Tremolina said:

ladyleap2u said:

There are many famous people as well as regular folk that worship Satan and use the word God in a way to fool people. Some will believe; others won't. The Illuminati are powerful folks, but that's all I'm going to say about that.

Oh look another person who knows all about famous people, their devil worshipping and the Illuminati. While they are at it, they will also let you know that anybody that says they are talking shit, is a devil worshipper too. This is getting better every day. Are you also a JW?

Seriously? You sound like a very bitter person or just immature. Again, you have proven my point exactly. Have a better day...and smile. No, I'm not a JW...Wow, really? --has nothing to do with the topic. No further communication is necessary since I'm probably responding to a child---thanks.

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If you look closely during the MTV Awards Gett Off performance, you can see The Devil's face a few times...

ufoclub said:

ladyleap2u said:

Tremolina said:

Oh look another person who knows all about famous people, their devil worshipping and the Illuminati. While they are at it, they will also let you know that anybody that says they are talking shit, is a devil worshipper too. This is getting better every day. Are you also a JW?

Seriously? You sound like a very bitter person or just immature. Again, you have proven my point exactly. Have a better day...and smile. No, I'm not a JW...Wow, really? --has nothing to do with the topic. No further communication is necessary since I'm probably responding to a child---thanks.

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Right run away flaming when you are confronted with spreading nonsense. Nah, that's not immature or childish. Call somebody bitter or a hater just because you don't know how to defend your own made up stories.

BACK UP your claims, especially when they are so sensationalist as yours, is in what mature people do. In fact, children and people with no sense of responsibility spread unfound crazy rumours about other people.

I think Prince from time to time has used elements that some see as 'occult' (backwarded recordings, references to things like the number 666) just for the sake of provocation / promotion of his music and mostly in a playfull way. The same goes for the lyrics of a song like 'sister' and him wearing assless pants or stockings.

I mean, in the sixties people were listening to Beatles records, trying to listen to backwarded pieces to find out if Paul was really dead. Prince probably knew and knows that kind of things draw attention and incorporated some of it into his music.

Just because he did put backwared pieces into his music, doesnt mean he is into the occult. He just did use this element in a postmodern way.

I want to know how people here define "occult"?

Tremolina said:

muleFunk said:

It was common in the 1980's to hear preachers and other religious leaders link Prince to the Devil. I am not saying that he was or was not but some people here in America and specifically in the Bible Belt Southern USA thought that he was.

Well doesn't that say more than enough? It was mainly a bunch of Bible thumpers from the south claiming this crap. These people link gays, liberals, socialists, muslims and everything else that isn't to their liking to the devil as well, so we REALLY need to take this seriously now??

So because next to some Bible tumpers, some idiots on the internet think its cool to put Prince into their Illuminati "documentaries" (please!) we just mention that this too was the case, right?

Third I don't have time to spread lies on the fucking internet. I was recanting a conversation that I had with a person who thought in 1996 that Prince was in leagues with the Devil. Not once did I say that I believed this person.

You didnt say that he thought he was in leagues with the Devil. You referenced a conversation in which your co worker CLAIMED his child was taken by "the Dark One" as some sort of pay off for his deal with the devil.

And not once did you mention to take that as bullshit, on the contrary even.

You know you are wrong to do that, just like Militant knows he is wrong to suggest as fact that Prince was into the occult, with no facts to back it up either.

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Whatever.

Only you took it out of a bullshit context.

That's what the whole site is about bullshit conversations about Prince.

If you take this shit seriously you are going to be seeing a shrink.

I think the people here who are accusing him of being into the occult, either are:

- Trolls, trying to stir up some provocation;

- Conspiracy nuts, believing in the Illuminati, chemtrails, NWO etc

- People who label themselves as christians, and who are a bit affraid that Prince has done something that goes against their believes.

Or a combination of those three.. lol

Cornelius1973 said:

I think the people here who are accusing him of being into the occult, either are:

- Trolls, trying to stir up some provocation;

- Conspiracy nuts, believing in the Illuminati, chemtrails, NWO etc

- People who label themselves as christians, and who are a bit affraid that Prince has done something that goes against their believes.

