aside, I will give the individual the respect to make their own choices.

Breaking people into 1/4 of this and 1/2 of that the way you persist in doing is actually just as divisive as the one drop rule that you so roundly condemn.

People can keep pretending I didn't say it but I have yet to see Wendy, Lisa, Carmen, Ingrid or any other person not identified with black roots picked apart in a similar fashion and I must tell you that this line of hostile interrogation time and again is quite offensive.

How am I ignoring this over and over and over again, when I never said how those people identified? I never said they did not identify as Black. I said their mothers are Creole. If your gonna respond come correct. Thank U.

How dare you discrespect these people lives or heritage?

Lynn Whitfield who I am and always have been a big fan of has talked about her Creole heritage, mother and being raised by Creole people in interviews. I probably still have the magazine she was talking about it in. It came out when she did the movie and was talking about her 'mixed' child

Beyonce has also talked about it and it is well known. The House of Dereon clothing line revolves around their New Orleans Creole heritage.

And Sheila E. (who has never said I Am Black) also talks about her Creole mother & Mexican father.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Sheila's mother is breathtakingly beautiful...Wow!

[Edited 2/18/11 15:37pm]

Yes she is she looks as Young as her daughter literally

W.O.W

babynoz said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Oh let the kids have their fun. They all seem so worked up about it. Dont deny them their fun.

It needs to be locked. How comes we always gotta be interrogated and disected like some scientific specimen under a damned microscope? Say the word black and everybody comes running with a magnifying glass.

1st of all the original topic is dealing with Prince and dating 'sistahs' and black women

2nd of all this is a part of Social Political dealings, deal with it. And it varies across the globe.

If you studied up a bit on things you'll find how important this stuff is to people who may have 2 parents of different races but are told you can't identify as both only 1. This stuff is real. And people get seriously demented about it when someone says they are mixed or biracial or something. And then start getting accused of being a sell out or self hating or something obsurd.

Had a girl ask me what was I mixed with. She asked. I was just going about my business. And when I politely responded, she responds, "Well your still just a Nigga" ... this was a 'sista'

jason7sh said:

Trying to have an intelligent dialogue about race & ethnicity with OldFriends4Sale is like trying

to figure out which trailor park in America he is from, it's just plain confusing and worthless. I've

never stated that Egyptians never enslaved anyone, however, the slavery that they participated in

can not compare with the evil and dehumanizing acts done by some of my English ancestors. If I could

pay reparations for what took place, I would.

This entire topic has morphed into a historical nightmare all because a few dipsticks could not accept

Sheila E as an African American. This type of bigotry is so sad. To all the African Americans on this sight

please be advised that all White people don't think the same because I'm totally opposed to some of this

racist and bigoted historical revisionism.

I never said you stated that Egyptians never enslaved anyone either. That's your homegirl 2Elijah that interjected that.

Your historically incorrect in your statement that Egyptians look the way they do because Romans & Greeks raped them. TOTALLY scholastically INCORRECT. the large population of 'lighter skinned' Egyptians came from the Middle East. Migration not interbreeding.

So you totally incorrect on 2 counts, go sit down read some real history books and then come back and talk son.

Another thing is to say the Trans Atlantic Slavery was the worst of all time.

Every continent and country that where people were enslaved had varying degrees of hardship.

"Oh my pain is worse than yours" please get off that victimized mentality, your just trying to overcompensate for some white guilt. All English people did NOT take part in the slave system, many fought against it. And guess what oh clueless one, slavery ended in England way before it did in America, it ended because English people saw the full scale of it's wrongnes and put an end to it.

English people also lived in the Union States (those states that DID not allow slavery) so to lump all your English ancestors into a bucket and say they did this is TOTALLY incorrect. As well of white one, English people also settle in Canada and there was NO slavery there. No 1Drop Rule either.

Sheila is also a Mexican American, how dare you disrectect that. She also identifies as Mexican & Latina

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

And the thing that you continue to willfully ignore over and over and over again is that the people you mention consider themselves black and neither you or anyone else has the right to label them otherwise. You seem to think it's okay to totally disregard the individual's right to self identify according to their own life experience and how they see themselves.

No one goes around explaining the percentage of their racial makeup everyday. Like it or not, people make choices about how they describe themselves for their own personal reasons. Neither you or I have a say in the matter. Academic opinions aside, I will give the individual the respect to make their own choices.

Breaking people into 1/4 of this and 1/2 of that the way you persist in doing is actually just as divisive as the one drop rule that you so roundly condemn.

People can keep pretending I didn't say it but I have yet to see Wendy, Lisa, Carmen, Ingrid or any other person not identified with black roots picked apart in a similar fashion and I must tell you that this line of hostile interrogation time and again is quite offensive.

How am I ignoring this over and over and over again, when I never said how those people identified? I never said they did not identify as Black. I said their mothers are Creole. If your gonna respond come correct. Thank U.

How dare you discrespect these people lives or heritage?

