I just read something that Militant wrote about Prince dabbling in the occult. I didn't know anything about that. I heard him mention in interviews from years ago that he believed in reincarnation but that's about the extent of it. So how did he dabble in the occult?

Francis7 said:

I just read something that Militant wrote about Prince dabbling in the occult. I didn't know anything about that. I heard him mention in interviews from years ago that he believed in reincarnation but that's about the extent of it. So how did he dabble in the occult?

He was in Australia met a couple cute girls who took him to there house. They sat him around a circle and came out nude wearing black robes. One was blonde the other a brunette. They did some strange movements with a silver knife...and Prince changed. Theres others here with us....

muskiediver said:

Francis7 said:

I just read something that Militant wrote about Prince dabbling in the occult. I didn't know anything about that. I heard him mention in interviews from years ago that he believed in reincarnation but that's about the extent of it. So how did he dabble in the occult?

He was in Australia met a couple cute girls who took him to there house. They sat him around a circle and came out nude wearing black robes. One was blonde the other a brunette. They did some strange movements with a silver knife...and Prince changed. Theres others here with us....

your like the comic poster! I dig it!

Start with the 1999 cover. The placement of the eye. The way the "999" is placed so that it resembles "666" when flipped upside down. The way "PRINCE" upside down has been drawn, by Prince himself, to state "EVIL", with a flame next to it. Then get into the backmasking in songs. Like in The Time's "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody", when you reverse "We don't like new wave", and Prince/Morris/Jesse/Jam/Lewis/Jerome have specifically said the phrase in a distorted manner so that reversed, it says "here we come for you". There's similar backwards messages in a whole HOST of other songs. Prince was really into that stuff in those days. Many also interpret "Nikki" in Darling Nikki as being Satan.

That's just the beginning.

Prince's overzealous religious fanatacism in the past decade has been interpreted by many as him overcompensating trying to atone for his occult leanings in the early 80's.

We've discussed this many times here before, I'll pull up some old threads tomorrow since there was a lot of interesting things discussed. Unfortunately, the most knowledgeable poster regarding this topic, blackguitaristz, doesn't post anymore, which is a real shame.

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Militant said:

Start with the 1999 cover. The placement of the eye. The way the "999" is placed so that it resembles "666" when flipped upside down. Then get into the backmasking in songs. Like in The Time's "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody", when you reverse "We don't like new wave", and Prince/Morris/Jesse/Jam/Lewis/Jerome have specifically said the phrase in a distorted manner so that reversed, it says "here we come for you". There's similar backwards messages in a whole HOST of other songs. Prince was really into that stuff in those days. Many also interpret "Nikki" in Darling Nikki as being Satan.

That's just the beginning.

Prince's overzealous religious fanatacism in the past decade has been interpreted by many as him overcompensating trying to atone for his occult leanings in the early 80's.

We've discussed this many times here before, I'll pull up some old threads tomorrow since there was a lot of interesting things discussed. Unfortunately, the most knowledgeable poster regarding this topic, blackguitaristz, doesn't post anymore, which is a real shame.

Wow! Interesting! Thanks. I had always thought he was really religious and was surprised to hear him say in an old interview that he and Mayte had known one another in past lives and that he did believe in reincarnation. He does seem to be "over the top" now- which I understand, my own thinking about certain things has changed drastically since when I was younger, but what you said about overcompensating surely makes sense!

It's worth noting that all the conservative religions viewed Prince as evil and satanic in the 80's. The things he did, talking about god on stage in the same verse as talking about fucking and saying all kinds of cuss words, the thing he did where "god's voice" was talking to him on stage, those sort of things are desensitized now BECAUSE of people like Prince, and later Marilyn Manson, but it was all highly sacrilegious in those days and of course Prince knew that and capitalized on it. There's only two explanations for a lot of what he did - that he was interested in the occult, or that he wanted people to think he was. And many people around him in those days will tell you it was definitely the former. The backmasking, imagery of the 1999 cover etc, is all good evidence pointing towards that.

