These are the sales i got of Prince org:

1996 Chaos & Disorder 350,000 = 150,000 200,000

But i saw on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRI...1e5f92fb8d

Over a million now? Platinum?

Sam 8)

yeah dude that'd be a scam.

For all I love Chaos and Disorder there is no way it sold over a gazzillion copies.

But....but....it comes with a "certificate of authenticity"!

In the UK, an album has to only sell over 300,000 to qualify as platinum.

USA is over 1,000,000.

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dannyd5050 said:

But....but....it comes with a "certificate of authenticity"!

I would want that certificate to be from Warners, but i doubt that C&D has sold over 300,000 in the Uk alone.

It says on the plaque 'In recognition of worldwide sales' - please tell me no one is stupid enough to think it's legit.

I always thought that these gold/platinum discs look quite tacky.

I emailed the seller he said its logical and real. He also has other discs.

Sam 8)

sambluedolphin said:

I emailed the seller he said its logical and real. He also has other discs.

Sam 8)

Certificate from whom??? Who actually gives out platinum discs for "worldwide" sales? The requirements for a platinum disc vary from region to region.

Either way, C&D is not a platinum record in the US and I sincerely doubt it is in the UK, either.

mynameisnotsusan said:

It says on the plaque 'In recognition of worldwide sales' - please tell me no one is stupid enough to think it's legit.

Somewhere there's a guy with silver spraypaint on his fingers and a 12" circle on the ground where he spraypainted this record.

Top 10 reasons this is fake:

10. Ain't no way C&D went platinum

9. The RIAA or its british counterpart would have its logo somewhere on it

8. An actual platinum record award would not have the words "Platinum Disc" on it. (It's obviously a platinum disc)

7. An actual platinum recrod award would not have the words "Limited Edition" on it. Limited editions are for collectors, not for awards. Does Sir Stevie Spielberg's Oscar have "limited edition" on it?

6. What does "In recognition of worldwide sales" mean? Are we to believe they gave Prince an award because he managed to sell the record in more than a few countries? A real award would have the sales numbers on it.

5. An actual platinum record award wouldn't have "Limited Edition" on it TWICE

4. An actual platinum record award wouldn't be numbered

3. "This presentation contains the original cd and artwork." Would a reputable seller also sell the CD with it?

2."Each one is limited to 20." If it was a real award, would anyone care how many were made?

1. Nowhere in the auction does it say its a platinum sales award for a million copies or a certain number of copies sold

And the worst part, the damn thing is ugly! At least make it look nice, then maybe someone would buy it for ornamental reasons rather than to celebrate an album that came out 15 years ago that nobody bought!

Chas

Chaos and Disorder... GREAT album. This album is so underated!! LOVE IT!!

dandeeland said:

Chaos and Disorder... GREAT album. This album is so underated!! LOVE IT!!

Damn straight!

'dre

I like it too, lots of good hooks

alphastreet said:

I like it too, lots of good hooks

yeah Dig U Better Dead.....bein on of the best

dandeeland said:

Chaos and Disorder... GREAT album. This album is so underated!! LOVE IT!!

Most definatlely underrated! I'm not a fan of Right The Wrong (I guess Prince made good on his threat to WB about putting out a Country and Western song!). My only complaint is that it's too short. I understand it was somewhat of a contractual obligation album, but surely he could have put a few more tunes on there.

C&D and Zannalee I think are classic Prince guitar jams, and "In to the light" and the segue to "I will" are like one long beautiful song.

If I recall correctly, wasn't the entire promotional effort comprised of Prince on Letterman and a cheesy screen saver?

Whatchall think?

Chas

Chas said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

It says on the plaque 'In recognition of worldwide sales' - please tell me no one is stupid enough to think it's legit.

Somewhere there's a guy with silver spraypaint on his fingers and a 12" circle on the ground where he spraypainted this record.

Top 10 reasons this is fake:

10. Ain't no way C&D went platinum

9. The RIAA or its british counterpart would have its logo somewhere on it

8. An actual platinum record award would not have the words "Platinum Disc" on it. (It's obviously a platinum disc)

7. An actual platinum recrod award would not have the words "Limited Edition" on it. Limited editions are for collectors, not for awards. Does Sir Stevie Spielberg's Oscar have "limited edition" on it?

6. What does "In recognition of worldwide sales" mean? Are we to believe they gave Prince an award because he managed to sell the record in more than a few countries? A real award would have the sales numbers on it.

5. An actual platinum record award wouldn't have "Limited Edition" on it TWICE

4. An actual platinum record award wouldn't be numbered

3. "This presentation contains the original cd and artwork." Would a reputable seller also sell the CD with it?

2."Each one is limited to 20." If it was a real award, would anyone care how many were made?

1. Nowhere in the auction does it say its a platinum sales award for a million copies or a certain number of copies sold

And the worst part, the damn thing is ugly! At least make it look nice, then maybe someone would buy it for ornamental reasons rather than to celebrate an album that came out 15 years ago that nobody bought!

