LOVELYSKYE said:

HonestMan13 said:

Craig Klamman needs a ticket to MSG.

[Edited 2/2/11 11:31am]

The only passes he needs is for his peeps to have all access passes to Paisley Park!! And yes with Prince swinging the doors open to the PARK!!

some of us have already been

babynoz said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I see you are watching it from the "America is the world" point of view.

Regardless of of love/hate for GM, all his released material has sold millions, even in the US he has sold more than P.

But that doesn't matter, all I'm saying is that GM made a good point that P needs editting. A lot of artists agree, and so do fans.

I think most fans would agree that P is his own worst enemy when it comes to career choices.

Except is wasn't George Michael...it was Sir Elton who said that.

Was Elton masquerading at George in the George Q mag interview then?

errant said:

HonestMan13 said:

Everyone is going on about Prince like he's a newbie with a promising future but who's out of control. He's had his promising future already. Any record executive would sign him in a minute because it's like getting him to say he was wrong for leaving the industry model. The fans want validation from the mainstream for their hero. Prince has moved past the point of needing either of these things. Prince is in that rare place in his career that he can do whatever he wants and still be respected. Whatever the opinion is about his music output of late or his business methods he's still here and selling out arenas. He must be doing something right.

that's all completely irrelevant to the comments the guy is making. Prince needs an editor. however, it is interesting to note that the quality control went straight out the window when he was no longer working with one.

to do what?

HonestMan is right on point, as far as I'm concerned. Imagine if you were an artist who's already been lauded every possible way by critics, and already had the mega smash hit album, followed up by a number of songs that are just as much a part of the pop canon. What would the editing actually DO for you? How would it please you? Because at this stage in his career, he literally can do What Ever He Pleases. If you're 52 with all that success and it's eating away at you to have one more pat on the head saying 'good job', then I think something's wrong with you.

Somebody mentioned George Michael on this thread and he had a song called 'Star People' that reflected the idea that what makes someone a star is "what's missing." I think most folks in here aren't asking the question 'What is Prince hungry for?' Answer: we don't know. And IMO the man himself might not either, lol.

I think the mistake is in the narrow way Klamman's point is articulated and critiqued here. I agree that Prince, by most accounts, doesn't "need" anything himself at this point. If he died tomorrow, he'd already be legend.

But a Prince (i.e.. any given artist with the talent, resourcefulness and prolific nature of Prince), does greatly benefit from an editor, whether it be his/her own sensibilities or (in the failing of such sensibilities) some machine -- greedy suits, fellow artists, rivalries with others, etc. -- around them that helps leverage their mediocre output in favor of their more remarkable output. From the standpoint of creating a body of work that, in its aggregate, is exceptional, that's just true.

[Edited 2/2/11 20:20pm]

XNY said:

HonestMan13 said:

Whatever anyone says about Prince at this point is moot. Good or bad, criticisms or praise. He's been in the game for over 30 years and he's not going anywhere. Everyone can say what they feel he needs to be doing or what he should've done in the past but it makes no difference now. His spot in music history is etched in stone and no amount of bad press, criticisms, praise or accolades will change that fact. The industry should get over it already and so should the fans. Nobody is going to tell a headstrong 52 year old man what to do and have him listen. He didn't want to hear it when he was 17 years old. Why would he change now?

Preach on brother!

By the way, who the hell is listening to record company CEO's anymore? Last time I checked the traditional music industry is running on fumes. That's like IBM telling Apple how to run it's business model.

Not at all. People aren't copying Prince's business model.

They're hearing him when "Raspberry Beret" plays in their local Harris Teeter and laughing at him for saying the Internet is dead.

Lammastide said:

I think the mistake is in the narrow way Klamman's point is articulated and critiqued here. I agree that Prince, by most accounts, doesn't "need" anything himself at this point. If he died tomorrow, he'd already be legend.

But a Prince (i.e.. any given artist with the talent, resourcefulness and prolific nature of Prince), does greatly benefit from an editor, whether it be his/her own sensibilities or (in the failing of such sensibilities) some machine -- greedy suits, fellow artists, rivalries with others, etc. -- around them that helps leverage their mediocre output in favor of their more remarkable output. That's just true.