Or a combination of those three.. lol

It's always funny to me when people talk about chemtrails and the NWO as if they are comic books or something to laugh about.

You know, when you've got people like Kissinger out there running their mouthes about borderless worlds and world governments, it's not so far-fetched. What proof has been unearthed that those things don't exist? Hell, it only takes like 10 minutes to look through Obama's cabinets to see he is in bed with billionaires.

Chemtrails is a very silly idea. Just research it out, and you will see it's like believing in the Tooth Fairy.

Of course Prince entertains the occult with references to a "crystal ball" being the most obvious element.

But I seriously doubt he is seriously into the occult as much as really into playing his guitar and getting another custom outfit produced. He uses supernatural/mystical references in a vague, theatrical way much like he uses sexuality theatrically. He also happens to be using this element less and less recently (I wish he would get back into his scifi/mystical concepts again as part of his schtick)

By the way noting the name 1999 is a reference to 666 (which is a biblical reference, not an occult reference) is the same as saying "the number 9 is really the number 6.... just hold it upside down!"

Spinlight, one word: common sense.

or maybe two: logical thinking could be included also.

When you look at those conspiracy sites, you see people who are affraid to get ruled by the so called NWO / Illuminati. Some secret world government, that works in the background of the existing governments.

You really think the several governments in the world have succeeded in working together for centuries, with some common goal: to bring the people down? Look at your own relations, your own family and friends. I assume you dont always agree with them, that you have fights from time to time? There is no way some movement that wants to control all the people, could have survived.

Next to that: look at the conspiracies about 9-11 or chemtrails. It ever occured to you that these kind of things are not 'watertight'. That someone would open their mouth and go against it? That is what people usually do when they follow their consciousness. Why 'believe' in fables about holographic planes when you can use your common sense? and show me the first air-pilot who tells he is spreading chemtrails and wont continue with it. I can't find them.

Last, but not least: the entire idea of some NWO wanting to put people in FEMA-camps, or the idea of governments trying to create civil unrest by letting muslim or mexican immigrants come in is misguiding. When you use your common sense you will realise that some NWO or 'Powers that be' are far better off with people that have a job, a good family life, with not much unrest in their life.

One word: Bilderberg.

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Tremolina said:

swdee said:

Also the all-seeing Eye

Here is a question for you and for all those who instantly believe Prince was into the occult because it looked like it and somebody says so, but now not anymore, because now it doesn't look like it anymore, now he is JW.

Guess what, as a JW he still used symbols like his own soapstone symbol, numerology and the all seeing eye. So is he still into the occult and devil worshipping?

Not everything is what it seems.

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Erm I never said I think P is into the occult just because someone said so, and erm why are you connecting the occult with devil worshipping

Occult= hidden from view.

These days the word has become a catch-all to describe any and everything out of the ordinary. People in general probably know little about genuine occult practices, they just think they do.

Anyhoo, Prince was always pretty adventurous and full of mischief...there is absolutely no evidence to suggest he has more than a superficial understanding of the occult, much less that he actually dabbled in it.

Cornelius1973 said:

Spinlight, one word: common sense.

or maybe two: logical thinking could be included also.

When you look at those conspiracy sites, you see people who are affraid to get ruled by the so called NWO / Illuminati. Some secret world government, that works in the background of the existing governments.

You really think the several governments in the world have succeeded in working together for centuries, with some common goal: to bring the people down? Look at your own relations, your own family and friends. I assume you dont always agree with them, that you have fights from time to time? There is no way some movement that wants to control all the people, could have survived.

Next to that: look at the conspiracies about 9-11 or chemtrails. It ever occured to you that these kind of things are not 'watertight'. That someone would open their mouth and go against it? That is what people usually do when they follow their consciousness. Why 'believe' in fables about holographic planes when you can use your common sense? and show me the first air-pilot who tells he is spreading chemtrails and wont continue with it. I can't find them.

Last, but not least: the entire idea of some NWO wanting to put people in FEMA-camps, or the idea of governments trying to create civil unrest by letting muslim or mexican immigrants come in is misguiding. When you use your common sense you will realise that some NWO or 'Powers that be' are far better off with people that have a job, a good family life, with not much unrest in their life.

