mozfonky said:

Mindflux said:

You're lying!

Firstly, you will have taken drugs at some point in your life. You will have taken painkillers, you will have drunk tea, coffee, or alcohol - you're just taking drugs that your government says are "ok"! (mind you, you live in Netherlands if I'm not mistaken, so you're government is actually a bit more lenient than others!).

Secondly, people who take drugs to be "cool" are stupid! There are many other reasons to take drugs and if they are POSITIVE reasons then lots of good can come from them. Taking drugs to escape the depression of poverty and such is not a good thing.

And, if you really believe that drug-taking leads to nothing good, then I'll leave Bill Hicks to answer that one for you;

"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal fucking high on drugs. The Beatles were so fucking high they let Ringo sing a few tunes."

Listen, if you don't want to take "illegal" drugs, that's fine - its a PERSONAL choice. Just don't start lecturing anyone else on how bad they are. For a start, you haven't taken them, so you DON'T KNOW!

No man, I mean, it's a choice but I've seen too many musicians end up ruined because of drugs. The stuff is more bad than good. I'm sure some good music came out of it but it usually ain't worth the price. Just think of all the talent we lost.

Sure, I've seen some musicians "ruined" by drugs too, but I've seen far more end up ruined through alcohol! But, most musicians seem to make it through just fine. Keith Richards is still here. Paul Macartney is still here. David Bowie is still here......etc etc

And its not just "some" good music, but MOST good music. Just take a look at any of the "Top 100" albums of all time - I did it to prove a point on the org a few months ago. Using Rolling Stone's list, 95 of the albums in that list were from known drug-taking artists. I'll say that again - 95% That's a CLEAR majority. And you know what else, most of those guys are still with us today.

Furthermore, some of the most famous intoxicated deaths were in fact down to good old LEGAL alcohol. Jimi Hendrix - alcohol. John Bonham - alcohol. Billie Holiday - alcohol. And of the few musicians I can think of who did die from illiegal drugs (Janis Joplin, for example), nearly all of them have been from heroin overdoses.

But, anyway, you seem to think we have lost a lot more talent due to illegal drugs, so perhaps you can enlighten me?

The dangers of drugs are exaggerated beyond belief, all part of the propaganda and people get sucked in to it (or, at least, those that haven't tried drugs do - those that are experienced know about the bullshit because none of the scare stories actually reflect the reality). Both alcohol and tobacco are FAR more dangerous than ANY of the illegal drugs. Either of those two LEGAL drugs kill way more people than ALL of the illegal drugs combined.

Funny how people seem to trust their governments when it comes to drugs issues, yet seem suspicious of their government over anything else!

There is a real distinction between the natural "drugs" and the man-made drugs. Pot or mushrooms will NOT harm you. I have NEVER seen somebody ruin their life with weed. I have had friends who I no longer associate with who became crackheads or junkies. It was sad to see how it turned out for them. Cocaine, while innocuous seeming at first, is very addictive. I've done my share, and I stopped. I didn't like where I saw it taking friends, and I could tell that if I didn't stop, I was going to develop a problem. Plus, it makes parties lame. A "certain" group of people will seem to disappear, doors are locked, and when they do make an appearance, they are all weird and paranoid-seeming.

To sum it up, don't do hard drugs and you will be just fine. I fear this has gone off topic and may be locked soon. I will try to prevent that by saying I really doubt Prince currently does any sort of hard drug or hallucinogens. The occasional joint, you bet. I have no proof for you, no candy. You either believe it or you don't.

Mindflux said:

mozfonky said:

No man, I mean, it's a choice but I've seen too many musicians end up ruined because of drugs. The stuff is more bad than good. I'm sure some good music came out of it but it usually ain't worth the price. Just think of all the talent we lost.

Sure, I've seen some musicians "ruined" by drugs too, but I've seen far more end up ruined through alcohol! But, most musicians seem to make it through just fine. Keith Richards is still here. Paul Macartney is still here. David Bowie is still here......etc etc

And its not just "some" good music, but MOST good music. Just take a look at any of the "Top 100" albums of all time - I did it to prove a point on the org a few months ago. Using Rolling Stone's list, 95 of the albums in that list were from known drug-taking artists. I'll say that again - 95% That's a CLEAR majority. And you know what else, most of those guys are still with us today.

Furthermore, some of the most famous intoxicated deaths were in fact down to good old LEGAL alcohol. Jimi Hendrix - alcohol. John Bonham - alcohol. Billie Holiday - alcohol. And of the few musicians I can think of who did die from illiegal drugs (Janis Joplin, for example), nearly all of them have been from heroin overdoses.

