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Preference maybe? I personally find Michael better than Prince. I guess it just depends... | |
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This is indeed just personal preference, cause the thing I cant get my head around is how many people on this board (Ok this is a Prince board, I get that..but still) find MJ just an average songwriter and producer. I get the idea that many overhere are stuck with the idea that MJ wouldn't be this big without Thriller and Quincy Jones. I mean if you listen to pieces like Little Susie or Will You Be There, those are just killer tracks imo.
Maybe people should just stop comparing the two with each other, cause even tough many Prince fans like MJ's music and vice versa, they both make totally different music. Why can't one be just a fan of both without having to choose which one is the best. > | |
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yes but prince is CLEARLY a true artist....mj was a big pop star...talented yes...but not comparable to prince..i suppose some people just prefer lightweight pop music to true brilliance...i liked mj as well ....i just cant understand how someone can be a huge prince fan and prefer mj ???...... | |
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You ask this question because at 14 you know fuck all. | |
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i agree with blackbob, mj cant even b compared to prince!!!! he definatly wasnt as smart, or as talented as prince is in alot of ways! [Edited 11/26/10 18:30pm] Don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
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No, they aren't totally different artists. They were 2 of the biggest pop stars of the 80s. Michael being a musician as a child has nothing to do with his fame as an adult. Which is why it took Thriller to change that. Off the Wall didn't do it!
If one takes as much time as I have to watch both artists throughout the years, you will see that other than Prince playing the guitar...the 2 are quite similar. They dance very similar..and I've even had a few
So no, they aren't completely different. The 2 of them are more alike and connected than you or I know...Not to mention all the other things about them outside of music that is similar... Prince is GORGEOUS. I'm inspired. GOD is GREAT. Is there anything else to say? lol | |
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moments when I saw that they did some the EXACT same moves.
Michael was more an entertainer then a musician. Great vocals, very good catchy songwriting and top class dancing. But his skills on instrument/s were most likely average or below average unlike prince who is a master multiinstrumentalist.
MJ made commercial music, had heavy promotion and usually tried doing the same thing over and over again. While he showed musical growth on Thriller compared to OTW, listen to Bad and notice how many similarities it has with thriller.
Prince was different. Aside from Purple rain, his main intention was not to be the most commercially successfull but to constantly experiment with new music. A 80's prince albums usually had 1-3 "radio hits" but he was constantly evolving and trying new things. Listen to dirty mind, then 1999, then purple rain, then sign. All of them are different from each other.
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I personally can't believe how many people equate shyness to rude, mean, stuck-up, or anything else nasty. Damn, people are shy, what's the big deal. The man comes alive when he's on stage because that's what gives him his confidence. So what if he isn't comfortable being on camera talking. I swear this world loves media-junkie morons who will do anything to get on tv. Prince may be shy and reserve to strangers, but everyone that knows him says he's really fun! And you can tell he has a good heart.. Prince is GORGEOUS. I'm inspired. GOD is GREAT. Is there anything else to say? lol | |
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Jimi was NEVER the king of Rock and Roll! Elvis was and always will be... Prince is GORGEOUS. I'm inspired. GOD is GREAT. Is there anything else to say? lol | |
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As a lifelong MJ fan, I have to say that MJ was brillant in many, many things. MJ has amazing songs that he wrote all by himself. But the truth of the matter is, most songs that we have of MJ that are amazing, are written by him and another person, be it Teddy Riley, Quincy Jones, or whoever. And he didn't produce himself, that's a fact. HE had help. And while MJ was a darn good piano player, that's all he could play.
Prince plays MANY instruments and is one of the only artist I knows that will make a complete album and play ALL the instruments himself, not to mention write all the songs, do the all the vocals, produce it, etc. Prince = music! The man is amazing. And if he did work with a choreographer, like MJ did, he'd be a better dancer, but I don't think this is his focus. I hate to admit it, but looking at in reality, MJ was a product of the media and record companies taking a personality and blowing it up to sell records...not much difference than say a Brittney Spears or Taylor Swift. This won't ever cause my love for MJ to waiver, as I love MJ the man too. And after recent discoveries, I'm not even sure if/when we were seeing the real MJ at times!
Once we take out all the outside help MJ got, what are we left with? We don't have an answer to that. With Prince we do....what are we left with? A genius. Prince is GORGEOUS. I'm inspired. GOD is GREAT. Is there anything else to say? lol | |
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How did this thread get that astray?
The question was: Why doesn't Prince get enought respect?