[Edited 2/2/11 20:05pm]

Exactly.

And, I'm still laughing at your cat sleeping on your pillow.

ThreadBare said:

Lammastide said:

I think the mistake is in the narrow way Klamman's point is articulated and critiqued here. I agree that Prince, by most accounts, doesn't "need" anything himself at this point. If he died tomorrow, he'd already be legend.

But a Prince (i.e.. any given artist with the talent, resourcefulness and prolific nature of Prince), does greatly benefit from an editor, whether it be his/her own sensibilities or (in the failing of such sensibilities) some machine -- greedy suits, fellow artists, rivalries with others, etc. -- around them that helps leverage their mediocre output in favor of their more remarkable output. That's just true.

[Edited 2/2/11 20:05pm]

Exactly.

And, I'm still laughing at your cat sleeping on your pillow.

And do you know exactly where he was when I got home?!?!

bellanoche said:

Honestman13, you made some really good points on this thread. I agree with much of what you said. Graycap23, while I have no problem with P's JW conversion. I do agree that it has in some ways restricted him artistically. I am not saying I want to see him running around like a 25 year-old at 52 like some of these Orgers do, but I do see some self-imposed limitations as a result of his transition.

However, going back to Honestman13, I could not agree more with your assessment that P had songs in his so-called glory days that I could take or leave. Actually, I was not that huge a fan of the Revolution-heavy songs of the 80s. It's all a matter of taste, though. I find many of the songs that he has released in the last 15 years as good as if not better than many of the ones that he released in the first 15 years of his career.

With regard to editing, one of the great things about P as an artist is that he does put so much out there. It gives us a more complete picture of him as an artist instead of periodic releases of songs that have been checked and cross-checked and cross-checked again by industry types who just want hits. So many phases of P's life have played out in his music, and his body of work is an excellent study in the creative expression of a genius. Why "edit" that? If you are solely concerned with hits and money then you might go that route, which is oddly funny because many of the people who accuse P of being money-hungry are the same ones crying that he needs an editor to help him craft more hits. Interesting.

Great post. Prince indeed already has an editor. His name is Prince lol. We know Prince is creating many songs that have not seen the light of day. The fallacy with the editing fantasy is that with someone else editing people imagine they are going to hear the songs they think are the best while in reality all you will be hearing is the judgement of a particular set of suits.

We all have different tastes which are expressed here each and every day. I have faith in Prince doing his own editing. I rather he make the decision about his own work then some other third party.

If you don't like the music released that is just your problem not his.

tricky99 said:

Great post. Prince indeed already has an editor. His name is Prince lol. We know Prince is creating many songs that have not seen the light of day. The fallacy with the editing fantasy is that with someone else editing people imagine they are going to hear the songs they think are the best while in reality all you will be hearing is the judgement of a particular set of suits.

We all have different tastes which are expressed here each and every day. I have faith in Prince doing his own editing. I rather he make the decision about his own work then some other third party.

If you don't like the music released that is just your problem not his.

Well said! That is my biggest problem with the people on this site who constantly criticize Prince's post-1980's output and deride his choices. It's fine if you don't dig the newer stuff, but don't forget that is your opinion. Others of us enjoy the newer stuff. My tastes are mine like yours are yours.

As you stated, with an "editor" we would be subject to someonelse's tastes. Prince's artistry would be filtered to the whims and motives of the industry people who "edit" him. As a result, I probably would not have heard some great music. Remember, those same industry folks wanted him to add a bassline to "When Doves Cry" and said it would never be a hit without one.

I have found that some of my favorites songs by my favorite artists were songs that were previously unreleased or album cuts that industry folks felt were not "right" for proper release or promotion. For example, when it comes to artists like Cameo, Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye, I love certain album cuts far more than there hit singles. So, again, it just comes down to taste.

I prefer the tastes of the Prince, the artist himself when it comes to "editing" his artistic output.

ThreadBare said:

XNY said:

Preach on brother!

By the way, who the hell is listening to record company CEO's anymore? Last time I checked the traditional music industry is running on fumes. That's like IBM telling Apple how to run it's business model.