Lynn Whitfield who I am and always have been a big fan of has talked about her Creole heritage, mother and being raised by Creole people in interviews. I probably still have the magazine she was talking about it in. It came out when she did the movie and was talking about her 'mixed' child

Beyonce has also talked about it and it is well known. The House of Dereon clothing line revolves around their New Orleans Creole heritage.

And Sheila E. (who has never said I Am Black) also talks about her Creole mother & Mexican father.

Now you're just lying on me to try and deflect what I said.

Most of us are fully aware that the people you mentioned have discussed their heritage in detail in interviews. I have seen the same interviews and have no problem with it. In other circumstances I have seen the same people identify themselves as simply black many times. Why should that bother you? I have never, ever seen anyone here become so hyper-technical about any other group of people...why is that?

What you continue to willfully ignore is that the majority of us are aware that we have mixed heritage of varying degrees and we don't need your's or anybody else's permission to say where we belong.

I saw Sheila on the Sisters In The Spirit tour with Yolanda Adams, Juanita Bynum and Cece Winans. She went into detail not only about all sides of her heritage but also the molestation, illness and spiritual awakening she experienced. She spoke for over ten minutes and yes, she did associate herself with the other women onstage. She did not say, "I am black" and guess what? That's fine by me.

As I already explained several pages ago...Sheila embraces us and we embrace her. It's mutual. What percentage of black does she have to be to make that acceptable to the likes of you?

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

It needs to be locked. How comes we always gotta be interrogated and disected like some scientific specimen under a damned microscope? Say the word black and everybody comes running with a magnifying glass.

1st of all the original topic is dealing with Prince and dating 'sistahs' and black women

2nd of all this is a part of Social Political dealings, deal with it. And it varies across the globe.

If you studied up a bit on things you'll find how important this stuff is to people who may have 2 parents of different races but are told you can't identify as both only 1. This stuff is real. And people get seriously demented about it when someone says they are mixed or biracial or something. And then start getting accused of being a sell out or self hating or something obsurd.

Had a girl ask me what was I mixed with. She asked. I was just going about my business. And when I politely responded, she responds, "Well your still just a Nigga" ... this was a 'sista'

So that's your issue...you have an axe to grind and now we're getting to the bottom of it.

That won't be the last time someone says something stupid to you, so you "deal with it" just as you are telling me to do.

Absolutely nothing you have written in all of your lengthy essays means that you have the right to label people as you see fit. Again, your "formula" is every bit as offensive and divisive as the one drop rule. I have studied it and more importantly, I have lived it.

For the umteenth time, I respect and uphold a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit. Regardless of what percentages you think are involved, YOU don't have a say in the matter.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1st of all the original topic is dealing with Prince and dating 'sistahs' and black women

2nd of all this is a part of Social Political dealings, deal with it. And it varies across the globe.

If you studied up a bit on things you'll find how important this stuff is to people who may have 2 parents of different races but are told you can't identify as both only 1. This stuff is real. And people get seriously demented about it when someone says they are mixed or biracial or something. And then start getting accused of being a sell out or self hating or something obsurd.

Had a girl ask me what was I mixed with. She asked. I was just going about my business. And when I politely responded, she responds, "Well your still just a Nigga" ... this was a 'sista'

So that's your issue...you have an axe to grind and now we're getting to the bottom of it.

That won't be the last time someone says something stupid to you, so you "deal with it" just as you are telling me to do.

Absolutely nothing you have written in all of your lengthy essays means that you have the right to label people as you see fit. Again, your "formula" is every bit as offensive and divisive as the one drop rule. I have studied it and more importantly, I have lived it.

For the umteenth time, I respect and uphold a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit. Regardless of what percentages you think are involved, YOU don't have a say in the matter.

Oh God here we go. That was just an example of how people just refuse to accept who you are without putting you do. She had the problem not me

I'm a 38 yr old man I've been through way worse than that.

Again your not reading anything I'm saying. Please tell me where I've labelled anyone against their own expression of identity. Everyone I've ever sited it was something they said or talked about in an interview.

I'm not the one labelling anyone as I see fit. Sheila E says she is Creole & Mexican, someone on the board says She's Black or African-American. They are labelling her as they see fit. WHY are you coming for me, go after those person for labelling them.

If your serious go thru an pull up where I said this is who this person is identified not matter what they think.

I've also said with all the mixture of Nicole Ritchie, she identifies as Black and I support that.

If Sheile E came out and said I AM BLACK, I would be totally fine with that

I'm totally fine with Halley Berry as a Black woman. I totally support her. But what I don't support is something she said in a recent interview where she said she believes in the 1 Drop Rule concerning her daughter.

Again when you stop reading things I'm not saying, and go after those who take Mexican Black Creole and sum all that up as Black, then we can have a conversation. Unless you as well believe 1 Drop of Black blood makes one black.

lavender1983 said:

W.O.W

Oh stick around honey 'cuz we have to endure this scrutiny on here time and again. Have a wing and a pepsi...

