ScottRob said:

My question to the intellectual P-dawg:

If a fan posts a sneakily recorded new live concert vid within the org forest, but nobody admits to watching it - will he still make a noise?

Bold move, sir.

silkylee said:

Prince catches flack over his chemtrails statement. It's easy to be dismissive and call somebody coco for coco puffs when they talk about conspiracies.

People rather believe lies, so they can feel safe.

Everywhere I go I see chemtrails in the sky. Especailly in heavy populated areas.

What is this shit they spraying on us. Does anybody know! Anyone! Anyone!

Nah! It can't be population control.

Maybe it's just an airplane show, that's being performed everyday & everynite.

It's your right to believe in Chemtrails. Although if the chemtrails exist it would show up in our ecosystems which are being studied and watched by scientists and avid environmentalists. So the real fear of chemtrails is not supported by the avid environmentalists and their very real data.

One would think that a Chemtrail believer would pay for a plane to catch the chemtrails for samples to prove their theory. Easily done. The only question is why that hasn't been done? What's the REAL conspiracy?

CallMeCarrie said:

ScottRob said:

My question to the intellectual P-dawg:

If a fan posts a sneakily recorded new live concert vid within the org forest, but nobody admits to watching it - will he still make a noise?

Bold move, sir.

[Tips hat to the lady.] "Many thanks Ma'am."

OK, so for some of you here, if someone says something half intelligent or something that isn't stupid, or can play musical instruments he's an "intellectual".

W2A indeed..........

purplerain14 said:

NouveauDance said:

"If you stop counting, you'll live as long as a tree"

"there will be peace for those who love god alot"

do u know how smart u have to be to make music, prince did it by himself!

he learned 20 instruments by the age of 12!....and he did not have anyone there helping him!

i bet none of us here are as smart as prince....if we were we would be rich and famous!

i think u should stop questioning prince's intelligence and start questioning ur own

I was going to repsond to you, but then i read your signature.

He seems more gullible than anything else. He'll jump on any wacky thought-bandwagon if he hears a half-constructed argument. I don't think he's stupid, he seems quite quick-witted and intelligent but, well, he lives in Prince-land after all.

They* say 'creative people' are more trusting so I guess you could speculate into how he's easily lead....

*you know, them.

purplerain14 said:

"there will be peace for those who love god alot"

That worked out great for the Middle East huh.

NouveauDance said:

purplerain14 said:

"there will be peace for those who love god alot"

That worked out great for the Middle East huh.

Didn't work out too great for the US either, eh?

I've never considered Prince as an intellectual. He doesn't seem to be a very rational and/or educated person. People already mentioned religion, politics, chemtrails, his current opinion on the internet, etc. We have countless examples that show that he is, as Silkilove said, a pseudo-intellectual, at best.

As English is not my native language, I've never really cared about what Prince has to say, either in his songs or in his interviews. That's why I think "The Rainbow Children" is one of his best albums, although I'm an atheist.

Mindflux said:

NouveauDance said:

That worked out great for the Middle East huh.

Didn't work out too great for the US either, eh?

That's what I meant, they're over there balls deep in it all too!

On that note, on TRC Prince calls for a fucking theocracy - if that isn't the sign of madness and anti-intellectualism I dunno what is!

olb99 said:

I've never considered Prince as an intellectual. He doesn't seem to be a very rational and/or educated person. People already mentioned religion, politics, chemtrails, his current opinion on the internet, etc. We have countless examples that show that he is, as Silkilove said, a pseudo-intellectual, at best.

As English is not my native language, I've never really cared about what Prince has to say, either in his songs or in his interviews. That's why I think "The Rainbow Children" is one of his best albums, although I'm an atheist.

You said it very well. His education beyond high school has consisted of things he is only interested in and more on the side of his opinion (it seems). His fame has pushed him so far out of the real world his mind is blown when he watches a Michael Moore movie.

rapper said:

olb99 said:

I've never considered Prince as an intellectual. He doesn't seem to be a very rational and/or educated person. People already mentioned religion, politics, chemtrails, his current opinion on the internet, etc. We have countless examples that show that he is, as Silkilove said, a pseudo-intellectual, at best.

As English is not my native language, I've never really cared about what Prince has to say, either in his songs or in his interviews. That's why I think "The Rainbow Children" is one of his best albums, although I'm an atheist.