Now we're comparing him to Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is the "KING OF POP", period. Prince is SO FAR from being number two in this game, can you dig that? It's like you're saying "if it wasn't Michael Jackson it would be Prince who'd be King Of Pop", that's why you're comparing the two of them, right? What a nonsense...
Ask people on the streets who's on top of the game, you'll get MANY different answers. Prince is not even going to make it top 20... | |
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people on the streets listen to britney spears and have no clue what good music is, nor do they know a great deal about prince's catalogue. Prince doesnt need to be "king of pop", he's the most gifted solo musician of the past 30 years and is much more then just pop. | |
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Whose respect? The critics and other musicians? He is incredibly well respected in that circle. The mass public? WHy does he need their respect? | |
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i point is if you recognise prince musicial genius ...how can you prefer michael jackson ?...yes mj was hugely popular but prince was and is TOO GOOD to be hugely popular for any period of time....yes he was the biggest selling music star in 1984 but as soon as released 'around the world in a day'....your average music fan who wouldnt know good music if it slapped them on the face...moved on to the next big thing... . if you look at music history...the greatest music hasnt been the biggest selling in general....the beatles are the exception to that rule in the 60s but ..in general...its usually crap that sells well.... . michael jackson was a talented pop star but if you are comparing him to prince on overall musicial talent.....michael jackson doesnt compare to prince.... | |
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Because he doesn't deserve it...
Prince is widely known as a mad, unreliable genius...and I kinda agree...
he has produced crap, he has produced marvelous songs/albums...  | |
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Do you really feel the need to shove your opinion down our throats. Whatever you say is not gonna change what we think, so... | |
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if you've made music for 32 years, you are bound to make crap at some point. | |
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its not an opinion...its a fact ?...mj doesnt compare to prince when it comes to raw musicial talent......mj was the bigger star...yes....mj was the bigger seller...yes...mj was the better dancer....yes....you could argue....i suppose...about who was/is the better songwriter...but when it comes to music skills...prince is way better....and the music critics around the world agree ...hey...i like mj...thriller is one of the great albums of all time....you listen to what you want but facts are facts... . . The Top 10 Artists of the 80s....as compiled from music critic lists www.acclaimedmusic.net
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im gonna have a think about 54 million copies of one album sold (and counting) and then i'll have a think about how 'similar' prince and michael are lol - thanks for your opinion though.
anyway, on topic, i think prince doesnt get the respect he 'deserves', because he is a jackass.
no one respects a jackass, except other jackasses. maybe he could start a jackass club with donkey ears for a logo.
i know plenty of people who respect him as a musician though, but as a person? forget it.
no one with any brains takes him seriously. this too shall pass | |
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My take (written before MJ's passing):
Prince and Michael Jackson are my 2 favorite musicians/artists/performers. As a huge fan of both, let me give you 10 reasons that I like Prince better.
1. Prince has more music. Prince simply has a ton more music than MJ for his fans to listen to. Some will argue that MJ has less "crappy music" and that he has a better filter however, besides being a totally subjective statement, this is simply not true. Pound for pound, MJ has made just as much "average" music as Prince has. As a fan of both, I am happy to have stacks of Prince Albums and sad to have roughly 6 legit MJ albums since 1979. Waiting 5+ years between MJ albums sucks and lately it hasn't been worth the wait (Invincible). If I don't like Prince's latest album, within a year or so I'll have a new one.
2. It is arguable who is a better live performer. Critics and fans alike both herald Prince and MJ as two of the best showman ever. Take your pick. That being said, Prince Concerts are more "live" than MJ. Prince's shows are not as rehearsed and are more spontaneous-the energy is different. Plus, Prince's live show is not the same as it has been since 1988. The fact is that, they are both great and you cannot definitively say one is head and shoulders above the other in this regard. MJ cannot work an audience like Prince. Prince's shows are more audience involving than MJ. MJ's shows are like going to a movie. It's a performance that could happen the same no matter the audience. Because of the nature of his concerts, Prince always takes the crowd into account and his concerts change based on the crowd. When did MJ last let audience members (who weren't planted groupies) up onstage to dance? Prince has an actual band that he leads, guides, and plays with. MJ just has hired musicians put together for a tour. Sheryl Crow used to play with him and was quoted as saying that MJ didn't know her name. I assure you, Prince knows his band.
3. It is easier to defend Prince's actions. Hey Prince changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol-super weird right? However, it is rock star weird. MJ used to just be rock star weird, now he is scary and creepy weird. MJ's personal life has overshadowed his art, and forced his music to take a back seat to his circus and court appearances.
4. Prince evolves. Don't get me wrong, as a fan of MJ I realize he has grown as an artist. However, every one of his albums is chasing after "Thriller", both in style, and in sales figures. Prince is not constantly trying to top, redo, outdo, or copy "Purple Rain". MJ got himself in a rut.
