Militant said:

jtfolden said:

Then you must live a more sheltered fan life than you lead on... I've known a many fan and non-fan alike that have called him "his royal badness" as jest or sign of affection... less so now because fewer people talk about him.

Agreed. I see fans refer to his as "His Royal Badness" - ALL.THE.TIME.

You see it a lot on Twitter, Tumblr, picture tags, stuff like that.

PROOF - http://search.twitter.com...al+badness - there's about 20 usages of the term from fans there just in the last few days. None of those people are journalists.

Also - http://search.twitter.com...le+majesty - a fair few results for his purple majesty too.... also NOT from journalists

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so post some proof from this site that are directly from members, and not quotes from what other people have posted, and of course threads started before this one

i think you'll think that derogatory terms like dickhead and wanker are used far more often for prince than the names you mentioned, and that's on one of, if not the biggest prince fan site

sro100 said:

I love this answer out of all of them. Points out the absurdity of this stupid baiting post to dredge up the tired Prince/MJ debate. Prince isn't MJ's "heir" period. Give that title to Prince Michael, Blanket, or Jermajesty if they ever put out a cd lol

unique said:

Militant said:

Agreed. I see fans refer to his as "His Royal Badness" - ALL.THE.TIME.

You see it a lot on Twitter, Tumblr, picture tags, stuff like that.

PROOF - http://search.twitter.com...al+badness - there's about 20 usages of the term from fans there just in the last few days. None of those people are journalists.

Also - http://search.twitter.com...le+majesty - a fair few results for his purple majesty too.... also NOT from journalists

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so post some proof from this site that are directly from members, and not quotes from what other people have posted, and of course threads started before this one

i think you'll think that derogatory terms like dickhead and wanker are used far more often for prince than the names you mentioned, and that's on one of, if not the biggest prince fan site

Fan sites represent a small minority of any artists fanbase. I think those Twitter results speak for themselves. You asked for proof. I gave it. You said only journalists use those names. I just linked you to dozens of people who aren't journalists and used those nicknames.

My point is proven, I don't care much to trawl through MORE search results to continue proving the same point. It's been made. Accept it, or don't. Everybody else can see what the deal is. But feel free to keep digging if you want.

As for your attack on seeingvoices - really? You bring up charges than a man was found innocent of? Where even people who know nothing about the case realise the families were known fraudsters looking for an easy paycheck? You mention not touring, but the man was murdered on the eve of a stellar comeback. How is that relevant? As for being a drug addict for "3 decades", LMFAO. It wasn't even ONE decade. Michael had an addiction for a few years in the 90's, kicked it, then slipped back into due to the stress of the 2005 trial. Again, following this trial, he kicked it (unless you REALLY think MJ would have been able to do this in places like Bahrain? ) - and again, personal stresses relating to the tour meant that he slipped back into bad habits, leading him to be in the position where he was murdered by an incompetent doctor.

As for derogotary terms, what the hell does that have to do with anything? Derogatory terms are not nicknames. And again, only the minority fanbase of any artist care enough about that artists mistakes to call them a derogatory name. And those people can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, Prince has never done anything to 99.9% of them to justify calling him a dickhead or a wanker. Those people need a reality check.

Militant said:

unique said:

so post some proof from this site that are directly from members, and not quotes from what other people have posted, and of course threads started before this one

i think you'll think that derogatory terms like dickhead and wanker are used far more often for prince than the names you mentioned, and that's on one of, if not the biggest prince fan site

Fan sites represent a small minority of any artists fanbase. I think those Twitter results speak for themselves. You asked for proof. I gave it. You said only journalists use those names. I just linked you to dozens of people who aren't journalists and used those nicknames.

My point is proven, I don't care much to trawl through MORE search results to continue proving the same point. It's been made. Accept it, or don't. Everybody else can see what the deal is. But feel free to keep digging if you want.