Things aren't all ways what they appear 2 B when it comes 2 claiming their love 4 god. Their R those who speaks N codes, that R actually talking about their god satan.

Militant yoy are right ,blackguitaristz used to post some real interesting stuff on this subject.

Go to the Org search and see if you can pull up this stuff.

I had a co worker mention to me around the time that his child died about the "Dark One "claiming his child. This guy was not a religious zealot and never mentioned anything religious in nature in other conversations. Anyway when I asked him about what he meant he said that the Devil was getting a down payment form Prince.

After that you see a very different Prince. Some say that Larry Graham did it but it could be that he wanted to keep the Dark One away ?

Here, these might help

http://prince.org/msg/7/258975?&pg=1

http://prince.org/msg/7/280893?&pg=1

http://prince.org/msg/7/271903

http://prince.org/msg/7/262013?&pg=1

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BLOOD SACRAFICE!

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Militant said:

It's worth noting that all the conservative religions viewed Prince as evil and satanic in the 80's. The things he did, talking about god on stage in the same verse as talking about fucking and saying all kinds of cuss words, the thing he did where "god's voice" was talking to him on stage, those sort of things are desensitized now BECAUSE of people like Prince, and later Marilyn Manson, but it was all highly sacrilegious in those days and of course Prince knew that and capitalized on it. There's only two explanations for a lot of what he did - that he was interested in the occult, or that he wanted people to think he was. And many people around him in those days will tell you it was definitely the former.

Setting aside the lack of logic in your assertions, can you provide any quotations from "the many people around Prince in those days" who will tell you that Prince did the things you have described because Prince was interested in the occult?

I dug blackguitaritz's posts about this, and agree Darlin' Nikki can be read in this way (female as the tempter is a helluvah Christian motif obviously). But, when all is said and done, I think you're giving Prince too much credit and confusing religious guilt with something more leftfield.

Of course, all this means is that he has expressed interest in supernatural themes and elements. Remove the negative connotation and misconceptions that surround this topic, and you'll realize that it's simply no big deal. If you discuss anything religious you're dealing with occult themes, but the media and society do an excellent job at painting these subjects as black and white, good and evil...

So what?

Francis7 said:

I just read something that Militant wrote about Prince dabbling in the occult. I didn't know anything about that. I heard him mention in interviews from years ago that he believed in reincarnation but that's about the extent of it. So how did he dabble in the occult?

troppa topa alla fine annoia............( 2 much pussy it's boring in the end....)

Nah, Prince is smart. He luvs to tease. Gemini inner conflict, male female etc.. Controversy is money baby. The cool part is when you look past that stuff the music is funky denamofo.

Militant said:

It's worth noting that all the conservative religions viewed Prince as evil and satanic in the 80's. The things he did, talking about god on stage in the same verse as talking about fucking and saying all kinds of cuss words, the thing he did where "god's voice" was talking to him on stage, those sort of things are desensitized now BECAUSE of people like Prince, and later Marilyn Manson, but it was all highly sacrilegious in those days and of course Prince knew that and capitalized on it. There's only two explanations for a lot of what he did - that he was interested in the occult, or that he wanted people to think he was. And many people around him in those days will tell you it was definitely the former. The backmasking, imagery of the 1999 cover etc, is all good evidence pointing towards that.

And who are those "many people" at the time that pointed out he was into "the occult"? You coin those terms a lot, but back them up with nothing but the opinions of a bunch of religious conservatives and fanatics. Yes, Prince did a lot of "shocking" things in those people's eyes in those days. Hell he danced around in nothing more than a thong and high heels at the time and Tipper Gore was so offended by Darling Nikki, that she made sure Parental Advisory stickers were put on records with explicit content. Big deal.

What's the point really? That Prince was simply into shocking people to get attention, sell a lot of records and make his listeners think, or that he was really into the occult? Where is the proof of the latter? That some weirdo religious conservatives view backmasking and symbolism in music as occult, just because they don't like the music, the artist or its message? That you can see 666 in 999 upside down? (like you always canand which is not an occult thing) That you can TRY and see "evil" in the way he wrote Prince reversed etc. and which is not occult either? Those things are more part of a vivid imagination than any proof of any occult things, let alone that Prince was actually into the occult.

Really.

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muleFunk said:

I had a co worker mention to me around the time that his child died about the "Dark One "claiming his child. This guy was not a religious zealot and never mentioned anything religious in nature in other conversations. Anyway when I asked him about what he meant he said that the Devil was getting a down payment form Prince.

So some co-worker of yours, one day told you a totally unsubstantiated, dumbass fucked up story about the death of his child and you figure you just throw it out there like it has some sort of value?

Geez... why don't you think before you post bullshit

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Tremolina said:

muleFunk said:

I had a co worker mention to me around the time that his child died about the "Dark One "claiming his child. This guy was not a religious zealot and never mentioned anything religious in nature in other conversations. Anyway when I asked him about what he meant he said that the Devil was getting a down payment form Prince.

So some co-worker of yours, one day told you a totally unsubstantiated, dumbass fucked up story about the death of his child and you figure you just throw it out there like it has some sort of value?

Geez... why don't you think before you post bullshit

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Why don't you think before posting bullshit about bullshit?

Because this is bullshit and recognized as bullshit by me.

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muleFunk said:

Tremolina said:

So some co-worker of yours, one day told you a totally unsubstantiated, dumbass fucked up story about the death of his child and you figure you just throw it out there like it has some sort of value?

Geez... why don't you think before you post bullshit

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Why don't you think before posting bullshit about bullshit?

Because this is bullshit and recognized as bullshit by me.

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Dude you said: Some say that Larry Graham did it but it could be that he wanted to keep the Dark One away?

Are you out of your mind?

Militant said:

Start with the 1999 cover. The placement of the eye. The way the "999" is placed so that it resembles "666" when flipped upside down. The way "PRINCE" upside down has been drawn, by Prince himself, to state "EVIL", with a flame next to it. Then get into the backmasking in songs. Like in The Time's "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody", when you reverse "We don't like new wave", and Prince/Morris/Jesse/Jam/Lewis/Jerome have specifically said the phrase in a distorted manner so that reversed, it says "here we come for you". There's similar backwards messages in a whole HOST of other songs. Prince was really into that stuff in those days. Many also interpret "Nikki" in Darling Nikki as being Satan.

That's just the beginning.

Prince's overzealous religious fanatacism in the past decade has been interpreted by many as him overcompensating trying to atone for his occult leanings in the early 80's.

We've discussed this many times here before, I'll pull up some old threads tomorrow since there was a lot of interesting things discussed. Unfortunately, the most knowledgeable poster regarding this topic, blackguitaristz, doesn't post anymore, which is a real shame.

[Edited 12/22/10 21:22pm]

Hopefully this is his pass

Francis7 said:

I just read something that Militant wrote about Prince dabbling in the occult. I didn't know anything about that. I heard him mention in interviews from years ago that he believed in reincarnation but that's about the extent of it. So how did he dabble in the occult?

I did not make myself clear and sorry for the comeback.

Some said that Larry Graham "churched" Prince up and put him into that JW line of thinking. I dunno but something happened to Prince to where his spiritual thinking is today. I think that the loss of his child and his "wife" in 3 years is enough to make anyone question reality.

I don't know anymore than the next person here but with all of this "Illuminatti" propaganda floating out on the internet people do need to know that the Prince of 2010 is not the Prince of 1984.

OK, for those of you that want to say that I what I wrote is "bullshit" and go on the attack, please remember that these are opinions, just like everyone else's, and that there are many people more knowledgeable than I in this topic that have posted far more in depth stuff in the past.

I'm not saying it's true and I'm not saying it's false. I'm just saying that some of these things have been put forward by many people in the past. What I wrote is barely a fraction of it. Whether you believe it, or not, is besides the point. It's not my job to convince you of it. I'm an atheist myself, so all of it is fairy stories to me. That said, I very much respect the opinions of certain people who have posted very interesting stuff on this topic before. Ahh, I wish blackguitaristz was still around! He'd be posting the most informed stuff on this topic right now.

