udo said:

Not just The Vault please, but an updated version with the years added since it was released.
In an extended version and/or extra book(s).
And yes, I would like to help if I can.

That ain't gonna happen so be happy there's already The Vault there.

Spinlight said:

udo said:

Not just The Vault please, but an updated version with the years added since it was released.
In an extended version and/or extra book(s).
And yes, I would like to help if I can.

That ain't gonna happen so be happy there's already The Vault there.

udo said:

Spinlight said:

That ain't gonna happen so be happy there's already The Vault there.

Why can't someone make that happen?
It just doesn't have to be Per.

He said as much to me. That if someone wants to continue the work, they're welcome to come to him for the research he's already done. But no one had at that time (earlier this year).

unique said:

pacey68 said:

Yeah I understand the Catch 22 situation... conversely, people had the opportunity to buy it when it was published. I recall pre-ordering a copy months before it was printed and I got a discount. The pre-orders most likely paid for the print run and if more had paid at the time there probably would have been more copies printed.

Don't get me wrong, I just wish he would re-release it in some format and be rewarded rather than people uploading scans of it and he makes nothing. As I mentioned in previous posts he could have an ebook on iBooks within a week and all he would need to pay for upfront is an eBook ISBN number.

Of course an eBook may end up getting pirated but I think the majority of folks on here would happily pay for it given the opportunity.

[Edited 11/28/10 18:39pm]

it's easy to say people had the opportunity to buy it in advance, but the book came out nearly 10 years ago. that's a long time ago. and as i mentioned before, it could be made available to buy without hassle as a paper reprint instead of copyable pdf file, and per could set his price high

Yeah, because since then, Prince has acquired more Prince fans since 2004, like me (in 2008), so we partially-new comers had missed out which wasn't our fault. I would love to have a copy for a reasonable, Vault-like price. Hope he takes this umpteenth convo into consideration

Let's first make the new-Vault interesting by adding a few months of info to it. In that case the new release might provide worthwhile info to a bigger audience, ensuring more sales.

So where did the Vault end?

What period did Per research on?

And where can we start?

First roughly: adding dates and short event descriptions.

Later we can make these into stories, add pictures, etc.

Maybe do it as a wiki and then make a book?

Or use the prince.org calender as a starting guide? (see http://prince.org/events/ )

bootleg the partially bootleg documenting book? It's a great infinite loop! Especially if Prince got a bootleg copy.

ufoclub said:

bootleg the partially bootleg documenting book? It's a great infinite loop! Especially if Prince got a bootleg copy.

That is a weird thing. People here share Prince boots all the time, but there's something wrong with sharing this? Seems totally odd to me.

Per Nielsen could, instead of doing a full repressing, just use something like lulu.com; which is a print on demand service. It woud cos about $20. bux to to print up. He could sell it for $45.00 and make a nice profit. Problem solved. Easy money for him.

You know he's just sitting on a PDF of it. I swear. Once I get a copy, I'm gonna UNLEASH that thing on the world as a service.

Efan said:

ufoclub said:

bootleg the partially bootleg documenting book? It's a great infinite loop! Especially if Prince got a bootleg copy.

That is a weird thing. People here share Prince boots all the time, but there's something wrong with sharing this? Seems totally odd to me.

Much more time and effort goes into writing a book. A bootleg of a concert takes little time and effort. Personally, I would like to see an official eBook release that Per/Uptown can get compensated for.

bonnie184 said:

Efan said:

That is a weird thing. People here share Prince boots all the time, but there's something wrong with sharing this? Seems totally odd to me.

Much more time and effort goes into writing a book. A bootleg of a concert takes little time and effort. Personally, I would like to see an official eBook release that Per/Uptown can get compensated for.

I think the comparison I was alluding to was the time it takes to produce, rehearse, and perform a concert or song by Prince and his staff.

PS: I bought a copy of The Vault when it came out and it's even signed by Per!

[Edited 11/29/10 21:43pm]

JudasLChrist said:

Per Nielsen could, instead of doing a full repressing, just use something like lulu.com; which is a print on demand service. It woud cos about $20. bux to to print up. He could sell it for $45.00 and make a nice profit. Problem solved. Easy money for him.

You know he's just sitting on a PDF of it. I swear. Once I get a copy, I'm gonna UNLEASH that thing on the world as a service.

that's the kind of service i've been recommending. and to get a book printed in the first place you need to start with an electronic copy like pdf to send to the printers

JudasLChrist said:

Per Nielsen could, instead of doing a full repressing, just use something like lulu.com; which is a print on demand service. It woud cos about $20. bux to to print up. He could sell it for $45.00 and make a nice profit. Problem solved. Easy money for him.

You know he's just sitting on a PDF of it. I swear. Once I get a copy, I'm gonna UNLEASH that thing on the world as a service.

Well, thats surely it then. Come on Per, you know it makes sense!

bonnie184 said:

Efan said:

That is a weird thing. People here share Prince boots all the time, but there's something wrong with sharing this? Seems totally odd to me.

Much more time and effort goes into writing a book. A bootleg of a concert takes little time and effort. Personally, I would like to see an official eBook release that Per/Uptown can get compensated for.