OldFriends4Sale said:

jason7sh said:

Trying to have an intelligent dialogue about race & ethnicity with OldFriends4Sale is like trying

to figure out which trailor park in America he is from, it's just plain confusing and worthless. I've

never stated that Egyptians never enslaved anyone, however, the slavery that they participated in

can not compare with the evil and dehumanizing acts done by some of my English ancestors. If I could

pay reparations for what took place, I would.

This entire topic has morphed into a historical nightmare all because a few dipsticks could not accept

Sheila E as an African American. This type of bigotry is so sad. To all the African Americans on this sight

please be advised that all White people don't think the same because I'm totally opposed to some of this

racist and bigoted historical revisionism.

I never said you stated that Egyptians never enslaved anyone either. That's your homegirl 2Elijah that interjected that.

Your historically incorrect in your statement that Egyptians look the way they do because Romans & Greeks raped them. TOTALLY scholastically INCORRECT. the large population of 'lighter skinned' Egyptians came from the Middle East. Migration not interbreeding.

So you totally incorrect on 2 counts, go sit down read some real history books and then come back and talk son.

Another thing is to say the Trans Atlantic Slavery was the worst of all time.

Every continent and country that where people were enslaved had varying degrees of hardship.

"Oh my pain is worse than yours" please get off that victimized mentality, your just trying to overcompensate for some white guilt. All English people did NOT take part in the slave system, many fought against it. And guess what oh clueless one, slavery ended in England way before it did in America, it ended because English people saw the full scale of it's wrongnes and put an end to it.

English people also lived in the Union States (those states that DID not allow slavery) so to lump all your English ancestors into a bucket and say they did this is TOTALLY incorrect. As well of white one, English people also settle in Canada and there was NO slavery there. No 1Drop Rule either.

Sheila is also a Mexican American, how dare you disrectect that. She also identifies as Mexican & Latina

Once again...you lie. When you responded to Jason's post, you mocked and assumed he said that Egyptians did not own slaves, in which he never said, and that is what I explained to you over and over again, that he "never stated that", you just assumed he did. You also claimed that the information he posted, was based on a racist white man's mentality. You continuously twist what people post here to take away from others calling you on your misinformed bs, because you hate to be told you are wrong. You've called others' names, including me, because we questioned where you obtained your information. I'm so glad others here, can see through your continuous bs and call your ass out on it.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

How am I ignoring this over and over and over again, when I never said how those people identified? I never said they did not identify as Black. I said their mothers are Creole. If your gonna respond come correct. Thank U.

How dare you discrespect these people lives or heritage?

Lynn Whitfield who I am and always have been a big fan of has talked about her Creole heritage, mother and being raised by Creole people in interviews. I probably still have the magazine she was talking about it in. It came out when she did the movie and was talking about her 'mixed' child

Beyonce has also talked about it and it is well known. The House of Dereon clothing line revolves around their New Orleans Creole heritage.

And Sheila E. (who has never said I Am Black) also talks about her Creole mother & Mexican father.

Now you're just lying on me to try and deflect what I said.

Most of us are fully aware that the people you mentioned have discussed their heritage in detail in interviews. I have seen the same interviews and have no problem with it. In other circumstances I have seen the same people identify themselves as simply black many times. Why should that bother you? I have never, ever seen anyone here become so hyper-technical about any other group of people...why is that?

What you continue to willfully ignore is that the majority of us are aware that we have mixed heritage of varying degrees and we don't need your's or anybody else's permission to say where we belong.

I saw Sheila on the Sisters In The Spirit tour with Yolanda Adams, Juanita Bynum and Cece Winans. She went into detail not only about all sides of her heritage but also the molestation, illness and spiritual awakening she experienced. She spoke for over ten minutes and yes, she did associate herself with the other women onstage. She did not say, "I am black" and guess what? That's fine by me.

As I already explained several pages ago...Sheila embraces us and we embrace her. It's mutual. What percentage of black does she have to be to make that acceptable to the likes of you?

Are you in that time of the month?

I responded to you saying I was somehow reassigning someone racial choice.

I responded saying I never said Beyonce or Lynn Whitfield were not Black. I said (and something you blindly chose to overlook) in saying their mothers were Creole.

Who are the 'We' sugar? Please too many black people have a problem with someone who might not identify that same way.

So if Sheila E talked about all her heritage and as far as you know never said "I AM BLACK" then why do you have a gripe with me? Why don't you go after those who take Sheila E's choice and say "SHEILA" is Black? Don't focus on me go after the other "we's" that you ignore over and over again who say over and over again Sheila E is African-American, Sheila E is Black

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I never said you stated that Egyptians never enslaved anyone either. That's your homegirl 2Elijah that interjected that.

Your historically incorrect in your statement that Egyptians look the way they do because Romans & Greeks raped them. TOTALLY scholastically INCORRECT. the large population of 'lighter skinned' Egyptians came from the Middle East. Migration not interbreeding.