As for your attack on seeingvoices - really? You bring up charges than a man was found innocent of? Where even people who know nothing about the case realise the families were known fraudsters looking for an easy paycheck? You mention not touring, but the man was murdered on the eve of a stellar comeback. How is that relevant? As for being a drug addict for "3 decades", LMFAO. It wasn't even ONE decade. Michael had an addiction for a few years in the 90's, kicked it, then slipped back into due to the stress of the 2005 trial. Again, following this trial, he kicked it (unless you REALLY think MJ would have been able to do this in places like Bahrain? ) - and again, personal stresses relating to the tour meant that he slipped back into bad habits, leading him to be in the position where he was murdered by an incompetent doctor.

As for derogotary terms, what the hell does that have to do with anything? Derogatory terms are not nicknames. And again, only the minority fanbase of any artist care enough about that artists mistakes to call them a derogatory name. And those people can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, Prince has never done anything to 99.9% of them to justify calling him a dickhead or a wanker. Those people need a reality check.

i specifically asked for proof from THIS SITE. if those terms are used, then you shouldn't have a problem. my point is they aren't, thus you won't be easily able to find them, thus my point is proven as you can't/won't. singular specific derogatory terms are used far more commonly on this site than those terms you mentioned

the point being is those terms aren't accepted terms for prince like the godfather of soul, king of rock n roll, godfather of funk, etc. if prince ever had a nickmane it would be the artist formely known as, or the artist, or the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince, terms still referenced by many today, yet don't appear to be mentioned once on this thread

unique said:

i specifically asked for proof from THIS SITE. if those terms are used, then you shouldn't have a problem. my point is they aren't, thus you won't be easily able to find them, thus my point is proven as you can't/won't. singular specific derogatory terms are used far more commonly on this site than those terms you mentioned

And that proves nothing except that the 5%-10% (if even that much) of fans dedicated enough to post on a message board of that artist, don't refer to him by those nicknames.

Barely any (if any) of the people in those Twitter search results post either here, on MoQuake, or PrinceFams. Those people represent the 90%-95% percent of Prince fans who don't spend their time on internet message boards.

Therefore their usage of those terms holds more weight than if people HERE don't use those terms.

Also, less than a quarter of the people that post here would ever refer to Prince with a derogotary term. So that's 1.25%-2.5% of Prince's entire fanbase. Again, this means nothing.

I could go up to 50 random people right now and say "which musical artist is known as His Royal Badness" and I would put money on it that most of them would say Prince.

V10LETBLUES said:

The King Of Pop moniker was a press release from the Jackson camp. I remember watching on the news all the rolling of the eyes form news rooms the first time that manufactured marketing phrase was introduced.

It was manufactured by MJ and his production company. But what the heck. It stuck and it worked fabulously.

Again, "His Royal Badness" is much cooler and the press all just called him that all by themselves without any press release or eye rolls. The symbol name change serves that purpose.

"[A] highly placed source at MTV says the network was obligated to refer to Jackson on air as the King of Pop in order to be allowed to show "Black or White." An MTV spokeswoman denies that, but the phrase was part of MTV's ads for the video and was repeatedly used by its VJs. A source at Fox confirms that Jackson's people did request that Bart use the phrase "King of Pop" in the video and that the phrase also be used in the network's press releases; "King of Pop" also crops up in Fox's print ads for the video and in press releases by Jackson's publicists, Solters/Roskin/Friedman."

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Wrong.

Here's a link to a clip from at least 2 years earlier. Yes, he totally ran with it. I thought it was lame but the fact is MJ did not manufacture the title King of Pop. Liz Taylor made it up.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...92BVuQbuyg

He's Prince. Does he need a title besides that?

Mods need to do their job, The clue was in the title of the thread. but i suppose if MJ gets bashed enough in a Prince thread it won't get locked despite numerous MJ mentions taking it towards yet another boring Prince Vs MJ debate.

Leaves boring Prince: music and More.

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Everyone already took those titles that have done so much more then he has is living

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[Edited 12/19/10 14:38pm]

http://prince.org/msg/7/123194

http://prince.org/msg/7/330473

http://prince.org/msg/7/339867

http://prince.org/msg/7/334741

http://prince.org/msg/7/332071

http://prince.org/msg/7/333874

http://prince.org/msg/7/198597

http://prince.org/msg/7/201339

http://prince.org/msg/7/337704

http://prince.org/msg/8/325721

It's disingenuous to say only retard journalists use His Royal Badness as a moniker.

