Spinlight said:

Who interprets the Nikki in "Darling Nikki" as Satan? What? What does that even have to do with the Occult? What "Satan" are you talking about, exactly? lmao. Satanism =/= The Occult. Christian mythology =/= The Occult. If you don't know what Satanism is, don't speak like an authority on it. "Many interpret" - that would be flagged on even fucking Wikipedia as needing a citation. Who is many?

This is from another website

I think that this song is an intentional jab at the Moral Majority. I don't feel that this song is about having sex with a hooker. In truth, I believe that Nikki is the Devil. Old Nick is one of Satan's nicknames. The singer signs on the dotted line to seal the contract on his soul. What he is selling it for is unknown - maybe just an amazing sexual experience? However, "my body will never be the same," makes me think that he sells his soul for some physical change or attribute, and that the sex is either a bonus to the actual transformation, or else a a metaphor for the change.

The use of the word "castle" indicates one of royalty (Satan being the leader of hell), and to tempt people, there is everything that money could buy.

His head is spinning, not knowing what he's in store for - this is a hallmark of the individual that undergoes a transformation.

Her love will kick your behind - she'll show no mercy --- could be attributes of Satan.

The backmasking at the end? Certainly a wink at religious zealots who claim that rock is evil, and that Satan hides messages in backwards lyrics. In this case, Prince laughs at them by telling them what they already believe - that The Lord is coming soon.

The word grind makes me think, though. Rather than being a euphemism for sex, I wonder if the word GRIND is using the definition "WORK" -- The Devil works His magic.

http://www.songmeanings.n...iew/92279/

Concerning Satanism: Satanic teachings tell you that you will get another kind of access to all kind of things if you turn them upside down. Thats one of the basic and essential rules in satanism - the upside down cross that you can see in so many Hollywood movies is an example of this.

One could argue that Prince himself gives you a hint to see the cover to "1999" in such a reversed way, since the words "and the Revolution" are designed as mirror writing. If you turn it upside down you see "666" followed by an upside down male organ, which now could be easily interpreted as an arrow that is pointing downwards. The "flames" (?) of the "P" now seem to burn the right way. And if you read it left to right, leaving the standout crescent moon alone, you get the message "evil"

But this is all pure speculation and just good fun... Dont take all this too seriously please

Oh if you want to have fun, check out this link here

http://www.illuminatusobs...-puns.html

[Edited 12/26/10 13:59pm]

Francis7 said:

So how did he dabble in the occult?

He's mentioned the akashic record and other esoteric things in songs. i just think he has an interest in a wide spectrum of spiritual things, hidden and lit.

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

Francis7 said:

So how did he dabble in the occult?

He's mentioned the akashic record and other esoteric things in songs. i just think he has an interest in a wide spectrum of spiritual things, hidden and lit.

The akashic records aren't an occult theme, though, unless you consider hinduism and astral projection to fall under "occult"....

But yes, his interest is pretty all-encompassing, it seems.

Spinlight said:

The akashic records aren't an occult theme, though, unless you consider hinduism and astral projection to fall under "occult"....

my apologies for miscategorizing -- i think of esoteric and occult as synonymous, and have perused some books that talked about both esoteric science and akashic records, and so many things, astral travelling, etc, so that's where i was coming from. would like to have a clearer definition of occult if u feel inclined... thanks!

RodeoSchro said:

x 4,249

OK, I guess I shouldn't question your posts, since you ARE the guy that promised 20Ten Deluxe was on its way.

So what's more likely? That Prince changed his mind, despite talking about 20TEN Deluxe to Peach And Black Podcast, and telling the French radio station that "Rich Friends" was from that album? Or that I was bullshitting everybody? Answer - it's the former. But go ahead, continue to make yourself look like a child by bringing up something that's completely off-topic.

Listen. Anthony Malzone told me personally that he designed additional artwork for "20TEN Deluxe" at Prince's request. This is the first time I've stated that, because honestly it doesn't fucking matter who told me, and it should be been enough when I stated the first 100 times that it was someone with a direct involvement in the album. I was just trying to throw a bone to fans who wanted to know what was going on.