So you totally incorrect on 2 counts, go sit down read some real history books and then come back and talk son.

Another thing is to say the Trans Atlantic Slavery was the worst of all time.

Every continent and country that where people were enslaved had varying degrees of hardship.

"Oh my pain is worse than yours" please get off that victimized mentality, your just trying to overcompensate for some white guilt. All English people did NOT take part in the slave system, many fought against it. And guess what oh clueless one, slavery ended in England way before it did in America, it ended because English people saw the full scale of it's wrongnes and put an end to it.

English people also lived in the Union States (those states that DID not allow slavery) so to lump all your English ancestors into a bucket and say they did this is TOTALLY incorrect. As well of white one, English people also settle in Canada and there was NO slavery there. No 1Drop Rule either.

Sheila is also a Mexican American, how dare you disrectect that. She also identifies as Mexican & Latina

Once again...you lie. When you responded to Jason's post, you mocked and assumed he said that Egyptians did not own slaves, in which he never said, and that is what I explained to you over and over again, that he "never stated that", you just assumed he did. You also claimed that the information he posted, was based on a racist white man's mentality. You continuously twist what people post here to take away from others calling you on your misinformed bs, because you hate to be told you are wrong. You've called others' names, including me, because we questioned where you obtained your information. I'm so glad others here, can see through your continuous bs and call your ass out on it.

Shut up 2Elijah, You and Jason are 2 uneducated nuts, your batty and he has white guilt

You focus on what was not said. I focused DIRECTLY on what Jason said which YOU STILL WON"T ADDRESS or conceded to as being WRONG. That the Egyptians were not RAPED and enslaved, which is Jason reason the Egyptians are "light skinned" IT FALSE. Those light skinned Egyptians are Middle Easterns. You agreed with Jasons ignorant post which makes your racist ideas cloud your reading. You keep harping on on something I didnot assume. I responde to Jason idiotic idea of Romans & Greek RAPING Egyptians which supposedly made them light skinned.

Now go take care of you household duties

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

So that's your issue...you have an axe to grind and now we're getting to the bottom of it.

That won't be the last time someone says something stupid to you, so you "deal with it" just as you are telling me to do.

Absolutely nothing you have written in all of your lengthy essays means that you have the right to label people as you see fit. Again, your "formula" is every bit as offensive and divisive as the one drop rule. I have studied it and more importantly, I have lived it.

For the umteenth time, I respect and uphold a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit. Regardless of what percentages you think are involved, YOU don't have a say in the matter.

Oh God here we go. That was just an example of how people just refuse to accept who you are without putting you do. She had the problem not me

I'm a 38 yr old man I've been through way worse than that.

Again your not reading anything I'm saying. Please tell me where I've labelled anyone against their own expression of identity. Everyone I've ever sited it was something they said or talked about in an interview.

I'm not the one labelling anyone as I see fit. Sheila E says she is Creole & Mexican, someone on the board says She's Black or African-American. They are labelling her as they see fit. WHY are you coming for me, go after those person for labelling them.

If your serious go thru an pull up where I said this is who this person is identified not matter what they think.

I've also said with all the mixture of Nicole Ritchie, she identifies as Black and I support that.

If Sheile E came out and said I AM BLACK, I would be totally fine with that

I'm totally fine with Halley Berry as a Black woman. I totally support her. But what I don't support is something she said in a recent interview where she said she believes in the 1 Drop Rule concerning her daughter.

Again when you stop reading things I'm not saying, and go after those who take Mexican Black Creole and sum all that up as Black, then we can have a conversation. Unless you as well believe 1 Drop of Black blood makes one black.

I have told you what I believe more than once so there is no reason to ask again.

A person who is creole/mexican/black/american for example, is free to identify themselves with all of those or any portion thereof and and should still be respected for their choice.

Somebody called Sheila E black on a gossip site and all hell broke loose complete with weeping and knashing of teeth and you have been running around with your hair on fire ever since. I'll ask again...what percentage of Sheila has to be black for that community to embrace her with feelings of kinship? I have yet to see Sheila object to it and that is the only thing that matters.

Furthermore to imply that people don't understand or accept her mexican/creole ethnicity would be another lie.

Halle Berry's daughter will hopefully grow up and choose for herself as is her individual right.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1st of all the original topic is dealing with Prince and dating 'sistahs' and black women

2nd of all this is a part of Social Political dealings, deal with it. And it varies across the globe.

If you studied up a bit on things you'll find how important this stuff is to people who may have 2 parents of different races but are told you can't identify as both only 1. This stuff is real. And people get seriously demented about it when someone says they are mixed or biracial or something. And then start getting accused of being a sell out or self hating or something obsurd.

Had a girl ask me what was I mixed with. She asked. I was just going about my business. And when I politely responded, she responds, "Well your still just a Nigga" ... this was a 'sista'

So that's your issue...you have an axe to grind and now we're getting to the bottom of it.