Militant said:

unique said:

i specifically asked for proof from THIS SITE. if those terms are used, then you shouldn't have a problem. my point is they aren't, thus you won't be easily able to find them, thus my point is proven as you can't/won't. singular specific derogatory terms are used far more commonly on this site than those terms you mentioned

And that proves nothing except that the 5%-10% (if even that much) of fans dedicated enough to post on a message board of that artist, don't refer to him by those nicknames.

Barely any (if any) of the people in those Twitter search results post either here, on MoQuake, or PrinceFams. Those people represent the 90%-95% percent of Prince fans who don't spend their time on internet message boards.

Therefore their usage of those terms holds more weight than if people HERE don't use those terms.

Also, less than a quarter of the people that post here would ever refer to Prince with a derogotary term. So that's 1.25%-2.5% of Prince's entire fanbase. Again, this means nothing.

I could go up to 50 random people right now and say "which musical artist is known as His Royal Badness" and I would put money on it that most of them would say Prince.

you could go up to 50 random people and ask them who is the pint sized rockstar and they would say prince, or who is the peado pop star and they would say MJ, but it doesn't mean people go around calling them that normally

prince is called a midget on this site more often than he's called the terms you say. they simply aren't accepted titles like those held by james brown or george clinton

his royal badness was a phrase coined by a journalist. many journalist phrases are remembered years later, such as freddie starr ate my hamster or gotcha. just because people remember them doesn't mean they are commonly used terms of reference. and using twitter as a source is laughable, you may as well use /b/ to find out what they are up to. twitter is the shitter of the internet for people who think others are interested in the constant banal shit they post. when facebook went down this week, half the world became productive and the other half posted on twitter. no-one is fucking interested in the shite you post on facebook, you're not a celebrity, and even if you were, who the fuck cares that you're in starbucks or some other shit? wtf did you do before those sites? blab shite to strangers around you like a crazy drunken old man with a shopping trolley? wtf is the world coming to?

he's prince, end of. no titles or nothing, never had one, never needed one, and never will. he's fucking ego is big enough. just STFU and play some music, that's all people want

mynameisnotsusan said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/123194

http://prince.org/msg/7/330473

http://prince.org/msg/7/339867

http://prince.org/msg/7/334741

http://prince.org/msg/7/332071

http://prince.org/msg/7/333874

http://prince.org/msg/7/198597

http://prince.org/msg/7/201339

http://prince.org/msg/7/337704

http://prince.org/msg/8/325721

It's disingenuous to say only retard journalists use His Royal Badness as a moniker.

thank you. you prove my point with the dates on those links

unique said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/123194

http://prince.org/msg/7/330473

http://prince.org/msg/7/339867

http://prince.org/msg/7/334741

http://prince.org/msg/7/332071

http://prince.org/msg/7/333874

http://prince.org/msg/7/198597

http://prince.org/msg/7/201339

http://prince.org/msg/7/337704

http://prince.org/msg/8/325721

It's disingenuous to say only retard journalists use His Royal Badness as a moniker.

thank you. you prove my point with the dates on those links

hhhhdmt said:

dandeeland said:

Why would he be? He really doesn't deserve to be. He has only has 9 number 1s on the pop charts. That not THAT impressive. His albums(other than Purple Rain, D&P, Batman and 1999) have really been blockbusters. A few string of hits in the 80s/early 90s and thats about it. It doesn't compare to MJ, Madonna or even Elton John for his time period just to name a few. He could rival them back in his day live but thats about it. He is in the second tier of superstars behind your Elvis'es, Beatles, Stones, Madonna, MJ etc. I would put him with the likes of the Mellencamps, Springsteens etc. Nothing to slouch at but not in the elitest group

musically he is far suerior to MJ and Madonna. Oh he has written more top 10 hits then either Mj or Madonna. Yes musically he is in the elite group. Your post, no offense, is a joke. Thanks for the laugh. Madonna or MJ couldnt carry his jockstrap.