I'm sorry, but that's just woeful (and willful) ignorance, to me. To presume people will always run their mouth is taking people's fanaticism about things for granted. I don't know a whole lot about the chemtrail stuff - I just know it would not surprise me in the least because I am well aware that the US government lies to its people incessantly. There are very NON-occult and NON-conspiracy-backed events that depict this. Julian Assange has been giving you reasons to be angry at the US government for a while now.

But of course, people just laugh it all off like nothing's about to happen. lol. Jaded, junk-food-fed americans.

Militant said:

It's worth noting that all the conservative religions viewed Prince as evil and satanic in the 80's. The things he did, talking about god on stage in the same verse as talking about fucking and saying all kinds of cuss words, the thing he did where "god's voice" was talking to him on stage, those sort of things are desensitized now BECAUSE of people like Prince, and later Marilyn Manson, but it was all highly sacrilegious in those days and of course Prince knew that and capitalized on it. There's only two explanations for a lot of what he did - that he was interested in the occult, or that he wanted people to think he was. And many people around him in those days will tell you it was definitely the former. The backmasking, imagery of the 1999 cover etc, is all good evidence pointing towards that.

You do have a point, with that 2nd Sentence....

Spinlight said:

Militant said:

Start with the 1999 cover. The placement of the eye. The way the "999" is placed so that it resembles "666" when flipped upside down. The way "PRINCE" upside down has been drawn, by Prince himself, to state "EVIL", with a flame next to it. Then get into the backmasking in songs. Like in The Time's "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody", when you reverse "We don't like new wave", and Prince/Morris/Jesse/Jam/Lewis/Jerome have specifically said the phrase in a distorted manner so that reversed, it says "here we come for you". There's similar backwards messages in a whole HOST of other songs. Prince was really into that stuff in those days. Many also interpret "Nikki" in Darling Nikki as being Satan.

That's just the beginning.

Prince's overzealous religious fanatacism in the past decade has been interpreted by many as him overcompensating trying to atone for his occult leanings in the early 80's.

We've discussed this many times here before, I'll pull up some old threads tomorrow since there was a lot of interesting things discussed. Unfortunately, the most knowledgeable poster regarding this topic, blackguitaristz, doesn't post anymore, which is a real shame.

It's worth noting that all the conservative religions viewed Prince as evil and satanic in the 80's. The things he did, talking about god on stage in the same verse as talking about fucking and saying all kinds of cuss words, the thing he did where "god's voice" was talking to him on stage, those sort of things are desensitized now BECAUSE of people like Prince, and later Marilyn Manson, but it was all highly sacrilegious in those days and of course Prince knew that and capitalized on it. There's only two explanations for a lot of what he did - that he was interested in the occult, or that he wanted people to think he was. And many people around him in those days will tell you it was definitely the former. The backmasking, imagery of the 1999 cover etc, is all good evidence pointing towards that.

I don't even know where to begin, but this post should've been kept inside your brain as opposed to actually written out on a forum. You make yourself look psychotic, like the Prince fans who obsess over "Black Muse" and such. I don't think you are a psycho, though, despite me not agreeing with most of what you write, ever. lol.

1999 looks like 666 upside down because 6 and 9 are the same icon presented at different angles. To say that somehow he placed 1999 on an album cover to resemble 666 when turned upside down is to say that he intended on having a cover on the album when he put a picture there.

Who interprets the Nikki in "Darling Nikki" as Satan? What? What does that even have to do with the Occult? What "Satan" are you talking about, exactly? lmao. Satanism =/= The Occult. Christian mythology =/= The Occult. If you don't know what Satanism is, don't speak like an authority on it. "Many interpret" - that would be flagged on even fucking Wikipedia as needing a citation. Who is many?

Religious fanaticism? Look, I get that Prince fans had a rude awakening when he decided to stop talking about lewd shit, but he doesn't speak about religion anymore than he used to. In fact, he may even speak about it less than on albums like Lovesexy and Purple Rain and Diamonds and Pearls, which all had anthemic religious songs ("Thunder", "Lovesexy", "Positivity", "Anna Stesia", "I Would Die 4 U", "Purple Rain", "Let's Go Crazy"). He isn't a fucking fanatic, though. Let's get real about this for a second.