That's my take on it too.. it's different to sharing a boot of a live gig, it's more comparable to buying a pirated cd of an official album. Per isn't some millionaire rock star who can afford a few hundred copies of his work being leaked, that's why I suggested an eBook as he'd make some money and it could be on sale within a week.

Okay, besides the debate over the rights & wrongs of uploading scans of the book let me ask you all one question...

If he made the book available via a reasonably priced eBook would you buy it legally or wait for somebody to copy it to a filesharing site and acquire it by less honest methods?

I don't get all of this....

Why do you really need an updated Vault book, when there is princevault.com.,

which is imho a much better source of reference than the Vault ever was or will be.

(because it can get updated daily)

vc40 said:

I don't get all of this....

Why do you really need an updated Vault book, when there is princevault.com.,

which is imho a much better source of reference than the Vault ever was or will be.

(because it can get updated daily)

geeks/anoraks/trainspotters like things like books for lists. plus it's a lot easier to read a book on the bus/train to work or when travelling and not so convenient to access the internet. many people like myself don't like stuff like kindles either, but a pdf file is searchable

perhaps it's the layout and useability of princevault and other sites that isn't quite right for some people? the problem with websites is the layout can be right for some, but not for others, whereas with a book you just flick through pages

vc40 said:

I don't get all of this....

Why do you really need an updated Vault book, when there is princevault.com.,

which is imho a much better source of reference than the Vault ever was or will be.

(because it can get updated daily)

Can we get an offline copy?

pacey68 said:

Okay, besides the debate over the rights & wrongs of uploading scans of the book let me ask you all one question...

If he made the book available via a reasonably priced eBook would you buy it legally or wait for somebody to copy it to a filesharing site and acquire it by less honest methods?

If I had the money I would buy it.

udo said:

Can we get an offline copy?

I can browse it from my harddisk if I want, yes.

Not sure if that is what you mean?

Besides, what's the point? It gets updated almost daily.

[Edited 11/30/10 11:08am]

vc40 said:

I don't get all of this....

Why do you really need an updated Vault book, when there is princevault.com.,

which is imho a much better source of reference than the Vault ever was or will be.

(because it can get updated daily)

once it's complete, sure. until then, no. and it also doesn't give any context for the chronology of his career. that's what's great about The Vault. it provides information, but also provides the narrative in a documentarian way that puts the work and timeframe in context.

I have 2 of them 1st edition!!Ha!ha!

DMSRCMC12 said:

I have 2 of them 1st edition!!Ha!ha!

You only need one... prepare for the begging pm's

pacey68 said:

Okay, besides the debate over the rights & wrongs of uploading scans of the book let me ask you all one question...

If he made the book available via a reasonably priced eBook would you buy it legally or wait for somebody to copy it to a filesharing site and acquire it by less honest methods?

Absolutely would I buy it - no question.

[Edited 12/1/10 12:46pm]

pacey68 said:

Okay, besides the debate over the rights & wrongs of uploading scans of the book let me ask you all one question...

If he made the book available via a reasonably priced eBook would you buy it legally or wait for somebody to copy it to a filesharing site and acquire it by less honest methods?

I would rather pay for a nice fresh re-print than an eBook.

I have a copy of the book, but books are vulnerable, a back up copy would be nice.

TheDigitalGardener said:

pacey68 said:

Okay, besides the debate over the rights & wrongs of uploading scans of the book let me ask you all one question...

If he made the book available via a reasonably priced eBook would you buy it legally or wait for somebody to copy it to a filesharing site and acquire it by less honest methods?

I would rather pay for a nice fresh re-print than an eBook.

I have a copy of the book, but books are vulnerable, a back up copy would be nice.

just take it down to the corner shop and photocopy it, voila, one backup copy

unique said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

I would rather pay for a nice fresh re-print than an eBook.

I have a copy of the book, but books are vulnerable, a back up copy would be nice.

just take it down to the corner shop and photocopy it, voila, one backup copy

Haha, nice idea.

I think the photocopier in our local corner shop is under a pyramid of bog roll at the moment.

Quite creative with his stock is our Mohammed.

TheDigitalGardener said:

unique said:

just take it down to the corner shop and photocopy it, voila, one backup copy

Haha, nice idea.

I think the photocopier in our local corner shop is under a pyramid of bog roll at the moment.

Quite creative with his stock is our Mohammed.

i suppose he needs something to take his mind off the whole lady di thing

JudasLChrist said:

You know he's just sitting on a PDF of it. I swear. Once I get a copy, I'm gonna UNLEASH that thing on the world as a service.

udo said:

JudasLChrist said:

You know he's just sitting on a PDF of it. I swear. Once I get a copy, I'm gonna UNLEASH that thing on the world as a service.

So you see the book as a form of copyprotection?
Where can we get Per's work for the followup of the Vault?
We could add to that and make editions of e.g. 5 years each?

well the book has been out for about 8 years and no pdf copy is known to circulate, which is likely because someone who has the book wouldn't spend so much time scanning umpteen pages to let other people download it for free, particularly not if they were one of the people who spent daft money buying it second hand. some people have said they would do it, but no-one has let it out yet, so all talk and no action