Not at all. People aren't copying Prince's business model.

They're hearing him when "Raspberry Beret" plays in their local Harris Teeter and laughing at him for saying the Internet is dead.

That statement is without merit. Many artists have copied Prince's business model, and I didn't see any laughing at him when I saw him at a sold-out show in MSG.

ThreadBare said:

XNY said:

Preach on brother!

By the way, who the hell is listening to record company CEO's anymore? Last time I checked the traditional music industry is running on fumes. That's like IBM telling Apple how to run it's business model.

Not at all. People aren't copying Prince's business model.

They're hearing him when "Raspberry Beret" plays in their local Harris Teeter and laughing at him for saying the Internet is dead.

He said they internet was dead for distrubuting his music. He even clarified this in one of the interviews he did in Europe. Some of you guys will twist something and run it into the ground.

SquirrelMeat said:

laurarichardson said:

The last I heard he was off to prison but you spin the story the way you want.

George bitched at his record company and never had a hit record in the U.S. again. P managed to move some CDs in the U.S after his break with WB and even when he was with WB he had filler cuts on his CDs which were sometimes overlong. I do not see how he is doing anything different with his music being independent. After all WB never wanted WDC to even be on PR and they hated Kiss and fucked up the marketing of Sign Of The Times because they did not want to push the RnB cuts.

Sometimes P was right and sometimes he was wrong in the end I just do not think that George Michael or this ass clown from Atlantic are doing anything better.

I see you are watching it from the "America is the world" point of view.

Regardless of of love/hate for GM, all his released material has sold millions, even in the US he has sold more than P.

But that doesn't matter, all I'm saying is that GM made a good point that P needs editting. A lot of artists agree, and so do fans.

I think most fans would agree that P is his own worst enemy when it comes to career choices.

Sorry sweetheart I live in America and this market matters. I do not hate GM I just think he wasted his talent and needs to shut the hell up talking about other artist and get off the drugs.

He talked a lot of trash about the music industry but did not take the big leap of going independent and P did. Makes GM comments about it moot.

Yes P is his own worst enemy that is the reason he is still in the game for 30 years and selling out MSG this past month. Thank God P does not listen to his fans or the geniuses that run the music industry and give us such talents as Ke$ha (LOL)

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I see you are watching it from the "America is the world" point of view.

Regardless of of love/hate for GM, all his released material has sold millions, even in the US he has sold more than P.

But that doesn't matter, all I'm saying is that GM made a good point that P needs editting. A lot of artists agree, and so do fans.

I think most fans would agree that P is his own worst enemy when it comes to career choices.

Sorry sweetheart I live in America and this market matters. I do not hate GM I just think he wasted his talent and needs to shut the hell up talking about other artist and get off the drugs.

He talked a lot of trash about the music industry but did not take the big leap of going independent and P did. Makes GM comments about it moot.

Yes P is his own worst enemy that is the reason he is still in the game for 30 years and selling out MSG this past month. Thank God P does not listen to his fans or the geniuses that run the music industry and give us such talents as Ke$ha (LOL)

Atlantic Record Group announces Elektra flies again. Thanks Prince for having Cee Lo open for you at MSG.

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

100% correct. He is brilliant, we all know it. However, he could have used an editor and better advice for many years. The Crystal Ball set is a perfect example. All of us long time followers would have suggested he leave out those stupid remixes in favour of more first rate material. I would have chosen lots of other SUPERB tracks over some of the JUNK he put out. I made a disc of unreleased stuff that showed his amazing skills far better than Crystal Ball did..

Stone

Would U Love 2 Love me

If I Love u 2 Nite

Open Book

Get Blue

Large Room, No lIght

Player

Old Friends 4 Sale (original)

All My Dreams

Crucial (yes, I know it was on CB)

MoonBeam Levels

God Is Alive

I Wonder

Days of Wild (studio version)

Good Man

Last Heart (I know)

I would easily have removed:

Tell Me How u Want 2 Be Done

Make Your Mama Happy

So Dark (neat but with only 10 tracks on a disc, not worth it)

Cloreen BaconSkin (neat, but not worth it if it was at the expense of not incl the tracks above)

Get Loose

P Control

An artist is too close to his stuff. What he thinks is great, may not be and what he thinks is mediocre may also not be. How many think he loved the song 'The Ride', which was just not that great.