But, anyway, you seem to think we have lost a lot more talent due to illegal drugs, so perhaps you can enlighten me?

The dangers of drugs are exaggerated beyond belief, all part of the propaganda and people get sucked in to it (or, at least, those that haven't tried drugs do - those that are experienced know about the bullshit because none of the scare stories actually reflect the reality). Both alcohol and tobacco are FAR more dangerous than ANY of the illegal drugs. Either of those two LEGAL drugs kill way more people than ALL of the illegal drugs combined.

Funny how people seem to trust their governments when it comes to drugs issues, yet seem suspicious of their government over anything else!

you haven't been listening to me, alcohol is a drug, tobacco is a drug, alcohol is by far the worst in terms of how many people drink it and how many lives it affects. Tobacco of course kills millions. Now, as far as any lists of "great drug albums", that may be your list but the guys I love did most of their best stuff clean. Bruce Springsteen has always been pretty clean barring some beer. Elvis in the early days was clean, Prince drank wine occasionally in the early days if sources are correct but was otherwise clean. The beatles did a few great albums before revolver, in fact, some people prefer the pre LSD albums. So maybe your heroes all did their music high, but mines did not at least not all the time. Sly Stone did some of his best music as a heroin addict, Marvin Gaye always had coke and marijuana at hand, I doubt if stevie was heavy into anything. So is the shit necessary? I don't think so, can it open up channels of creativity? I guess so. Anyway, for me, it's not the way. If you want to do it go ahead, I don't care or even know you. But for me, all the drug use gets in the way, it's the main reason I work alone.

good to see a few ppl brought up boozre and cancer sticks. i will never understand why they are legal when weed isn't. booze has killed so many ppl fucking up their livers and such and drunk driving. all the ppl who have died from smoking cigs. i don't understand why that shit is legal!!!

weed is harmless when compared booze! no hangover. i've driven home while coming off on pot. your even more alert then when sober. i would never think of driving drunk. but then again i barely ever drink anyway!

mozfonky said:

Mindflux said:

Sure, I've seen some musicians "ruined" by drugs too, but I've seen far more end up ruined through alcohol! But, most musicians seem to make it through just fine. Keith Richards is still here. Paul Macartney is still here. David Bowie is still here......etc etc

And its not just "some" good music, but MOST good music. Just take a look at any of the "Top 100" albums of all time - I did it to prove a point on the org a few months ago. Using Rolling Stone's list, 95 of the albums in that list were from known drug-taking artists. I'll say that again - 95% That's a CLEAR majority. And you know what else, most of those guys are still with us today.

Furthermore, some of the most famous intoxicated deaths were in fact down to good old LEGAL alcohol. Jimi Hendrix - alcohol. John Bonham - alcohol. Billie Holiday - alcohol. And of the few musicians I can think of who did die from illiegal drugs (Janis Joplin, for example), nearly all of them have been from heroin overdoses.

But, anyway, you seem to think we have lost a lot more talent due to illegal drugs, so perhaps you can enlighten me?

The dangers of drugs are exaggerated beyond belief, all part of the propaganda and people get sucked in to it (or, at least, those that haven't tried drugs do - those that are experienced know about the bullshit because none of the scare stories actually reflect the reality). Both alcohol and tobacco are FAR more dangerous than ANY of the illegal drugs. Either of those two LEGAL drugs kill way more people than ALL of the illegal drugs combined.

Funny how people seem to trust their governments when it comes to drugs issues, yet seem suspicious of their government over anything else!

you haven't been listening to me, alcohol is a drug, tobacco is a drug, alcohol is by far the worst in terms of how many people drink it and how many lives it affects. Tobacco of course kills millions. Now, as far as any lists of "great drug albums", that may be your list but the guys I love did most of their best stuff clean. Bruce Springsteen has always been pretty clean barring some beer. Elvis in the early days was clean, Prince drank wine occasionally in the early days if sources are correct but was otherwise clean. The beatles did a few great albums before revolver, in fact, some people prefer the pre LSD albums. So maybe your heroes all did their music high, but mines did not at least not all the time. Sly Stone did some of his best music as a heroin addict, Marvin Gaye always had coke and marijuana at hand, I doubt if stevie was heavy into anything. So is the shit necessary? I don't think so, can it open up channels of creativity? I guess so. Anyway, for me, it's not the way. If you want to do it go ahead, I don't care or even know you. But for me, all the drug use gets in the way, it's the main reason I work alone.

