rapper said:

Francis7 said:

I keep hearing mention on the Org about "the night Prince did Ecstacy" - I'm confused- I thought he was anti-drugs? And what exactly happened on this night? details!

X is the least you should be worried about. Ask him about his habitual cocaine use over the years.

He has fired several musicians because of their drug use over the years, particularly because of their cocaine habit, and during the Purple Rain tour some of his staff even left a message for him to let him know that some people were doing coke...he was strictly against coke back then but was probably too naive to see the truth,so people tried to give him a hint.

I wouldn´t rule out the possibility that he´s tried things by now, including coke, ecstasy and probably weed, but when you say something like "habitual cocaine use" you could at least provide a source because otherwise it´s just unjustified slander without any kind of basis whatsoever.

I have heard those rumors, too, especially those rumors spread by certain groupies who were backstage during the Lovesexy tour and who claimed they saw him snorting coke but they´re just rumors, nothing more, and why would he fire bandmembers for doing coke if he´s using it himself?

Doesn´t make any sense to me. If Prince was doing coke, we would have heard of it or noticed it by now, don´t you think?

He´s probably the cleanest living rock musician ever.

And that ecstasy anecdote may be true, but I still find it blown out of proportion. Many people have done E for a while without any noticeable longtime sideeffects or damages. No big deal,IMO, though I wouldn´t touch it myself.

swdee said:

There is no concrete evidence and these rumours if examined seem to fall apart.

The night when Susan Rogers saw him with dilated pupils.. erm IT WAS DARK with only a couple of candles, and that makes your pupils dilate!

Susan interpreting that as 'beings on drugs' means she doesn't understand this basic human response to darkness.

The reporter who claimed Cat told him she gave Prince extascy, firstly why should we believe anything a reporter tells us and secondly he was told that by an ex (disgruntled) employee...

Same principal applies to the Matt Fink comfirming some drugs story.

I'm not saying I don't think Prince never did drugs (we can never be 100% sure) but based on the very flimsy 'evidence' above plus that fact that up to and always after he has always sung AGAINST drug taking (and didn't he sack a bodyguard for taking drugs?), it seems very very unlikely.

The whole situation is just like say a Christian singer making albums promoting christianity and some reporter telling us on one night that singer denounced their religion and worshipped the devil then carried on being christian again, I think that would seem very unlikely too.

[Edited 2/3/11 10:21am]

There's also the phone call he made to Krattinger shortler before susan arrived though, people on ecstacy get very "lovey dovey" and she said that it was the only time Prince was like that with her. I also trust Susan Rogers' sentiment entirely, even though I dont know her. From what i've read she seems like a very level headed person, intelligent and she adored Prince and wouldn't lie about him I don't think. Of course there isn't any concrete evidence he was on ecstacy, the accounts from people in his camp at the time definitley point to it!

I personally feel he did ecstacy, on more than one occasion but the habit was short lived. I think it wasn't the reason for cancelling the black album, I feel with the backlash he received with parade/UTCM which was the first in his career he decided to withdraw it and concentrate on making an album that would get the critics on his side again. The whole "revelation" thing was probably just a publicity stunt I think

[Edited 2/3/11 11:09am]

Prince has never done coke or weed. Liars!

As for the ecstasy? Hmm...there was that one time he and Cat went driving down sunset butt ass naked but everybody does it so wutevs.

KoolEaze said:

why would he fire bandmembers for doing coke if he´s using it himself?

Well, don't forget that hypocrisy is one of Prince's main features.

He spends his whole life (especially as of late) preaching this and doing that.

Not that this is the point of the discussion but Prince is more than capable of reprimanding his musicians for certain things and then doing them himself.

TheScouser said:

DMSR BOOK: Prince has spoken of a crucial "Dark night of the soul, when a lot of things happened all in a few hours" and described a vision of a vast field with the letters G-O-D hovering overhead. He would refer to that night, Tuesday December 1st as "Blue Tuesday" in the Lovesexy Programme.

