I know I need to turn in my purple card or maye just have it suspended but I never found out who was playing Sophie on the long version of Kiss. The "housewife" of Sol (Prince) who is calling Prince the "strangest looking thing" as if they are watching Prince on television.

One thing for sure is that though Prince had that stoic enigma thing going on onstage in the 80's, this dude was/is a clown. He spoke of this in that 1958 RS "Prince Talks" article regarding of "sickness" slang for doing some of the silly things he and his camp put on wax. This one always got to me because I know the character that he was playing was doing part of that Edde Murphy "you know what it is?" father schtick. I loved how he poked fun at himself on this none. He seemd t be self aware of how the general public looked at him and felt about him.

Okay sorry for the turnoff but who was doing that female lead of Sophie? I dont see it on the credits on the jacket etc. and I searched online.

Jill Jones

Also - They are doing the couple from All In The Family.

Spinlight said:

Jill Jones

whoah! Thanks!

xlr8r said:

Spinlight said:

Jill Jones

whoah! Thanks!

NP - Pull out your copy of "Vibrator" too. Play both her parts back to back. Her accent is pretty thick, even when she tries to affect a different one (on "Kiss").

Spinlight said:

Also - They are doing the couple from All In The Family.

hahah she does SOUND like Edith but Soph seems creul to ediths good heartedness.

And Prince doesnt sound/come off as Archie but ah well Ill buy that.

Is this written anywhere? I have DOW book and Turn It Up but its packed in a closet.

Spinlight said:

xlr8r said:

whoah! Thanks!

NP - Pull out your copy of "Vibrator" too. Play both her parts back to back. Her accent is pretty thick, even when she tries to affect a different one (on "Kiss").

I thought that was Vanity on Vibrator...the spoken Body Messager portions. Now it all makes sense. It does seem a bit different than Vanity's spoken pronunciations/voice inflections on The Walk.

hmmm, thought it was Susannah

According to princevault.com, Jill Jones provides the "dialogue on extended version."

Here's the link: http://www.princevault.co...x.php/Kiss

errant said:

hmmm, thought it was Susannah

'Tis Jill.

xlr8r said:

Spinlight said:

Also - They are doing the couple from All In The Family.

hahah she does SOUND like Edith but Soph seems creul to ediths good heartedness.

And Prince doesnt sound/come off as Archie but ah well Ill buy that.

Is this written anywhere? I have DOW book and Turn It Up but its packed in a closet.

I don't think its written anywhere, I just assumed that the jewish voice was a direct reference to Edith, its like SPOT on, lol. You're right though, Prince doesn't sound a thing like Archie, but its entirely possible either they were both just doing stereotypically jewish middle america or they were doing the bunkers and P is just a bad voice actor. LOL.

And yeah, you can also see the comparison in the intro to "Mia Bocca" when she is reciting the lyrics to "Baby, You're A Trip"... She has a pretty distinct voice, its like a blend of Susannah and Vanity.

Spinlight said:

xlr8r said:

hahah she does SOUND like Edith but Soph seems creul to ediths good heartedness.

And Prince doesnt sound/come off as Archie but ah well Ill buy that.

Is this written anywhere? I have DOW book and Turn It Up but its packed in a closet.

I don't think its written anywhere, I just assumed that the jewish voice was a direct reference to Edith, its like SPOT on, lol. You're right though, Prince doesn't sound a thing like Archie, but its entirely possible either they were both just doing stereotypically jewish middle america or they were doing the bunkers and P is just a bad voice actor. LOL.

And yeah, you can also see the comparison in the intro to "Mia Bocca" when she is reciting the lyrics to "Baby, You're A Trip"... She has a pretty distinct voice, its like a blend of Susannah and Vanity.

"sterotypically jewish middle america" is a bit of an oxymoron.

it's more of a bad charicature of a New York accent than a Jewish one.

errant said:

Spinlight said:

I don't think its written anywhere, I just assumed that the jewish voice was a direct reference to Edith, its like SPOT on, lol. You're right though, Prince doesn't sound a thing like Archie, but its entirely possible either they were both just doing stereotypically jewish middle america or they were doing the bunkers and P is just a bad voice actor. LOL.

And yeah, you can also see the comparison in the intro to "Mia Bocca" when she is reciting the lyrics to "Baby, You're A Trip"... She has a pretty distinct voice, its like a blend of Susannah and Vanity.

"sterotypically jewish middle america" is a bit of an oxymoron.

it's more of a bad charicature of a New York accent than a Jewish one.

How is that an oxymoron?

Edit: And where do you think that NY accent came from?

