Interesting exerpt from a Rolling Stone magazine Issue #1103 article I stumbled upon from Craig Klamman Co-Chair and CEO of Atlantic Records. He goes on to say:

And even the most independent of artists need professional guidance, he adds "Even Prince- talk about a guy who needs an editor. He's a genius, but if you go through the last albums that he's done on his own and maybe the albums when he was on Warner Bros, and you tell me, if you could only own five which five would you want to own?"

OK. Klamman put your money where your mouth is and back up your statement. After all their is a go between connection with Prince and Klamman and its Atlantic artist Janelle Monae.

Spread the word to Klamman and Atlantic COO Julie Greenwald!!!!!!

He's right. Prince needs an editor. And a business manager.

errant said:

He's right. Prince needs an editor. And a business manager.

He' has the org.... we edit, rate and know his music better than any record company.....so no need for them.....

and we vote with cash.....

Dreamer2 said:

errant said:

He's right. Prince needs an editor. And a business manager.

He' has the org.... we edit, rate and know his music better than any record company.....so no need for them.....

and we vote with cash.....

LOL is right, with us as guidance the world will have to settle for just any old garbage he wants to pump out.

Prince might need an critic, but not a record label. I think Prince’s early 1990s albums would be a lot better if Warner hadn’t been pushing him to try and stay on top by venturing into hip-hop, which he was never especially good at. If Prince was on a major label today they’d be pestering him to give guest spots to Kanye West, Jay-Z, and Rhianna. And that would NOT work out.

Dreamer2 said:

errant said:

He's right. Prince needs an editor. And a business manager.

He' has the org.... we edit, rate and know his music better than any record company.....so no need for them.....

and we vote with cash.....

Looks like you have been watching Hail Hail Rock n Roll a lot.

Be careful what you wish for...whatever happened to Berry Park????

jpnyc said:

Prince might need an critic, but not a record label. I think Prince’s early 1990s albums would be a lot better if Warner hadn’t been pushing him to try and stay on top by venturing into hip-hop, which he was never especially good at. If Prince was on a major label today they’d be pestering him to give guest spots to Kanye West, Jay-Z, and Rhianna. And that would NOT work out.

Don't you want to hear what Nicki Minaj could do if she and Prince remade 'Nasty Girl'?

Seriously any record label today would be pushing Prince to do unnecessary collaborations with lame rappers or hook singers. That mightbe okay for a Grammy show (you hear me Beyonce) but I don't want a CD with guest spots by Drake or B.O.B..

jpnyc said:

Prince might need an critic, but not a record label. I think Prince’s early 1990s albums would be a lot better if Warner hadn’t been pushing him to try and stay on top by venturing into hip-hop, which he was never especially good at. If Prince was on a major label today they’d be pestering him to give guest spots to Kanye West, Jay-Z, and Rhianna. And that would NOT work out.

I dunno. There's a thread about Rosie around here somewhere. Apparently WB were not that into the Game Boyz and wished he'd ditch them.

hmm funny. If I could only say what I really want to say, then again I might get fired.

LOVELYSKYE said:

Interesting exerpt from a Rolling Stone magazine Issue #1103 article I stumbled upon from Craig Klamman Co-Chair and CEO of Atlantic Records. He goes on to say:

And even the most independent of artists need professional guidance, he adds "Even Prince- talk about a guy who needs an editor. He's a genius, but if you go through the last albums that he's done on his own and maybe the albums when he was on Warner Bros, and you tell me, if you could only own five which five would you want to own?"

OK. Klamman put your money where your mouth is and back up your statement. After all their is a go between connection with Prince and Klamman and its Atlantic artist Janelle Monae.

Spread the word to Klamman and Atlantic COO Julie Greenwald!!!!!!

lovelyskye, what is the month on the issue you are referring to? when was it published?

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

every single, be it the 1st from an album, or the 5th, should have had a b-side.