5. Prince has more variety to his music. Sure, MJ's pop sweeps over different genres, but not as aggressively as Prince does it. When was the last time MJ did a solo acoustic guitar album? A solo piano album? An instrumental album? A blues rock album? A jazz/funk album? Not only does Prince do different types of music from album to album. Often, he'll do it from song to song on one album. Hardly anyone crosses genres as effectively as Prince. MJ definitely does not.
6. Prince is more true to himself musically. Lately, MJ has gotten into the habit of hiring a load of "hot" producers to give him the latest sound, but it makes MJ's music seem contrived, forced, and not authentic. Even, when Prince is biting new trends he still sounds like Prince. He sounds authentic. You might not like Prince's rapping, but "pussy control" is an authentic club anthem whether you like it or not. MJ singing things like "2000 Watts" seems artificial and forced-it's hard to believe MJ feels what he is singing.
7. Prince is more accessible to his fans. I know this sounds weird, but Prince often opens up his recording studios for his fans to tour- as MJ does with Neverland. However, the difference is the fact that Prince will often do intimate late night shows at his place with a few hundred fans. These gigs used to cost maybe $7. Often they were free. Prince casually walks amongst the crowd at these shows and just hangs out. I bet you'd be hard pressed to name another "reclusive" superstar of Prince's magnitude that allows his hardcore fans to get so close.
8. Prince's lyrical themes are more varied and more mature. How many monster and ghost songs can MJ do? How many of us still relate to that? Prince's music is often accused of being all sexual, but the fact is that his relationship based lyrics are more complex than MJ, more sincere, and more believable. Love, romance, sex, and God are questions and themes that all humans ask and deal with. Prince explores these themes with authenticity and an understanding that MJ has rarely, if ever, been able to capture. Prince also can do the fantastical, kid's stuff-look at the "batman" album. That album was fairly complex and mature for a superhero album.
9. Onstage- Prince sings. Prince dances. Prince plays guitar. Prince plays piano/keyboard. Prince plays drums. Prince plays bass guitar.
Onstage-MJ dances, MJ sings. We MJ fans often argue that he does these better than anyone else. That is opinion.
Fact is- Prince does more onstage than MJ. He does all of these really really well. Better singer and dancer than MJ? Some think so. However, without a doubt Prince is more varied onstage than MJ.
10. Prince has hot female backup dancers. MJ's back up dancers seem like Madonna's leftovers.
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If you want to I can come up with a list for why MJ is better than Prince. It really goes both ways tbh. Second of all, it really doesn't matter who has more music. Quality triumphs over quantity. | |
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1. If you want to, go ahead. I feel like perhaps you didn't read my post completely. Obviously, it's just my opinion. I dont think anything I said is way off base or anything. I am die hard fans of both, but I lean towards Prince as my favorite. I would love to see a top ten list leaning the other way. Maybe I'll reconsider my own opinions.
2. Quality is subjective, quantity is not.
As I said, I only wish MJ had more music. I've heard everything out there. With Prince, it is damn near impossible to hear everything including bootlegs, etc.
Also, as a huge fan of both, I maintain that Michael never made an album as good as Purple Rain or Sign O' The Times. Again, that's just my opinion. Hit me with your top 10 list...I look forward to it. [Edited 11/27/10 20:42pm] "New Power slide...." |
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The answer to your question is Prince DOES get the respect that he DESERVES. Now, for the the question "Who is better, Michael or Prince?" It's all based on OPINION. I like Michael better because of the way that his music makes me FEEL. I like Michael, the man, the artist, better. That doesn't take away from the fact that Prince is an awesome musician. His songs just don't touch me or make me feel the same as Michael's songs do. People need to get over the fact that some people DO prefer Michael over Prince, just as some prefer Prince over Michael. I have been to concerts by both artists, have albums by both and STILL prefer Michael over Prince. It's like saying why some people prefer Mozart over Beethoven. It is a personal OPINION or PREFERENCE, | |
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It would also help if you would get your FACTS straight before you start ACCUSING people of things that you have no knowledge of. Stop being a tabloid junkie and RESEARCH. Your negative opinion of Michael's personal life should have shit to do with your prefering Prince. Hopefully, you will GROW UP (it has nothing to do with age) and learn that in life about everything. You don't have to be negative or tear down another artist, in order to prefer or like someone else. I am not a Prince FAN, however, I don't have to tear him down in order to be a MJ fan. Strange that Michael fans don't ususally tear Prince down, just because they prefer Michael. In fact, MJ fans show Prince respect. Could it be because Michael ALWAYS showed respect to EVERYONE and didn't feel the NEED to tear anyone up, in order to build himself up? It's something that should make some of you think. [Edited 11/27/10 23:14pm] [Edited 11/27/10 23:19pm] | |
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i think its time to lock this thread | |
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18 or 8? | |
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This thread got annoying so fast.. | |
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I'm gonna respond to your post instead of making my own.
