jcurley said:

robinhood said:

no, it hasnt. people have. the internet is essentially stupid. it just sits there connecting one end to another end and so on and so on. it has no power to devalue anything.

what people do with the internet is the source of the problem. not the net itself.

if we dont value music, that merely shows how shallow we've become. technology merely amplifies an already exisitng human condition.

as the old world gives way to the new, the global ego will lose its power. there will be no more artists demanding financial reward for their skills.

rewards will come, but not in response to demand or expectation. the universe owes nothing to anyone.

it was around long before us and will be long after us. what we do with our technology is up to us.

Werll yes-but it facilitates laziness. A child will be drawn to a McDonalds rather than a cooked meal-it's instinct. You are right that if we want to give in to that way of living it is not the internets fault. However a personal example I can think of is that in the UK i can't bear Tesco-a new one has opened up near me and I said I would never use it however the other night I did because it was the only place open. It is harder to hold onto principles when mush is right in front of you.

part of the human condition, and one of our many tests, some might say the important test, how to hold on to our principles and act on them when tempted to do otherwise.

even if you took the net away, the same human condition will be here until we learn to overcome it, and e v o l v e.

too many for too long have blamed things for the problems we have but no one and no thing is to blame but ourselves.

the internet has defied the laws of space and time, and even of gravity, if you pay close attention.

it has made it possible for you and i to have a conversation, to literally read each others minds, regardless of distance, and regardless of time.

if i lift my mind up high enough while i talk with you, for example, i can even become a quark. these concepts may seem strange to you, but they are real and they are true.

the internet is a liberating tool because it has brought the world so much closer together, and it has been a very successful medium for musicians whose priorities are in the right order.

its no good to blame the medium for our laziness. we alone are responsible for that.

robinhood said:

i dont condone theft of music, but i honestly believe that artists who use the internet to make money will meet their karma for doing so, by having their music 'stolen'/ downloaded for free.

the net is for sharing. period. plenty of artists give their audience free downloads and make their money OFFLINE.

Look, the music industry only really made money during a period of about 25 years: late 1960s-early 1990s. These days we're simply returning to the situation before it became big business -- what's happening today is not the exception, the period in which a deeply flawed business model allowed certain people to rake in tons of cash was the exception.

Even worse: the music industry keeps comparing today's numbers to those of its record profits: the time when people switched to CDs and re-bought "everything". The reality is that we spend just as much on entertainment today as in previous years -- except today there are a ton of other options: DVD, Blu-ray, games, smart phones, premium TV, web apps,... Something's gotta give, i.e. traditional entertainment.

Moreover, this "theft" nonsense is of all times. When I was young, home taping was killing music. Sony got sued because it invented the VCR. Etcetera. Wasn't sheet music gonna kill music? Or records? Oh yes, they did kill something: unsustainable business models. A power shift happened, and suddenly it turned out that more options became available to customers, and some things got out of fashion.

he is blinded by draconian conditioning, surrounded by people who wont even dare to think, let alone slap the TRUTH on his desk,

That's has been his problem for the past 15 years. He removed everyone that dared to upset him, and ended up living in a bubble.

he has been told for years and years to give his music away for FREE on the net and make his money offline. he has not listened because his EGO doesnt want to hear it.

He shouldn't do that. He simply should offer added value. Make the basics easy and affordable ("download my album in a format of your choice for $5"), and offer premium content for those with deeper pockets/feelings: hardcopy versions (CDs, but also vinyl and Blu-ray audio), additional content (videos,...). Oh, and throw in the odd freebie. Sell recordings of all your gigs online, and launch it by giving one away for free.

The most important thing: build relationships. Don't waste time and effort and money on battling the inevitable.

funkaholic1972 said:

People here complain often about him playing mostly his old hits, but he is right in focussing on these songs in my opinion. Only the diehards will know his recent output,

Hilarious. He gives away MILLIONS op copies of his CD,a dn then he DOES NOT PLAY IT because people wouldn't know the music? How about this: he doesn't play it because he knows it's SHIT and nobody wants to hear it.

Funny how that rule didn't apply back in the 1980s, when he did shows that were 50%-80% all new music.

and will appreciate him playing these tracks. At most concerts Prince throws in a few nuggets for the hardcore fans anyway. Or throws an aftershow where he can play whatever he/ the hardcore fans want(s).

He plays THE EXACT SAME SHITE! First gig in Viage: Sly Stone covers. Oh waw, we hadn't heard that before!

Basically he does the concerts to make money and entertain the masses whilst having a good time himself, and he releases his new work for his diehard fans.

By putting free CDs in newspapers? How the hell is that "releasing his work for die-hards"?

And people bitching about him releasing his new work via newspapers etc. probably don't realise that it has become much harder to get your music released and be properly paid for it. Even for an artist of Prince's stature!

Bullcrap. Why does he "deserve"millions for a bunch of songs he obviously threw together in a couple of days? 20Ten, LF, 3121, Planet Earth: all of these were patently thrown together because he needed another big payday. There is ZERO artistic vision. These records were just means to an end: Prince getting paid $ millions, which he feels he's entitled to because he is Mr Music.

Why is he so afraid to battle it out in the market place? Why does he need to be paid upfront?