"I suddenly realised that we can die at any moment", he said. "And we'd be judged by the last thing". Prince indicated in the programme liner notes that he realised that the Black Album was a work of hate and that realising it would be wrong. he believed that "Spooky Electric", which can be considered the dark side of his persona or a symbol of Satan himself, convinced him to create this thing of 'evil'. Prince eventually attributed his last minute decision to shelve the black album to god and the 'lovesexy spirit', "the feeling you get when you fall in love, not with a girl or boy but the heavens above"

Regardless of Prince's self-made mythology, it is alleged amongst some close associates that his decision to cancel the realse was directly influenced by an experiment with the drug ecstacy.

"I was told he got very scared when he was high on a trip and it made him realise that it would be wrong to release the album" Says badeux. "He thought he was going to hell and that stopped him from releasing it". Matt Fink confirms the story - "He had a bad xtc trip and felt that the album was the devil working through him. I heard this directly from Gilbert who was there at PP the night it happened. Prince was with Cat or Ingrid"

Krattinger recieved a perculiar phone call from prince the night of December 1st, "it was 1:30am and he said "karen?" and i said "what?!" and he said "i just called to tell you i love you" i said "you know what Prince? I love you too and I think you should know that because I wouldn't but up with this shit if I didn't". He said that he was sorry he was so hard on me and that he needed my help to do right. He also said that it was hard fro him to express his feelings. That was about the extent of the conversation. He never said anything like that again. The next day was very strange because he seemed embarassed. It's possible that the call was drug-induced, though I had never know him to do anything but drink wine"

(this is where things get interesting, gives me chills)

At about the same time, Prince summoned Rogers to Paisley Park in the early hours although she was no longer working for him. "I went into the rehearsal room, which is sort of in the middle of the building" she remembers. "It was two in the morning and it was empty. It was dark except for a couple of red canldes and I heard a womans voice say "Are you looking for Prince?". I found out later that the woman was Ingrid Chavez. I said "yes, i'm supposed to meet him here at 2am.". she said "well he's here somehwere". As I came out of the room, I suddenly came face-to-face with him an I'm certain he was high. His pupils were really dilated and he looked unlike I'd ever seen him look before. He looked like he was tripping. He was standing very close to me and he asked "I just want to know one thing, do you still love me?" And I said that I did and that I knew he loved me. He said "Will you stay?" And I said "No, I wont. Goodnight" I headed to the door. It was really scary"

Prince had always been very wary of drugs of all kinds and according to most accounts, the ecstacy trip was a one-off experience

This is what I remember reading as well (have the book).

vitriol said:

hypocrisy is one of Prince's main features.

He spends his whole life (especially as of late) preaching this and doing that.

Can you back up that statement with examples?

^Can't be bothered.

If you have to ask that then you must have read very little about Prince.

vitriol said:

^Can't be bothered.

If you have to ask that then you must have read very little about Prince.

Careful. Now they will bitch that people who DO know that info don't talk about it more. lol.

PurpleLove7 said:

TheScouser said:

This is what I remember reading as well (have the book).

Same. I believe that Prince only did one ecstasy trip and that's it. Nothing else

Every few months I must point out the video in which he can be seen hitting a (blurred-out, but still obvious) bong, blowing out the smoke, and heard coughing. It's on video! VH1 Love4OneAnother special during "Rock and Roll Is Alive". I'd link to prove it, but we all know that's not allowed. Search for yourself, it's on the internet and not hard to find. As for the cocaine, did you see the James Brown, Michael Jackson, and Prince video? Have you ever done coke? Of course, I can't say for certain as I wasn't backstage with him before this performance, but observation goes a long way. Don't look down on him for it, he's human, and a grown one to boot. As long as you enjoy (or at least did at some point) his music, who cares if he does/did drugs on his own time? He never got too fucked up to put on a good show, so it's no big deal. Have you considered that although he may have done some drugs, he didn't necessarily want it to be public knowledge? I smoke weed and I don't post shit about that on my facebook or anywhere people can see who I really am. That's just silly. He wouldn't want that kind of publicity/backlash, especially in the '80s with Tipper Gore up his ass about the lyrics already. Also, young people tend to try to emulate their heroes, and he didn't need any parents boycotting his shit because of what he may or may not have done in the privacy of his own home/tourbus/backstage area/recording studio. Everyone is a hypocrite at some point in their life, it's unavoidable.