You mention Prince and Manson in the same breath, but forget about 2 dozen artists in between the two. Manson arrived in 1994 and if you think Prince was the only standout example of shock rock until Manson came along, you've got another thing comin'. Not sure bout over across the pond, but here in the US, we've had tons of shock rockers and Prince is about as shocking as a heart monitor.

You mention "backmasking" like it's some sinister thing. This recording technique has been used for decades upon decades, well before Prince ever set foot in a recording studio and before he ever picked up a guitar. And I'm sorry, but "We don't like New Wave" sounding like "Here we come for you" doesn't even make sense as the vowel sounds don't match up. The only "oooh" sound in that sentence comes from the word "You" and "New", both at the end of those sentences. If it were backmasking, as you call it, the "ooh" sound would be reversed and appear at the beginning. Simple linguistics shit you're taught in grade school + a little logic and familiarity with English.

I wish people would think before they make retarded posts like this occult crap.

Spinlight...do u know how incredibly sexy u are when u write like that? your killing me. and I thought your picture was hot. wow.

Spinlight said:

I'm sorry, but that's just woeful (and willful) ignorance, to me. To presume people will always run their mouth is taking people's fanaticism about things for granted. I don't know a whole lot about the chemtrail stuff - I just know it would not surprise me in the least because I am well aware that the US government lies to its people incessantly. There are very NON-occult and NON-conspiracy-backed events that depict this. Julian Assange has been giving you reasons to be angry at the US government for a while now.

But of course, people just laugh it all off like nothing's about to happen. lol. Jaded, junk-food-fed americans.

Just as the meaning of "occult" has been twisted so has the meaning of "conspiracy". When the word is spoken here in America people here automatically assume that the subject matter is not true. America is the best place to engage in conspiracies because the people don't believe they exist.

swdee said:

I think the Lovesexy album strongly allures to the quija board with the very prominent emblems of the Alphabet and No & Yes.
Also the all-seeing Eye, which is on quite a few boards.

I don't know why this is but as it's meant to be a Godly spiritual album maybe he's refering to getting the information (words and answers) from God instead of the board?

i never thought about it like that, thanks. makes me think about the urim and thummim somehow.

muleFunk said:

Spinlight said:

I'm sorry, but that's just woeful (and willful) ignorance, to me. To presume people will always run their mouth is taking people's fanaticism about things for granted. I don't know a whole lot about the chemtrail stuff - I just know it would not surprise me in the least because I am well aware that the US government lies to its people incessantly. There are very NON-occult and NON-conspiracy-backed events that depict this. Julian Assange has been giving you reasons to be angry at the US government for a while now.

But of course, people just laugh it all off like nothing's about to happen. lol. Jaded, junk-food-fed americans.

Just as the meaning of "occult" has been twisted so has the meaning of "conspiracy". When the word is spoken here in America people here automatically assume that the subject matter is not true. America is the best place to engage in conspiracies because the people don't believe they exist.

Oh conspiracies exist allright, the thing is that they have always existed and so have secret societies. It's not new. But stating that the election was stolen in 2000 is a far cry from saying that Prince William is the anti-christ, for example.

Are there powerful men behind the scenes trying to use their power, money and influence to their own advantage? Of course there are...always has been, but to allege that they are really shape shifting extra-terrestrial lizards who demand a blood sacrifice is a whole nother matter.

Marrk said:

What about the time he was supposedly seen sat in a cemetery and bees were flying out of his mouth?

Now, see...this right here...

Tremolina said:

ladyleap2u said:

Seriously? You sound like a very bitter person or just immature. Again, you have proven my point exactly. Have a better day...and smile. No, I'm not a JW...Wow, really? --has nothing to do with the topic. No further communication is necessary since I'm probably responding to a child---thanks.

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Right run away flaming when you are confronted with spreading nonsense. Nah, that's not immature or childish. Call somebody bitter or a hater just because you don't know how to defend your own made up stories.

BACK UP your claims, especially when they are so sensationalist as yours, is in what mature people do. In fact, children and people with no sense of responsibility spread unfound crazy rumours about other people.