Dude, I got no problem with you or your views, let's just make that clear. But I certainly have been listening to you, hence my detailed responses.

Now, the list I was referring to wasn't a list of "great drug albums", it was the Top 100 albums of all time, according to RS (we all have our own idea of what the top 100 would be, but given that this is a popular list with all the usual subjects, it makes it relevant as it was, typically, mainstream).

Bruce was one of those on the list who was in the 5%, as was Stevie. People are free to enjoy the Beatles "pre-LSD" albums, however the concensus is that their best work came after their minds were "opened" and I certainly agree with that.

Also, I didn't say they were my musical heroes - again, I picked a "general" and "popular" list.

Is it necessary? Certainly not - and, in fact, when I'm in the studio, I'm rarely high (well, other than having had a spliff or 2). Same with performing live - generally, just a beer and a spliff, otherwise its just too difficult. I once had to do a gig whilst on some seriously strong LSD and I probably played only 6 of the 40 or so parts I had to play! So, I wouldn't recommend it - time and a place and all that.

Can it open up channels of creativity? Definitely - but, it won't suddenly turn you in to some musical genius, or make you better at what you do. All it can do is enhance certain charecteristics or make see/hear/feel things with a different perspective and perhaps make you think of something you may not have thought of straight. But, again, it won't provide you with anything more than the talent you have.

For you, you don't want it and that's fine - I would never encourage anyone to do anything they don't want to and, as I said before, its entirely a personal choice. For me, it works fine - I've smoked pot for 20 years and dabbled in other things too. But everything in moderation - I've never lost the plot, lacked motivation, lost a job, stolen anything, hurt anybody and I'm successful at what I do. Horses for courses, as they say - but be assured I don't view anybody as lacking in anything just because they choose not to do drugs and I don't think that people who do take drugs are superior in any way. Each to their own - live and let live

Peace

purplemookiebut said:

prodigalfan said:

Try using a vaporizer. No coughing.

Someone dear to me is a legal receipient of medical cannabis. He vaporizes. No cough, and more importantly no foul smell in house.

yeah its not so much that i cough while smoking its just random throughout the day. yeah i've only heard good things about about vaporizers. are they expensive? are they like huge hooka's? i mean none of my family know i ever tried weed b4. i know my dad used to a bit but my mom's a square and tried it once and coughed and mocked it since. she was dating a guy in a rockband whose brother thought she was a square and spiked her drink with something. she said the trees had faces like the wizard of oz as fid the sidewalk and pavement and they were talking to her.

shit i had a old mans pipe, a corncob pipe from my ex which broke and my stepcosin made a pipe with tinfoil...never tried it as a joint. if it can be hidden in like a old purse with a vibrator then thats about the only spot my snopping mother won't look in is my sex toy purse....I HAVE NO PRIVACY

i should go to a ozzfest an buy a glass bowl.

where i worked everyone sold or grew. the supervisor even had a deal with my ex that if they did a good job she's toss him a nic or dimebag sometimes. ohh that was good shit too. but that was like 2 yrs ago. if i had a source i'm sure i'd have weed in the house more often...

u know what it makes even more fun

I just asked my relative. A decent vaporizer cost about $100. I am told it is like a hooka without water. It is a small box with a heat element similar to a car cigarette lighter. You have a small glass bowl that you can place a small amount of your product; the glass bowl is attached to a very long clear vinyl tube. You place the bowl on the heat element. It causes your product to get very hot yet not burn. The oils and resins are then "vaporized" and you inhale those vapors. No smoke, no smell.

I wished my father who died of cancer was brave enough to defy the law and use cannabis. He felt it was wrong to "break the law". We had to spend a lot of money paying cash price for Marinol... the pharmaceutical synthetic Cannabis that costed 1000 times more than Marijuana on the streets, was not covered by insurance company (of course ) and not eligible to buy from cheaper Canada even doctor prescription. My family was stuck between a rock and a hard place..... and not just by the disease... the prescribed treatment and that state's stand on medicinal use Marijuana victimized and robbed our family. I used to go to pharmacy with my mom and I used my Visa card and she would use hers and we would each buy a half of a month's supply of Marinol. One month supply was I think more than $300.

prodigalfan said:

purplemookiebut said:

yeah its not so much that i cough while smoking its just random throughout the day. yeah i've only heard good things about about vaporizers. are they expensive? are they like huge hooka's? i mean none of my family know i ever tried weed b4. i know my dad used to a bit but my mom's a square and tried it once and coughed and mocked it since. she was dating a guy in a rockband whose brother thought she was a square and spiked her drink with something. she said the trees had faces like the wizard of oz as fid the sidewalk and pavement and they were talking to her.