Regardless of of love/hate for GM, all his released material has sold millions, even in the US he has sold more than P.

Really? Do you have figures to back that claim up?

JoeyCococo said:

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

100% correct. He is brilliant, we all know it. However, he could have used an editor and better advice for many years. The Crystal Ball set is a perfect example. All of us long time followers would have suggested he leave out those stupid remixes in favour of more first rate material. I would have chosen lots of other SUPERB tracks over some of the JUNK he put out. I made a disc of unreleased stuff that showed his amazing skills far better than Crystal Ball did..

Stone

Would U Love 2 Love me

If I Love u 2 Nite

Open Book

Get Blue

Large Room, No lIght

Player

Old Friends 4 Sale (original)

All My Dreams

Crucial (yes, I know it was on CB)

MoonBeam Levels

God Is Alive

I Wonder

Days of Wild (studio version)

Good Man

Last Heart (I know)

I would easily have removed:

Tell Me How u Want 2 Be Done

Make Your Mama Happy

So Dark (neat but with only 10 tracks on a disc, not worth it)

Cloreen BaconSkin (neat, but not worth it if it was at the expense of not incl the tracks above)

Get Loose

P Control

An artist is too close to his stuff. What he thinks is great, may not be and what he thinks is mediocre may also not be. How many think he loved the song 'The Ride', which was just not that great.

I'll take 100% of Prince's output over a 50% edited version any day of the week.

Every one has different taste.

I love the Ride..........and the whole Crystal Ball set.

JoeyCococo said:

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

100% correct. He is brilliant, we all know it. However, he could have used an editor and better advice for many years. The Crystal Ball set is a perfect example. All of us long time followers would have suggested he leave out those stupid remixes in favour of more first rate material. I would have chosen lots of other SUPERB tracks over some of the JUNK he put out. I made a disc of unreleased stuff that showed his amazing skills far better than Crystal Ball did..

Stone

Would U Love 2 Love me

If I Love u 2 Nite

Open Book

Get Blue

Large Room, No lIght

Player

Old Friends 4 Sale (original)

All My Dreams

Crucial (yes, I know it was on CB)

MoonBeam Levels

God Is Alive

I Wonder

Days of Wild (studio version)

Good Man

Last Heart (I know)

I would easily have removed:

Tell Me How u Want 2 Be Done

Make Your Mama Happy

So Dark (neat but with only 10 tracks on a disc, not worth it)

Cloreen BaconSkin (neat, but not worth it if it was at the expense of not incl the tracks above)

Get Loose

P Control

An artist is too close to his stuff. What he thinks is great, may not be and what he thinks is mediocre may also not be. How many think he loved the song 'The Ride', which was just not that great.

The problem with this is that you are no better a judge of what's good/bad than Prince is.

By in large, I disagree with this list/your choices/removals. "The Ride" is classic...and was a live staple in the 90's.

Personally, I'd rather have the artist edit. It's much more organic/legit that way. Sure, we all have our own fanboy/fangirl dreams and favorites, but ultimately that's all they are. It is best if they are relagated to our own mix cd's/playlists.

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

Where is George Michael today ?

Doesn't mean it's not true. George Michael was/is a big Prince fan, his 1st solo album was inspired by Prince

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Sitting on his millions, never feeling the need to chuck out more material. And probably resting from near two years travelling the world with his critically acclaimed tour.

What has that got to do with he old views of Prince?

The last I heard he was off to prison but you spin the story the way you want.

George bitched at his record company and never had a hit record in the U.S. again. P managed to move some CDs in the U.S after his break with WB and even when he was with WB he had filler cuts on his CDs which were sometimes overlong. I do not see how he is doing anything different with his music being independent. After all WB never wanted WDC to even be on PR and they hated Kiss and fucked up the marketing of Sign Of The Times because they did not want to push the RnB cuts.

Sometimes P was right and sometimes he was wrong in the end I just do not think that George Michael or this ass clown from Atlantic are doing anything better.

