We all assume that the remasters will countain all the alternate mixes and b-sides, but do you think that they should contain the single edits?

It might be particularly boring because that would mean to have so many versions of one song, with some songs having the album version + remixes/extended + the edit, let alone the fact that several songs actually have several, different edits of 'em and that gets worse if u include the promos...

But on the other hands, some completists might be frustrated if the edits are never rereleased (and remastered).

What's your opinion on this?

Mine is that the remastered edits should not be ignored, but offered as bonuses on a website instead of being included in a CD release (for the reasons mentioned above). Unless of course each album becomes an insane 5 CD package (in which case there's enough room for that) but this probably ain't gonna happen.

So what do u think?

[Edited 1/9/11 13:38pm]

Did I miss some news? Are they releasing remasters?

If so, I wouldn't mind the edits being included.

no, because they aren't artist sanctioned versions usually, and most people don't give a shit about them, and for completists you can get bootlegs that archive them well. who really actually listens to them anyways?

databank said:

We all assume that the remasters will countain all the alternate mixes and b-sides

*I assume if The Remasters ever see the light of day..

It will be just that, The album remasterd.. With no Special / Bonus tracks*

but do you think that they should contain the single edits?

Ohh i'd be What a waste of space

So my anser is no

This is Prince we are talking about. Therefore I assume nothing. I will believe the remasters will be released when I see them...

I don't assume anything.

We ain't got any proof that those remasters will EVER exist...

So what's the use of wasting time and bandwith 'assuming' things about something that might easily NEVER happen?

[Edited 1/9/11 14:39pm]

Who needs shorter versions of the songs? IF remasters ever are released, it's obvious that we need one disc with the original album, and a 2nd disc with applicable outakes, b-sides (unedited) and 12" mixes.

I want remastered edits in CD quality. Very useful for compilations. The bootleg archives are alright, but are pretty sloppy compared to the work people have done to the extended version.

But I'd rather have them in their own set than taking up space on a bonus disc for the albums that should be reserved for extended versions, outtakes and unreleased alternate versions.

There may be different versions released after the first remastered versions is released. Prince is going to collect all the funds he can get from these masterpieces........

Here's what I want, and will preorder immediately upon their (please, god, please!) announcement.

1. The Albums, Remastered: The original album on one disc (or two, as the case may be), and the official 12"s and b-sides on the other. Nothing else (though in the case of the first few albums, I suppose I could tolerate having the 12" stuff on the album disc, since there ain't that much).
2. The Vault: A boxed set containing nothing but outtakes and demos. As many discs as it takes, even if it needs to be released in multiple volumes. No hits. If they're worried it'll have limited appeal, then make it a limited edition.
3. The Prince Singles Collection: A two or three cd set of the edit version of every Prince single, in chronological order. All singles that were edited for release will say 'edit version' after their name, so that casual fans will know that they're getting the short versions of the songs, and will be compelled to pick up the remastered albums, as well.

Prince, I'm standing here waving money in the air, waiting to buy this. Please don't let me down.

If remasters are done, I hope they release the audiophile version in 24 bit 192 khz versions! And I hope they have multichannel version supervised by Prince. (Maybe when he's too old to stand, he'll be seated and do this)

eyewishuheaven said:

Here's what I want, and will preorder immediately upon their (please, god, please!) announcement.

1. The Albums, Remastered: The original album on one disc (or two, as the case may be), and the official 12"s and b-sides on the other. Nothing else (though in the case of the first few albums, I suppose I could tolerate having the 12" stuff on the album disc, since there ain't that much).
2. The Vault: A boxed set containing nothing but outtakes and demos. As many discs as it takes, even if it needs to be released in multiple volumes. No hits. If they're worried it'll have limited appeal, then make it a limited edition.
3. The Prince Singles Collection: A two or three cd set of the edit version of every Prince single, in chronological order. All singles that were edited for release will say 'edit version' after their name, so that casual fans will know that they're getting the short versions of the songs, and will be compelled to pick up the remastered albums, as well.

Prince, I'm standing here waving money in the air, waiting to buy this. Please don't let me down.

eyewishuheaven said:

Here's what I want, and will preorder immediately upon their (please, god, please!) announcement.

1. The Albums, Remastered: The original album on one disc (or two, as the case may be), and the official 12"s and b-sides on the other. Nothing else (though in the case of the first few albums, I suppose I could tolerate having the 12" stuff on the album disc, since there ain't that much).
2. The Vault: A boxed set containing nothing but outtakes and demos. As many discs as it takes, even if it needs to be released in multiple volumes. No hits. If they're worried it'll have limited appeal, then make it a limited edition.
3. The Prince Singles Collection: A two or three cd set of the edit version of every Prince single, in chronological order. All singles that were edited for release will say 'edit version' after their name, so that casual fans will know that they're getting the short versions of the songs, and will be compelled to pick up the remastered albums, as well.