Now it appears that Prince changed his mind, as he tends to do. Not my fault. Even recently on the NY radio interview he still said that he had "prepared an album" to go along with the shows. Perhaps that album has evolved into the "Welcome 2 America" project which includes the title track he performed the other day. Perhaps the album will still include things intended for 20TEN Deluxe, like "Rich Friends", etc. Perhaps not.

But 20TEN Deluxe WAS real, it WAS planned to come out, there WAS artwork and a tracklist. If that's not enough for you, then fine! But, it is enough for a lot of people, and THOSE people appreciated that I shared some information. Perhaps next time I just won't bother, thanks to the likes of you.

I'm done with the occult topic. It's not even my field of expertise, I'm an atheist. Truthfully I was paraphrasing a much larger discussion that anyone who's been here longer than 5 minutes would have seen a million times.

Neversin, this stuff may be "crap" to you, but it isn't to others. I suggest that you consider that your opinion is not fact before you go calling it that. Many people DO believe that Prince dabbled heavily in the occult. Now, that is a fact, that many people believe that. You don't. That's fine. But your opinion isn't any more valid than anyone elses. The only person that knows 100% of his intentions, is Prince.

Militant said:

RodeoSchro said:

x 4,249

OK, I guess I shouldn't question your posts, since you ARE the guy that promised 20Ten Deluxe was on its way.

So what's more likely? That Prince changed his mind, despite talking about 20TEN Deluxe to Peach And Black Podcast, and telling the French radio station that "Rich Friends" was from that album? Or that I was bullshitting everybody? Answer - it's the former. But go ahead, continue to make yourself look like a child by bringing up something that's completely off-topic.

Listen. Anthony Malzone told me personally that he designed additional artwork for "20TEN Deluxe" at Prince's request. This is the first time I've stated that, because honestly it doesn't fucking matter who told me, and it should be been enough when I stated the first 100 times that it was someone with a direct involvement in the album. I was just trying to throw a bone to fans who wanted to know what was going on.

Now it appears that Prince changed his mind, as he tends to do. Not my fault. Even recently on the NY radio interview he still said that he had "prepared an album" to go along with the shows. Perhaps that album has evolved into the "Welcome 2 America" project which includes the title track he performed the other day. Perhaps the album will still include things intended for 20TEN Deluxe, like "Rich Friends", etc. Perhaps not.

But 20TEN Deluxe WAS real, it WAS planned to come out, there WAS artwork and a tracklist. If that's not enough for you, then fine! But, it is enough for a lot of people, and THOSE people appreciated that I shared some information. Perhaps next time I just won't bother, thanks to the likes of you.

I'm done with the occult topic. It's not even my field of expertise, I'm an atheist. Truthfully I was paraphrasing a much larger discussion that anyone who's been here longer than 5 minutes would have seen a million times.

Neversin, this stuff may be "crap" to you, but it isn't to others. I suggest that you consider that your opinion is not fact before you go calling it that. Many people DO believe that Prince dabbled heavily in the occult. Now, that is a fact, that many people believe that. You don't. That's fine. But your opinion isn't any more valid than anyone elses. The only person that knows 100% of his intentions, is Prince.

O.K. forget the occult thing, spill more on the track list for 20Ten!!

Soulstar77A said:

Oh if you want to have fun, check out this link here

http://www.illuminatusobs...-puns.html

[Edited 12/23/10 15:35pm]

purr-pole rain???

I never really saw a 666 in the 1999, I think that is just coincidental, it's like if you turn down getting change if it equals 6.66, which by the way, I have seen. I did, however, notice that the one on 1999 looks like a big penis, or a small penis, well..... a penis. And that my friend..... has absolutely nothing so much to do with the occult, and more to do with just having a perverted mind, which is where Prince spends most of his focus.

muleFunk said:

I did not make myself clear and sorry for the comeback.

Some said that Larry Graham "churched" Prince up and put him into that JW line of thinking. I dunno but something happened to Prince to where his spiritual thinking is today. I think that the loss of his child and his "wife" in 3 years is enough to make anyone question reality.