Militant I agree and blackguitaristz did post some real good info on the subject.

I prefer Prince and the Revolution over Prince and the Occult.

Militant said:

Start with the 1999 cover. The placement of the eye. The way the "999" is placed so that it resembles "666" when flipped upside down. The way "PRINCE" upside down has been drawn, by Prince himself, to state "EVIL", with a flame next to it. Then get into the backmasking in songs. Like in The Time's "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody", when you reverse "We don't like new wave", and Prince/Morris/Jesse/Jam/Lewis/Jerome have specifically said the phrase in a distorted manner so that reversed, it says "here we come for you". There's similar backwards messages in a whole HOST of other songs. Prince was really into that stuff in those days. Many also interpret "Nikki" in Darling Nikki as being Satan.

That's just the beginning.

Prince's overzealous religious fanatacism in the past decade has been interpreted by many as him overcompensating trying to atone for his occult leanings in the early 80's.

We've discussed this many times here before, I'll pull up some old threads tomorrow since there was a lot of interesting things discussed. Unfortunately, the most knowledgeable poster regarding this topic, blackguitaristz, doesn't post anymore, which is a real shame.

It's worth noting that all the conservative religions viewed Prince as evil and satanic in the 80's. The things he did, talking about god on stage in the same verse as talking about fucking and saying all kinds of cuss words, the thing he did where "god's voice" was talking to him on stage, those sort of things are desensitized now BECAUSE of people like Prince, and later Marilyn Manson, but it was all highly sacrilegious in those days and of course Prince knew that and capitalized on it. There's only two explanations for a lot of what he did - that he was interested in the occult, or that he wanted people to think he was. And many people around him in those days will tell you it was definitely the former. The backmasking, imagery of the 1999 cover etc, is all good evidence pointing towards that.

I don't even know where to begin, but this post should've been kept inside your brain as opposed to actually written out on a forum. You make yourself look psychotic, like the Prince fans who obsess over "Black Muse" and such. I don't think you are a psycho, though, despite me not agreeing with most of what you write, ever. lol.

1999 looks like 666 upside down because 6 and 9 are the same icon presented at different angles. To say that somehow he placed 1999 on an album cover to resemble 666 when turned upside down is to say that he intended on having a cover on the album when he put a picture there.

Who interprets the Nikki in "Darling Nikki" as Satan? What? What does that even have to do with the Occult? What "Satan" are you talking about, exactly? lmao. Satanism =/= The Occult. Christian mythology =/= The Occult. If you don't know what Satanism is, don't speak like an authority on it. "Many interpret" - that would be flagged on even fucking Wikipedia as needing a citation. Who is many?

Religious fanaticism? Look, I get that Prince fans had a rude awakening when he decided to stop talking about lewd shit, but he doesn't speak about religion anymore than he used to. In fact, he may even speak about it less than on albums like Lovesexy and Purple Rain and Diamonds and Pearls, which all had anthemic religious songs ("Thunder", "Lovesexy", "Positivity", "Anna Stesia", "I Would Die 4 U", "Purple Rain", "Let's Go Crazy"). He isn't a fucking fanatic, though. Let's get real about this for a second.

You mention Prince and Manson in the same breath, but forget about 2 dozen artists in between the two. Manson arrived in 1994 and if you think Prince was the only standout example of shock rock until Manson came along, you've got another thing comin'. Not sure bout over across the pond, but here in the US, we've had tons of shock rockers and Prince is about as shocking as a heart monitor.

You mention "backmasking" like it's some sinister thing. This recording technique has been used for decades upon decades, well before Prince ever set foot in a recording studio and before he ever picked up a guitar. And I'm sorry, but "We don't like New Wave" sounding like "Here we come for you" doesn't even make sense as the vowel sounds don't match up. The only "oooh" sound in that sentence comes from the word "You" and "New", both at the end of those sentences. If it were backmasking, as you call it, the "ooh" sound would be reversed and appear at the beginning. Simple linguistics shit you're taught in grade school + a little logic and familiarity with English.