George Michael is still sitting on millions and isn't in prison as far as I know.

I think you're seeing the WB take wrong. They wanted to PUSH Sign o the Times they were ready to back it fully, Prince was tired of it for personal reasons, that's why that time period started and stop so quickly.

What are "RnB" cuts on Sign o the Times? Nothing on that album in my opinion even mirrors RnB

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I see you are watching it from the "America is the world" point of view.

Regardless of of love/hate for GM, all his released material has sold millions, even in the US he has sold more than P.

But that doesn't matter, all I'm saying is that GM made a good point that P needs editting. A lot of artists agree, and so do fans.

I think most fans would agree that P is his own worst enemy when it comes to career choices.

Sorry sweetheart I live in America and this market matters. I do not hate GM I just think he wasted his talent and needs to shut the hell up talking about other artist and get off the drugs.

He talked a lot of trash about the music industry but did not take the big leap of going independent and P did. Makes GM comments about it moot.

Yes P is his own worst enemy that is the reason he is still in the game for 30 years and selling out MSG this past month. Thank God P does not listen to his fans or the geniuses that run the music industry and give us such talents as Ke$ha (LOL)

Oh you can bet he listens, it's a passive aggressive kind of listening, but he listens.

If he didn't he wouldn't play the 'Hit's' all the time

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

The last I heard he was off to prison but you spin the story the way you want.

George bitched at his record company and never had a hit record in the U.S. again. P managed to move some CDs in the U.S after his break with WB and even when he was with WB he had filler cuts on his CDs which were sometimes overlong. I do not see how he is doing anything different with his music being independent. After all WB never wanted WDC to even be on PR and they hated Kiss and fucked up the marketing of Sign Of The Times because they did not want to push the RnB cuts.

Sometimes P was right and sometimes he was wrong in the end I just do not think that George Michael or this ass clown from Atlantic are doing anything better.

George Michael is still sitting on millions and isn't in prison as far as I know.

I think you're seeing the WB take wrong. They wanted to PUSH Sign o the Times they were ready to back it fully, Prince was tired of it for personal reasons, that's why that time period started and stop so quickly.

What are "RnB" cuts on Sign o the Times? Nothing on that album in my opinion even mirrors RnB

What is Adore?

LOVELYSKYE said:

NouveauDance said:

With Prince's post-WB track record with record companies, you seriously expect that?

What he says is 100% truth and on point, and everyone knows it. It's OK to be a great artist, but without a canvas and a frame, you're just a brat sploshing shit tons of paint everywhere.

Prince is a one of a kind talent, and Atlantic Records is a one of a kind talent record company.

With all of the publicity and hype behind a new record deal. Prince is back on the charts and moves up to larger venues to sell out shows, and you know how much he loves that $$ from those shows.

When Prince had lots of talented record label folks, musicians, and management team around him helping support his vision he was at his most creative.

Maybe the chem trails are in alignment now!

Don't let spookyelectric bring u down!

that was totally the 1980's. Everyone in his band tech support camp producers engineers etc etc totally believed in Prince's vision,

i don't think prince needs an editor. for what? to boil his output down to a 'great' album every

2 or 3 years? nah, i'd rather take everything he throws at us. at the end of the day i do enjoy

everything he releases. and who's to say that if a record company was on his back and doing

some serious editing before an album was shaped into a 'classic', that we would actually like

that album as much as "purple rain".

boil everything he released since 2004 down to a single disc album featuring only the very

best tracks. think about it for a minute. yes, you could make a monster of an album with the

best tracks from that period. but you'd also miss out on all the other tracks. and most of the

fans would still go "oh, it's nothing much compared to his 80s output".

the only problem i have had with prince's releases for a very long time now is that he doesn't

seem to care anymore himself. there are so many albums and songs that have been released,

promoted and sunk into obscurity, gone out of print within less than a month that it's almost

impossible for someone to track them all down.

what he really needs is a home for his output, a decent umbrella under which he can put all of

those albums and songs and have them remain in print or at least online and available.

