quote Volkskrant Holland:

If the new work means that much to you, why do you play

evening to evening the same old work from the eighties?

Beacause that's what the public comes for??????. I know that my recent

work is less popular. So if there are 15.000 people here tonight in

the arena, I'm not gonna be obstinate. Do you think it's cool to come

to a party where the DJ is playing unknown music very loudly for

the entire evening?

eYe'm goining 2 the concert in Arnhem 18 nov. 2010 and eYe wish Prince plays some new music eYe'm lissing 2 for the last 15 years. Yeah, oké my parents how are coming with me would like the old music from the 80's (and eYe like it 2), but i wish HE would play something new: feel beter, feel good, feel wonderful - Musicology - cinnamon girl - 3121 - fury - get on the boat - planet earth - guitar - chelsea rodgers - colonized mind - wall of berlin - o'l skool company and so on, so on...!!

And if it's just to practice 4 the USA tour you beter do something NEW stuff or M eYe 2 dead 2 see!

p.s. love prince till the dawn... and in the new order!!!

prince concerts are "like a big party where everyone is wearing the same clothes"

I'm sorry. I have no idea what you said.

NEWWORLDse said:

quote Volkskrant Holland:

Do you think it's cool to cometo a party where the DJ is playing unknown music very loudly for

the entire evening?

Turn the clock back to 1995........

Wow, did someone pluck up the courage to be honest to Prince?!

Sounds like P has come to terms with the times.

He has recently played at least three of your wish list!!!

On one hand, I totally get it. As has been said many times before, we represent only a small fraction of the Prince-concert-goer population, and the majority are almost certainly wanting to hear his "greatest hits".

That's I guess why the preshows/aftershows/just-cozshows are so sought after, because Prince knows that he's playing to the die-hards and can mix it up a lot more.

On the other hand though, something that presumably has helped to keep those big hits so popular is the fact that they keep getting played at concerts...which means that the newer stuff is not really being given a chance to gain more popularity because in many cases there was little to no marketing for the albums in the first place and subsequently very few live performances of the songs.

It also doesn't explain all of the covers...eg. why is a "greatest hits" Prince fan more likely to know a GCS song than, say, Musicology?

How about he leaves the hits in, and mixes them up with his more recent work, rather than other peoples' legacy tracks?

That way, in ten years, his tours can be progressing through the decades because people remember the newer work, rather than still wanting to hear 1999, LRC, etc...

Chiquetet said:

On one hand, I totally get it. As has been said many times before, we represent only a small fraction of the Prince-concert-goer population, and the majority are almost certainly wanting to hear his "greatest hits".

That's I guess why the preshows/aftershows/just-cozshows are so sought after, because Prince knows that he's playing to the die-hards and can mix it up a lot more.

On the other hand though, something that presumably has helped to keep those big hits so popular is the fact that they keep getting played at concerts...which means that the newer stuff is not really being given a chance to gain more popularity because in many cases there was little to no marketing for the albums in the first place and subsequently very few live performances of the songs.

It also doesn't explain all of the covers...eg. why is a "greatest hits" Prince fan more likely to know a GCS song than, say, Musicology?

How about he leaves the hits in, and mixes them up with his more recent work, rather than other peoples' legacy tracks?

That way, in ten years, his tours can be progressing through the decades because people remember the newer work, rather than still wanting to hear 1999, LRC, etc...

Prince's fans have always been more savvy at business decisions or creative with marketing ideas than the artist himself.

robinhood said:

prince concerts are "like a big party where everyone is wearing the same clothes"

prince concerts are a big party

i dont know what it is but something about his concerts gives me a party vibe

i feel very involved, even behind a computer screen

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PicklesMcMillan said:

robinhood said:

prince concerts are "like a big party where everyone is wearing the same clothes"

prince concerts are a big party

i dont know what it is but something about his concerts gives me a party vibe

i feel very involved, even behind a computer screen

This is the same anwer I always give; more of one, less of the other. He doesn't need to do the same hits jukebox on every tour. "So many hits, so li..." yeah, yeah! We get it! Mix in more album tracks, dang it. How many times have you heard a Prince song live and loved it even though it wasn't a favorite on an album? Sure, play some hits, but not ALL of them. We KNOW he had a ton of hits. We KNOW he wrote hits for other people. That can never be taken away. He needs to get over it and play some of the other several hundred songs he's released... PLEASE!

And in regards to the DJ question, yes! I LOVE hearing nothing I recognize so long as the songs keep my ass movin'.

Cerebus said:

This is the same anwer I always give; more of one, less of the other. He doesn't need to do the same hits jukebox on every tour. "So many hits, so li..." yeah, yeah! We get it! Mix in more album tracks, dang it. How many times have you heard a Prince song live and loved it even though it wasn't a favorite on an album? Sure, play some hits, but not ALL of them. We KNOW he had a ton of hits. We KNOW he wrote hits for other people. That can never be taken away. He needs to get over it and play some of the other several hundred songs he's released... PLEASE!