1. I can give you some of this one. Michael, for some odd reason, felt the need to take a long time between albums while Prince released album after album, giving us more variety and choice. Michael, however, does have less crappy music as Prince. During the 90's there was a point where Prince was releasing crap album after crap album. Because Michael took time between his albums it is harder to find crap music. Michael's albums usually consisted of a few great songs, 1 or 2 crappy songs, and the rest good songs.
2. This point is purely based on opinion. I'm not sure if you know this, but girls were allowed onto the stage during the Dangerous and HIStory tours. The Sheryl Crow point is void because she has also said some crap before that just isn't true. But, having said that, I will give you this point. Michael's live shows got...boring after a while. Lip-syncing, the same old thing time after time, basically the same setlist (something that Prince is suffering from now). At his peak (Bad Tour), Michael was unstoppable. But things changed.
3. You were doing fine until you said this. Just because Prince is easier to defend does not mean that he is a better musician. You have to remember that Michael was a tortured soul. If your Father beat you everytime you made a mistake, made you practice singing hours on end, didn't let you call him Dad, locked you in closets while he went and had sex, wouldn't you be tortured? If your brothers had sex in the same room as you while you pretended to go to sleep, if your brothers and your Father called you ugly when they knew that you didn't like your face, wouldn't you want to change yourself? If you had the whole world watching your every movement, calling you names, making up names, wouldn't you become "scary and creepy weird". If you got accused of the worst allegations ever and the whole world believed that you did it, wouldn't you be tortured? If you had a life like that then there is no chance in hell that you would turn out "normal". Just because Prince had it relatively easy does not mean that he is the better artist.
4. Michael has evolved as well. Your point that "Michael has always been chasing after Thriller" is invalid. What part of Thriller sounds like HIStory? Michael definitely evolved over the years, he has not been stuck in a rut.
5. It is true that Prince has more variety in his music. But do not limit Michael to the title "pop artist". What part of these songs are pop: Little Susie Give In To Me Who Is It Will You Be There Heal The World Gone Too Soon Childhood Stranger In Moscow They Don't Care About Us Money Earth Song The Lost Children HIStory MorphineSpeechless Is It Scary Beautiful Girl In The Back You Are My Life Whatever Happens
Although Mike did make quite a bit of pop music, he did not stick to that one genre. Michael was also working on a classical album before he died, but something obviously got in the way of that.
6. Just because Michael hired hot producers doesn't mean that his music is contrived. Michael Jackson knows what he wants. He is not a puppet that is pushed around by others (when it comes to music anyways). He knows what he wants and he gets it done. Anyways, a Prince fan should be the last person to talk about forced and contrived music. Listen to some of his 90's music and some of his 00's music and you will find heaps of music that just follows trends. Is Prince doing "Chocolate Box" staying true to himself?
7. Again, this point has nothing to do with Prince's or Michael's artistic value. So what if Prince is more accessible to his fans? He's also more bitchy to them.
8. I am not going to cover this one too much, because I could go on and on about the genius of Michael's lyrics. Prince may be a great lyricist, but let's not devalue Michael's ability. Listen to the lyrics of these songs: Who Is It Will You Be There They Don't Care About Us Stranger In Moscow Money Tabloid Junkie Morphine Ghosts Is It Scary
By the way, Michael's "monster" songs aren't always about monsters. Is It Scary and Ghosts are about the 1993 allegations. It really depends on whose "style" you prefer I guess. I personally feel that Prince is a stronger lyricist, but let's not belittle Michael's lyrics while praising Prince's.
9. We've been here before. It's not what you do man, it's how you do it. And that is why, though Prince sings and dances and plays instruments, the energy that Michael puts into his performances is enough to make him a formidable foe. Just because Prince does more does not make him better. Quality over quantity.
10. How exactly does this have anything to do with artistic value. Looks are purely opinionated. Who care's what the back round dancers look like, the point is to enjoy the show, not the attractiveness of the dancer behind the star.
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one of the reasons why i will never be a big michael jackson fan...... ' EARTH SONG '
. give me ' jughead ' any day of the week rather than having to listen to that... | |
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Earth Song is great. Now Jughead on the other hand...