that is the one thing i totally do not understand about him anymore. for someone who was so

much in control and on top of his musical legacy for so long, he seems to have lost all interest

in his post warners material himself. and yet he's the one with all the rights to that stuff. so if

he wanted to set up a site where all of it was on sale, it might not make him millions of dollars,

but at least he would have a clear, transparant vehicle for his work. i'm sure he'd still make a

decent buck from selling all those back catalogue albums whenever he did have a new song or

some high profile exposure with something new.

but people have to know what you have, have to be able to listen to some snippets of it and or

at least browse through your catalogue. even regular sites that keep track of artists releases

are out of the loop as to what is and isn't available and even on what exactly he's released in

the last 15 years.

in a world where obscure 70s disco groups get their albums remastered or at least have them

in print on whatever label, it's simply a crime that prince's huge output is so convoluted and

extremely scattered that it's impossible to tell what is what. especially since we're talking about

prince here.

why whine about the rights to your old music if this is how you treat everything you've done

after yo became independent?

there's just too many schizoid angles in all of it. he hates people sharing his music online, yet

it's the only way for most americans to even get his latest album "20Ten". he dislikes people

not flocking in their 100s of thousands to his latest 77 dollar prescription site, which as simply

a casual fan you couldn't even get into without solving a weird puzzle etc etc.

he doesn't want to deal with record companies whom treat his music the wrong way or don't

promote it well enough, yet he releases his music at wallmart or through newspapers and it

isn't promoted at all. neither does he do anything really that much to promote it to begin with,

mostly losing interest after a week and a half. and never playing new songs in concert on any

kind of regular basis.

a record company editing his output seems the least of his worries. his attitude toward his own

music is much more uncaring that anyone else's, yet he doesn't see it that way.

IstenSzek said:

i don't think prince needs an editor. for what? to boil his output down to a 'great' album every

2 or 3 years? nah, i'd rather take everything he throws at us. at the end of the day i do enjoy

everything he releases. and who's to say that if a record company was on his back and doing

some serious editing before an album was shaped into a 'classic', that we would actually like

that album as much as "purple rain".

boil everything he released since 2004 down to a single disc album featuring only the very

best tracks. think about it for a minute. yes, you could make a monster of an album with the

best tracks from that period. but you'd also miss out on all the other tracks. and most of the

fans would still go "oh, it's nothing much compared to his 80s output".

the only problem i have had with prince's releases for a very long time now is that he doesn't

seem to care anymore himself. there are so many albums and songs that have been released,

promoted and sunk into obscurity, gone out of print within less than a month that it's almost

impossible for someone to track them all down.

what he really needs is a home for his output, a decent umbrella under which he can put all of

those albums and songs and have them remain in print or at least online and available.

that is the one thing i totally do not understand about him anymore. for someone who was so

much in control and on top of his musical legacy for so long, he seems to have lost all interest

in his post warners material himself. and yet he's the one with all the rights to that stuff. so if

he wanted to set up a site where all of it was on sale, it might not make him millions of dollars,

but at least he would have a clear, transparant vehicle for his work. i'm sure he'd still make a

decent buck from selling all those back catalogue albums whenever he did have a new song or

some high profile exposure with something new.

but people have to know what you have, have to be able to listen to some snippets of it and or

at least browse through your catalogue. even regular sites that keep track of artists releases

are out of the loop as to what is and isn't available and even on what exactly he's released in

the last 15 years.

in a world where obscure 70s disco groups get their albums remastered or at least have them

in print on whatever label, it's simply a crime that prince's huge output is so convoluted and

extremely scattered that it's impossible to tell what is what. especially since we're talking about

prince here.

why whine about the rights to your old music if this is how you treat everything you've done

after yo became independent?

there's just too many schizoid angles in all of it. he hates people sharing his music online, yet

it's the only way for most americans to even get his latest album "20Ten". he dislikes people

not flocking in their 100s of thousands to his latest 77 dollar prescription site, which as simply

a casual fan you couldn't even get into without solving a weird puzzle etc etc.

he doesn't want to deal with record companies whom treat his music the wrong way or don't

promote it well enough, yet he releases his music at wallmart or through newspapers and it

isn't promoted at all. neither does he do anything really that much to promote it to begin with,

mostly losing interest after a week and a half. and never playing new songs in concert on any

kind of regular basis.

a record company editing his output seems the least of his worries. his attitude toward his own

music is much more uncaring that anyone else's, yet he doesn't see it that way.

well said.