Prince, I'm standing here waving money in the air, waiting to buy this. Please don't let me down.

Nice, and I think Prince's back catalogue deserves such attention.

To answer OP, I think single edits are nerd territory (that's us lot). General audience doesn't really care too much or even know of such things. Generally speaking, Prince's single edits weren't hugely different to album version - often just literally edited not always "remixed" - compared to some other acts. So a 7" collection, even a cheap-o best of, would be great to get everything onto digital finally.

I think about remasters and mildly worry that if they do it wrong, how long will it be till they do it again and do it right?

i like the edits in some places because a lot of the time thats how i first heard the songs on the radio....batdance is one where i prefer the edit version...just think it fits better..but overall i prefer the original versions but i like to have the edits as well...

And of course we can't forget that Kiss has a couple bars of guitar fadeout that you can't get anywhere else, and I Would Die 4 U has an 'ending'. Those are certainly worth preserving, in my book (though of course they're on The Hits)...

(EDIT: Things like the edit version of Another Lonely Christmas, however, can be lost to time - I won't miss 'em. But then I hear that the edit version of Hello has bits that the 12" doesn't have. Hmm... I don't know what to do about that... good question, OP! )

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eyewishuheaven said:

Here's what I want, and will preorder immediately upon their (please, god, please!) announcement.

1. The Albums, Remastered: The original album on one disc (or two, as the case may be), and the official 12"s and b-sides on the other. Nothing else (though in the case of the first few albums, I suppose I could tolerate having the 12" stuff on the album disc, since there ain't that much).
2. The Vault: A boxed set containing nothing but outtakes and demos. As many discs as it takes, even if it needs to be released in multiple volumes. No hits. If they're worried it'll have limited appeal, then make it a limited edition.
3. The Prince Singles Collection: A two or three cd set of the edit version of every Prince single, in chronological order. All singles that were edited for release will say 'edit version' after their name, so that casual fans will know that they're getting the short versions of the songs, and will be compelled to pick up the remastered albums, as well.

Prince, I'm standing here waving money in the air, waiting to buy this. Please don't let me down.

Add to that please

4. The Prince Live Experience DVD and CD box, with a CD and DVD of every tour.

Including aftershows

A few edits deserve to be preserved,

kiss, I would die 4 u, alphabet street for example.

Some don't (that bloody edit of 1999 that makes all the compilations).

I've a friend who is convinced that the 7" version of Purple Rain is by far the greatest. Not sure what to make of that :/

jaawwnn said:

I've a friend who is convinced that the 7" version of Purple Rain is by far the greatest. Not sure what to make of that :/

Is that the one that fades out right at the beginning of the guitar solo?

No offense, but your friend needs professional attention!

NouveauDance said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Here's what I want, and will preorder immediately upon their (please, god, please!) announcement.

1. The Albums, Remastered: The original album on one disc (or two, as the case may be), and the official 12"s and b-sides on the other. Nothing else (though in the case of the first few albums, I suppose I could tolerate having the 12" stuff on the album disc, since there ain't that much).
2. The Vault: A boxed set containing nothing but outtakes and demos. As many discs as it takes, even if it needs to be released in multiple volumes. No hits. If they're worried it'll have limited appeal, then make it a limited edition.
3. The Prince Singles Collection: A two or three cd set of the edit version of every Prince single, in chronological order. All singles that were edited for release will say 'edit version' after their name, so that casual fans will know that they're getting the short versions of the songs, and will be compelled to pick up the remastered albums, as well.

Prince, I'm standing here waving money in the air, waiting to buy this. Please don't let me down.

Nice, and I think Prince's back catalogue deserves such attention.

To answer OP, I think single edits are nerd territory (that's us lot). General audience doesn't really care too much or even know of such things. Generally speaking, Prince's single edits weren't hugely different to album version - often just literally edited not always "remixed" - compared to some other acts. So a 7" collection, even a cheap-o best of, would be great to get everything onto digital finally.

I think about remasters and mildly worry that if they do it wrong, how long will it be till they do it again and do it right?

I agree that the single edits are kinda for completists only.

Personally, I wouldn't put too many 12" versions etc. on the Album remasters. I'd try and keep the bonus tracks on them to previously unreleased outtakes and alternate versions etc.

I'd save the 12" versions, single edits and b-sides for a series of singles box sets. With a separate disc for each single, each one containing all the released versions of the A and B sides, plus previously unreleased mixes etc. as well. I'd also be inclined to include releases for shelved singles too.