And in regards to the DJ question, yes! I LOVE hearing nothing I recognize so long as the songs keep my ass movin'.

I almost prefer it to be nothing I recognize because then that means I can run home and download it,

are prince concerts dead????

Prince concerts are very much alive and kicking.

I have never seen Prince so full of joy and so playful than in Forum Copenhagen,

It was surely amazing....

the media went nuts for Prince's concert, and I went nuts too..

absolutely fantastic.

Prince said:

I'm not gonna be obstinate.

A first.

Chiquetet said:

On one hand, I totally get it. As has been said many times before, we represent only a small fraction of the Prince-concert-goer population, and the majority are almost certainly wanting to hear his "greatest hits".

That's I guess why the preshows/aftershows/just-cozshows are so sought after, because Prince knows that he's playing to the die-hards and can mix it up a lot more.

On the other hand though, something that presumably has helped to keep those big hits so popular is the fact that they keep getting played at concerts...which means that the newer stuff is not really being given a chance to gain more popularity because in many cases there was little to no marketing for the albums in the first place and subsequently very few live performances of the songs.

It also doesn't explain all of the covers...eg. why is a "greatest hits" Prince fan more likely to know a GCS song than, say, Musicology?

How about he leaves the hits in, and mixes them up with his more recent work, rather than other peoples' legacy tracks?

That way, in ten years, his tours can be progressing through the decades because people remember the newer work, rather than still wanting to hear 1999, LRC, etc...

sadly he will never, ever, ever, ever quit playing thank you for lettin me be myself again and everyday people. EVER.

those two songs are now officially ruined for me. i race to switch the channel whenever i hear either one....

XxAxX said:

Chiquetet said:

On one hand, I totally get it. As has been said many times before, we represent only a small fraction of the Prince-concert-goer population, and the majority are almost certainly wanting to hear his "greatest hits".

That's I guess why the preshows/aftershows/just-cozshows are so sought after, because Prince knows that he's playing to the die-hards and can mix it up a lot more.

On the other hand though, something that presumably has helped to keep those big hits so popular is the fact that they keep getting played at concerts...which means that the newer stuff is not really being given a chance to gain more popularity because in many cases there was little to no marketing for the albums in the first place and subsequently very few live performances of the songs.

It also doesn't explain all of the covers...eg. why is a "greatest hits" Prince fan more likely to know a GCS song than, say, Musicology?

How about he leaves the hits in, and mixes them up with his more recent work, rather than other peoples' legacy tracks?

That way, in ten years, his tours can be progressing through the decades because people remember the newer work, rather than still wanting to hear 1999, LRC, etc...

sadly he will never, ever, ever, ever quit playing thank you for lettin me be myself again and everyday people. EVER.

those two songs are now officially ruined for me. i race to switch the channel whenever i hear either one....

Sounds like you have issues you need to deal with. Those are great songs. In addtion, P explained a few years ago that he was taking some of the dirty tunes out his show. Since he has so many of those he put in covers as replacement. I do not understand what the big deal is. Lots of artist do covers in their show (Springsteen does a lot of covers) Not sure why P fans flip out over some good old funk jams.

He was up on the stage covering Polka tunes I could see the problem.

[Edited 11/11/10 13:20pm]

I never understood why he played those hits over and over, until I went to Antwerp this week. The audience partied during 1999 and seemed dead to me during Let's Work, the audience sang along and applauded loudly after Purple Rain and didn't clap as hard after The Love We Make. He just has a point there and I thought the mix in Antwerpen was just fine to keep the hardcore fans happy and the casual (much bigger) audience happy as well.

And he doesn't play aftershows without reason!

laurarichardson said:

Sounds like you have issues you need to deal with. Those are great songs. In addtion, P explained a few years ago that he was taking some of the dirty tunes out his show. Since he has so many of those he put in covers as replacement.

A few years ago I might almost have bought that (although even if 80% were judged as inappropriate, he still has more than enough songs for a concert in the remaining 20%).

However, it's now been more than 10 years since he stopped writing (or at least releasing) "dirty tunes", which means he has ample material to draw on.

Lots of artists do covers at their shows, yes. That's cool. I'm not interested in seeing them.

If Prince did one or two funky covers, awesome.

But what I was commenting on and XxAxX was responding to was why he chooses the same covers over and over again. I get the argument about HIS greatest hits, sure. But why the same covers?

I don't actually agree that he's going to play them for ever and ever - in fact that last couple of setlists suggest the beginnings of a deviation from the 'script' so perhaps it's all a moot point now, but I think the time for justifying anything based on "dirty tunes" is long gone.

When he has time for SOTT, Thieves in the Temple, Gold, Musicology, The Work, Get On The Boat, Dreamer, Future Soul Song, etc... etc... along with the hits he's been playing forever AND all the Time stuff that's apparently all the rage now and he STILL needs material, maybe...maybe some covers.

