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Printableherb said: The biggest problem I'm having these days is not "meanness", particularly, but "dividing"; an alarming increase in the separation of his audience into "believers" and "non-believers". This was touched on in the Kevin Smith thread, and it troubles me somewhat.
IMO, Prince is a walking contradiction. One the hand he can be extremely open and succesfull in bringing people together, best shown in his live performances, and his classic albums which most of his hardcore fans still hold dearly. On the other hand he can be extremely closed and destructive in communicating, best shown in his aversion to talk to "strangers", interviews, autographes, and the way he "communicates" to his fans/members through the npgmc (very little, very cryptic, very unclear, and one could argue disrespectfull and even no communication at all)... The contradiction you have the most trouble with, has become apparant since a couple of years (arguably the past 5 years). While in the 80's Prince's 'life philosophy' was first worded in songs like "Uptown", "Let's go crazy", "Paisley Park", "LoveSexy", in the 90's he drove more towards the search for the so called "one truth". He started to leave the old message behind and looked for something in the complete opposite direction. Why? That would perhabs be good to find out. It is clear, to me at least, that his old message did not focus one exclusive "truth", or religion, but tried to draw as many as possible to a broad open message. Later the message became more and more exclusive, unto the moment where we are now. I am not saying that he doesn't have the right to do that, or that it is "wrong". I am saying tho' that the contradiction is clear. The lawsuits. Prince, during his emancipation days, used to talk alot about how he hated contracts and such. Lawsuits were not what he was all about. But after he was "free" he sued any and everything around him that used "his name. likeness and image" , his symbol, his music etc. without authorization... Everybody had to listen to what he wanted and "come together as one" in the love4oneanother "collective" which never made it. So what about that"love4oneanother"? What is he doing now? He has raised his ticket prices with massive amounts and he is buying new big white mansions around the world and sues fans who offer links to some bootlegs instead of the ones who really make the money. Instead of releasing them himself. He just sues... Likewise, the contradiction is apparant in the way he treats his music "moneywise". While during the time of SOTT, Lovesexy, Prince used to play aftershows for a fair and reasonable amount of money, today he has transformed his "legendary" aftershows into a commercialised business. Another example. The time of Exodus and The Gold experience was all about the fight for emancipation. One of the goals was to be free to release as much as he wanted to and he enticed fans to go along with it by keeping up a vision of a feature where the - again "legendary"- vaults would be open for all to ENJOY... But what has become of the release of "The Vault"? So far, I would say, not much. Prince can be so fickle and arrogant he forgets all the stuff he once said and even if he does remember, he is not the one to easily admit it and stick to "expectations" HE created... ... For now that's all I have to say about that. ... [This message was edited Wed Feb 5 6:50:04 PST 2003 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Abrazo said: herb said: The biggest problem I'm having these days is not "meanness", particularly, but "dividing"; an alarming increase in the separation of his audience into "believers" and "non-believers". This was touched on in the Kevin Smith thread, and it troubles me somewhat.
IMO, Prince is a walking contradiction. ... [This message was edited Wed Feb 5 6:50:04 PST 2003 by Abrazo] My Line...  j/k...it's true though! &  | |
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vivid said: rg770 said: I don't think prince is a very nice person there are some cleb.that go out of their way to sign stuff take picture with fan's one thing prince does do is allow us when we goto concerts to ask ? thats worth something but prince the person would'nt go well with me i have a many friends and i'll never think i was to big to not talk to everyone i would understand if someone ask me something personal but heck prince and answer any ? straight whats up with that.
You haven't got a clue what u would do in his posistion. And he is obviously a private person, and doesn't want his name used to sell stuff that he isn't selling. Would you? Prince is a solaitary man who lives for his music and ain't like to be assaulted... He is shy too but surely a nice guy.. The pepe thing well mister ILLIE knew the rules of his re-publishing-ad-infinitum game... "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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klaatu said: vivid said: rg770 said: I don't think prince is a very nice person there are some cleb.that go out of their way to sign stuff take picture with fan's one thing prince does do is allow us when we goto concerts to ask ? thats worth something but prince the person would'nt go well with me i have a many friends and i'll never think i was to big to not talk to everyone i would understand if someone ask me something personal but heck prince and answer any ? straight whats up with that.
You haven't got a clue what u would do in his posistion. And he is obviously a private person, and doesn't want his name used to sell stuff that he isn't selling. Would you? Prince is a solaitary man who lives for his music and ain't like to be assaulted... He is shy too but surely a nice guy.. I know Prince is shy but is he really or is it an everlasting act like all his other routines?  Wow, the day has finally come when I start questioning how, where, what and who Prince is!