Dogsinthetrees said:

Every few months I must point out the video in which he can be seen hitting a (blurred-out, but still obvious) bong, blowing out the smoke, and heard coughing. It's on video! VH1 Love4OneAnother special during "Rock and Roll Is Alive". I'd link to prove it, but we all know that's not allowed. Search for yourself, it's on the internet and not hard to find. As for the cocaine, did you see the James Brown, Michael Jackson, and Prince video? Have you ever done coke? Of course, I can't say for certain as I wasn't backstage with him before this performance, but observation goes a long way. Don't look down on him for it, he's human, and a grown one to boot. As long as you enjoy (or at least did at some point) his music, who cares if he does/did drugs on his own time? He never got too fucked up to put on a good show, so it's no big deal. Have you considered that although he may have done some drugs, he didn't necessarily want it to be public knowledge? I smoke weed and I don't post shit about that on my facebook or anywhere people can see who I really am. That's just silly. He wouldn't want that kind of publicity/backlash, especially in the '80s with Tipper Gore up his ass about the lyrics already. Also, young people tend to try to emulate their heroes, and he didn't need any parents boycotting his shit because of what he may or may not have done in the privacy of his own home/tourbus/backstage area/recording studio. Everyone is a hypocrite at some point in their life, it's unavoidable.

Pretty sure that the footage on the VH1 special is just a joke. He did similar gags about cannabis smoking at the time ("Now").

Did he? I was not aware. Interesting. Why would he do that, unless he was embracing the culture and therefore participating.

Dogsinthetrees said:

Every few months I must point out the video in which he can be seen hitting a (blurred-out, but still obvious) bong, blowing out the smoke, and heard coughing. It's on video! VH1 Love4OneAnother special during "Rock and Roll Is Alive". I'd link to prove it, but we all know that's not allowed. Search for yourself, it's on the internet and not hard to find. As for the cocaine, did you see the James Brown, Michael Jackson, and Prince video? Have you ever done coke? Of course, I can't say for certain as I wasn't backstage with him before this performance, but observation goes a long way. Don't look down on him for it, he's human, and a grown one to boot. As long as you enjoy (or at least did at some point) his music, who cares if he does/did drugs on his own time? He never got too fucked up to put on a good show, so it's no big deal. Have you considered that although he may have done some drugs, he didn't necessarily want it to be public knowledge? I smoke weed and I don't post shit about that on my facebook or anywhere people can see who I really am. That's just silly. He wouldn't want that kind of publicity/backlash, especially in the '80s with Tipper Gore up his ass about the lyrics already. Also, young people tend to try to emulate their heroes, and he didn't need any parents boycotting his shit because of what he may or may not have done in the privacy of his own home/tourbus/backstage area/recording studio. Everyone is a hypocrite at some point in their life, it's unavoidable.

How does the James Brown video look like Coke? Coke makes you confident and springy in your step, makes you ALERT, and fast, and productive (that's why it's the drug of choice for businessmen). He seemed more like drunk from what I remember.

Dogsinthetrees said:

Did he? I was not aware. Interesting. Why would he do that, unless he was embracing the culture and therefore participating.

Because at the time, he was writing a lot of material geared towards a certain group of people, I suppose. Remember these lyrics?

"Now" 1994

(Light up another one, dude!)

Fill us with de dope track, lick us, twist us, roll us in your mouth
Light us up and take a hit, light us up and take a hit
Mmm, suck us 'til we're dry
And when we're lookin' like a roach, hit the lights

i got the one book telling of a story when he took a few too many pain pills mixed with wine and was rushed to the ER. he's only human. i always think of this story when anyone bringing this subject up. it's from the prelude part of possessed......

Yeah, and Prince didn't have sex till he was married.

Some of you Prince fans either need to do some drugs or stop taking so much.

just taked to my stepcousin. he says he;s been totally clean for a month. can't find any sources for weed

purplemookiebut said:

just taked to my stepcousin. he says he;s been totally clean for a month. can't find any sources for weed

Ohhhhh you non-Californians.