You said it very well. His education beyond high school has consisted of things he is only interested in and more on the side of his opinion (it seems). His fame has pushed him so far out of the real world his mind is blown when he watches a Michael Moore movie.

Wow, this thread is fucking ridiculous! Prince is a musical artist - he's never put himself out there as an intellectual, so I'm not sure why it is even being discussed. The thread may as well have been "Prince - the nuclear physicist"!!

What you have said there in particular basically amounts to nothing. ANYBODY's "education" beyond high school involves finding out more about subjects that are of interest to them - its no different for Prince. And Prince went straight from school in to a career that he has never left and he has become one of the foremost people in that field. That's his acheivement and its not diminished by people speculating on his intelligence.

What's next? "Bill Clinton - the musician", just because he plays saxophone?! Should we dissect his "career" as a saxophonist and his failure to be the best in that game? It would be as pointless as this discussion.

An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical reasoning in either a professional or a personal capacity.

‘Intellectual’ can denote three types of persons:

1. A person involved in, and with, abstract, erudite ideas and theories.
2. A person whose profession (science, medicine, literature) solely involves the production and dissemination of ideas.^[1]
3. A person of notable cultural and artistic expertise whose knowledge grants him or her intellectual authority in public discourse.

source: wikipedia

One could disagree about the level of critical or analytical reasoning Prince applies in his artistic profession, but not about the fact that he is regarded by many as a person of notable cultural and artistic expertise, in as far as it goes his musical talent, career and expertise

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Tremolina said:

An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical reasoning in either a professional or a personal capacity.

‘Intellectual’ can denote three types of persons:

1. A person involved in, and with, abstract, erudite ideas and theories.
2. A person whose profession (science, medicine, literature) solely involves the production and dissemination of ideas.^[1]
3. A person of notable cultural and artistic expertise whose knowledge grants him or her intellectual authority in public discourse.

source: wikipedia

One could disagree about the level of critical or analytical reasoning Prince applies in his artistic profession, but not about the fact that he is regarded by many as a person of notable cultural and artistic expertise, in as far as it goes his musical talent, career and expertise

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Hi Tremolina, long time no speak

Funny - I was looking at the same article and was going to quote the very same thing you have, I'm just loathe to quote anything off Wikipedia! But, what you say is correct and was precisely what I was going to say.

Prince certainly fits those definitions, when it comes to MUSIC. He is a musical intellectual for sure. Beyond that, its difficult to say, but its also irrelevant. As I said above, Prince is a musical artist and this is the criteria on which he should be judged - otherwise, judging Bill Clinton about his prowess on sax, instead of his politics, would be just as relevant (which, of course, it isn't!)

Mindflux said:

rapper said:

You said it very well. His education beyond high school has consisted of things he is only interested in and more on the side of his opinion (it seems). His fame has pushed him so far out of the real world his mind is blown when he watches a Michael Moore movie.

Wow, this thread is fucking ridiculous! Prince is a musical artist - he's never put himself out there as an intellectual, so I'm not sure why it is even being discussed. The thread may as well have been "Prince - the nuclear physicist"!!

What you have said there in particular basically amounts to nothing. ANYBODY's "education" beyond high school involves finding out more about subjects that are of interest to them - its no different for Prince. And Prince went straight from school in to a career that he has never left and he has become one of the foremost people in that field. That's his acheivement and its not diminished by people speculating on his intelligence.

What's next? "Bill Clinton - the musician", just because he plays saxophone?! Should we dissect his "career" as a saxophonist and his failure to be the best in that game? It would be as pointless as this discussion.

I'm 100% agree with you. Prince is intelligent and genius in what he is doing, and unlike most of people on this earth his career is something he LOVES and ENJOYS doing it. Most of people hates their jobs and complain all the time.

Actually, Prince has stated in an interview (the one with Tavis Smiley in 2009 - could be wrong) that he enjoys debating deep issues with Tavis and Dr Cornell West so that's why I started this thread. Also, during the first Iraq war I remember reading that a journalist commented that he seemed to know a great deal about that conflict.

bigbrother said:

Actually, Prince has stated in an interview (the one with Tavis Smiley in 2009 - could be wrong) that he enjoys debating deep issues with Tavis and Dr Cornell West so that's why I started this thread. Also, during the first Iraq war I remember reading that a journalist commented that he seemed to know a great deal about that conflict.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. Its not your idea that I have a problem with, its the responses. The concept of discussing Prince as an intellectual is entirely valid - the weak, biased, ill-considered retorts that followed are what have little, if any, validity.

