I heard that Carmen slept with Tony, not Levi.

Levi left because he believed he wasn't getting his due financially.

Genesia said:

PurpleLove7 said:

Yeah, just goes to show you he was 'the boss' first and 'friend' second. What's great is he still works with Wendy, Lisa & Sheila to this day. People who know him and are close with him or 'closer' then any of us are the only people I think should have some form of say so about Prince. Not to put his business out there but, I overheard Jellybean say he was gonna kick P's ass during the 7.7.7 shows in Bunkers. I was like 'whoa' but, then again, they've known one another since high school so who am I to defend P ... LoL

I also think it's important to understand the nature of creative relationships.

I am on great terms with every director I've ever worked with. None of them would hesitate for a second to cast me again. But doesn't mean they hire me for every play they direct. It has to be the right role, I have to be the right fit with the other actors they're casting, etc. And (on my side), I have to want to do a particular play - and it has to fit in with my schedule.

I imagine putting together a band works the same way. No matter how much Prince loves what any of his former band members did/do, a lot of pieces have to fall into place to make it happen again.

Your trying to make Prince's thinking logical, where it is not. Prince would require they be black. And Eric Leeds is the only exception. I prefered Prince's mixed nationality Bands of te 80's. That in itself was an excellent statement.

On ting I will say, I have had Prince mad at me....and then later not be mad. I think he rethinks things a lot. Like he was mad at Paul Peterson, but he got over it. But that doesn't mean he would work with him again or help him (re. Cannot use The Family name).

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muskiediver said:

Genesia said:

I also think it's important to understand the nature of creative relationships.

I am on great terms with every director I've ever worked with. None of them would hesitate for a second to cast me again. But doesn't mean they hire me for every play they direct. It has to be the right role, I have to be the right fit with the other actors they're casting, etc. And (on my side), I have to want to do a particular play - and it has to fit in with my schedule.

I imagine putting together a band works the same way. No matter how much Prince loves what any of his former band members did/do, a lot of pieces have to fall into place to make it happen again.

Your trying to make Prince's thinking logical, where it is not. Prince would require they be black. And Eric Leeds is the only exception. I prefered Prince's mixed nationality Bands of te 80's. That in itself was an excellent statement.

On ting I will say, I have had Prince mad at me....and then later not be mad. I think he rethinks things a lot. Like he was mad at Paul Peterson, but he got over it. But that doesn't mean he would work with him again or help him (re. Cannot use The Family name).

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How black is Tommy Barbarella? Or Renato Neto? Just sayin'...

Militant said:

I heard that Carmen slept with Tony, not Levi.

Tony was helping Carmen with her album at the time.

jone70 said:

Militant said:

I heard that Carmen slept with Tony, not Levi.

Tony was helping Carmen with her album at the time.

So that's how they called that...

muskiediver said:

Genesia said:

I also think it's important to understand the nature of creative relationships.

I am on great terms with every director I've ever worked with. None of them would hesitate for a second to cast me again. But doesn't mean they hire me for every play they direct. It has to be the right role, I have to be the right fit with the other actors they're casting, etc. And (on my side), I have to want to do a particular play - and it has to fit in with my schedule.

I imagine putting together a band works the same way. No matter how much Prince loves what any of his former band members did/do, a lot of pieces have to fall into place to make it happen again.

Your trying to make Prince's thinking logical, where it is not. Prince would require they be black. And Eric Leeds is the only exception. I prefered Prince's mixed nationality Bands of te 80's. That in itself was an excellent statement.

On ting I will say, I have had Prince mad at me....and then later not be mad. I think he rethinks things a lot. Like he was mad at Paul Peterson, but he got over it. But that doesn't mean he would work with him again or help him (re. Cannot use The Family name).

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*sigh* Okay, I'll bite....Prince was mad at you for what?

PurpleLove7 said:

Genesia said:

I don't keep in touch with most of my former bosses, either.

Never thought of it that way but, he was their boss. The Revolution was more so, P's friends and you'd think that other musicians or artist that work with P would be friends with him. I don't think Miko or Levi or someone who didn't grow up with P would still be on speaking terms with him.

Some of these people that are mentioned originally weren't even hired to work with Prince directly(Levi started out working under Sheila E.). It's probably a misconception on the part of the fans of how close Prince was to certain individuals that worked for him. With the exception of Wendy & Lisa, Sheila E. and probably Kirk Johnson I never thought he was deeply involved with the band members to that level.