But that's just YOUR opinion, the pair of you. It's all subjective. There are no hard facts, neither of you can account for everybody's taste. Arguments like this are tired and redundant. Why people cannot be happy and content with what they like and not compare it to or put down other acts at the same time is beyond me. Silly & juvenile behaviour.

unique said:

lotusboy said:

a lot of what u say here is somewhat viable, but attacking music journalists and calling them retards puts u right back where u started. if u want to make points, try staying away from calling professional journalists retards. it makes U appear..well..I think u get my point.

i see your point, but you miss mine a bit. i'm referring to the lazy journalists that make stuff up and have to add tags such as "the pint sized singer" etc etc etc. good journalists, whether music journos or not, don't do that. you don't see the bbc news at 10 start with a story saying "the pint sized rockstar prince gives away his album today with the mail on sunday", do you. but read the sun and there's a guarantee that every article on prince will mention "pint sized". those are the journos lacking talent and creativity. back in the old classic days of the NME, the writers were talented, creative and interesting and didn't rely on stupid crap to fill pages. many of todays music journalists are retarded in a professional sense. we should be progressing towards better writing, not regressing towards smash hits type shit

That's the Sun's tabloid style though. Scientists are described as 'Boffins' in stories. Everyone knows that besides creative headlines at times, the Sun appeals to the lowest common denominator and is not serious journalism in action. You're not an idiot Unique. Stop stating the bloody obvious and buy the Independent tomorrow.

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unique said:

Militant said:

And that proves nothing except that the 5%-10% (if even that much) of fans dedicated enough to post on a message board of that artist, don't refer to him by those nicknames.

Barely any (if any) of the people in those Twitter search results post either here, on MoQuake, or PrinceFams. Those people represent the 90%-95% percent of Prince fans who don't spend their time on internet message boards.

Therefore their usage of those terms holds more weight than if people HERE don't use those terms.

Also, less than a quarter of the people that post here would ever refer to Prince with a derogotary term. So that's 1.25%-2.5% of Prince's entire fanbase. Again, this means nothing.

I could go up to 50 random people right now and say "which musical artist is known as His Royal Badness" and I would put money on it that most of them would say Prince.

you could go up to 50 random people and ask them who is the pint sized rockstar and they would say prince, or who is the peado pop star and they would say MJ, but it doesn't mean people go around calling them that normally

prince is called a midget on this site more often than he's called the terms you say. they simply aren't accepted titles like those held by james brown or george clinton

his royal badness was a phrase coined by a journalist. many journalist phrases are remembered years later, such as freddie starr ate my hamster or gotcha. just because people remember them doesn't mean they are commonly used terms of reference. and using twitter as a source is laughable, you may as well use /b/ to find out what they are up to. twitter is the shitter of the internet for people who think others are interested in the constant banal shit they post. when facebook went down this week, half the world became productive and the other half posted on twitter. no-one is fucking interested in the shite you post on facebook, you're not a celebrity, and even if you were, who the fuck cares that you're in starbucks or some other shit? wtf did you do before those sites? blab shite to strangers around you like a crazy drunken old man with a shopping trolley? wtf is the world coming to?

he's prince, end of. no titles or nothing, never had one, never needed one, and never will. he's fucking ego is big enough. just STFU and play some music, that's all people want

A MESS......

seeingvoices12 said:

unique said:

you could go up to 50 random people and ask them who is the pint sized rockstar and they would say prince, or who is the peado pop star and they would say MJ, but it doesn't mean people go around calling them that normally

prince is called a midget on this site more often than he's called the terms you say. they simply aren't accepted titles like those held by james brown or george clinton

his royal badness was a phrase coined by a journalist. many journalist phrases are remembered years later, such as freddie starr ate my hamster or gotcha. just because people remember them doesn't mean they are commonly used terms of reference. and using twitter as a source is laughable, you may as well use /b/ to find out what they are up to. twitter is the shitter of the internet for people who think others are interested in the constant banal shit they post. when facebook went down this week, half the world became productive and the other half posted on twitter. no-one is fucking interested in the shite you post on facebook, you're not a celebrity, and even if you were, who the fuck cares that you're in starbucks or some other shit? wtf did you do before those sites? blab shite to strangers around you like a crazy drunken old man with a shopping trolley? wtf is the world coming to?