C'mon, I think if I disagreed with his genius, the last palce I would hang out is a Prince fan site.

I was pointing out how stubborn he is and how his detachment from the real world has the possibility to make him slightly naive.

Big deal if he knew what happed during desert storm, it was the only thing that was on TV!

I would love to see the debates between Tavis the Dr and him, they probably just let him talk or kiss his behind like most celebs.

The question here as far as I am concrened is not about his music genius. All you have to do is watch his interviews and the contridictions that happen only one interview apart to get a glimpse of his reality.

rapper said:

C'mon, I think if I disagreed with his genius, the last palce I would hang out is a Prince fan site.

I was pointing out how stubborn he is and how his detachment from the real world has the possibility to make him slightly naive.

Big deal if he knew what happed during desert storm, it was the only thing that was on TV!

I would love to see the debates between Tavis the Dr and him, they probably just let him talk or kiss his behind like most celebs.

The question here as far as I am concrened is not about his music genius. All you have to do is watch his interviews and the contridictions that happen only one interview apart to get a glimpse of his reality.

I already told you that P is not an interview material.

Mindflux said:

Tremolina said:

An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical reasoning in either a professional or a personal capacity.

‘Intellectual’ can denote three types of persons:

1. A person involved in, and with, abstract, erudite ideas and theories.
2. A person whose profession (science, medicine, literature) solely involves the production and dissemination of ideas.^[1]
3. A person of notable cultural and artistic expertise whose knowledge grants him or her intellectual authority in public discourse.

source: wikipedia

One could disagree about the level of critical or analytical reasoning Prince applies in his artistic profession, but not about the fact that he is regarded by many as a person of notable cultural and artistic expertise, in as far as it goes his musical talent, career and expertise

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Hi Tremolina, long time no speak

Funny - I was looking at the same article and was going to quote the very same thing you have, I'm just loathe to quote anything off Wikipedia! But, what you say is correct and was precisely what I was going to say.

Prince certainly fits those definitions, when it comes to MUSIC. He is a musical intellectual for sure. Beyond that, its difficult to say, but its also irrelevant. As I said above, Prince is a musical artist and this is the criteria on which he should be judged - otherwise, judging Bill Clinton about his prowess on sax, instead of his politics, would be just as relevant (which, of course, it isn't!)

Hello Mindflux, seems like yesterday

We are not in disagreement. I was just throwing out the definition of 'intellectual' out there to help further the discussion and keep it pure.

As for Bill Clinton, he is an intellectual in politics with musical taste and interest. Prince is an intellectual in music with political taste and interest.

That's basically it.

Tremolina said:

Mindflux said:

Hi Tremolina, long time no speak

Funny - I was looking at the same article and was going to quote the very same thing you have, I'm just loathe to quote anything off Wikipedia! But, what you say is correct and was precisely what I was going to say.

Prince certainly fits those definitions, when it comes to MUSIC. He is a musical intellectual for sure. Beyond that, its difficult to say, but its also irrelevant. As I said above, Prince is a musical artist and this is the criteria on which he should be judged - otherwise, judging Bill Clinton about his prowess on sax, instead of his politics, would be just as relevant (which, of course, it isn't!)

Hello Mindflux, seems like yesterday

We are not in disagreement. I was just throwing out the definition of 'intellectual' out there to help further the discussion and keep it pure.

As for Bill Clinton, he is an intellectual in politics with musical taste and interest. Prince is an intellectual in music with political taste and interest.

That's basically it.

Oh, absolutely. I hear what you're saying and entirely agree. And I wanted that to come across in the original reply but, on reflection, how I've written the send paragraph might imply that I didn't entirely agree. But that's not the case.

Anyway, nice to have discourse with you again. I've been away from the org for a while - working hard on my new album, setting up a record label and sorting everything out for its release in April. Busy times, but entirely enjoyable.

Hope everything is well with you.