Maybe he could ask John Blackwell about doing something from 4eva Jia (John Blackwell Project album)? Jaiven would be awesome live.

Just not sure why it ALWAYS has to be about Larry & Co....

NouveauDance said:

NEWWORLDse said:

quote Volkskrant Holland:

Do you think it's cool to cometo a party where the DJ is playing unknown music very loudly for

the entire evening?

Turn the clock back to 1995........

the Astoria incident?

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Prince Concerts are not dead. If they were, he'd be broke! Its really his only decent income. His record sales are in the toilet. Only his die hard fans by his stuff. But let him ride into town and do a concert, and the money flocks in. Most people want to see him perform, because he's a great live performer and they know he will play the music that made him a star. They get to see his passion and emotion. His recent albums, however, fail to show much emotion and passion.

So in short...NO the concerts arent dead...or else, his entire career would be.

Chiquetet said:

How about he leaves the hits in, and mixes them up with his more recent work, rather than other peoples' legacy tracks?

That way, in ten years, his tours can be progressing through the decades because people remember the newer work, rather than still wanting to hear 1999, LRC, etc...

Excellent idea.

Why play other artist's work when you have so much great stuff yourself?

Why not promote the best of your new stuff a little more?

Boom, Crimson and Clover, Colonized Mind, Dreamer would be much greater than yet another Sly Stone jam.

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[Edited 11/16/10 16:58pm]

MTV is dead, the Internet is dead...

and somehow the newspaper industry is the future of music distribution.

going down in flames together I guess

eYe recal Prince concerts are tremendous he even throws his gitar in to the public!!! I shut my mouth 4ever because the only thing eYe can say is PRINCE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's funy that he said that about people not liking hearing a dj play music they never heard of cuz at Glam Slam West(in 95), he played NOTHING but new stuff(from the Gold Experience of course), plus some Santana that I had never heard of at the time. I remember thinking "how brave of him, but I wish I knew this stuff so I could appreciate it more"! Oh well, I still had a good time, and so did Tupac(who was dancing right next to me, smoking a blunt the whole time!!) Sometimes I wish his Star would diminish so much that he just did small club shows for the diehards, with nothing but his quirkiest songs from past and present.

[Edited 11/20/10 22:27pm]

The lack of newer material, especially in the 'scandinavia' leg of the 20ten tour, makes me wonder.

Only during aftershows there was a chance to hear newr songs (Amager Bio) or at least a different choice of songs (Viage 2).

His songs are his children, he says, and he loves everyone of them; yet he doesn't show his love by playing a more diverse selection of these songs...

NEWWORLDse said:

Do you think it's cool to come to a party where the DJ is playing unknown music very loudly for

the entire evening?

I think it's cool when an artist is truly engaged and inspired by what they are performing (as in One Nite Alone) and not just going through the motions night after night daydreaming about how they're going to spend their big fat paycheck (as in 21 Nights, Musicology tour etc).

[Edited 11/21/10 0:08am]

No, in answer to the question.

Prince concerts are very much "alive and kicking"

And as a Dutch newspaper wrote, "Prince turned an audience of 30.000 people into a cosy intimate atmosphere of a small local cafe." There was a lot of love in the audience at the last EU concert in Holland. The place was burning with energy!

I certainly do understand where he is coming from in his need to play the hits and I do applaud him for not being obstinate and ignoring the people who are shelling out their hard earned cash and then get a bunch of songs they don't know. What may help a little is that if he wants to play a new song, take just a few minutes to maybe introduce it to the audience and what CD it is on and maybe a little blurb about the song and peolple may be a bit more able to open their ears and minds to listen to it. I know that when I went to "The Beautiful Experience" he played all songs I did not know and never said a word about any of them and for me, it was an enjoyable experience due to the setting but it would have been better to have a few songs that I knew or at least understood what he was playing as songs like Interactive turned out to be one of my favs but had no idea what it was or if it would ever be available.

Also, for us die hards, I think the celebration concept is really good. He should do some shows in MPLS and announce them to us well in advance to arrange travel and such and then he can feel free to have open forum of being able to play stuff we know but is still obscure to the general audience. It would be cool to hear, I don't know, something like Lady Cab Driver, Endorphine Machine or whatever lesser known songs you like and have him not have to be concerned for an entire audience pissed off cause they wanted to hear the hits. But again, announce it in plenty of time so folks have ample opportunity to plan for it.

i think prince has enough hardcore fans to sell out a big stadium, but they are obviously in different places. I like the idea posted in this thread about announcing that he's going to play an entire concert of great but (lesser known) fans so that they have plenty of time to travel. And make it clear that its only for diehards. but ofcouse in order to make a living, he cant do this most of the time. Still a few times during the year would be nice