[Edited 11/11/10 15:49pm]

Spinlight said:

errant said:

"sterotypically jewish middle america" is a bit of an oxymoron.

it's more of a bad charicature of a New York accent than a Jewish one.

How is that an oxymoron?

Edit: And where do you think that NY accent came from?

[Edited 11/11/10 15:49pm]

you can't get more middle America than where I live and there isn't a lot of Judaism around these parts.

Spinlight said:

xlr8r said:

hahah she does SOUND like Edith but Soph seems creul to ediths good heartedness.

And Prince doesnt sound/come off as Archie but ah well Ill buy that.

Is this written anywhere? I have DOW book and Turn It Up but its packed in a closet.

I don't think its written anywhere, I just assumed that the jewish voice was a direct reference to Edith, its like SPOT on, lol. You're right though, Prince doesn't sound a thing like Archie, but its entirely possible either they were both just doing stereotypically jewish middle america or they were doing the bunkers and P is just a bad voice actor. LOL.

And yeah, you can also see the comparison in the intro to "Mia Bocca" when she is reciting the lyrics to "Baby, You're A Trip"... She has a pretty distinct voice, its like a blend of Susannah and Vanity.

Well unfortunatey your assuming is... bad news...Edith's character, and the whole Bunker family were NOT jewish...but Protestant. ...HUGE DIFFERENCE OBVIOUSLY... Had you ever even seen an episode? I guess we are back to square one with this question. NICE SWING sPINLIGHT!!

lotusboy said:

Spinlight said:

I don't think its written anywhere, I just assumed that the jewish voice was a direct reference to Edith, its like SPOT on, lol. You're right though, Prince doesn't sound a thing like Archie, but its entirely possible either they were both just doing stereotypically jewish middle america or they were doing the bunkers and P is just a bad voice actor. LOL.

And yeah, you can also see the comparison in the intro to "Mia Bocca" when she is reciting the lyrics to "Baby, You're A Trip"... She has a pretty distinct voice, its like a blend of Susannah and Vanity.

Well unfortunatey your assuming is... bad news...Edith's character, and the whole Bunker family were NOT jewish...but Protestant. ...HUGE DIFFERENCE OBVIOUSLY... Had you ever even seen an episode? I guess we are back to square one with this question. NICE SWING sPINLIGHT!!

I could care less what their religious beliefs are, but her voice is clearly a Jewish-inspired dialect. That "NY accent" people discuss was primarily derived from Jewish and Italian dialects.

Your turn.

errant said:

Spinlight said:

How is that an oxymoron?

Edit: And where do you think that NY accent came from?

[Edited 11/11/10 15:49pm]

you can't get more middle America than where I live and there isn't a lot of Judaism around these parts.

The term "middle America" is a generic term for average families. I'm not inferring that there are lots of jews in the bible belt or wherever "middle America" actually is located.

I presumed you were thinking it was an oxymoron for other reasons. But those accents from New York and whatnot are partly derived from Jewish dialects. This is why stereotypical Jewish accents (like the one Jill Jones uses) can be compared to Edith Bunker. Does this infer Edith is jewish? No. It infers she picked up a local dialect that borrowed from jewish dialects.

Spinlight said:

lotusboy said:

Well unfortunatey your assuming is... bad news...Edith's character, and the whole Bunker family were NOT jewish...but Protestant. ...HUGE DIFFERENCE OBVIOUSLY... Had you ever even seen an episode? I guess we are back to square one with this question. NICE SWING sPINLIGHT!!

I could care less what their religious beliefs are, but her voice is clearly a Jewish-inspired dialect. That "NY accent" people discuss was primarily derived from Jewish and Italian dialects.

Your turn.

You must be referring to the Bronx accent they have...the Bunkers were Irish. Just wanted to avoid any serious stereotyping...but on the "kiss" recording in question, the roles are definitely NOT modeled after the All in the Family characters. Just so you know. check..mate.

lotusboy said:

Spinlight said:

I could care less what their religious beliefs are, but her voice is clearly a Jewish-inspired dialect. That "NY accent" people discuss was primarily derived from Jewish and Italian dialects.

Your turn.

You must be referring to the Bronx accent they have...the Bunkers were Irish. Just wanted to avoid any serious stereotyping...but on the "kiss" recording in question, the roles are definitely NOT modeled after the All in the Family characters. Just so you know. check..mate.

Who are they modeled after?

Spinlight said:

lotusboy said:

You must be referring to the Bronx accent they have...the Bunkers were Irish. Just wanted to avoid any serious stereotyping...but on the "kiss" recording in question, the roles are definitely NOT modeled after the All in the Family characters. Just so you know. check..mate.