You really have issues. Run? From what? I didn't spread any nonsense and didn't make up any stories. You are really out there...possibly battling your own thoughts. Hmmn...peace...not running...just don't have time for your nonsense or bitterness.

Spinlight said:

I'm sorry, but that's just woeful (and willful) ignorance, to me. To presume people will always run their mouth is taking people's fanaticism about things for granted. I don't know a whole lot about the chemtrail stuff - I just know it would not surprise me in the least because I am well aware that the US government lies to its people incessantly. There are very NON-occult and NON-conspiracy-backed events that depict this. Julian Assange has been giving you reasons to be angry at the US government for a while now.

But of course, people just laugh it all off like nothing's about to happen. lol. Jaded, junk-food-fed americans.

1. Chemtrails are bullshit. http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027

2. How has Julian Assange made anyone angry at the US Government? So far it's been over-hyped obviousness. One example would be fine. Just one!

billymeade said:

Spinlight said:

I'm sorry, but that's just woeful (and willful) ignorance, to me. To presume people will always run their mouth is taking people's fanaticism about things for granted. I don't know a whole lot about the chemtrail stuff - I just know it would not surprise me in the least because I am well aware that the US government lies to its people incessantly. There are very NON-occult and NON-conspiracy-backed events that depict this. Julian Assange has been giving you reasons to be angry at the US government for a while now.

But of course, people just laugh it all off like nothing's about to happen. lol. Jaded, junk-food-fed americans.

1. Chemtrails are bullshit. http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027

2. How has Julian Assange made anyone angry at the US Government? So far it's been over-hyped obviousness. One example would be fine. Just one!

http://www.collateralmurder.com/

zaza said:

You are ridiculous. I've been watching your posts about Deluxe version and you are always changing your replies so you won't look silly. People were telling you this from the beginning and you were like "no, it will be released".

Bullshit. I've said the exact same thing every time. If you expect people to take you seriously, provide ONE example of me "changing my replies".

Unfortunately for you, I know damn well that you'd be unable to do that.

Militant said:

zaza said:

Just because I can't speak English as well as native speaker, that's your only advantage. People can search those threads where you "said it it's gonna be released", then Bart told you it's not gonna happen because it's Prince. The rest is all there.

Excuse me? Actually, I had no idea you weren't a native speaker. Your English is great. And if I had known, I wouldn't use it to try and have an advantage in an argument. That's not my style.

Look, I don't know how to say it any differently. Anyone who said it wouldn't be released was guessing. Sure, it's a safe guess based upon the amount of previous projects that Prince has talked about and ultimately never released. But there's no way that anybody knew for a FACT that it wasn't. The only evidence available, was the "Rich Friends" premiere and announcement, where the hosts said it was from 20TEN Deluxe, the Peach and Black Podcast where Prince talked about 20TEN Deluxe to the hosts, and the fact that I was told personally that work had been done for that album directly from the person that did it.

All of that is pretty solid evidence that the album exists and Prince did intend to release it. And those are all the things I've ever said. Those three points. From day one. I haven't changed the things I've said. But, it seems that Prince may have changed his mind. As he does. Like with the 7CD sample set, Roadhouse Garden, Crystal Ball II, the 3121 Movie, the Rainbow Children documentary filmed by Kevin Smith. All of those things exist in some state or form and all were intended to be released at some stage and then Prince decided against it.

I choose to be an optimist and believe Prince when he mentions upcoming projects he intends to release. Some people don't. And that's fine. But, at the end of the day, I take Prince's word for it when he talks about these things. It excites me as a fan. I understand that some people are cynical because of the amount of intended releases that never came out. Perhaps it's just a difference in character.

Well, I won't tell you I told you so, Militant.

Militant said:

I choose to be an optimist and believe Prince when he mentions upcoming projects he intends to release. Some people don't. And that's fine. But, at the end of the day, I take Prince's word for it when he talks about these things. It excites me as a fan. I understand that some people are cynical because of the amount of intended releases that never came out. Perhaps it's just a difference in character.

& I'm the same way Militant, if he sez something about an upcoming release I just look forward to it coming out, if it doesn't it doesn't ...

Militant said: