There were reports over the summer that Prince had met with Execs at Warner Brothers and that they were supposed to be the U.S. distributors for his "20TEN" CD. Does anyone know if that's really what the meetings were about? Has any news surfaced about the so called "20TEN Deluxe" CD?

zaza said:

You can ask Militant, I suppose he knows it.

Ummm does that mean it was a false report?

DaisyHall said:

zaza said:

DaisyHall said:

Ummm does that mean it was a false report?

Who knows. But you know Prince - he's well known for cancelling his releases And wasn't that WB meeting about remasters?

the metting was for??? no one really knows. It was a short time before the 20ten was released overseas. Prince talked about meeing with WB to the peach and black people about remasters, but, prince also said he had already gotten the masters back after 30 years (when the law is 35).

Also WB would allow/fund remasters if Prince wanted them to. And I do not trust prince at ALL to do the remastering. It needs to be done by people that KNOW what they are doing. There is NO reason to think prince has a clue.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

zaza said:

DaisyHall said: Who knows. But you know Prince - he's well known for cancelling his releases And wasn't that WB meeting about remasters?

the metting was for??? no one really knows. It was a short time before the 20ten was released overseas. Prince talked about meeing with WB to the peach and black people about remasters, but, prince also said he had already gotten the masters back after 30 years (when the law is 35).

Also WB would allow/fund remasters if Prince wanted them to. And I do not trust prince at ALL to do the remastering. It needs to be done by people that KNOW what they are doing. There is NO reason to think prince has a clue.

So wait, Prince has the rights again to his old material? Because that was my second guess, that he had bought back the rights to certain songs. "Sticky Like Glue" and "Lavaux" really sound like some old material ripped from the vaults.

DaisyHall said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the metting was for??? no one really knows. It was a short time before the 20ten was released overseas. Prince talked about meeing with WB to the peach and black people about remasters, but, prince also said he had already gotten the masters back after 30 years (when the law is 35).

Also WB would allow/fund remasters if Prince wanted them to. And I do not trust prince at ALL to do the remastering. It needs to be done by people that KNOW what they are doing. There is NO reason to think prince has a clue.

So wait, Prince has the rights again to his old material? Because that was my second guess, that he had bought back the rights to certain songs. "Sticky Like Glue" and "Lavaux" really sound like some old material ripped from the vaults.

no one is really sure who owns the valut material. I susspect it is a mix of Prince and WB. If prince billed WB for studio time then they may belog to WB for 40 years (as they were not published). But WB may not even know what all songs are in the vault.

and unless WB agreed to let him have the masters 5 years early then that was a gift to prince as the law is 30 years.

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Empty coffee cups.

Paper pads with doodles on them.

DaisyHall said:

Chewed pens.

daPrettyman said:

DaisyHall said:

He has the masters for For You & Prince so far. He aquires dirty mind in 2011. That's what was said in the podcast.

the issue on the masters is not clear. The law is 35 years, with a 5 year prior notice but the notice can be made at 25 years. So unless WB was kind to Prince and decided to turn them over 5 years early or there is something else in the law prince was mistaken when he said that.

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Picked scabs.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

daPrettyman said:

DaisyHall said:

the issue on the masters is not clear. The law is 35 years, with a 5 year prior notice but the notice can be made at 25 years. So unless WB was kind to Prince and decided to turn them over 5 years early or there is something else in the law prince was mistaken when he said that.

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I'm not sure either. It may be a thing where WB is giving people options.

I noticed that Ashford and Simpson own their 70s and early 80s Warner Brothers albums now. That would lead me to think they either bought them out or WB issued them back to them.

There may be a clause in the contracts from WB at that time, who knows? It would make sense if Prince would buy them out after 30 years for each album.

daPrettyman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the issue on the masters is not clear. The law is 35 years, with a 5 year prior notice but the notice can be made at 25 years. So unless WB was kind to Prince and decided to turn them over 5 years early or there is something else in the law prince was mistaken when he said that.

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I'm not sure either. It may be a thing where WB is giving people options.

I noticed that Ashford and Simpson own their 70s and early 80s Warner Brothers albums now. That would lead me to think they either bought them out or WB issued them back to them.

There may be a clause in the contracts from WB at that time, who knows? It would make sense if Prince would buy them out after 30 years for each album.

the 35 year law went into effect jan 1 1978. but it could be that their contract held the masters or that they at some point bought them or got them as a term of some other contract? or WB might just be giving them back?

Prince owns the master tapes, and likely has (and has always had) physical possession of them. There is possibly nothing stopping him remastering those recordings.

However, the rights to use of the masters (e.g. for commercial purposes) would be bound by legal arrangements. Under existing US statute law, those rights would revert to Prince after 35 years, subject to Prince giving notice for reversion. But there is always the possibility that Prince has an agreement with WB which results in those rights reverting back to him at an earlier date - either under the original contractual arrangements or a subsequent agreement.

This is at least one way that would explain Prince's comments about the master tapes reported in the Peach and Black podcast

langebleu said:

Prince owns the master tapes, and likely has (and has always had) physical possession of them. There is possibly nothing stopping him remastering those recordings.

However, the rights to use of the masters (e.g. for commercial purposes) would be bound by legal arrangements. Under existing US statute law, those rights would revert to Prince after 35 years, subject to Prince giving notice for reversion. But there is always the possibility that Prince has an agreement with WB which results in those rights reverting back to him at an earlier date - either under the original contractual arrangements or a subsequent agreement.