HonestMan13 said:

PurpleLove7 said:

Never thought of it that way but, he was their boss. The Revolution was more so, P's friends and you'd think that other musicians or artist that work with P would be friends with him. I don't think Miko or Levi or someone who didn't grow up with P would still be on speaking terms with him.

Some of these people that are mentioned originally weren't even hired to work with Prince directly(Levi started out working under Sheila E.). It's probably a misconception on the part of the fans of how close Prince was to certain individuals that worked for him. With the exception of Wendy & Lisa, Sheila E. and probably Kirk Johnson I never thought he was deeply involved with the band members to that level.

True ... You would think he would being with them so many years but, he is an enigma and oddity, not using that term to mean something negative ...

jone70 said:

Militant said:

I heard that Carmen slept with Tony, not Levi.

Tony was helping Carmen with her album at the time.

That would make zero sense as Levi Seacer Jr is the one who cowrote a lot of the shit on the album.

Money is always an issue with musicians. It's always been like that.

But as far as Wendy or Sheila, there was more than just working with Prince.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Really? Cause every "good" boss that I've seen is definately controlling in how he runs his business. That's how he makes things work. If you're too friendly with people, they don't respect you! Prince is boss first, friend second. I wrote my best friend up once because she came to work with her nose ring in and knew it was against policy, she laughed when I told her to take it out. Next thing she knew, I had her in the office signing her write up slip..she was cut 2 days off her pay! That's the way it goes in business.

I've sent friends home for showing up high, out of dress code, etc. And even had to fire a couple people. The guy over me at that job was such an egomania and I couldn't really stand him at work. But outside of work, loved him to death and spend holidays at his house with his family for 3 years straight. Prince did what he had to do. He's never had a problem with replacing a member, always a boat load of good guitar, piano, drums players that are eager to work with Prince.

A boss who runs a tight/strict ship is entirely different than one who is an egomaniacal control freak that must also control the lives and thoughts of those around him 24/7.

Even in your above scenario, the boss was apparently well-liked and an entirely different person outside of work... so how does that apply here? Prince was being a dick about what people were doing on their personal time.

How black is Tommy Barbarella? Or Renato Neto? Just sayin'...

EmancipationLover said:

Spinlight said:

jone70 said:

Tony was helping Carmen with her album at the time.

That would make zero sense as Levi Seacer Jr is the one who cowrote a lot of the shit on the album.

Actually, Tony M. is credited as co-writer on four of the songs on the album while Levi is only listed as co-writer on three: http://www.princevault.co...en_Electra

Believe what you want, but I've always heard that Tony and Carmen were sleeping together and it pissed Prince off so he booted Tony. Perhaps a resident (Boris, Langebleu, etc.) expert can confirm...

Genesia said:

Spinlight said:

You know, that's really just Prince having unnecessary power trips. It has nothing to do with being a boss. A boss isn't an egomaniac and Prince is.

Prince wanted to control damn near everyone and everything in his life (he still does). But obviously when Prince and the Revolution were paying dues on tour and Prince was still utilizing his band as creative forces for his music, it wasn't too cool to up and fire someone so you hit them where it hurts most - in the pocket. I imagine things got quite friendly around the block when Prince started dating Susannah (and even before then whilst he was living under the same roof as Lisa).

After the relative failures of ATWIAD and Parade to keep the same pace as Purple Rain and after his other media endeavors went belly up (UTCM, We Are the World, obstinance re: music videos/singles) it was probably a lot easier to stomach letting them go because he was already a star now (in large part, due to the band).

How many jobs have you had? The first boss I ever had was a total egomaniac.

last week a friend of mine who's doing an internship right now told me that he had a run in

with his boss about some work related issue.

he was absolutely right but the boss just wouldn't hear it. finally the boss just said "what is

the colour of that door?" it was blue. so my friend said "blue".

and the boss said "no it's red"

to which my friend said "huh? it's blue"

"no" said the boss "if i say it's red, it's red. because i'm the boss and i'm always right"

jone70 said:

Spinlight said:

That would make zero sense as Levi Seacer Jr is the one who cowrote a lot of the shit on the album.