I don't know anymore than the next person here but with all of this "Illuminatti" propaganda floating out on the internet people do need to know that the Prince of 2010 is not the Prince of 1984.

Why are you suggesting all this - and I really can't call it anything else- nonsense?

You are talking about nothing but a former co-worker, who told you by all means about the Dark One and that he got into Prince's life and took his child.

Now you even go and bring the Illuminati in. For all I can see you are not aware or you are just having fun spreading all kinds of lies that make Prince look like soem occult freak who lost his child to "The Dark One".

WTF again: Because a CO WORKER told you this?

Militant said:

OK, for those of you that want to say that I what I wrote is "bullshit" and go on the attack, please remember that these are opinions, just like everyone else's, and that there are many people more knowledgeable than I in this topic that have posted far more in depth stuff in the past.

I'm not saying it's true and I'm not saying it's false. I'm just saying that some of these things have been put forward by many people in the past. What I wrote is barely a fraction of it. Whether you believe it, or not, is besides the point. It's not my job to convince you of it. I'm an atheist myself, so all of it is fairy stories to me. That said, I very much respect the opinions of certain people who have posted very interesting stuff on this topic before. Ahh, I wish blackguitaristz was still around! He'd be posting the most informed stuff on this topic right now.

IOW you really have nothing to back up your post with.

Why do you claim then that Prince was into the occult?

funkyhead said:

O.K. forget the occult thing, spill more on the track list for 20Ten!!

I don't have it. I respected the fact that Anthony, as a friend, shared some information and so I didn't try and dig for more.

But, if you listen to the Peach & Black Podcast, there were extended versions of "Laydown" and "Lavaux" on there, and according to the French radio station, "Rich Friends" was also scheduled to be on 20TEN Deluxe.

Tremolina said:

Why do you claim then that Prince was into the occult?

Because many people consider that to be the case and we've discussed it to death about a million times on this forum over the past decade. I understand why some people believe it and I understand why others don't. But both opinions are valid. It's all about interpretation. I shouldn't have to preface every single sentence I post with "In my opinion.... " - that much should be obvious by the fact that it's my post.

Some people want to act like I stated it was an 100% actual fact. But the ONLY person that knows whether that's the case or not - is PRINCE. There's enough there for people to interpret it one way or the other. This whole thing started this time around because of the other thread where the poster appears to be writing a book on Prince centred around his religious and spiritual beliefs. I mentioned that if the book were to be balanced, it would look at his alleged occult leanings as well, since much has been written on the org about that. Some people want to dismiss that, but the fact remains that many people do believe he was into that stuff, and like I said - it's been discussed to death here over the years with many interesting things being written on the subject. But, I recognize that there's a lot of newbies here who may not have been around during those years.

In retrospect, I should have just copied and pasted entire posts from previous threads to avoid the personal attacks

A lot of attention Prince garnered around the time of "Purple Rain" and its imagery was within the context of the occult. Especially among folks in the black community.

His dress, his mixing sex and Scripture (seen by many Christians as him mocking God), and the heavy, joyless mood that accompanied his look and those of his followers back in the day -- all of these things contributed to the impression that Prince wasn't playing on Jesus' team, so to speak. And, in retrospect, knowing about a lot of the sacrificial, violent and messianic references his songs made back then, I can see that all the more. I'd say more on it, but probably to Z in an orgnote.

Oh please, these things r just mere coincidences and self-fulfilling prophecies. Prince was just interested in hidden messages and shortenings for fun. I'm sure nothing more.This is just some Number 23-type shit

The mere fact that he knew and wanted to respect and love God, but he also wanted to do things his way and live out his life the way he wanted to at the time (which included fun and free sex). He just knew that the two lifestlyes didn't mix (like oil & water), and tried to blend them somehow. But this only worked with his songs.

The difficulty of the self battle is obviously within LoveSexy.

But these, like other people's statements of belief, are mere opinions. Only Prince knows what he did.

Militant said:

funkyhead said:

O.K. forget the occult thing, spill more on the track list for 20Ten!!

I don't have it. I respected the fact that Anthony, as a friend, shared some information and so I didn't try and dig for more.