shit i had a old mans pipe, a corncob pipe from my ex which broke and my stepcosin made a pipe with tinfoil...never tried it as a joint. if it can be hidden in like a old purse with a vibrator then thats about the only spot my snopping mother won't look in is my sex toy purse....I HAVE NO PRIVACY

i should go to a ozzfest an buy a glass bowl.

where i worked everyone sold or grew. the supervisor even had a deal with my ex that if they did a good job she's toss him a nic or dimebag sometimes. ohh that was good shit too. but that was like 2 yrs ago. if i had a source i'm sure i'd have weed in the house more often...

u know what it makes even more fun

I just asked my relative. A decent vaporizer cost about $100. I am told it is like a hooka without water. It is a small box with a heat element similar to a car cigarette lighter. You have a small glass bowl that you can place a small amount of your product; the glass bowl is attached to a very long clear vinyl tube. You place the bowl on the heat element. It causes your product to get very hot yet not burn. The oils and resins are then "vaporized" and you inhale those vapors. No smoke, no smell.

I wished my father who died of cancer was brave enough to defy the law and use cannabis. He felt it was wrong to "break the law". We had to spend a lot of money paying cash price for Marinol... the pharmaceutical synthetic Cannabis that costed 1000 times more than Marijuana on the streets, was not covered by insurance company (of course ) and not eligible to buy from cheaper Canada even doctor prescription. My family was stuck between a rock and a hard place..... and not just by the disease... the prescribed treatment and that state's stand on medicinal use Marijuana victimized and robbed our family. I used to go to pharmacy with my mom and I used my Visa card and she would use hers and we would each buy a half of a month's supply of Marinol. One month supply was I think more than $300.

You are right about vapes, but you also attach a plastic bag at the end of the lil tube that comes out of the machine so the vape smoke (for lack of a better term) fills up in the balloon and you inhale from there. This allows you to not waste any of the thc molecules and it gives the air a little time to cool from being heated.

Sorry about your father, man. My dispensary's co-op is run by a guy who went through similar stuff with his mother and cancer. He runs his business almost in tribute to her given the circumstances. Pretty awful stuff, what the government's been allowed to do to cannabis. I think that if people truly could separate the stoner image from cannabis and they saw actually how many products in their lives could be made cheaper, faster, stronger, and better with hemp they would be more supportive. Not to mention if people saw just how sophisticated the industry is. Out here in California, THC comes in any fomr imaginable, ingested via any medium you could think of, and is available in doses that rise in increments to better tailor to a person's needs. There's no glorification of "drug lifestyle" or anything of the sort and the people involved in the industry tend to be some of the most compassionate people around.

This is a fascinating topic, one that really seems to divide fans. I think the division is based on the expectations of Prince, of maybe his moral compass or something. Yes, he's said in interviews that he doesn't do drugs. Then again, he's said a LOT of things in interviews that are fabricated.

I have an old friend who is a big Prince fan and a musician. He read the interviews when he was younger and has adapted that into his persona, because he wanted to be like Prince. Now? He's nearly 40 and still anti-drugs and alcohol. Why? Based on a perception that isn't necessarily true. Funny thing is, he's into some other things that would raise eyebrows.

This topic is mostly fascinating because of the results the experience had on Prince's career. I think they are positive results. I think Lovesexy is a better album than the Black Album in some ways, and I'm glad we can all listen to both to hear the before and after.

This same experience gave Ingrid Chavez her career with Prince, which lead to an album and a movie role...all because he tried X. Interesting isn't it? As I wrote in my original thread about this, I'd always thought it was Ingrid that gave Prince the X, not Cat. In fact, you'll notice Cat is missing from all reports, which implied (to me at least) that Ingrid was responsible.

It was strange and wonderful circumstance that allowed me to meet Cat, and I never expected her to be so cool and forthcoming. Her stories (and she had many) were not meant to be disrespectful or to inflate her ego. She was just sharing some amazing (and funny) experiences that she's lived. She volunteered the Ecstacy story because she'd heard it being reported wrong. Then again, she'd also told me how she read stories of her death and drug abuse, which bothered her.

I don't think Cat would have any problem with my telling the story, as long as I was getting it right.

I've always wished that Prince and Ingrid had never met.