I wish people would think before they make retarded posts like this occult crap.

Spinlight said:

Militant said:

Start with the 1999 cover. The placement of the eye. The way the "999" is placed so that it resembles "666" when flipped upside down. The way "PRINCE" upside down has been drawn, by Prince himself, to state "EVIL", with a flame next to it. Then get into the backmasking in songs. Like in The Time's "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody", when you reverse "We don't like new wave", and Prince/Morris/Jesse/Jam/Lewis/Jerome have specifically said the phrase in a distorted manner so that reversed, it says "here we come for you". There's similar backwards messages in a whole HOST of other songs. Prince was really into that stuff in those days. Many also interpret "Nikki" in Darling Nikki as being Satan.

That's just the beginning.

Prince's overzealous religious fanaticism in the past decade has been interpreted by many as him overcompensating trying to atone for his occult leanings in the early 80's.

We've discussed this many times here before, I'll pull up some old threads tomorrow since there was a lot of interesting things discussed. Unfortunately, the most knowledgeable poster regarding this topic, blackguitaristz, doesn't post anymore, which is a real shame.

It's worth noting that all the conservative religions viewed Prince as evil and satanic in the 80's. The things he did, talking about god on stage in the same verse as talking about fucking and saying all kinds of cuss words, the thing he did where "god's voice" was talking to him on stage, those sort of things are desensitized now BECAUSE of people like Prince, and later Marilyn Manson, but it was all highly sacrilegious in those days and of course Prince knew that and capitalized on it. There's only two explanations for a lot of what he did - that he was interested in the occult, or that he wanted people to think he was. And many people around him in those days will tell you it was definitely the former. The back-masking, imagery of the 1999 cover etc, is all good evidence pointing towards that.

I don't even know where to begin, but this post should've been kept inside your brain as opposed to actually written out on a forum. You make yourself look psychotic, like the Prince fans who obsess over "Black Muse" and such. I don't think you are a psycho, though, despite me not agreeing with most of what you write, ever. lol.

1999 looks like 666 upside down because 6 and 9 are the same icon presented at different angles. To say that somehow he placed 1999 on an album cover to resemble 666 when turned upside down is to say that he intended on having a cover on the album when he put a picture there.

Who interprets the Nikki in "Darling Nikki" as Satan? What? What does that even have to do with the Occult? What "Satan" are you talking about, exactly? lmao. Satanism =/= The Occult. Christian mythology =/= The Occult. If you don't know what Satanism is, don't speak like an authority on it. "Many interpret" - that would be flagged on even fucking Wikipedia as needing a citation. Who is many?

Religious fanaticism? Look, I get that Prince fans had a rude awakening when he decided to stop talking about lewd shit, but he doesn't speak about religion anymore than he used to. In fact, he may even speak about it less than on albums like Lovesexy and Purple Rain and Diamonds and Pearls, which all had anthemic religious songs ("Thunder", "Lovesexy", "Positivity", "Anna Stesia", "I Would Die 4 U", "Purple Rain", "Let's Go Crazy"). He isn't a fucking fanatic, though. Let's get real about this for a second.

You mention Prince and Manson in the same breath, but forget about 2 dozen artists in between the two. Manson arrived in 1994 and if you think Prince was the only standout example of shock rock until Manson came along, you've got another thing comin'. Not sure bout over across the pond, but here in the US, we've had tons of shock rockers and Prince is about as shocking as a heart monitor.

You mention "backmasking" like it's some sinister thing. This recording technique has been used for decades upon decades, well before Prince ever set foot in a recording studio and before he ever picked up a guitar. And I'm sorry, but "We don't like New Wave" sounding like "Here we come for you" doesn't even make sense as the vowel sounds don't match up. The only "oooh" sound in that sentence comes from the word "You" and "New", both at the end of those sentences. If it were backmasking, as you call it, the "ooh" sound would be reversed and appear at the beginning. Simple linguistics shit you're taught in grade school + a little logic and familiarity with English.