Who are they modeled after?

mainstream biggoted and easily shocked americans, at that time.

lotusboy said:

Spinlight said:

Who are they modeled after?

mainstream biggoted and easily shocked americans, at that time.

So, All in the Family.

Spinlight said:

lotusboy said:

mainstream biggoted and easily shocked americans, at that time.

So, All in the Family.

they were not mainstream...and they were in the 70s...but lets agree about 50% All in the Family and 50% a generalized characture..Archie Bunker was not the typical american in the 80s..

Spinlight said:

errant said:

you can't get more middle America than where I live and there isn't a lot of Judaism around these parts.

The term "middle America" is a generic term for average families. I'm not inferring that there are lots of jews in the bible belt or wherever "middle America" actually is located.

I presumed you were thinking it was an oxymoron for other reasons. But those accents from New York and whatnot are partly derived from Jewish dialects. This is why stereotypical Jewish accents (like the one Jill Jones uses) can be compared to Edith Bunker. Does this infer Edith is jewish? No. It infers she picked up a local dialect that borrowed from jewish dialects.

there are several variations of New York accents dereived from several ethnicities including Jewish, Italian, Irish, etc. the one Jill Jones is employing in her dialogue here isn't a particularly "Jewish" version of it.

as for "middle America" you would be better served using terms that describe what you mean if you're making some kind of point about who the stereotypical charicatures that are being portrayed in this skit are. saying that these New York accents are "sterotypically jewish middle america" is a contradiction.

errant said:

Spinlight said:

The term "middle America" is a generic term for average families. I'm not inferring that there are lots of jews in the bible belt or wherever "middle America" actually is located.

I presumed you were thinking it was an oxymoron for other reasons. But those accents from New York and whatnot are partly derived from Jewish dialects. This is why stereotypical Jewish accents (like the one Jill Jones uses) can be compared to Edith Bunker. Does this infer Edith is jewish? No. It infers she picked up a local dialect that borrowed from jewish dialects.

there are several variations of New York accents dereived from several ethnicities including Jewish, Italian, Irish, etc. the one Jill Jones is employing in her dialogue here isn't a particularly "Jewish" version of it.

as for "middle America" you would be better served using terms that describe what you mean if you're making some kind of point about who the stereotypical charicatures that are being portrayed in this skit are. saying that these New York accents are "sterotypically jewish middle america" is a contradiction.

Thats what Im saying.. case closed. Spinlight u are free to go. next case please.

errant said:

Spinlight said:

The term "middle America" is a generic term for average families. I'm not inferring that there are lots of jews in the bible belt or wherever "middle America" actually is located.

I presumed you were thinking it was an oxymoron for other reasons. But those accents from New York and whatnot are partly derived from Jewish dialects. This is why stereotypical Jewish accents (like the one Jill Jones uses) can be compared to Edith Bunker. Does this infer Edith is jewish? No. It infers she picked up a local dialect that borrowed from jewish dialects.

there are several variations of New York accents dereived from several ethnicities including Jewish, Italian, Irish, etc. the one Jill Jones is employing in her dialogue here isn't a particularly "Jewish" version of it.

as for "middle America" you would be better served using terms that describe what you mean if you're making some kind of point about who the stereotypical charicatures that are being portrayed in this skit are. saying that these New York accents are "sterotypically jewish middle america" is a contradiction.

You seem to be missing the point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...le_America

You're welcome.

And as a jewish person, I assure you I'm aware of what a jewish NY accent sounds like.

[Edited 11/12/10 17:08pm]

lotusboy said:

errant said:

there are several variations of New York accents dereived from several ethnicities including Jewish, Italian, Irish, etc. the one Jill Jones is employing in her dialogue here isn't a particularly "Jewish" version of it.

as for "middle America" you would be better served using terms that describe what you mean if you're making some kind of point about who the stereotypical charicatures that are being portrayed in this skit are. saying that these New York accents are "sterotypically jewish middle america" is a contradiction.

Thats what Im saying.. case closed. Spinlight u are free to go. next case please.

*yawn*

If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit.

jone70 said:

According to princevault.com, Jill Jones provides the "dialogue on extended version."

Here's the link: http://www.princevault.co...x.php/Kiss

She also provided backing vocals on the long version

All in the Family?

She's clearly imitating Mrs. Kravitz from Bewitched.

Spinlight said:

lotusboy said:

Thats what Im saying.. case closed. Spinlight u are free to go. next case please.

*yawn*

If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit.

sleepyhead.

lotusboy said:

Spinlight said:

*yawn*

If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit.

sleepyhead.

I know!