On top of how much I dislike 'the artist' in her, only to think she could have some responsabilities in the shelving of TBA makes me wanna twist her neck.

vitriol said:

I've always wished that Prince and Ingrid had never met.

On top of how much I dislike 'the artist' in her, only to think she could have some responsabilities in the shelving of TBA makes me wanna twist her neck.

^ lol

She was just a boring protege' to me...

2 deep 4 my tastes

prodigalfan said:

purplemookiebut said:

yeah its not so much that i cough while smoking its just random throughout the day. yeah i've only heard good things about about vaporizers. are they expensive? are they like huge hooka's? i mean none of my family know i ever tried weed b4. i know my dad used to a bit but my mom's a square and tried it once and coughed and mocked it since. she was dating a guy in a rockband whose brother thought she was a square and spiked her drink with something. she said the trees had faces like the wizard of oz as fid the sidewalk and pavement and they were talking to her.

shit i had a old mans pipe, a corncob pipe from my ex which broke and my stepcosin made a pipe with tinfoil...never tried it as a joint. if it can be hidden in like a old purse with a vibrator then thats about the only spot my snopping mother won't look in is my sex toy purse....I HAVE NO PRIVACY

i should go to a ozzfest an buy a glass bowl.

where i worked everyone sold or grew. the supervisor even had a deal with my ex that if they did a good job she's toss him a nic or dimebag sometimes. ohh that was good shit too. but that was like 2 yrs ago. if i had a source i'm sure i'd have weed in the house more often...

u know what it makes even more fun

I just asked my relative. A decent vaporizer cost about $100. I am told it is like a hooka without water. It is a small box with a heat element similar to a car cigarette lighter. You have a small glass bowl that you can place a small amount of your product; the glass bowl is attached to a very long clear vinyl tube. You place the bowl on the heat element. It causes your product to get very hot yet not burn. The oils and resins are then "vaporized" and you inhale those vapors. No smoke, no smell.

I wished my father who died of cancer was brave enough to defy the law and use cannabis. He felt it was wrong to "break the law". We had to spend a lot of money paying cash price for Marinol... the pharmaceutical synthetic Cannabis that costed 1000 times more than Marijuana on the streets, was not covered by insurance company (of course ) and not eligible to buy from cheaper Canada even doctor prescription. My family was stuck between a rock and a hard place..... and not just by the disease... the prescribed treatment and that state's stand on medicinal use Marijuana victimized and robbed our family. I used to go to pharmacy with my mom and I used my Visa card and she would use hers and we would each buy a half of a month's supply of Marinol. One month supply was I think more than $300.

yeah i love the show weeds and i've seen a few special on weed on say msnbc...that vaporizer sounds kool!

Spinlight said:

prodigalfan said:

I just asked my relative. A decent vaporizer cost about $100. I am told it is like a hooka without water. It is a small box with a heat element similar to a car cigarette lighter. You have a small glass bowl that you can place a small amount of your product; the glass bowl is attached to a very long clear vinyl tube. You place the bowl on the heat element. It causes your product to get very hot yet not burn. The oils and resins are then "vaporized" and you inhale those vapors. No smoke, no smell.

I wished my father who died of cancer was brave enough to defy the law and use cannabis. He felt it was wrong to "break the law". We had to spend a lot of money paying cash price for Marinol... the pharmaceutical synthetic Cannabis that costed 1000 times more than Marijuana on the streets, was not covered by insurance company (of course ) and not eligible to buy from cheaper Canada even doctor prescription. My family was stuck between a rock and a hard place..... and not just by the disease... the prescribed treatment and that state's stand on medicinal use Marijuana victimized and robbed our family. I used to go to pharmacy with my mom and I used my Visa card and she would use hers and we would each buy a half of a month's supply of Marinol. One month supply was I think more than $300.

You are right about vapes, but you also attach a plastic bag at the end of the lil tube that comes out of the machine so the vape smoke (for lack of a better term) fills up in the balloon and you inhale from there. This allows you to not waste any of the thc molecules and it gives the air a little time to cool from being heated.