That won't be the last time someone says something stupid to you, so you "deal with it" just as you are telling me to do.

Absolutely nothing you have written in all of your lengthy essays means that you have the right to label people as you see fit. Again, your "formula" is every bit as offensive and divisive as the one drop rule. I have studied it and more importantly, I have lived it.

For the umteenth time, I respect and uphold a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit. Regardless of what percentages you think are involved, YOU don't have a say in the matter.

I hear you Babynoz, he seems to be taking out his insecurities of his mixed heritage, out on the rest of the world, especially the Black community. He seems to be angry if someone from the Black community refers to him as "Black". No one is forcing him to define himself as Black, but he seems to have this notion, based on the comments he's received from some Blacks, that he is forced to do so. Fact is, whether he liked what that girl said or not, she basically was giving him a "heads-up" education, as how many in society will view him, whether he liked what she said or not. Doesn't matter if he gets most of those comments from the black community, they're just making him aware of how he will be viewed, most of the time on "first glance" by many in society, but that's still no excuse or reason to take his anger out on the black community, because that atttitude shows a lot in many of his posts.

His obsessive game of "breaking down people into percentages" by their skin tones "light-skinned vs dark-complected" is so ridiculous, that it's like he's creating his own, personal apartheid system, in order to feel some self-assurance about his own identity. If he claims "race is a social construct," and he knows this, then why is he constantly designing his own personal class system among mixed-race groups and what he defines as "Black?" Hard to take him seriously, when he does that, yet he wants people to take the information he's posting with respect, as long as you don't disagree with him.

[Edited 2/18/11 17:27pm]

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1st of all the original topic is dealing with Prince and dating 'sistahs' and black women

2nd of all this is a part of Social Political dealings, deal with it. And it varies across the globe.

If you studied up a bit on things you'll find how important this stuff is to people who may have 2 parents of different races but are told you can't identify as both only 1. This stuff is real. And people get seriously demented about it when someone says they are mixed or biracial or something. And then start getting accused of being a sell out or self hating or something obsurd.

Had a girl ask me what was I mixed with. She asked. I was just going about my business. And when I politely responded, she responds, "Well your still just a Nigga" ... this was a 'sista'

So that's your issue...you have an axe to grind and now we're getting to the bottom of it.

That won't be the last time someone says something stupid to you, so you "deal with it" just as you are telling me to do.

Absolutely nothing you have written in all of your lengthy essays means that you have the right to label people as you see fit. Again, your "formula" is every bit as offensive and divisive as the one drop rule. I have studied it and more importantly, I have lived it.

For the umteenth time, I respect and uphold a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit. Regardless of what percentages you think are involved, YOU don't have a say in the matter.

MEET LEGENDARY SINGER PRINCE'S NEW GIRLFRIEND . . . SHE'S BEAUTIFUL . . . FLEXIBLE . . . AND BLACK!! (HIS FIRST SISTA SINCE SHEILA E)

laurarichardson #42 In addtion, to African-Americans Sheile E is black we are claiming her.

jason7sh¤ #44

Diddo that 100%... Sheila E looks Black, she has soul and she's a true queen. Yes, she is a Black woman

HatrinaHaterwitz #72 However, if you are talking about heritage...the percentage of Blackness doesn't matter either. Especially, in the United States of America because no matter the percentage...if there is a percentage...as history has proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over...again...you're Black! Just ask Tiger Woods

jason7sh¤ #142 SHEILA E. IS IDENTIFIABLY BLACK.

2elijah #167 Tell it like it is Jason. I'm glad somebody is finally spreading some real knowledge and not some "made-up" bs.

HatrinaHaterwitz #184

5. I say..."Sheila E is Black". Damn right...that's wonderful!

jason7sh #191

She's been in Ebony, Jet and Essence Magazine, Video Soul, BET

many times and on Soul Train. How many Mexicans have you seen in these venues?

silkylee #290

Maybe my eyes are lying to me. But it looks like 2 black women with 3 white women to me.

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

Now you're just lying on me to try and deflect what I said.

Most of us are fully aware that the people you mentioned have discussed their heritage in detail in interviews. I have seen the same interviews and have no problem with it. In other circumstances I have seen the same people identify themselves as simply black many times. Why should that bother you? I have never, ever seen anyone here become so hyper-technical about any other group of people...why is that?

What you continue to willfully ignore is that the majority of us are aware that we have mixed heritage of varying degrees and we don't need your's or anybody else's permission to say where we belong.

I saw Sheila on the Sisters In The Spirit tour with Yolanda Adams, Juanita Bynum and Cece Winans. She went into detail not only about all sides of her heritage but also the molestation, illness and spiritual awakening she experienced. She spoke for over ten minutes and yes, she did associate herself with the other women onstage. She did not say, "I am black" and guess what? That's fine by me.