Actually, Tony M. is credited as co-writer on four of the songs on the album while Levi is only listed as co-writer on three: http://www.princevault.co...en_Electra

Believe what you want, but I've always heard that Tony and Carmen were sleeping together and it pissed Prince off so he booted Tony. Perhaps a resident (Boris, Langebleu, etc.) expert can confirm...

Same. I've never heard of Carmen hooking up with Levi before, but I've heard the Tony M story on many an occasion. Plus, it would make sense that Prince would fire the person who was fucking Carmen, and it's well known that Tony was fired, but Levi was promoted to be one of the main people running Paisley Park Records, and he quit because the money was fucked up. That whole part about Levi clearing out his desk and quitting without saying anything to Prince is in Per's book.

Plus, Tony seems more Carmen's type lol. They were both rappers, lol.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

muskiediver said:

Your trying to make Prince's thinking logical, where it is not. Prince would require they be black. And Eric Leeds is the only exception. I prefered Prince's mixed nationality Bands of te 80's. That in itself was an excellent statement.

On ting I will say, I have had Prince mad at me....and then later not be mad. I think he rethinks things a lot. Like he was mad at Paul Peterson, but he got over it. But that doesn't mean he would work with him again or help him (re. Cannot use The Family name).

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*sigh* Okay, I'll bite....Prince was mad at you for what?

900 Line. Playing the black album on it. He stopped me from attending private Paisly Park concerts but then allowed me back after his security gaurd throurougly check my fur hat for a camera (I wore a Russian like fur cap to be a smart aleck, because I knew he did not wear animal fur, after he allowed me to stay, I quit wearing them.). He was watching. I smiled, he smiled back. He is a trip. And I guess I had the opportunity to know a side of him a lot don't see.

Fact: I never recorded any Prince concerts at ANYTIME. The only videotape I ever done of Prince was legitimately so duing his performance at Bunkers with Dr. Mambo's Combo's permission. But at the time, Prince always thought I was recording shows. Go figure!

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jone70 said:

Spinlight said:

That would make zero sense as Levi Seacer Jr is the one who cowrote a lot of the shit on the album.

Actually, Tony M. is credited as co-writer on four of the songs on the album while Levi is only listed as co-writer on three: http://www.princevault.co...en_Electra

Believe what you want, but I've always heard that Tony and Carmen were sleeping together and it pissed Prince off so he booted Tony. Perhaps a resident (Boris, Langebleu, etc.) expert can confirm...

lol, I believe you. Levi Seacer Jr sticks out in my head from discussions on Alt.Music.Prince, but I could be wrong!

muskiediver said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

*sigh* Okay, I'll bite....Prince was mad at you for what?

900 Line. Playing the black album on it. He stopped me from attending private Paisly Park concerts but then allowed me back after his security gaurd throurougly check my fur hat for a camera (I wore a Russian like fur cap to be a smart aleck, because I knew he did not wear animal fur, after he allowed me to stay, I quit wearing them.). He was watching. I smiled, he smiled back. He is a trip. And I guess I had the opportunity to know a side of him a lot don't see.

Fact: I never recorded any Prince concerts at ANYTIME. The only videotape I ever done of Prince was legitimately so duing his performance at Bunkers with Dr. Mambo's Combo's permission. But at the time, Prince always thought I was recording shows. Go figure!

I remember hearing a 1-900 number in 1993 or 4 and hearing a part of "What's My Name?"

Seems like that was a time when Prince was welcoming listening to a lot of new business/tech ideas from anyone contacting his office!

ufoclub said:

I remember hearing a 1-900 number in 1993 or 4 and hearing a part of "What's My Name?"

Seems like that was a time when Prince was welcoming listening to a lot of new business/tech ideas from anyone contacting his office!

wasn't there a 900 number as early as 86? I seem to remember listing to plans for a movie set in the Dirty Mind time frame. (could be something like the Second Coming?)

and all the PML (later the PPML) the real one not the digest and the AMP too!

UFO, that sounds correct. Whats My name was played on 1-900-776-1999 (don't call it, I am sure it's somethign else now).

It was cutting edge stuff like that, that got Prince irrate.

This was at a time when the internet was not popular, and Bulletin boards like Prodigy etc. Prince news was very limited.

OnlyNDaUsa I am not aware of a 900 line before then.

New Breed was a Prince fan club back during Dirty Mind.

And the Prince News List was published in alt.music.prince.