I'm waiting for my dispensary to deliver my order right now. (I order cannabis, groceries, pizza, and chinese food all the same. )

i only got it once from my stepcousin since my ex who was a stoner moved away in june of 2009. my stepcousin went to rehab cause he was into coke and heroin too and no none knew till his mom found syringes in his van. he was starting weed again pretty fast but only had 2 dealers. i know he said last time the one got busted and arrested. looks like his other one did too...

never tried anything but weed. don't really wanna.well like coke,meth or heroin. the hard shit. no thanks! peyote and acid sound interesting too! oh and absinthe! that sounds neat too!

i was on ritalin as a kid for my adhd but never more then 10mg which is the dose of a 5 yr old..

Spinlight said:

Xibalba said:

Re-read my post.

Why re-read it? I read it the first time just fine.

Ooh - antsy, gotta love it!

purplemookiebut said:

i only got it once from my stepcousin since my ex who was a stoner moved away in june of 2009. my stepcousin went to rehab cause he was into coke and heroin too and no none knew till his mom found syringes in his van. he was starting weed again pretty fast but only had 2 dealers. i know he said last time the one got busted and arrested. looks like his other one did too...

never tried anything but weed. don't really wanna.well like coke,meth or heroin. the hard shit. no thanks! peyote and acid sound interesting too! oh and absinthe! that sounds neat too!

i was on ritalin as a kid for my adhd but never more then 10mg which is the dose of a 5 yr old..

Cannabis has had a billion dollar industry doing a fantastic smear campaign for about 80 years now. It's interesting to read about how Cannabis (and its resulting harvest materials like hemp, the reefer you smoke, THC extracts/oils, etc) used to be a darling crop and then (for both racist and xenophobic reasons) came under intense scrutiny.

Back in the day during the first prohibiton of Cannabis, it was said that weed would be used by African American men to enslave their masters, so to speak. Or to rape white women, basically. It was given the name "Marijuana" which is a Mexican slang term. If you check google, you can actually see when the true mentions of the word "Marijuana" began (~1930). Up until that point, it was called Cannabis (for ingestibles) and Hemp (for the cultivated fibers to make clothes and industrial strength bonds).

After about WWI, hemp was back in fashion because typically you could harvest hemp to make high quality clothing (instead of using synthetics or even cotton which was more expensive) and other materials. However, it was pushed back into prohibition again in order to defend against Communism. (lol)

Thankfully, we're coming out of the dark ages again and I think this time it will stick. California has been a Compassionate state for just about 17 years now, maybe a lil less.

HotGritz said:

Prince has never done coke or weed. Liars!

As for the ecstasy? Hmm...there was that one time he and Cat went driving down sunset butt ass naked but everybody does it so wutevs.

Now this I have never heard

Spinlight said:

purplemookiebut said:

i only got it once from my stepcousin since my ex who was a stoner moved away in june of 2009. my stepcousin went to rehab cause he was into coke and heroin too and no none knew till his mom found syringes in his van. he was starting weed again pretty fast but only had 2 dealers. i know he said last time the one got busted and arrested. looks like his other one did too...

never tried anything but weed. don't really wanna.well like coke,meth or heroin. the hard shit. no thanks! peyote and acid sound interesting too! oh and absinthe! that sounds neat too!

i was on ritalin as a kid for my adhd but never more then 10mg which is the dose of a 5 yr old..

Cannabis has had a billion dollar industry doing a fantastic smear campaign for about 80 years now. It's interesting to read about how Cannabis (and its resulting harvest materials like hemp, the reefer you smoke, THC extracts/oils, etc) used to be a darling crop and then (for both racist and xenophobic reasons) came under intense scrutiny.

Back in the day during the first prohibiton of Cannabis, it was said that weed would be used by African American men to enslave their masters, so to speak. Or to rape white women, basically. It was given the name "Marijuana" which is a Mexican slang term. If you check google, you can actually see when the true mentions of the word "Marijuana" began (~1930). Up until that point, it was called Cannabis (for ingestibles) and Hemp (for the cultivated fibers to make clothes and industrial strength bonds).