Graycap23 said:

JoeyCococo said:

100% correct. He is brilliant, we all know it. However, he could have used an editor and better advice for many years. The Crystal Ball set is a perfect example. All of us long time followers would have suggested he leave out those stupid remixes in favour of more first rate material. I would have chosen lots of other SUPERB tracks over some of the JUNK he put out. I made a disc of unreleased stuff that showed his amazing skills far better than Crystal Ball did..

Stone

Would U Love 2 Love me

If I Love u 2 Nite

Open Book

Get Blue

Large Room, No lIght

Player

Old Friends 4 Sale (original)

All My Dreams

Crucial (yes, I know it was on CB)

MoonBeam Levels

God Is Alive

I Wonder

Days of Wild (studio version)

Good Man

Last Heart (I know)

I would easily have removed:

Tell Me How u Want 2 Be Done

Make Your Mama Happy

So Dark (neat but with only 10 tracks on a disc, not worth it)

Cloreen BaconSkin (neat, but not worth it if it was at the expense of not incl the tracks above)

Get Loose

P Control

An artist is too close to his stuff. What he thinks is great, may not be and what he thinks is mediocre may also not be. How many think he loved the song 'The Ride', which was just not that great.

I'll take 100% of Prince's output over a 50% edited version any day of the week.

Every one has different taste.

I love the Ride..........and the whole Crystal Ball set.

then you're okay with a disc that contains 15 minutes of Cloreen Baconskin going nowhere at the expense of Crucial getting some of its more "crucial" bits lopped off the ass end?

errant said:

Graycap23 said:

I'll take 100% of Prince's output over a 50% edited version any day of the week.

Every one has different taste.

I love the Ride..........and the whole Crystal Ball set.

then you're okay with a disc that contains 15 minutes of Cloreen Baconskin going nowhere at the expense of Crucial getting some of its more "crucial" bits lopped off the ass end?

U guys would not even know anything about the Crucial parts if Prince was not the bootlegged artist that he is. Prince is who he is......because of who he is....as he is.

I hope that makes sense.

Graycap23 said:

Prince ONLY needs 1 thing..........2 be free of the JW dogma in his art.

Gray - you are 100% correct about this. I don't need to see Prince collabrate with anyone or be produced by anyone else or do an effing country album I'd just like to see less JW dogma too.

Sometimes I don't know how he says things with a straight face. Changing his lyrics and shit like that is just so unnecessary and doesn't seem sincere to me at all.

Prince just needs to make great funky music!! Period!

Graycap23 said:

errant said:

then you're okay with a disc that contains 15 minutes of Cloreen Baconskin going nowhere at the expense of Crucial getting some of its more "crucial" bits lopped off the ass end?

U guys would not even know anything about the Crucial parts if Prince was not the bootlegged artist that he is. Prince is who he is......because of who he is....as he is.

I hope that makes sense.

sure, but since the point of it was to release some unreleased stuff (most of which had been bootlegged), it kind of misses the point of the set to cut some pretty awesome parts out of a kind of awesome song to give us 15 minutes of a repetitive rehearsal. i enjoy Cloreen Baconskin, but not at the expense of a full version of Crucial. or An Honest Man, for that matter.

errant said:

Graycap23 said:

I'll take 100% of Prince's output over a 50% edited version any day of the week.

Every one has different taste.

I love the Ride..........and the whole Crystal Ball set.

then you're okay with a disc that contains 15 minutes of Cloreen Baconskin going nowhere at the expense of Crucial getting some of its more "crucial" bits lopped off the ass end?

Again, this is a matter of taste. I have never been crazy about "Crucial," and never understood all the hype.

Now, "Cloreen Baconskin," I could listen to that beat for longer than 15 minutes. The groove is just too tight.

Same here on crucial. I never understood the hype there as well as Wonderful Ass, sorry. Thats what makes prince so compelling, he appeals to us all for different reasons.