Dont pay much attention 2 it, cuz I still  the man so... & | |
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WildheartXXX said: You know i've worked with children like Prince and he possesses so many symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder it is incredible! His kindness is idealistic and though real, is childish in a sense in that it's often huge gestures of generosity. Ie the whole Love 4 One Another concept. However when it comes down to simply communicating with people he cannot do it. The man cannot understand the concept that communication is two way. Prince only see's the world from Prince's point of view. He is hugely egocentric and the fact he freely drifts from concept to concept, whilst at the time is seemly obsessed with just the one, indicates that he's capable of massive lapses in concentration and then the complete opposite. Im not saying Prince has ADD that would be stupid but the way in which he acts makes me and all the people i know who work with people with ADD smile. He's a classic case!
I think this is what his Production Assistant refered to as "Prince World" when describing him to Kevin Smith.  | |
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fairlite said: WildheartXXX said: You know i've worked with children like Prince and he possesses so many symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder it is incredible! His kindness is idealistic and though real, is childish in a sense in that it's often huge gestures of generosity. Ie the whole Love 4 One Another concept. However when it comes down to simply communicating with people he cannot do it. The man cannot understand the concept that communication is two way. Prince only see's the world from Prince's point of view. He is hugely egocentric and the fact he freely drifts from concept to concept, whilst at the time is seemly obsessed with just the one, indicates that he's capable of massive lapses in concentration and then the complete opposite. Im not saying Prince has ADD that would be stupid but the way in which he acts makes me and all the people i know who work with people with ADD smile. He's a classic case!
I think this is what his Production Assistant refered to as "Prince World" when describing him to Kevin Smith. & indeed there is truly a "Prince's world" just like being a Prince-girl  the goal  & | |
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CherrieMoonKisses said: Everytime I hear sumthin about him news-wise he seems 2 B becoming meaner
Like that thing with that guy Pepe Willie. 
I recall him saying sumthing about being nicer & tryna change his ways during ONA in NYC... Whats wrong Prince, I mean, is everyone getting on ur nerves that badly?. :I: U but  dont trust U anymore...Dont 4get, the media loves 2 print the negative stuff about a person. it's what lots of ppl dig the most. this thing with pepe 4 instance...does anyone know the REAL history behind these 2? no. so if prince isnt that cordial to him or any one else 4 that matter, one really doesnt know their personal history or business & cant say if prince is just being mean or if that other person ever hurt prince in some way 2 make him seem mean at that particular time. he evidentally didnt want 2 do lunch with him or talk, as the media says it went down, anyway. now we know prince has ppl he enjoys interacting with, so whose fault is it? DONT JUDGE! u dont know what went down between 2 ppl in their past. everyone prince has an issue with is NOT INNOCENT! they also have faults! May the BELLS ring 4 U even when ur not in love.   | |
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How can you say someone is or isn't nice based on something you read, I don't know if you know this, but people do lie.
The press lies, people with a hidden agenda lie also. I met Prince, not at a concert, on a Airplane on a 7 hour flight to Honolulu, And we talked about a lot of things, he was actually very nice to people who respected his privacy. The ones that kept coming up to him asking for autographs got rejected, the ones that didn't seem to care or when they did talk didn't ask him for anything had a pleasant conversation. The adverage person has no idea of what its like to be famous and people demanding this from you, and acting as if you ole them something, He makes a product, if you like it then buy it, if not then don't, thats where it ends. He is not a God, and he is also not a slave, he is just human. He does not trust many people because they all want to take advantage of him, and the comments on this post proves that. If you was his friend then you may see him different, if you believe everything that you read then you may see him as an ass hole, I don't believe everything I read, because I know People and the Press tell Lies. How you gonna get my back when you fronting. | |
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WildheartXXX said: You know i've worked with children like Prince and he possesses so many symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder it is incredible! His kindness is idealistic and though real, is childish in a sense in that it's often huge gestures of generosity. Ie the whole Love 4 One Another concept. However when it comes down to simply communicating with people he cannot do it. The man cannot understand the concept that communication is two way. Prince only see's the world from Prince's point of view. He is hugely egocentric and the fact he freely drifts from concept to concept, whilst at the time is seemly obsessed with just the one, indicates that he's capable of massive lapses in concentration and then the complete opposite. Im not saying Prince has ADD that would be stupid but the way in which he acts makes me and all the people i know who work with people with ADD smile. He's a classic case!
what you are saying also reminds me of john lennon! or at least how he is portrayed in this book by geoff guilano where he says lennon was briefly a devout christian and then all of a sudden totally not. however guilano's reputation is, how shall i say it, less than pristine! | |
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Prince is just a guy. We all have our good days and our off days. Being famous doesn't oblige him to be perfect. Anyway who cares what Prince is like as a person, really? You don't need to be his best friend to dig his music. | |
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Hes music's greatest hermit & always has been. Just the way he is | |
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thecloud9mission said: Hes music's greatest hermit & always has been. Just the way he is
well excuuuse me  & | |
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