Sorry about your father, man. My dispensary's co-op is run by a guy who went through similar stuff with his mother and cancer. He runs his business almost in tribute to her given the circumstances. Pretty awful stuff, what the government's been allowed to do to cannabis. I think that if people truly could separate the stoner image from cannabis and they saw actually how many products in their lives could be made cheaper, faster, stronger, and better with hemp they would be more supportive. Not to mention if people saw just how sophisticated the industry is. Out here in California, THC comes in any fomr imaginable, ingested via any medium you could think of, and is available in doses that rise in increments to better tailor to a person's needs. There's no glorification of "drug lifestyle" or anything of the sort and the people involved in the industry tend to be some of the most compassionate people around.

you know i remember being in a a tattoo shop in las vegas called diversity across from the water park. i went to get my eyebrow piercings. the place was huge. one side had the tattoo booths and the piercing room and the other they were selling clothes and had a whole display. there were bongs,hooka's and bowls. is weed legal on the strip? i seen a few little dimebags in the display but only glanced being i never tried it b4 and i was just a teen then...i mean no it wasn't looking like a bakery with signs or anything...so they just gonna put it there to signifify what its for? idk maybe it was salvia???say u go to like NEW HOPE PENNSYLVANIA. an old town in the 60's big with hippies. headshops,witch stores,art galleries....i've seen stickers saying we sell Herbal Ecstasy here![b/] what is that really?? anyone try it?

i found the site erowid.com. it is all about drugs. the effects,chemstry behind it, experiences, doses...{b} a huge database!!! i gotta get on to that site again.....

omg google is evil...i just found this

http://www.narcomundo.com/

i gotta lurk on here.........

haha at disclaimer!!

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Also, to be sure you can attain this high without the risk of legal problems. We want to be sure that you do not get arrested with any controlled drug substance, because you will loose much more than your stash. You may loose your job to say the least. Then the shit hits the fan and you are headed for a downward spiral. Who pays the rent, mortgage, car payment, etc. You get the point! Don’t get high on illegal drugs! You will be facing your worst nightmare!

Further, our objective is to decrease the use of illicit drugs by providing you a safe herbal high alternative to ecstasy, for euphoria and natural high sensations, and at the same time prevent you from any altercation with the law.

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Ecstasy is a “mood elevator” that produces a relaxed, euphoric state. It does not produce hallucinations. Ecstasy exerts its primary effects in the brain on neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays an important role in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. It takes effect within 20-40 minutes after ingesting, with little rushes of exhilaration which can be accompanied by nausea. You do not feel the peak effects until approximately 60-90 minutes after taking the drug. At this time sensations are enhanced and the user may experience heightened feelings of empathy, emotional warmth, and self-acceptance. Most individuals report that their experience was very pleasant and highly controllable and otherwise totally unremarkable. Even at the peak of the effect, they can usually deal with important matters. The effects of this drug usually subside after 3-5 hours.

holy shit erowid says a hangover for weeks can happen

[Edited 2/4/11 20:35pm]

purplemookiebut said:

haha at disclaimer!!

The Internet’s best source for Herbal Ecstasy, Legal Highs, Herbal Highs, Legal Ecstasy, GHB Alternatives, Magic Mushrooms and More!!

Objectives

Our objective is to supply information on Legal Highs, tips on Herbal Highs, and helpful hints for Ravers, who love Herbal Ecstasy, as well as clubbers who are eager to try these products, and Party people looking to get high naturally with Herbal Highs, Legal Herbal Ecstasy, and Legal Highs. Why risk problems with Ecstasy, when you can go natural and legal with these alternative products and not have a worry in the world.

Also, to be sure you can attain this high without the risk of legal problems. We want to be sure that you do not get arrested with any controlled drug substance, because you will loose much more than your stash. You may loose your job to say the least. Then the shit hits the fan and you are headed for a downward spiral. Who pays the rent, mortgage, car payment, etc. You get the point! Don’t get high on illegal drugs! You will be facing your worst nightmare!

Further, our objective is to decrease the use of illicit drugs by providing you a safe herbal high alternative to ecstasy, for euphoria and natural high sensations, and at the same time prevent you from any altercation with the law.

of this site=

Ecstasy is a “mood elevator” that produces a relaxed, euphoric state. It does not produce hallucinations. Ecstasy exerts its primary effects in the brain on neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays an important role in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. It takes effect within 20-40 minutes after ingesting, with little rushes of exhilaration which can be accompanied by nausea. You do not feel the peak effects until approximately 60-90 minutes after taking the drug. At this time sensations are enhanced and the user may experience heightened feelings of empathy, emotional warmth, and self-acceptance. Most individuals report that their experience was very pleasant and highly controllable and otherwise totally unremarkable. Even at the peak of the effect, they can usually deal with important matters. The effects of this drug usually subside after 3-5 hours.

holy shit erowid says a hangover for weeks can happen

[Edited 2/4/11 20:35pm]

Don't believe this marketing bullshit about "legal highs" - they have been found to be generally more dangerous than the illegal drugs they are trying to replace! People generally do not know what's in them (at least Ecstacy pills can be easily tested as to what they are made with and the effects of MDMA and its variants are well-known and documented).