But, if you listen to the Peach & Black Podcast, there were extended versions of "Laydown" and "Lavaux" on there, and according to the French radio station, "Rich Friends" was also scheduled to be on 20TEN Deluxe.

Tremolina said:

Why do you claim then that Prince was into the occult?

Because many people consider that to be the case and we've discussed it to death about a million times on this forum over the past decade. I understand why some people believe it and I understand why others don't. But both opinions are valid. It's all about interpretation. I shouldn't have to preface every single sentence I post with "In my opinion.... " - that much should be obvious by the fact that it's my post.

Some people want to act like I stated it was an 100% actual fact. But the ONLY person that knows whether that's the case or not - is PRINCE. There's enough there for people to interpret it one way or the other. This whole thing started this time around because of the other thread where the poster appears to be writing a book on Prince centred around his religious and spiritual beliefs. I mentioned that if the book were to be balanced, it would look at his alleged occult leanings as well, since much has been written on the org about that. Some people want to dismiss that, but the fact remains that many people do believe he was into that stuff, and like I said - it's been discussed to death here over the years with many interesting things being written on the subject. But, I recognize that there's a lot of newbies here who may not have been around during those years.

In retrospect, I should have just copied and pasted entire posts from previous threads to avoid the personal attacks

Militant: I know you are not shocked that folks would blast you for your posts. It's a touchy subject that the average human being won't touch let along believe. If they're interested, they may do their own research. If not, peace. I don't know what Prince is into... I could speculate, but what for? His life is not mine. I dig his music...always have - always will. As long as I know I don't fall for the hype or the antics that may be reality...cool.

There are many famous people as well as regular folk that worship Satan and use the word God in a way to fool people. Some will believe; others won't. The Illuminati are powerful folks, but that's all I'm going to say about that.

I applaud you for your ability to speak on such a strong subject.

Peace

Tremolina said:

muleFunk said:

I did not make myself clear and sorry for the comeback.

Some said that Larry Graham "churched" Prince up and put him into that JW line of thinking. I dunno but something happened to Prince to where his spiritual thinking is today. I think that the loss of his child and his "wife" in 3 years is enough to make anyone question reality.

I don't know anymore than the next person here but with all of this "Illuminatti" propaganda floating out on the internet people do need to know that the Prince of 2010 is not the Prince of 1984.

Why are you suggesting all this - and I really can't call it anything else- nonsense?

You are talking about nothing but a former co-worker, who told you by all means about the Dark One and that he got into Prince's life and took his child.

Now you even go and bring the Illuminati in. For all I can see you are not aware or you are just having fun spreading all kinds of lies that make Prince look like soem occult freak who lost his child to "The Dark One".

WTF again: Because a CO WORKER told you this?

Hold up .

It was common in the 1980's to hear preachers and other religious leaders link Prince to the Devil. I am not saying that he was or was not but some people here in America and specifically in the Bible Belt Southern USA thought that he was.

Secondly there so called Illuminati youtube docs are appearing on the internet and Prince's name is being tossed about in those docs. That's why Illiumnati was mentioned period.

Third I don't have time to spread lies on the fucking internet. I was recanting a conversation that I had with a person who thought in 1996 that Prince was in leagues with the Devil. Not once did I say that I believed this person.

ladyleap2u said:

Militant said:

Because many people consider that to be the case and we've discussed it to death about a million times on this forum over the past decade. I understand why some people believe it and I understand why others don't. But both opinions are valid. It's all about interpretation. I shouldn't have to preface every single sentence I post with "In my opinion.... " - that much should be obvious by the fact that it's my post.

Some people want to act like I stated it was an 100% actual fact. But the ONLY person that knows whether that's the case or not - is PRINCE. There's enough there for people to interpret it one way or the other. This whole thing started this time around because of the other thread where the poster appears to be writing a book on Prince centred around his religious and spiritual beliefs. I mentioned that if the book were to be balanced, it would look at his alleged occult leanings as well, since much has been written on the org about that. Some people want to dismiss that, but the fact remains that many people do believe he was into that stuff, and like I said - it's been discussed to death here over the years with many interesting things being written on the subject. But, I recognize that there's a lot of newbies here who may not have been around during those years.