I think the reissues should all be 2 CD/1DVD so they can include single edits, 12", b-sides, alternate mixes, uncut versions, and vault cuts. The DVD should have the videos, TV appearances, and live concerts, as well as a surround mix, and make most of them deluxe editions. If you've seen the U2 reissues, they've put them out a few here, a few there.

And also throw in a few "authorized bootlegs" from past tours as a limited release.

BorisFishpaw said:

I'd save the 12" versions, single edits and b-sides for a series of singles box sets. With a separate disc for each single, each one containing all the released versions of the A and B sides, plus previously unreleased mixes etc. as well. I'd also be inclined to include releases for shelved singles too.

I love it when you talk dirty.

BorisFishpaw said:

NouveauDance said:

Nice, and I think Prince's back catalogue deserves such attention.

To answer OP, I think single edits are nerd territory (that's us lot). General audience doesn't really care too much or even know of such things. Generally speaking, Prince's single edits weren't hugely different to album version - often just literally edited not always "remixed" - compared to some other acts. So a 7" collection, even a cheap-o best of, would be great to get everything onto digital finally.

I think about remasters and mildly worry that if they do it wrong, how long will it be till they do it again and do it right?

I agree that the single edits are kinda for completists only.

Personally, I wouldn't put too many 12" versions etc. on the Album remasters. I'd try and keep the bonus tracks on them to previously unreleased outtakes and alternate versions etc.

I'd save the 12" versions, single edits and b-sides for a series of singles box sets. With a separate disc for each single, each one containing all the released versions of the A and B sides, plus previously unreleased mixes etc. as well. I'd also be inclined to include releases for shelved singles too.

This is exactly what I've been hoping for for a long time. But I've given up on it. I'm down to just hoping for a straight remaster with the hope of a bonus disc with extended stuff on a bonus disc. I don't think we'll get a massive campaign with the back catalog until he's gone or too old to tour

If the remasters do see the light of day...

It's gonna be 99% like the ones we've already bought (multiple times for some of us!). The 1% change will be that he'll edit out the words he deems to be profane, and maybe the artists he doesn't want to make money. (Maybe a Tony M-less D&P? One can dream!) The sound mix will be a bit better, probably. As for outtakes or remixes or b-sides being included: Don't hold your breath. Or, he'll make one or two really deluxe packages, then not release any more remasters. He has what I call "musical ADD." He's all into a project, 110%, until he sees some shiny metal object out the corner of his eye, then all bets are off. That's just my observation after following the guy for the last 26 years or so.

Regarding the original edits, if he's going to remaster the album, I would hope he puts on the original versions that were on the original albums. While it would be cool to hear the extended version of Kiss on a remastered Parade, I like the quick switch to Another Lover. And would you want to hear the shortened versions of the songs when you're used to hearing the full ones on the album? To me, those early albums were like tapestries or mosaics: Lots of different pieces that come together to create a cohesive whole work of art. Collecting the edits is good for posterity, but IMHO, they're good for little else.

The bottom line is: Prince is finna do what Prince is finna do. Ain't none of us gonna change it.

Chas

Wwowowowow dude, no one speaks about REPLACING any song on the albums by their edits (or extended), i was of course talking about bonus trax. The albums should b rereleased exactly as they were, and without any censorship (and i betcha he'll leave all the cursing, the dude might b eccentric but he ain't insane). And wtf is that about editing Tony M. out? Ernestsewell did it, get his edits online and leave D&P alone!!!

databank said:

Wwowowowow dude, no one speaks about REPLACING any song on the albums by their edits (or extended), i was of course talking about bonus trax. The albums should b rereleased exactly as they were, and without any censorship (and i betcha he'll leave all the cursing, the dude might b eccentric but he ain't insane). And wtf is that about editing Tony M. out? Ernestsewell did it, get his edits online and leave D&P alone!!!

Well, save for a few offhand comments by Prince, the whole remasters project is complete conjecture... like the other 73,320 projects that are "forthcoming." Don't believe it 'til they're in your hands, or the mp3 hits yo ears! I think the bonus trax would be great. The remixes made that "ultimate" album worth buying unlike the "very best of" travesty. I don't think the edits should be considered "bonus tracks," cuz really, they're just shortened versions of the original. Just turn the volume down at about 3:50, or hit pause in the middle of Alphabet St. and you've got the edit. I think Kiss is the only edit that has something the album version doesn't. Right?

The editing out of Tony M was a joke. He's the shittiest rapper ever, but he's part of those albums, good or bad. I wouldn't want him out of an official release.

Chas

Kiss indeed, and Hello, and to a lesser extent I Would Die 4 U and Alphabet St.

It's quite ironic that the edits, originally designed to suit the taste of the general public with a radio friendly format, have now become hardcore fans/completists-only items