I wish people would think before they make retarded posts like this occult crap.

Mmm ... Let's not be too hasty on this Spinlight. Everyone is entitled to their point of view, they just better be ready if someone steps up in the tread and start clownin' them. LoL

I on the other hand do not believe P has so-called 'dabbled' in the occult past believing in some Egyptology, Numerology and Eastern Schools of thought. We know P's put all that behind him since becoming a JW. I do remember reading in Rolling Stone that he was speaking with the interviewer and she was a girl who did not believe in GOD but, in evolution and I read (or heard) that he stopped speaking with her and left. He was in the NY Museum of Natural History, I believe. [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif[/img:$uid]

PurpleLove7 said:

Spinlight said:

I don't even know where to begin, but this post should've been kept inside your brain as opposed to actually written out on a forum. You make yourself look psychotic, like the Prince fans who obsess over "Black Muse" and such. I don't think you are a psycho, though, despite me not agreeing with most of what you write, ever. lol.

1999 looks like 666 upside down because 6 and 9 are the same icon presented at different angles. To say that somehow he placed 1999 on an album cover to resemble 666 when turned upside down is to say that he intended on having a cover on the album when he put a picture there.

Who interprets the Nikki in "Darling Nikki" as Satan? What? What does that even have to do with the Occult? What "Satan" are you talking about, exactly? lmao. Satanism =/= The Occult. Christian mythology =/= The Occult. If you don't know what Satanism is, don't speak like an authority on it. "Many interpret" - that would be flagged on even fucking Wikipedia as needing a citation. Who is many?

Religious fanaticism? Look, I get that Prince fans had a rude awakening when he decided to stop talking about lewd shit, but he doesn't speak about religion anymore than he used to. In fact, he may even speak about it less than on albums like Lovesexy and Purple Rain and Diamonds and Pearls, which all had anthemic religious songs ("Thunder", "Lovesexy", "Positivity", "Anna Stesia", "I Would Die 4 U", "Purple Rain", "Let's Go Crazy"). He isn't a fucking fanatic, though. Let's get real about this for a second.

You mention Prince and Manson in the same breath, but forget about 2 dozen artists in between the two. Manson arrived in 1994 and if you think Prince was the only standout example of shock rock until Manson came along, you've got another thing comin'. Not sure bout over across the pond, but here in the US, we've had tons of shock rockers and Prince is about as shocking as a heart monitor.

You mention "backmasking" like it's some sinister thing. This recording technique has been used for decades upon decades, well before Prince ever set foot in a recording studio and before he ever picked up a guitar. And I'm sorry, but "We don't like New Wave" sounding like "Here we come for you" doesn't even make sense as the vowel sounds don't match up. The only "oooh" sound in that sentence comes from the word "You" and "New", both at the end of those sentences. If it were backmasking, as you call it, the "ooh" sound would be reversed and appear at the beginning. Simple linguistics shit you're taught in grade school + a little logic and familiarity with English.

I wish people would think before they make retarded posts like this occult crap.

Mmm ... Let's not be too hasty on this Spinlight. Everyone is entitled to their point of view, they just better be ready if someone steps up in the tread and start clownin' them. LoL

I on the other hand do not believe P has so-called 'dabbled' in the occult past believing in some Egyptology, Numerology and Eastern Schools of thought. We know P's put all that behind him since becoming a JW. I do remember reading in Rolling Stone that he was speaking with the interviewer and she was a girl who did not believe in GOD but, in evolution and I read (or heard) that he stopped speaking with her and left. He was in the NY Museum of Natural History, I believe. [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif[/img:$uid]

Yeah, he did have that moment with Egyptology and other eastern ideas. I'm really surprised he dropped it so quickly in favor of pure JW beliefs. JW strikes me much like Rastafarianism as it involves quite a bit of supersition and their own rituals which seem to be completely irrelevant to the core belief system the creators of said faiths borrowed from (Westernized Christianity).

I'm all for open views and shit, truly. However, you've got to come up with something better than "1999 looks like 666(1) upside down". I mean, good lord.