As I already explained several pages ago...Sheila embraces us and we embrace her. It's mutual. What percentage of black does she have to be to make that acceptable to the likes of you?

Are you in that time of the month?

I responded to you saying I was somehow reassigning someone racial choice.

I responded saying I never said Beyonce or Lynn Whitfield were not Black. I said (and something you blindly chose to overlook) in saying their mothers were Creole.

Who are the 'We' sugar? Please too many black people have a problem with someone who might not identify that same way.

So if Sheila E talked about all her heritage and as far as you know never said "I AM BLACK" then why do you have a gripe with me? Why don't you go after those who take Sheila E's choice and say "SHEILA" is Black? Don't focus on me go after the other "we's" that you ignore over and over again who say over and over again Sheila E is African-American, Sheila E is Black

Chip on your shoulder much?

Again, some black folk on a website embraced Sheila and you damn near had kittens before starting your interrogation.

If other blacks have a problem with how a mixed person identifies themselves I tell them the same thing I tell you...it's not your choice.

Furthermore, those folk you accuse of labeling Sheila as black have already acknowledged that they were not implying black only, so that issue has been resolved. You, on the other hand seem hell bent on omitting that portion of her identity.

In a nutshell my gripe with you is that this line of questioning is only directed toward people who make any reference, however casual to any black heritage whatsoever. I never, ever, ever see any reference to what percentage of Wendy is Jewish or what percentage of Lisa is Irish, for example.

Bottom line, if Sheila had any objections to being embraced, I'm sure we would have known about it. My gripe with you is that you seem offended by it when you have no reason to be.

2elijah said:

babynoz said:

So that's your issue...you have an axe to grind and now we're getting to the bottom of it.

That won't be the last time someone says something stupid to you, so you "deal with it" just as you are telling me to do.

Absolutely nothing you have written in all of your lengthy essays means that you have the right to label people as you see fit. Again, your "formula" is every bit as offensive and divisive as the one drop rule. I have studied it and more importantly, I have lived it.

For the umteenth time, I respect and uphold a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit. Regardless of what percentages you think are involved, YOU don't have a say in the matter.

I hear you Babynoz, he seems to be taking out his insecurities of his mixed heritage, out on the rest of the world, especially the Black community. He seems to be angry if someone from the Black community refers to him as "Black". No one is forcing him to define himself as Black, but he seems to have this notion, based on the comments he's received from some Blacks, that he is forced to do so. Fact is, whether he liked what that girl said or not, she basically was giving him a "heads-up" education, as how many in society will view him, whether he liked what she said or not. Doesn't matter if he gets most of those comments from the black community, they're just making him aware of how he will be viewed, most of the time on "first glance" by many in society, but that's still no excuse or reason to take his anger out on the black community, because that atttitude shows a lot in many of his posts.

His obsessive game of "breaking down people into percentages" by their skin tones "light-skinned vs dark-complected" is so ridiculous, that it's like he's creating his own, personal apartheid system, in order to feel some self-assurance about his own identity. If he claims "race is a social construct," and he knows this, then why is he constantly designing his own personal class system among mixed-race groups and what he defines as "Black?" Hard to take him seriously, when he does that, yet he wants people to take the information he's posting with respect, as long as you don't disagree with him.

[Edited 2/18/11 17:27pm]

2elijah is right on point in her remarks above. I really respect and like what she said above. This race and percentage stuff is really holden humanity back. When I was at Princeton, I took a class with Dr. Cornel West and he was one great professor. I loved the way he broke down the social constructs of racism, classism and sexism in America. This was one of the greatest classes that I've ever taken on African American history, religion and culture. In fact, Dr. West even attends P's concerts sometimes.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Are you in that time of the month?

I responded to you saying I was somehow reassigning someone racial choice.

I responded saying I never said Beyonce or Lynn Whitfield were not Black. I said (and something you blindly chose to overlook) in saying their mothers were Creole.

Who are the 'We' sugar? Please too many black people have a problem with someone who might not identify that same way.

So if Sheila E talked about all her heritage and as far as you know never said "I AM BLACK" then why do you have a gripe with me? Why don't you go after those who take Sheila E's choice and say "SHEILA" is Black? Don't focus on me go after the other "we's" that you ignore over and over again who say over and over again Sheila E is African-American, Sheila E is Black

Chip on your shoulder much?

Again, some black folk on a website embraced Sheila and you damn near had kittens before starting your interrogation.

If other blacks have a problem with how a mixed person identifies themselves I tell them the same thing I tell you...it's not your choice.

Furthermore, those folk you accuse of labeling Sheila as black have already acknowledged that they were not implying black only, so that issue has been resolved. You, on the other hand seem hell bent on omitting that portion of her identity.

In a nutshell my gripe with you is that this line of questioning is only directed toward people who make any reference, however casual to any black heritage whatsoever. I never, ever, ever see any reference to what percentage of Wendy is Jewish or what percentage of Lisa is Irish, for example.