After about WWI, hemp was back in fashion because typically you could harvest hemp to make high quality clothing (instead of using synthetics or even cotton which was more expensive) and other materials. However, it was pushed back into prohibition again in order to defend against Communism. (lol)

Thankfully, we're coming out of the dark ages again and I think this time it will stick. California has been a Compassionate state for just about 17 years now, maybe a lil less.

i got alot of medical problems and pains. between the pinched nerves in my back,leg and my carpel tunnels along with not having an appetite and always feeling sick with this stomach. it helped me. my stomach is basically like one big ulcer. i never sleep much either. i wish i could get a card to get it legally. only drawback are the bad coughing spells it'll give me and the anxiety attacks. never get anxiety attacks unless i'm smoking regularly. b4 my ex i had a friend i worked with and we would have occasionally smoke out too....

i was looking for weed at a party recently but they smoked it all and offered me a Ecstasy cause he was out of weed. i said no.i thought of prince and the black album and that i had to drive home in a few hours. hear too much bad shit about that stuff.. almost went to try mushrooms with coworkers once. my friend couldn't be reached. the idiot drank himself to pass out that night...he was born with that fetal alcohol syndrome and very sensitive to booze. i baby drinks but i can drink like a fish and never get a buzz. hence why i don't barely ever drink. pff pff pass. weed is so much easier. no hangover! i only had 2 ever....

I find it amazing how Prince fans think's he can do no wrong.

As if he's the second coming.

Some of yall would probably slice your fuckin throats if you found out Prince wasn't perfect.

I don't give a DAMN what he does.

Just keep me entertained and don't molest children.

blueautumn said:

Some of you Prince fans either need to do some drugs or stop taking so much.

That's the best post I've read on the recent org.

Thanks and congratulations.

ecstasy said:

PurpleLove7 said:

This is what I remember reading as well (have the book).

Same. I believe that Prince only did one ecstasy trip and that's it. Nothing else

More like he only had one really bad ecstasy trip.

Being the fan that I've been, I've read every book out on Prince and by most accounts he was anti-drug and alcohol the first several years of his career. I think he may have drank a little wine in the early days but nothing crazy. There are many reasons I don't believe P ever went too far into any addiction, He spoke against it many times in his early career for one thing, criticized drugs in lyrics and the people who did them. That in itself is meaningless but I don't believe he would have been capable of getting as much work done if he'd been heavily addicted to anything other than music. Addicts always, always eventually pay for their vice. Prince has always been fairly predictable and consistent as far as his workrate. In fact, until I read the anectdotes by Krattinger and heard the many stories about the bad ecstasy trip, i doubted everything I heard. On the whole, I think Prince dabbled in some drugs, usually with the encouragement of a woman, I've seen some square men do what a woman tell him to do in regard to drink and drugs. As far as him being heavy into the shit? Nah, no way.

Prince also goes for days without sleeping. If you stay up for a few days, you'll get that sense of disorientation.

But keep in mind everyone has a different definition on what drugs are.

Had he released it as planned, I don't know if it would've gotten rave reviews.

Spinlight said:

purplemookiebut said:

just taked to my stepcousin. he says he;s been totally clean for a month. can't find any sources for weed

Ohhhhh you non-Californians.

I'm waiting for my dispensary to deliver my order right now. (I order cannabis, groceries, pizza, and chinese food all the same. )

Ahaha I love California, if I think the word "cannabis" hard enough a plant will uproot itself, shake off its own seeds, and knock on my door.

mozfonky said:

Being the fan that I've been, I've read every book out on Prince and by most accounts he was anti-drug and alcohol the first several years of his career. I think he may have drank a little wine in the early days but nothing crazy. There are many reasons I don't believe P ever went too far into any addiction, He spoke against it many times in his early career for one thing, criticized drugs in lyrics and the people who did them. That in itself is meaningless but I don't believe he would have been capable of getting as much work done if he'd been heavily addicted to anything other than music. Addicts always, always eventually pay for their vice. Prince has always been fairly predictable and consistent as far as his workrate. In fact, until I read the anectdotes by Krattinger and heard the many stories about the bad ecstasy trip, i doubted everything I heard. On the whole, I think Prince dabbled in some drugs, usually with the encouragement of a woman, I've seen some square men do what a woman tell him to do in regard to drink and drugs. As far as him being heavy into the shit? Nah, no way.

there is such a thing as a functioning addict