Dreamer2 said:

errant said:

He's right. Prince needs an editor. And a business manager.

He' has the org.... we edit, rate and know his music better than any record company.....so no need for them.....

and we vote with cash.....

What makes any of you think that P does not have a business manager, lawyer or other employees. I do not believe for one minute that is doing everything on his own now a days. He is just not working with a record label and that is going to burn the ass of some of the suits in a dying music industry which is still trying to use a tired model that is not working that well.

Plenty of shitty music is being put out by the legitmate music industry and the track record is not much better than P's right now.

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

Where is George Michael today ?

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

Where is George Michael today ?

Sitting on his millions, never feeling the need to chuck out more material. And probably resting from near two years travelling the world with his critically acclaimed tour.

What has that got to do with he old views of Prince?

WisdomNLove said:

LOVELYSKYE said:

Interesting exerpt from a Rolling Stone magazine Issue #1103 article I stumbled upon from Craig Klamman Co-Chair and CEO of Atlantic Records. He goes on to say:

And even the most independent of artists need professional guidance, he adds "Even Prince- talk about a guy who needs an editor. He's a genius, but if you go through the last albums that he's done on his own and maybe the albums when he was on Warner Bros, and you tell me, if you could only own five which five would you want to own?"

OK. Klamman put your money where your mouth is and back up your statement. After all their is a go between connection with Prince and Klamman and its Atlantic artist Janelle Monae.

Spread the word to Klamman and Atlantic COO Julie Greenwald!!!!!!

lovelyskye, what is the month on the issue you are referring to? when was it published?

Its April 29,2010 with Black Eyed Peas on cover. You can find the article starting on page 82 and its titled "Because Atlantic Records has entered the 21st Century". The Prince quote is towards the end on page 84.

laurarichardson said:

Dreamer2 said:

He' has the org.... we edit, rate and know his music better than any record company.....so no need for them.....

and we vote with cash.....

What makes any of you think that P does not have a business manager, lawyer or other employees. I do not believe for one minute that is doing everything on his own now a days. He is just not working with a record label and that is going to burn the ass of some of the suits in a dying music industry which is still trying to use a tired model that is not working that well.

Plenty of shitty music is being put out by the legitmate music industry and the track record is not much better than P's right now.

Klamman and Greenwald working with Prince. It would be one of the most exciting releases from Prince in years. Hmmmm.. Maybe the question should be....Is Prince up to the challenge as well????

SquirrelMeat said:

laurarichardson said:

Where is George Michael today ?

Sitting on his millions, never feeling the need to chuck out more material. And probably resting from near two years travelling the world with his critically acclaimed tour.

What has that got to do with he old views of Prince?

The last I heard he was off to prison but you spin the story the way you want.

George bitched at his record company and never had a hit record in the U.S. again. P managed to move some CDs in the U.S after his break with WB and even when he was with WB he had filler cuts on his CDs which were sometimes overlong. I do not see how he is doing anything different with his music being independent. After all WB never wanted WDC to even be on PR and they hated Kiss and fucked up the marketing of Sign Of The Times because they did not want to push the RnB cuts.

Sometimes P was right and sometimes he was wrong in the end I just do not think that George Michael or this ass clown from Atlantic are doing anything better.

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

George Michael believed Prince's biggest problem was the inability to self edit hit output. He felt he was a genius, but he drowned out the greatness with mediocre filler, simply because he wanted to get everything out.

Where is George Michael today ?

Ha Ha thats a good one! If he is not in some public loo's sucking off some rent boy U will find him drink/drug driving or maybe even in PRISON! Ye good one, Prince take the advice of this arsehole I think NOT!

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Sitting on his millions, never feeling the need to chuck out more material. And probably resting from near two years travelling the world with his critically acclaimed tour.

What has that got to do with he old views of Prince?

The last I heard he was off to prison but you spin the story the way you want.