Bottom line, if Sheila had any objections to being embraced, I'm sure we would have known about it. My gripe with you is that you seem offended by it when you have no reason to be.

Hon, none of this is resolved because those same people will be back tomorrow saying the same thing

You can't say Yes sheila is Mexican Creole and Black ... But she Black .. That's the 1 Drop Rule

Sweety if you read thru this You seem offended cause you keep saying this thread needs to be locked but then you start up again.

jason7sh said:

2elijah said:

I hear you Babynoz, he seems to be taking out his insecurities of his mixed heritage, out on the rest of the world, especially the Black community. He seems to be angry if someone from the Black community refers to him as "Black". No one is forcing him to define himself as Black, but he seems to have this notion, based on the comments he's received from some Blacks, that he is forced to do so. Fact is, whether he liked what that girl said or not, she basically was giving him a "heads-up" education, as how many in society will view him, whether he liked what she said or not. Doesn't matter if he gets most of those comments from the black community, they're just making him aware of how he will be viewed, most of the time on "first glance" by many in society, but that's still no excuse or reason to take his anger out on the black community, because that atttitude shows a lot in many of his posts.

His obsessive game of "breaking down people into percentages" by their skin tones "light-skinned vs dark-complected" is so ridiculous, that it's like he's creating his own, personal apartheid system, in order to feel some self-assurance about his own identity. If he claims "race is a social construct," and he knows this, then why is he constantly designing his own personal class system among mixed-race groups and what he defines as "Black?" Hard to take him seriously, when he does that, yet he wants people to take the information he's posting with respect, as long as you don't disagree with him.

[Edited 2/18/11 17:27pm]

2elijah is right on point in her remarks above. I really respect and like what she said above. This race and percentage stuff is really holden humanity back. When I was at Princeton, I took a class with Dr. Cornel West and he was one great professor. I loved the way he broke down the social constructs of racism, classism and sexism in America. This was one of the greatest classes that I've ever taken on African American history, religion and culture. In fact, Dr. West even attends P's concerts sometimes.

Of course, are you 2 acting out some skit for Black History month?

You have white guilt, everything you say is suspect

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Once again...you lie. When you responded to Jason's post, you mocked and assumed he said that Egyptians did not own slaves, in which he never said, and that is what I explained to you over and over again, that he "never stated that", you just assumed he did. You also claimed that the information he posted, was based on a racist white man's mentality. You continuously twist what people post here to take away from others calling you on your misinformed bs, because you hate to be told you are wrong. You've called others' names, including me, because we questioned where you obtained your information. I'm so glad others here, can see through your continuous bs and call your ass out on it.

Shut up 2Elijah, You and Jason are 2 uneducated nuts, your batty and he has white guilt

You focus on what was not said. I focused DIRECTLY on what Jason said which YOU STILL WON"T ADDRESS or conceded to as being WRONG. That the Egyptians were not RAPED and enslaved, which is Jason reason the Egyptians are "light skinned" IT FALSE. Those light skinned Egyptians are Middle Easterns. You agreed with Jasons ignorant post which makes your racist ideas cloud your reading. You keep harping on on something I didnot assume. I responde to Jason idiotic idea of Romans & Greek RAPING Egyptians which supposedly made them light skinned.

Now go take care of you household duties

Oh such nastiness. You don't have the power to shut anyone up around here. Your insecurites are truly showing through your posts as you result to using insults. You call me names and accuse Jason of having "white guilt" because he took time to educate himself on African history/black culture, and that pissed off your weak ego, when he told you the information you're posting is questionable, so you keep posting the same thing from his previous posts, to try and make him and me appear uneducated, simply because you can't handle being told some of the information you posted, just doesn't add up.

It is clear with that last statement how ignorant you are, as well as your sexist attitude towards women on this forum. Says a lot about you. You're the joke of the game you play around here. Pitiful.

jason7sh said:

2elijah said:

I hear you Babynoz, he seems to be taking out his insecurities of his mixed heritage, out on the rest of the world, especially the Black community. He seems to be angry if someone from the Black community refers to him as "Black". No one is forcing him to define himself as Black, but he seems to have this notion, based on the comments he's received from some Blacks, that he is forced to do so. Fact is, whether he liked what that girl said or not, she basically was giving him a "heads-up" education, as how many in society will view him, whether he liked what she said or not. Doesn't matter if he gets most of those comments from the black community, they're just making him aware of how he will be viewed, most of the time on "first glance" by many in society, but that's still no excuse or reason to take his anger out on the black community, because that atttitude shows a lot in many of his posts.

His obsessive game of "breaking down people into percentages" by their skin tones "light-skinned vs dark-complected" is so ridiculous, that it's like he's creating his own, personal apartheid system, in order to feel some self-assurance about his own identity. If he claims "race is a social construct," and he knows this, then why is he constantly designing his own personal class system among mixed-race groups and what he defines as "Black?" Hard to take him seriously, when he does that, yet he wants people to take the information he's posting with respect, as long as you don't disagree with him.