Chas

I remember when the CD came out, all stores sold out, so i had 2 wait. There were 20 printed, C&D was a number of 'platinum' discs as well as Very Best, Purple rain etc. So cant be all fake.

the independant agency which certified it and the total sales are no UK or USA, but cleary says 'Worldwide' sales so it would obviously sell easily over a million. It carries a 'Certificate of Authenticity' so cant be fake.

Sam 8)

sambluedolphin said:

I remember when the CD came out, all stores sold out, so i had 2 wait. There were 20 printed, C&D was a number of 'platinum' discs as well as Very Best, Purple rain etc. So cant be all fake.

the independant agency which certified it and the total sales are no UK or USA, but cleary says 'Worldwide' sales so it would obviously sell easily over a million. It carries a 'Certificate of Authenticity' so cant be fake.

Sam 8)

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. C&D has struggled to sell even 400,000 worldwide. It hasn't been easy at all.

Who exactly is this "independent agency"? What value is laid upon the issuer of this "Certificate Of Authenticity"?

This is plainly a scam.

I have a hard time believing that 1 million copies even exist.

errant said:

I have a hard time believing that 1 million copies even exist.

I Have A Hard Time Believin That The Lovesexy Album, Graffiti Bridge, D & Ps and The Symbol Album...is well loved...cuz there dated terribley and corny as ya grandads feet....but thats life jk! x

Optimus2 said:

errant said:

I have a hard time believing that 1 million copies even exist.

I Have A Hard Time Believin That The Lovesexy Album, Graffiti Bridge, D & Ps and The Symbol Album...is well loved...cuz there dated terribley and corny as ya grandads feet....but thats life jk! x

parts of them are, definitely.

Optimus2 said:

errant said:

I have a hard time believing that 1 million copies even exist.

I Have A Hard Time Believin That The Lovesexy Album, Graffiti Bridge, D & Ps and The Symbol Album...is well loved...cuz there dated terribley and corny as ya grandads feet....but thats life jk! x

There's, also, a difference. The former is based on factual sales figures and the latter is merely personal opinion.

Chaos and Disorder is long out of print like other Prince albums around that time. Chaos has not crossed the 250,000 threshold in america, last heard it was around 190,000 at best, worldwide it did nothing at all, i believe i have heard totals under 20,000. Next to NEWS which really wasnt a Prince album in the classic sense no vocals, it ranks as his lowest selling cd, The Rainbow Children outdid it despite at the time being in only one major retail outlet Best Buy/Sam Goody, and having no commercial push or singles.

errant said:

I have a hard time believing that 1 million copies even exist.

I doubt half that number exist.

lastdecember said:

Chaos and Disorder is long out of print like other Prince albums around that time. Chaos has not crossed the 250,000 threshold in america, last heard it was around 190,000 at best, worldwide it did nothing at all, i believe i have heard totals under 20,000. Next to NEWS which really wasnt a Prince album in the classic sense no vocals, it ranks as his lowest selling cd, The Rainbow Children outdid it despite at the time being in only one major retail outlet Best Buy/Sam Goody, and having no commercial push or singles.

The only printed reference I've ever seen with regard to Chaos and Disorder sales figures was how remarkably poorly it had sold for an artist of his stature.

[Edited 1/10/11 3:18am]

Chas said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

It says on the plaque 'In recognition of worldwide sales' - please tell me no one is stupid enough to think it's legit.

Somewhere there's a guy with silver spraypaint on his fingers and a 12" circle on the ground where he spraypainted this record.

Top 10 reasons this is fake:

10. Ain't no way C&D went platinum

9. The RIAA or its british counterpart would have its logo somewhere on it

8. An actual platinum record award would not have the words "Platinum Disc" on it. (It's obviously a platinum disc)

7. An actual platinum recrod award would not have the words "Limited Edition" on it. Limited editions are for collectors, not for awards. Does Sir Stevie Spielberg's Oscar have "limited edition" on it?

6. What does "In recognition of worldwide sales" mean? Are we to believe they gave Prince an award because he managed to sell the record in more than a few countries? A real award would have the sales numbers on it.

5. An actual platinum record award wouldn't have "Limited Edition" on it TWICE

4. An actual platinum record award wouldn't be numbered

3. "This presentation contains the original cd and artwork." Would a reputable seller also sell the CD with it?

2."Each one is limited to 20." If it was a real award, would anyone care how many were made?

1. Nowhere in the auction does it say its a platinum sales award for a million copies or a certain number of copies sold

And the worst part, the damn thing is ugly! At least make it look nice, then maybe someone would buy it for ornamental reasons rather than to celebrate an album that came out 15 years ago that nobody bought!