he's prince, end of. no titles or nothing, never had one, never needed one, and never will. he's fucking ego is big enough. just STFU and play some music, that's all people want

A MESS......

Yes. I'd say Kylie and Gary Glitter personally.

unique said:

and using twitter as a source is laughable, you may as well use /b/ to find out what they are up to. twitter is the shitter of the internet for people who think others are interested in the constant banal shit they post. when facebook went down this week, half the world became productive and the other half posted on twitter. no-one is fucking interested in the shite you post on facebook, you're not a celebrity, and even if you were, who the fuck cares that you're in starbucks or some other shit? wtf did you do before those sites? blab shite to strangers around you like a crazy drunken old man with a shopping trolley? wtf is the world coming to?

Oh, what a surprise, you're one of those "new media hater" types who doesn't understand that the purpose of social media/web2.0 sites like twitter and facebook aren't at all about what people are doing, but rather what people are thinking. And many of those people are interesting people with real valid opinions on things. Yes, some people are dull and banal. So you don't follow those people. Follow people with similar interests to you. I follow many Prince fans on Twitter, some of whom are celebrities that were at the shows, and I've been enjoying the play-by-play updates, photos and videos from the Welcome 2 America shows in real time. Questlove jammed with the NPG on stage last night and posted a picture FROM THE STAGE. 30 seconds after he did it, I was looking at that picture when he probably hadn't even got back to his regular seat. Sure, you can read accounts of the shows here, but people aren't generally doing in real time, I saw stuff show up here HOURS later regarding the MSG show last night.

I direct you to this excellent post on the subject - "Twitter's not stupid - you just have boring friends" - written by a university professor friend of mine - http://andrewdubber.com/2...g-friends/

The fact remains that people DO refer to Prince as "His Royal Badness" and "His Purple Majesty" - AS I PROVED by posting those Twitter links, but I could have posted links from ANY social network to prove the same point. But those aren't valid to you, just because, IN YOUR OPINION, social media sites are a timewaste? Fuck off.

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unique said:

jtfolden said:

Then you must live a more sheltered fan life than you lead on... I've known a many fan and non-fan alike that have called him "his royal badness" as jest or sign of affection... less so now because fewer people talk about him.

ok, find 5 threads started before this one with members that called him any of those names, not quoted/linked articles with those terms, and let's see when they were last posted and get an idea of the frequency those terms are used

There's no need. Militant has beautifully illustrated how often the nicknames are used via Twitter - which gives a MUCH more accurate idea of how the general population refers to him.

You wanted frequency? According to Twitter alone, it's every day.

JayJai said:

seeingvoices12 said:

FAIL

That's MILITANT'S opinion and you have no right whatsoever to call him retard ...

look who's speaking calling MJ fans retards...what other skills do you have Mrs unique other than trolling and destroying MJ threads , your post history tells alot....so before you bad mouth other members i think you need to drop down your lame trolling skills and learn to respect others....

Ummm plus he is referred to as "his royal badness" & "his purple majesty" among his fans (or wateva u wanna call them)...yes here on the org as well...and why are u in a place full of idiots anyway? Won't u rather be somewhere else...among non-idiots? I guess u're one to still be associated here

Exactly

Talking about self-contradiction , it still amazes that even in death MJ still gets some hatred from some folks, getting upset that he might destroy their favorite with any future releases

MJ'S place in the history books is known , so is prince...both great and equally talented , both should be appreciated.

Well, it wasn't really any fun while it lasted, but this thread has definately outlasted it's welcome.

Mj discussion belongs in another forum and personal fights don't belong here at all.