The whole "facing your worst nightmare with illegal drugs" is scaremongering and just dodgy sales tactics. Furthermore, most "legal highs" don't produce the hit that people are looking for and, hence, people end up taking dangerous amounts.

If you want the feeling of Ecstacy, take ecstacy from a reputable source and, if possible, get it tested first. Legal highs can be anything from plant food to dodgy chemical by-products and shouldn't be trusted at all!

As for the "hangover for weeks" - you'd have to be taking the drug in high amounts and very frequently to get that sort of effect (and, of course, its different for each individual anyway). Usually, people who take E at a weekend party will get what they call the "Tuesday blues", as it takes a few days for the "downer" to kick in. But its usually not as bad as an alcohol hangover and some decent rest and good food will normally kick you back in to shape within 24 hours.

You could write a movie about this experience.

So much speculation!

minneapolisFunq said:

You could write a movie about this experience.

So much speculation!

Wouldn't be very good though, would it?

Musician takes pill, loses it for a few hours, goes home with a girl and sleeps it off. Fin.

Mindflux said:

minneapolisFunq said:

You could write a movie about this experience.

So much speculation!

Wouldn't be very good though, would it?

Musician takes pill, loses it for a few hours, goes home with a girl and sleeps it off. Fin.

You could add some theatrical elements to it and make it something like alice in wonderland.

the creator of teenage mutant ninja turtles was trippoing on acid when he came up with the concept for the show

another point is, prince has always been difficult to decipher, I mean the guy has put effort into being wierd and he succeeded. Remember the Bandstand appearance? How he had a way, even then, of alienating some, tittilating others but getting everyone's attention. It's really hard to tell what's for effect and what's real with Prince. He understood mythmaking, probably better than just about anyone this side of David Bowie. Prince could have just been toying with everyone with all the black/lovesexy stuff as he'd done many times before. He always seemed to be trying some new epiphany of one kind or other and after many incarnations, it's just rehash for us more jaded fans. For me, the albums just weren't as good as the previous several, in fact, not even close in my mind. What does the other stuff really matter, it just detracts from albums that didn't measure up to his earlier work. This is not to say that P didn't do the exstacy, I just think everything is played up and amplified. Also, I've said this many times, I have a hard time sleeping when a few girls scream over me, Prince, with that kind of stardom would have had a hard time staying grounded, anyone would have. I don't think his getting lost at certain points is different than what would happen to anyone. Has nothing to do with his character or lack of. I remember first hearing of Bruce Lee being a cannabis user, it just didn't seem possible that this health nut would ever do anything like it, but after maturing I was able to accept that Bruce was under such inhuman stress and that his temperament made it impossible to relax without something. Fame is a motherfucker.

I would've understood if some bubble gum pop artist apologized for the black album, and had

tried to stop it's release, due to a X trip.

But Prince using this excuse. PLEASE!

Were talking about the KING OF SHOCK!

Prince music was dark way before the black album.

When the album was completed couldn't he have just destroyed it.

But instead leaks out dark stories to the public, and pretend he's not going to release the album.

The results - High demand for the album. The black album becomes a collector's item.

Now that's what I call great marketing.

then there is the story that Prince really stopped the black album after WB told him that they would not do any promotion for it.

NightGod said:

This is a fascinating topic, one that really seems to divide fans. I think the division is based on the expectations of Prince, of maybe his moral compass or something. Yes, he's said in interviews that he doesn't do drugs. Then again, he's said a LOT of things in interviews that are fabricated.

I have an old friend who is a big Prince fan and a musician. He read the interviews when he was younger and has adapted that into his persona, because he wanted to be like Prince. Now? He's nearly 40 and still anti-drugs and alcohol. Why? Based on a perception that isn't necessarily true. Funny thing is, he's into some other things that would raise eyebrows.

This topic is mostly fascinating because of the results the experience had on Prince's career. I think they are positive results. I think Lovesexy is a better album than the Black Album in some ways, and I'm glad we can all listen to both to hear the before and after.

This same experience gave Ingrid Chavez her career with Prince, which lead to an album and a movie role...all because he tried X. Interesting isn't it? As I wrote in my original thread about this, I'd always thought it was Ingrid that gave Prince the X, not Cat. In fact, you'll notice Cat is missing from all reports, which implied (to me at least) that Ingrid was responsible.