Chas

I remember when the CD came out, all stores sold out, so i had 2 wait. There were 20 printed, C&D was a number of 'platinum' discs as well as Very Best, Purple rain etc. So cant be all fake.

the independant agency which certified it and the total sales are no UK or USA, but cleary says 'Worldwide' sales so it would obviously sell easily over a million. It carries a 'Certificate of Authenticity' so cant be fake.

Sam 8)

In HMV (cd/dvd merchants) you can still order C&D. When i was out it charted top 5 in rock charts, probably high in offical charts, i remember i couldnt get it, it was sold out, i had 2 wait. Because WB marketed it there spent a lot of money advertising it, a massive card board display and they played 'Dinner with delors' a lot on radio, which charted on singles chart.

Sam 8)

sambluedolphin said:

In HMV (cd/dvd merchants) you can still order C&D. When i was out it charted top 5 in rock charts, probably high in offical charts, i remember i couldnt get it, it was sold out, i had 2 wait. Because WB marketed it there spent a lot of money advertising it, a massive card board display and they played 'Dinner with delors' a lot on radio, which charted on singles chart.

The only reason you can still order it is because there are a lot of unsold units laying around. It's out of print as far as I'm aware.

sambluedolphin said:

Chas said:

Somewhere there's a guy with silver spraypaint on his fingers and a 12" circle on the ground where he spraypainted this record.

Top 10 reasons this is fake:

10. Ain't no way C&D went platinum

9. The RIAA or its british counterpart would have its logo somewhere on it

8. An actual platinum record award would not have the words "Platinum Disc" on it. (It's obviously a platinum disc)

7. An actual platinum recrod award would not have the words "Limited Edition" on it. Limited editions are for collectors, not for awards. Does Sir Stevie Spielberg's Oscar have "limited edition" on it?

6. What does "In recognition of worldwide sales" mean? Are we to believe they gave Prince an award because he managed to sell the record in more than a few countries? A real award would have the sales numbers on it.

5. An actual platinum record award wouldn't have "Limited Edition" on it TWICE

4. An actual platinum record award wouldn't be numbered

3. "This presentation contains the original cd and artwork." Would a reputable seller also sell the CD with it?

2."Each one is limited to 20." If it was a real award, would anyone care how many were made?

1. Nowhere in the auction does it say its a platinum sales award for a million copies or a certain number of copies sold

And the worst part, the damn thing is ugly! At least make it look nice, then maybe someone would buy it for ornamental reasons rather than to celebrate an album that came out 15 years ago that nobody bought!

Chas

I remember when the CD came out, all stores sold out, so i had 2 wait. There were 20 printed, C&D was a number of 'platinum' discs as well as Very Best, Purple rain etc. So cant be all fake.

the independant agency which certified it and the total sales are no UK or USA, but cleary says 'Worldwide' sales so it would obviously sell easily over a million. It carries a 'Certificate of Authenticity' so cant be fake.

Sam 8)

In HMV (cd/dvd merchants) you can still order C&D. When i was out it charted top 5 in rock charts, probably high in offical charts, i remember i couldnt get it, it was sold out, i had 2 wait. Because WB marketed it there spent a lot of money advertising it, a massive card board display and they played 'Dinner with delors' a lot on radio, which charted on singles chart.

Sam 8)

You having to wait to get a copy of C&D is not an accurate sales measurement.

Prince basically pissed on the promotion of it.

It spent exactly 4 weeks on the UK Top 75 album charts. It debuted at 14, then 33 then 41 then 55.

http://www.chartstats.com...p?id=11422

Dinner with Delores spent 2 weeks on the UK chart. Number 36 then 67.

http://www.chartstats.com...p?id=24368

Those are both shite and it was probably the best performing market for Chaos in the world.

The album debuted at number 26 in the US Top 200 and spent 4 weeks on that chart.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the quality of the album and if you love it great but do not be under any illusion that Chaos and Disorder has ever attained any kind of platinum or even gold certification officially by any reputable governing body. Find one piece of evidence and I'll stand corrected.

This is a guy, running a scam, with a silver spray can and Certificates of Authenticity , defrauding fans with bullshit made up awards.

mynameisnotsusan said:

This is a guy, running a scam, with a silver spray can and Certificates of Authenticity , defrauding fans with bullshit made up awards.

Indeed, that's all that really needs to be said about this scam.

jtfolden said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

This is a guy, running a scam, with a silver spray can and Certificates of Authenticity , defrauding fans with bullshit made up awards.

Indeed, that's all that really needs to be said about this scam.

LOL! LMAO!

Sam 8)

RIAA's website shows the album hasn't even hit gold yet, let alone platinum.

http://riaa.org/goldandplatinumdata.php

Also, in defense of the seller, nowhere does it say this is a platinum record award. It actually appears to be the CD itself, surrounded by some metal (foil perhaps?). I think it's more of a "this might look neat" thing than an actual collector's item.

Still shady, though.

[Edited 1/11/11 17:26pm]