George bitched at his record company and never had a hit record in the U.S. again. P managed to move some CDs in the U.S after his break with WB and even when he was with WB he had filler cuts on his CDs which were sometimes overlong. I do not see how he is doing anything different with his music being independent. After all WB never wanted WDC to even be on PR and they hated Kiss and fucked up the marketing of Sign Of The Times because they did not want to push the RnB cuts.

Sometimes P was right and sometimes he was wrong in the end I just do not think that George Michael or this ass clown from Atlantic are doing anything better.

I see you are watching it from the "America is the world" point of view.

Regardless of of love/hate for GM, all his released material has sold millions, even in the US he has sold more than P.

But that doesn't matter, all I'm saying is that GM made a good point that P needs editting. A lot of artists agree, and so do fans.

I think most fans would agree that P is his own worst enemy when it comes to career choices.

LOVELYSKYE said:

laurarichardson said:

What makes any of you think that P does not have a business manager, lawyer or other employees. I do not believe for one minute that is doing everything on his own now a days. He is just not working with a record label and that is going to burn the ass of some of the suits in a dying music industry which is still trying to use a tired model that is not working that well.

Plenty of shitty music is being put out by the legitmate music industry and the track record is not much better than P's right now.

Klamman and Greenwald working with Prince. It would be one of the most exciting releases from Prince in years. Hmmmm.. Maybe the question should be....Is Prince up to the challenge as well????

pretty silly notion, any record company would be threaten by an artist 1) who doesnt need one 2) who can put out music FOR FREE and still maintain an increasing bank account

imagine 2011 Prince signing a 360 deal? LMFAO *dead*

[Edited 1/30/11 18:13pm]

[Edited 1/30/11 18:23pm]

WisdomNLove said:

LOVELYSKYE said:

Klamman and Greenwald working with Prince. It would be one of the most exciting releases from Prince in years. Hmmmm.. Maybe the question should be....Is Prince up to the challenge as well????

zzzzzzz, pretty silly notion, atlantic wouldnt even know the 1st way to market Prince, any record company would be threaten by an artist 1) who doesnt need one 2) who can put out music FOR FREE and still maintain an increasing bank account

imagine 2011 Prince signing a 360 deal? LMFAO *dead*

[Edited 1/30/11 18:13pm]

Um, most artists can and do afford a lifestyle like that given most don't make money off their records.

Spinlight said:

WisdomNLove said:

zzzzzzz, pretty silly notion, atlantic wouldnt even know the 1st way to market Prince, any record company would be threaten by an artist 1) who doesnt need one 2) who can put out music FOR FREE and still maintain an increasing bank account

imagine 2011 Prince signing a 360 deal? LMFAO *dead*

[Edited 1/30/11 18:13pm]

Um, most artists can and do afford a lifestyle like that given most don't make money off their records.

not on prince's level whatsoever however you helped prove my point, meaning you can be successful without a label

WisdomNLove said:

Spinlight said:

Um, most artists can and do afford a lifestyle like that given most don't make money off their records.

not on prince's level whatsoever however you helped prove my point, meaning you can be successful without a label

the problem with Prince's current model for distribution is that, yes, it does get him a bunch of money up front from Target, or the Daily Mirror, or the Mail or whatever newspaper or niche distributor he can swindle into one of these deals. but it won't be long before they all wise up and realize they've got a mountain of unsold discs they have to move for $5 or less after Prince has stopped promoting the release 2 days after it hits the shelves.

and he also has to take into account whether he wants his music actually heard or if he's only interested in the big bucks up front. he's marginalizing his music and devaluing his own career by seeking out ever more obscure and convoluted means of getting his music to the public.

errant said:

WisdomNLove said:

not on prince's level whatsoever however you helped prove my point, meaning you can be successful without a label

the problem with Prince's current model for distribution is that, yes, it does get him a bunch of money up front from Target, or the Daily Mirror, or the Mail or whatever newspaper or niche distributor he can swindle into one of these deals. but it won't be long before they all wise up and realize they've got a mountain of unsold discs they have to move for $5 or less after Prince has stopped promoting the release 2 days after it hits the shelves.