[Edited 2/18/11 17:27pm]

2elijah is right on point in her remarks above. I really respect and like what she said above. This race and percentage stuff is really holden humanity back. When I was at Princeton, I took a class with Dr. Cornel West and he was one great professor. I loved the way he broke down the social constructs of racism, classism and sexism in America. This was one of the greatest classes that I've ever taken on African American history, religion and culture. In fact, Dr. West even attends P's concerts sometimes.

Thank you Jason I appreciate that. It is a pleasure to speak to someone outside of my own ethnic group, who has made the effort to learn about those within my ethnic group with such interest. I admire you for that. Don't let others' insults, insecurities and attacks stop you from sharing that info with others here. I enjoy reading your posts.

[Edited 2/18/11 17:52pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

So that's your issue...you have an axe to grind and now we're getting to the bottom of it.

That won't be the last time someone says something stupid to you, so you "deal with it" just as you are telling me to do.

Absolutely nothing you have written in all of your lengthy essays means that you have the right to label people as you see fit. Again, your "formula" is every bit as offensive and divisive as the one drop rule. I have studied it and more importantly, I have lived it.

For the umteenth time, I respect and uphold a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit. Regardless of what percentages you think are involved, YOU don't have a say in the matter.

MEET LEGENDARY SINGER PRINCE'S NEW GIRLFRIEND . . . SHE'S BEAUTIFUL . . . FLEXIBLE . . . AND BLACK!! (HIS FIRST SISTA SINCE SHEILA E)

laurarichardson #42 In addtion, to African-Americans Sheile E is black we are claiming her.

jason7sh¤ #44

Diddo that 100%... Sheila E looks Black, she has soul and she's a true queen. Yes, she is a Black woman

HatrinaHaterwitz #72 However, if you are talking about heritage...the percentage of Blackness doesn't matter either. Especially, in the United States of America because no matter the percentage...if there is a percentage...as history has proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over...again...you're Black! Just ask Tiger Woods

jason7sh¤ #142 SHEILA E. IS IDENTIFIABLY BLACK.

2elijah #167 Tell it like it is Jason. I'm glad somebody is finally spreading some real knowledge and not some "made-up" bs.

HatrinaHaterwitz #184

5. I say..."Sheila E is Black". Damn right...that's wonderful!

jason7sh #191

She's been in Ebony, Jet and Essence Magazine, Video Soul, BET

many times and on Soul Train. How many Mexicans have you seen in these venues?

silkylee #290

Maybe my eyes are lying to me. But it looks like 2 black women with 3 white women to me.

Oh goody, can I play too?

My very first post in the thread addressed all of these comments and didn't even address you at all btw...

I don't get it either. Sheila indentifies with her black and hispanic roots as a black latina. We claim her 'cuz she claims us...simple.

It's disturbing that anytime someone chooses to identify with black racial/cultural aspects of their heritage they get questioned/second guessed/scrutinized to withing an inch of their lives. We don't really see that with any other race/ethnicity.

IMO no amount of pseudo-academic pontificating is more important than a person's right to identify themselves as they see fit...period. Same for Misty or anyone else.

Again, that is my beef in a nutshell.

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

Chip on your shoulder much?

Again, some black folk on a website embraced Sheila and you damn near had kittens before starting your interrogation.

If other blacks have a problem with how a mixed person identifies themselves I tell them the same thing I tell you...it's not your choice.

Furthermore, those folk you accuse of labeling Sheila as black have already acknowledged that they were not implying black only, so that issue has been resolved. You, on the other hand seem hell bent on omitting that portion of her identity.

In a nutshell my gripe with you is that this line of questioning is only directed toward people who make any reference, however casual to any black heritage whatsoever. I never, ever, ever see any reference to what percentage of Wendy is Jewish or what percentage of Lisa is Irish, for example.

Bottom line, if Sheila had any objections to being embraced, I'm sure we would have known about it. My gripe with you is that you seem offended by it when you have no reason to be.

Hon, none of this is resolved because those same people will be back tomorrow saying the same thing

You can't say Yes sheila is Mexican Creole and Black ... But she Black .. That's the 1 Drop Rule

Sweety if you read thru this You seem offended cause you keep saying this thread needs to be locked but then you start up again.

Regardless of whatever rules are constructed by others about various drops and percentages, all of those are true. I have seen interviews in hispanic oriented magazines that only cite her latina roots...should I be mad? No, because she is latina.

IMO the thread should be closed because this circular argument comes up again and again ONLY in regards to black folk but since I do not moderate this site I accept the decision of those who do...simple.

All I have to add to this thread is, DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN, ya'll went way off course.

UncleGrandpa said:

All I have to add to this thread is, DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN, ya'll went way off course.

Off course and into a ditch, sirens, ambulances, paramedics are wandering about trying to figure out what hell is happening.

[Edited 2/18/11 19:41pm]