Good to hear the music is still flowing and the business running mate. I hope your release become successful.

Remember: it's better to embrace the inevitable than to fight it, but always make sure not to tumble into any legal pitfalls.

eireboy34 said:

Can anyone mention anything half intelligent Prince has ever said?

Maybe the American definition of "intellectual" is different to that of European???

Positivity

Tremolina said:

An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical reasoning in either a professional or a personal capacity.

‘Intellectual’ can denote three types of persons:

1. A person involved in, and with, abstract, erudite ideas and theories.
2. A person whose profession (science, medicine, literature) solely involves the production and dissemination of ideas.^[1]
3. A person of notable cultural and artistic expertise whose knowledge grants him or her intellectual authority in public discourse.

source: wikipedia

One could disagree about the level of critical or analytical reasoning Prince applies in his artistic profession, but not about the fact that he is regarded by many as a person of notable cultural and artistic expertise, in as far as it goes his musical talent, career and expertise

.

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I find it interesting that some are completely ignoring the definition presented, "An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical reasoning in either a professional or a personal capacity."

And rather try to make a case by implying that Prince's level of "academic" achievement somehow disqualifies him from being an "intellectual".

I'm certain each of us has met at least one individual (some, not all) with an advanced degree that was as dumb as a bag of rocks (possibly dumber). One does not have to be an intellectual or even posses superior intelligence to sit through classes, lectures, etc. and pass tests.

The definition clearly states that "...a person, who uses intelligence. (thought and reason)...in a personal capacity." This certainly fits Prince from what we've seen. You may not agree with his theories and he may even be wrong, but excercising the critical thought and analysis processes qualifies him. In comparison, think about other high-profile individuals who dare not discuss worldly issues or who do not espouse higher thoughts? --and that's ok too.

As for the suggested "types" of intellectuals, Prince certainly meets the criteria of items 1 & 2.

A colonized mind is one that has been cultured to believe only what it is taught. An intellectural uses critical thinking, analysis and observation to develop thoughts, hypothesis and theories.

One more concept: None of us know, really, what Prince has done to educate himself. He's traveled the world and most likely conversed with many, many people with varied educational and environmental experiences. I would guess he reads alot.

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Prince isn't some gullible follower, of anybody's oakie doke views.

Theres to types of people. Leaders & followers.

Prince proved through his career he's a leader. He goes against the grain.

Right or wrong, he does it his way.

Yeah! He was wrong when he prophesized the end of the world.

2000-0-0 party over oop's out of time.

Prince always been ahead of the game.

You can hear his views in his music.(Genius!)

Prince know's the truth, and is living in the real world.

We're the delusion living in an illusion.

colorblu said:

eireboy34 said:

Can anyone mention anything half intelligent Prince has ever said?

Maybe the American definition of "intellectual" is different to that of European???

Positivity

Oh yeah, like Wow, that's, like, deep ( man).

boscho said:

purplerain14 said:

"there will be peace for those who love god alot"

do u know how smart u have to be to make music, prince did it by himself!

he learned 20 instruments by the age of 12!....and he did not have anyone there helping him!

i bet none of us here are as smart as prince....if we were we would be rich and famous!

i think u should stop questioning prince's intelligence and start questioning ur own

I was going to repsond to you, but then i read your signature.

whats that sapost to mean

eireboy34 said:

Sorry, much as I love his music I've always found the man to be a bit dim.

If he can hang with Cornel West I doubt he is dim as you think. In addtion, a dim person would not be able to pick up so many instruments. Dude is not a rocket scientist but the dim comment is a bit much.

purplerain14 said:

boscho said:

I was going to repsond to you, but then i read your signature.

whats that sapost to mean

Your age and the fact you are typing in Prince gibberish and your signature is a Prince quote which castigates all non-Christian peopl is working against you. Seems a little bizarre to me that you would even think to be taken seriously with words like that.

laurarichardson said:

eireboy34 said:

Sorry, much as I love his music I've always found the man to be a bit dim.

If he can hang with Cornel West I doubt he is dim as you think. In addtion, a dim person would not be able to pick up so many instruments. Dude is not a rocket scientist but the dim comment is a bit much.

he can hang with Cornell West because Prince is a blank slate whose head is easily filled up with every stray word West has to say without any critical thinking about with being gospel.