and he also has to take into account whether he wants his music actually heard or if he's only interested in the big bucks up front. he's marginalizing his music and devaluing his own career by seeking out ever more obscure and convoluted means of getting his music to the public.

cool

jpnyc said:

Prince might need an critic, but not a record label. I think Prince’s early 1990s albums would be a lot better if Warner hadn’t been pushing him to try and stay on top by venturing into hip-hop, which he was never especially good at. If Prince was on a major label today they’d be pestering him to give guest spots to Kanye West, Jay-Z, and Rhianna. And that would NOT work out.

His 90's albums are my favorites of all of his work. Especially D&P, symbol, come, gold and chaos in particular. I would keep those over anything else he has done so I disagree with you. Ever since he left Warner Prince has sucked BAD!! Everyone of those cds are pure garbage

SquirrelMeat said:

laurarichardson said:

The last I heard he was off to prison but you spin the story the way you want.

George bitched at his record company and never had a hit record in the U.S. again. P managed to move some CDs in the U.S after his break with WB and even when he was with WB he had filler cuts on his CDs which were sometimes overlong. I do not see how he is doing anything different with his music being independent. After all WB never wanted WDC to even be on PR and they hated Kiss and fucked up the marketing of Sign Of The Times because they did not want to push the RnB cuts.

Sometimes P was right and sometimes he was wrong in the end I just do not think that George Michael or this ass clown from Atlantic are doing anything better.

I see you are watching it from the "America is the world" point of view.

Regardless of of love/hate for GM, all his released material has sold millions, even in the US he has sold more than P.

But that doesn't matter, all I'm saying is that GM made a good point that P needs editting. A lot of artists agree, and so do fans.

I think most fans would agree that P is his own worst enemy when it comes to career choices.

Except is wasn't George Michael...it was Sir Elton who said that.

WisdomNLove said:

errant said:

the problem with Prince's current model for distribution is that, yes, it does get him a bunch of money up front from Target, or the Daily Mirror, or the Mail or whatever newspaper or niche distributor he can swindle into one of these deals. but it won't be long before they all wise up and realize they've got a mountain of unsold discs they have to move for $5 or less after Prince has stopped promoting the release 2 days after it hits the shelves.

and he also has to take into account whether he wants his music actually heard or if he's only interested in the big bucks up front. he's marginalizing his music and devaluing his own career by seeking out ever more obscure and convoluted means of getting his music to the public.

cool

SUBWAY- 47-50TH Street-Rockefeller Ctr

Maybe P can catch a subway down to 6th Avenue,NY,NY and chat with Klamman over some vegie pizza before the next MSG show.

The Deal Closer- 100% Cotton

One thing 4 sure is Atlantic Records has a good t-shirt dept. Look at that website with some snazzy tshirts promoting their artists. I betcha AR uses 100% cotton Haynes tshirts rather than cheap tity C thru shirts.

LOVELYSKYE said:

OK. Klamman put your money where your mouth is and back up your statement.

With Prince's post-WB track record with record companies, you seriously expect that?

What he says is 100% truth and on point, and everyone knows it. It's OK to be a great artist, but without a canvas and a frame, you're just a brat sploshing shit tons of paint everywhere.

Whatever anyone says about Prince at this point is moot. Good or bad, criticisms or praise. He's been in the game for over 30 years and he's not going anywhere. Everyone can say what they feel he needs to be doing or what he should've done in the past but it makes no difference now. His spot in music history is etched in stone and no amount of bad press, criticisms, praise or accolades will change that fact. The industry should get over it already and so should the fans. Nobody is going to tell a headstrong 52 year old man what to do and have him listen. He didn't want to hear it when he was 17 years old. Why would he change now?