In retrospect, I should have just copied and pasted entire posts from previous threads to avoid the personal attacks

Militant: I know you are not shocked that folks would blast you for your posts. It's a touchy subject that the average human being won't touch let along believe. If they're interested, they may do their own research. If not, peace. I don't know what Prince is into... I could speculate, but what for? His life is not mine. I dig his music...always have - always will. As long as I know I don't fall for the hype or the antics that may be reality...cool.

There are many famous people as well as regular folk that worship Satan and use the word God in a way to fool people. Some will believe; others won't. The Illuminati are powerful folks, but that's all I'm going to say about that.

I applaud you for your ability to speak on such a strong subject.

Peace

Militant said:

funkyhead said:

O.K. forget the occult thing, spill more on the track list for 20Ten!!

I don't have it. I respected the fact that Anthony, as a friend, shared some information and so I didn't try and dig for more.

But, if you listen to the Peach & Black Podcast, there were extended versions of "Laydown" and "Lavaux" on there, and according to the French radio station, "Rich Friends" was also scheduled to be on 20TEN Deluxe.

Tremolina said:

Why do you claim then that Prince was into the occult?

Because many people consider that to be the case and we've discussed it to death about a million times on this forum over the past decade. I understand why some people believe it and I understand why others don't. But both opinions are valid. It's all about interpretation. I shouldn't have to preface every single sentence I post with "In my opinion.... " - that much should be obvious by the fact that it's my post.

Some people want to act like I stated it was an 100% actual fact. But the ONLY person that knows whether that's the case or not - is PRINCE. There's enough there for people to interpret it one way or the other. This whole thing started this time around because of the other thread where the poster appears to be writing a book on Prince centred around his religious and spiritual beliefs. I mentioned that if the book were to be balanced, it would look at his alleged occult leanings as well, since much has been written on the org about that. Some people want to dismiss that, but the fact remains that many people do believe he was into that stuff, and like I said - it's been discussed to death here over the years with many interesting things being written on the subject. But, I recognize that there's a lot of newbies here who may not have been around during those years.

In retrospect, I should have just copied and pasted entire posts from previous threads to avoid the personal attacks

It may indeed be true that Prince dabbled in the "occult" when he was young but he also always believed in "God" and referenced that many times as well as sexuality in his early songs. But if Prince is guilty of dabbling in the "occult" when young, than so am I. I have my own spiritual beliefs that I never strayed from but I certainly played around with Tarot cards, seances, "occult" experiences, alternative religious experiences, etc. when I was younger... That doesn't mean that I am in a cult now or brain-washed by conventional right-wing religious factions. In fact, it is just the opposite. Because I had that wealth of experience, I know now fully what I believe in and stand for. Without searching, I would not know. I would hope the same applies to Prince and his beliefs. BTW I am not nor have I ever met or heard of an "Illuminati" member! Stop reading Dan Brown novels!

What about the time he was supposedly seen sat in a cemetery and bees were flying out of his mouth?

I think the Lovesexy album strongly allures to the quija board with the very prominent emblems of the Alphabet and No & Yes.
Also the all-seeing Eye, which is on quite a few boards.

I don't know why this is but as it's meant to be a Godly spiritual album maybe he's refering to getting the information (words and answers) from God instead of the board?

I don't think I'm reading too much into it as those emblems are quite obvious.

[Edited 12/24/10 4:59am]

who the hell hasn't dabbled with the occult & pondered the meaning of life/dark forces/ stuck a few pins in a doll & screamed hateful shit? it's a primitive notion which prince more than likely explored at some point.

i doubt he took it seriously & had some harmless fun with it all.

didn't he reference tarot cards in utcm?

Militant said:

Tremolina said:

Why do you claim then that Prince was into the occult?

Because many people consider that to be the case and we've discussed it to death about a million times on this forum over the past decade. I understand why some people believe it and I understand why others don't. But both opinions are valid. It's all about interpretation. I shouldn't have to preface every single sentence I post with "In my opinion.... " - that much should be obvious by the fact that it's my post.