It was strange and wonderful circumstance that allowed me to meet Cat, and I never expected her to be so cool and forthcoming. Her stories (and she had many) were not meant to be disrespectful or to inflate her ego. She was just sharing some amazing (and funny) experiences that she's lived. She volunteered the Ecstacy story because she'd heard it being reported wrong. Then again, she'd also told me how she read stories of her death and drug abuse, which bothered her.

I don't think Cat would have any problem with my telling the story, as long as I was getting it right.

vitriol said:

I've always wished that Prince and Ingrid had never met.

On top of how much I dislike 'the artist' in her, only to think she could have some responsabilities in the shelving of TBA makes me wanna twist her neck.

I love her Paisley Park LP. Though, that rendition of Frosty The Snowman she recently unleashed upon us certainly originated from the darkest depths of hell.

ufoclub said:

Dogsinthetrees said:

Every few months I must point out the video in which he can be seen hitting a (blurred-out, but still obvious) bong, blowing out the smoke, and heard coughing. It's on video! VH1 Love4OneAnother special during "Rock and Roll Is Alive". I'd link to prove it, but we all know that's not allowed. Search for yourself, it's on the internet and not hard to find. As for the cocaine, did you see the James Brown, Michael Jackson, and Prince video? Have you ever done coke? Of course, I can't say for certain as I wasn't backstage with him before this performance, but observation goes a long way. Don't look down on him for it, he's human, and a grown one to boot. As long as you enjoy (or at least did at some point) his music, who cares if he does/did drugs on his own time? He never got too fucked up to put on a good show, so it's no big deal. Have you considered that although he may have done some drugs, he didn't necessarily want it to be public knowledge? I smoke weed and I don't post shit about that on my facebook or anywhere people can see who I really am. That's just silly. He wouldn't want that kind of publicity/backlash, especially in the '80s with Tipper Gore up his ass about the lyrics already. Also, young people tend to try to emulate their heroes, and he didn't need any parents boycotting his shit because of what he may or may not have done in the privacy of his own home/tourbus/backstage area/recording studio. Everyone is a hypocrite at some point in their life, it's unavoidable.

How does the James Brown video look like Coke? Coke makes you confident and springy in your step, makes you ALERT, and fast, and productive (that's why it's the drug of choice for businessmen). He seemed more like drunk from what I remember.

Totally agree.

Imagine you did xtc once. Then 24 years later people were still talking about it. Prince would probably say all yall's on drugs. Breaking news: The guy's human.

I'm just sticking my head into orgland after being away for a long while, and it just cracks me up that it's the exact same fucking threads as the last time I was here, and every time before that since forever and ever.

I love you people. You different people who are the same people.

tackam said:

I'm just sticking my head into orgland after being away for a long while, and it just cracks me up that it's the exact same fucking threads as the last time I was here, and every time before that since forever and ever.

I love you people. You different people who are the same people.

I imagine you're right to an extent, but as for me, sometimes I'll listen to some of the old stuff and hear with the 20+ years of life experience and hear the music differently, that's why I'm interested in this topic. I relistened to Bob George and was fascinated at the depth which I completely missed as a young man. I don't think the music is that great but the song as a whole is touched ever so slightly by Prince's demented genius. I forget in psychology what the id, ego and superego were each seperately designated as but I think the id and the ego are speaking to each other on this song hence "this is your conscience motherfucker". This is the kind of depth which white critics never give black artists credit for lyrically or conceptually. Fascinating to me.

squirrelgrease said:

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/Temporary-5/ecstasy-pill.jpg[/img:$uid]

SEE!!! There's the proof!!

Top row, 7th from the left...

7th? really?!?! And with his symbol on it?!?!!!!

He took that shit, sang about that shit AND he MADE that shit!!!

RenHoek said:

squirrelgrease said:

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/Temporary-5/ecstasy-pill.jpg[/img:$uid]

SEE!!! There's the proof!!

Top row, 7th from the left...

7th? really?!?! And with his symbol on it?!?!!!!

He took that shit, sang about that shit AND he MADE that shit!!!

that pic makes me want some of these cause they look like candy!!

that prince symbol one stands out like a sore thumb...don't ya think it should be purple?

RenHoek said:

squirrelgrease said:

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/Temporary-5/ecstasy-pill.jpg[/img:$uid]

SEE!!! There's the proof!!

Top row, 7th from the left...

7th? really?!?! And with his symbol on it?!?!!!!

He took that shit, sang about that shit AND he MADE that shit!!!