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3121...Princes most creative Period
After the (So-called) comeback album 'Musicology', Prince locked himself in the studio for a year with some of the greatest musicians. Michael Bland, Cora Coleman Dunham, Sonny T, Maceo Parker, Candy Dulfer, Sheila E, Clare Fischer to name a few.
Album sessions started in November 2004 with the recording of the song "3121" with Michael Bland and Sonny T. It became the first Prince album ever to debut at #1. The album was generally well received.
During this time Prince also recorded songs that would feature on the mediocre "Planet Earth" and the Gold selling "Lotusflow3r". To me this was a period where Prince was at his most creative since possibly 1992-93.
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It's hard to say since not much in the way of production information comes out of Paisley anymore. We really only know about the 3121/Lotus sessions from interviews with Michael B and the like. Prince has mentioned recently that he's "three albums ahead" which may or may not include the "Welcome 2 America" LP (which seems as stillborn as the 20TEN Deluxe CD) mentioned on the radio interview.
He's probably still making a song or two a day as he always has, but he's somehow not interested in releasing the music publicly - which is fourteen kinds of weird.
I'm sure we'll get an album sometime this year, a bone if you will. I don't think it would be a stretch by saying most fans would love a pile of carefully selected Vault material released along side any new material. I mean, he is "emancipated" now, right? What's the hold up? If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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20Ten and Mlpsound sound like they were made in a week.
I find it strange that Prince stated that he wanted to release 3 albums a year whilst with WB, but we are yet to see that happen....The NPGMC was perfect for that.
3121 was an exciting era, especially the release of a demo or new track once a week. The album was a return to form for me. '3121' track was daring, and Alternative.....something that is missed. Keenmeister | |
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1998 was seen has a period of mass output.....BUT....To me alot of the 1998 work just sounds the same. 2004-5 was a period of different, and alternative sounds(well to some degree). Keenmeister | |
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I don't have anything to confirm this suspicion, but I don't think Prince is anywhere near as productive as he used to be. Just as he doesn't drill the band in 8 hour rehearsals anymore, I don't think he lives in the studio at this point.
As for the larger subject, I'm really glad Andy qualified his statement with "since 92-93". Nothing about the 3121 era is even half as creative as 85-87. Also: Prince has never met Clare Fischer, so he certainly wasn't in the studio with Prince at the time. | |
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Didn't this amount to a total of 3 tracks in the end? "F.U.N.K.", the acoustic version of "Love" and the live recording of "Chaos & Disorder"? | |
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You could very well be right, but unfortunately, even in the day of Twitter and instant access to most artist's goings on, Prince is more elusive than he ever was regarding past, current and future projects. Hell, speculation is all we have to keep us going most of the year. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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I think he still makes songs, but just like anyone with a creative side, you get tired of giving it to people.. maybe he is getting bored with the world... Its like a writer's block, | |
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I just wish he hadn't created any of those... | |
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Has he not been putting out more studio material in the 2000's than he did in the 80's? Where's a list? You have to include things that showed up only on the internet too. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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I don't think he has if u exclude 2001.
The list is in progress here: https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
If u compare 2009 and 2010 (the only 2 2000's pages i've been able to make so far) to the 80's and early 90's pages, the answer is definitely no.
That doesn't mean at all that he records less, but he does release less.
As for this whole assesment about 2005 being P's most creative period, i don't think it makes any sense: P probably didn't record more than the usual. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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You can't exclude a year! Lemme check out the link. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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If u exclude all the old alternates and remixses it's not THAT less, xcept that a lot of the latest material is live stuff and also he doesn't compose for others anymore. We'd have to count the original studio tracks only... IDK really... A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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there's no 2000's on that list!
But just off the top of my head:
Planet Earth Musicology Rave into Rave unto 3121 Prince ONA live NEWS Lotus Flower MPLS The entire Bria album The lost Tamar album High album (we got most everything romured to be on here) Slaughterhouse 2010 The Rainbow Children The Chocolate Invasion C-Note Xpectation
singles ?: Summertime? what was it called? Guitar demo Love acoustic FUNK Mountains live version SST song for No Doubt album (Waiting Room?)
I don't remember this much shit from the 80's! and the bootlegs have been sealed up, since he assumedly got wise to the leaking joints in his studio plumbing.
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U left out a few: In A Small Roo with No Light (how could you?) Cause and Effect Purple and Gold (sorry?!) Rich Friends Song from the Heart Glasscutter Feel Good, Feel etc [Edited 1/9/11 11:23am] "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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Er... 2009 and 2010 is "no 2000's"? Well, ok there's still a lot of work to b done there ^^
And u're right about the amount of stuff but there was definitely at least as much in the 80's, c'mon, check the site's pages, it was quite impressive all the stuff we had back then. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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1978 For You 1988 Lovesexy (1994) Black Album
Associated Artists:
1981 The Time - S/T 1982 The Time - What Time Is It? 1985 The Family - S/T 1987 Madhouse 8 1987 Madhouse 16 1989 Mavis Staples - Time Waits For No One
1990 Graffiti Bridge 1991 Diamonds And Pearls 1992 Symbol 1994 1-800-New-Funk 1995 Exodus 1997 Kamasutra
Associated Artists:
1990 The Time - Pandemonium 1991 Ingrid Chavez - May 19, 1992 1991 Eric Leeds - Times Squared 1993 Mavis Staples - The Voice 1995 Mayte - Child Of The Sun 1999 Graham Central Station - GCS 2000 1999 Chaka Khan - Come 2 My House ____________________
2000 Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic 2001 The Very Best Of Prince 2003 Xpectation 2004 The Chocolate Invasion 2004 The Slaughterhouse 2004 C-NOTE 2009 Lotusflow3r 2009 MPLSoUND 2010 20TEN
Associated Artists:
2009 Bria Valente - Elixer
I only included associated artists that Prince contributed at least half of the tracks and didn't include the NPGMC Ahdio Shows.
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When it comes to the albums it's kinda the same every decade A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Well-compiled. You could add The War to the 90s, I think (it's EP size, no?) "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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You can't leave out the strudio tracks that were internet only, or the audio shows! Those were studio productions as well.
Oh yeah, 2040 radical man.
Also the albums in the 2000's have more tracks per record than the 80's albums.
For example Rave has 15 tracks, Purple Rain has 8 tracks. Lovesexy has 9. 3121 had 12. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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I work day and night on a website and looks who gets congrats (no offense Squirrel, u know u'll always b my man )
The War was featured as being an "album" on NPGonlineltd and NPGMC's official discographies, and added as such to the cancelled Chocolate Invasion boxset, but then Prince suddenly sold it as a "single" on the next version of NPGMC, so basically it's what u want it 2 b A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Feel free to break it down by song and add what you feel should be on the studio list. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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I think the amount of tracks that appeared under associated artists each decade are rather telling in regard to how much studio time he has been doing. IIRC, the associated bands were initially created because of all the overflow of material and recording time he was doing.
On the other hand, his own albums have grown in size since the 80's. He probably released more material under his own name in the 90's than either of the other decades. | |
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