Yes you should, especially when you make grandiose claims like this one, but you have no facts whatsoever to back up your story. You have been suggesting a whole lot of facts that can only be backed up by what you believe "many people" thought back in the days. Mule funk uses some former co-worker to claim "The Dark One took his child".

The two of you seriously need some really good thinking before you post and either just say nothing, or at least ad an "In my opinion", or another simple way to make clear that it's not facts you are talking about, but just what you believe. That couldn't do you any harm as opposed to what you have done now (and before too btw). In fact it would have prevented much of this.

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[Edited 12/24/10 6:05am]

ladyleap2u said:

There are many famous people as well as regular folk that worship Satan and use the word God in a way to fool people. Some will believe; others won't. The Illuminati are powerful folks, but that's all I'm going to say about that.

Oh look another person who knows all about famous people, their devil worshipping and the Illuminati. While they are at it, they will also let you know that anybody that says they are talking shit, is a devil worshipper too. This is getting better every day. Are you also a JW?

FindingMyself said:

ladyleap2u said:

Militant: I know you are not shocked that folks would blast you for your posts. It's a touchy subject that the average human being won't touch let along believe. If they're interested, they may do their own research. If not, peace. I don't know what Prince is into... I could speculate, but what for? His life is not mine. I dig his music...always have - always will. As long as I know I don't fall for the hype or the antics that may be reality...cool.

There are many famous people as well as regular folk that worship Satan and use the word God in a way to fool people. Some will believe; others won't. The Illuminati are powerful folks, but that's all I'm going to say about that.

I applaud you for your ability to speak on such a strong subject.

Peace

Ya I am sure Jehova wil approve too findingmyself.

It's not like the Illuminati aren't mentioned in the NWT right? They are the devil themselves and very much alive and into 80's Prince music. uhuh!

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[Edited 12/24/10 5:49am]

swdee said:

Also the all-seeing Eye

Here is a question for you and for all those who instantly believe Prince was into the occult because it looked like it and somebody says so, but now not anymore, because now it doesn't look like it anymore, now he is JW.

Guess what, as a JW he still used symbols like his own soapstone symbol, numerology and the all seeing eye. So is he still into the occult and devil worshipping?

Not everything is what it seems.

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[Edited 12/24/10 6:07am]

muleFunk said:

muleFunk said:

It was common in the 1980's to hear preachers and other religious leaders link Prince to the Devil. I am not saying that he was or was not but some people here in America and specifically in the Bible Belt Southern USA thought that he was.

Well doesn't that say more than enough? It was mainly a bunch of Bible thumpers from the south claiming this crap. These people link gays, liberals, socialists, muslims and everything else that isn't to their liking to the devil as well, so we REALLY need to take this seriously now??

Secondly there so called Illuminati youtube docs are appearing on the internet and Prince's name is being tossed about in those docs. That's why Illiumnati was mentioned period.

So because next to some Bible tumpers, some idiots on the internet think its cool to put Prince into their Illuminati "documentaries" (please!) we just mention that this too was the case, right?

Third I don't have time to spread lies on the fucking internet. I was recanting a conversation that I had with a person who thought in 1996 that Prince was in leagues with the Devil. Not once did I say that I believed this person.

You didnt say that he thought he was in leagues with the Devil. You referenced a conversation in which your co worker CLAIMED his child was taken by "the Dark One" as some sort of pay off for his deal with the devil.

And not once did you mention to take that as bullshit, on the contrary even.

You know you are wrong to do that, just like Militant knows he is wrong to suggest as fact that Prince was into the occult, with no facts to back it up either.

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[Edited 12/24/10 6:01am]

RodeoSchro said:

Militant said:

Marrk said:

What about the time he was supposedly seen sat in a cemetery and bees were flying out of his mouth?

British red tops at their finest. Not to be out done, the National Enquirer knew that Prince was trying to turn Bubbles the chimp against MJ through the medium of ESP.

Like I said in the other thread, there are NO credible, first-hand accounts of Prince dabbling in the occult...only SPECULATION AND HERESAY.

Anyway...