This is at least one way that would explain Prince's comments about the master tapes reported in the Peach and Black podcast

Good post: having the actual physical master tapes is not the same as owning the right to make or distribute copies of them. (if i understand the law copyrights fall in to (at last) 2 areas in music: the actual words and music as written or transcribed or recorded AND the right to copy a specific FORM of those works (the songs on the albums).

so prince can own the copyright to the songs but not the masters. so he could rerecord and release them if he so choose. (remember on the Crystal Ball set some of the remade songs "so dark" was said to have been a completely NEW recording? yeah Right)

zaza said:

You can ask Militant, I suppose he knows it.

I never said anything about the meetings with WB. Also, I never said stated WB would be releasing 20TEN Deluxe either.

What I said was that 20TEN Deluxe exists. This was before the Peach and Black podcast where the P&B guys talked about their conversation with Prince regarding 20TEN Deluxe and also before the newspaper interview where Prince spoke about it again. I said that I spoke to someone who worked on it who told me it would be coming out. Which is completely true. Let's also remember that leaked information from an employee at Rhino Records (a WB subsidiary) also suggested that they would be releasing it alongside a re-release of "The Very Best Of..."

I also speculated that 20TEN Deluxe might be included with the concert tickets, which we'll find out next week. However, I never stated that that was anything more than speculation based on Prince's past history f doing exactly that in 2004 and 2007.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

langebleu said:

Prince owns the master tapes, and likely has (and has always had) physical possession of them. There is possibly nothing stopping him remastering those recordings.

However, the rights to use of the masters (e.g. for commercial purposes) would be bound by legal arrangements. Under existing US statute law, those rights would revert to Prince after 35 years, subject to Prince giving notice for reversion. But there is always the possibility that Prince has an agreement with WB which results in those rights reverting back to him at an earlier date - either under the original contractual arrangements or a subsequent agreement.

This is at least one way that would explain Prince's comments about the master tapes reported in the Peach and Black podcast

Good post: having the actual physical master tapes is not the same as owning the right to make or distribute copies of them. (if i understand the law copyrights fall in to (at last) 2 areas in music: the actual words and music as written or transcribed or recorded AND the right to copy a specific FORM of those works (the songs on the albums).

so prince can own the copyright to the songs but not the masters. so he could rerecord and release them if he so choose. (remember on the Crystal Ball set some of the remade songs "so dark" was said to have been a completely NEW recording? yeah Right)

Yep. Prince has stated time and time again that he was legally able to remake the songs, but not to remaster and release them. I take this to mean that Prince is unable to remaster and release them without a joint agreement w/ WB and that the initial fight over masters which began in 1993 was not actually about masters at all - masters were just the biggest sore thumb circa 1998 and on.

Anyway, this is all speculation on my part and everyone else's part(s). Unless we see a scanned copy of the actual contracts which pertain to Prince's master recordings and their pertinent rights, we know zip/zilch/nada.

Whatever Prince says is going to be only a half truth, primarily because Prince isn't interested in being forthcoming about his own limitations and shortcomings and would rather simply criticize other people constantly. That being said, if the P&B podcast is true and not bullshit, his words are still being filtered like Chinese whispers and I find it difficult to believe that some fans in a club could've possibly understood what the fuck Prince is talking about anyway considering nobody has EVER known what the fuck this man is going on about.

daPrettyman said:

DaisyHall said:

So wait, Prince has the rights again to his old material? Because that was my second guess, that he had bought back the rights to certain songs. "Sticky Like Glue" and "Lavaux" really sound like some old material ripped from the vaults.

He has the masters for For You & Prince so far. He aquires dirty mind in 2011. That's what was said in the podcast.

Wrong! Prince just recieved Dirty Mind this year. He just recently got it..........

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

daPrettyman said:

DaisyHall said: He has the masters for For You & Prince so far. He aquires dirty mind in 2011. That's what was said in the podcast.

Wrong! Prince just recieved Dirty Mind this year. He just recently got it..........

if it is at 30 years he would have gotten in in October. but i suspect prince was not being accurate when he said he had them. maybe he don't math?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

daPrettyman said:

DaisyHall said: He has the masters for For You & Prince so far. He aquires dirty mind in 2011. That's what was said in the podcast.

Wrong! Prince just recieved Dirty Mind this year. He just recently got it..........

Since when is an unofficial podcast not even in the artist's mother country some sort of official or even reputable document? As Bart would say, "Puh-lease." All due respect to those who've earned it, but you're just repeating an idea that has absolutely no basis.

The "knowledge" that Prince has Dirty Mind and the preceding albums so much sooner than the law states is absolutely, unequivocally speculation and people should really tread on thin ice when repeating it as fact.

Spinlight said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Wrong! Prince just recieved Dirty Mind this year. He just recently got it..........

Since when is an unofficial podcast not even in the artist's mother country some sort of official or even reputable document? As Bart would say, "Puh-lease." All due respect to those who've earned it, but you're just repeating an idea that has absolutely no basis.

The "knowledge" that Prince has Dirty Mind and the preceding albums so much sooner than the law states is absolutely, unequivocally speculation and people should really tread on thin ice when repeating it as fact.