Prince is peddling mediocre shite, he knows it. He's just angry that these days there aren't that many suckers who are willing to pony up lotsa cash to have the honor of releasing his latest collection of bland filler.

fragglerock said:

What is this 'volkskrant' ?

I think they just made the whole 'interview' up in an obvious desperate attempt to get more readers.

Hilarious. The ongoing delusions of Prince fans that his words are used by nefarious people to make huge profits.

Here's an idea: write a book about Prince, and report back when you're a millionaire from the sales of that. But in the meantime you're obliged to keep schtum. (Except if you've refound sanity and are willing to acknowledge that publishing Prince's words is not a guaranteed source of income.)

fragglerock said:

Thanks for the explanation but I wasn't serious

What I posted above is what some pathetic people were saying about the Peach & Black podcast about their chat with Prince - which covered pretty much the same topics and they were accused of making it up.

Yes, a major newspaper is exactly the same thing as a podcast five people listen to and who are desperate to attract listeners.

Seriously, delusional much?

BartVanHemelen said:

he is blinded by draconian conditioning, surrounded by people who wont even dare to think, let alone slap the TRUTH on his desk,

That's has been his problem for the past 15 years. He removed everyone that dared to upset him, and ended up living in a bubble.

mm. re your other comments, thank you for your insight.

this is why i said that the medium is not the problem, people are, times change. we either evolve or perish. its really as simple as that. it applies to every specie on the earth.

i dont agree with you on the money issue though, in fact i think money is the core of the problem of so much of what you spoke about regarding music over the years.

as long as money is the motivating factor for any business model, that business model with fail eventually.

what we humans do with money and how much we value it is at the center of most of our problems.

we have this backward type of thinking where we think we are automatically entitled to receive financial reward for what we do.

how arrogant we are. and yet year after year we sit here scratching our heads not understanding why things just never seem to work out the way we'd like.

maybe if we got our priorities in the right order, the money issue will take of itself without us feeling the need to make it the driving force and motivation for what we do.

when a man is so focussed on rewards, he is operating from his ego. excuse me, prince. that way of thinking is very fast becoming extinct.

look at the world, people blame this and that, but never manage to look at the core of our motivations. self-interest leads to annihilation.

i mentioned in my previous post about corporate greed over-running the music industry ages ago. the internet was not responsible for that. the love of money was, and still is.

where there is a man who says "pay me", let him be refused. when he says "here, i'd like to share this with you" let him be rewarded in ways the universe decides.

the draconian money mind-set is what is destroying our ethics and our culture. its destroyed music too.

prince is part of that problem as long as his ego focusses on reward instead of letting go to go with the flow and expressing his gratitude for everything he has so far been afforded.

he chooses to complain about the internet in his interviews, to brag about himself no end, but where is the 'thank you' ? where is the appreciation?

where is the 'i cant wait to share what i have with you' here just have it. i have enough money. i do this because i love it'. ?

anyway, thats his prerogative and good luck to him. i dont plan on following suit in his thinking or his priorities. i've seen what happens to civilizations that think the way he does.

they die.

BartVanHemelen said:

Yes, a major newspaper is exactly the same thing as a podcast five people listen to and who are desperate to attract listeners.

Seriously, delusional much?

Wrong, wrong & wrong and all in one sentence.

But fortunately, I'm not dumb enough to continue talking to you.

.

[Edited 11/12/10 4:06am]

robinhood said:

jcurley said:

Werll yes-but it facilitates laziness. A child will be drawn to a McDonalds rather than a cooked meal-it's instinct. You are right that if we want to give in to that way of living it is not the internets fault. However a personal example I can think of is that in the UK i can't bear Tesco-a new one has opened up near me and I said I would never use it however the other night I did because it was the only place open. It is harder to hold onto principles when mush is right in front of you.

part of the human condition, and one of our many tests, some might say the important test, how to hold on to our principles and act on them when tempted to do otherwise.

even if you took the net away, the same human condition will be here until we learn to overcome it, and e v o l v e.

too many for too long have blamed things for the problems we have but no one and no thing is to blame but ourselves.

the internet has defied the laws of space and time, and even of gravity, if you pay close attention.

it has made it possible for you and i to have a conversation, to literally read each others minds, regardless of distance, and regardless of time.

if i lift my mind up high enough while i talk with you, for example, i can even become a quark. these concepts may seem strange to you, but they are real and they are true.

the internet is a liberating tool because it has brought the world so much closer together, and it has been a very successful medium for musicians whose priorities are in the right order.

its no good to blame the medium for our laziness. we alone are responsible for that.

I understand all that-so please stop trying to educate. All I'm saying is that no medium has allowed such accessibility-of course like most things in life we are responsible for how we use and/or consume something. However Prince is right this accessibility has removed the magic-rightly or wrongly. Music is almost too immediate. Maybe we shouldn't have the reverence for music but I miss those days. To physically own something and go out and purchase it is half the pleasure.

jcurley said:

However Prince is right this accessibility has removed the magic-rightly or wrongly.

we also have an abundance of sunlight, but it hasnt removed the magic of photosynthesis, has it?

the internet has done nothing more than exist. peope have removed the magic because they no longer bother to carry it around with them in their hearts.

the reasons for that are ten-fold. greed being one of them.

sorry if you feel like i'm trying to educate, i'm just saying what i think. dont let it educate you though.

just keep believing whatever prince says about the internet, even though he has no idea what he's talking about, no offence.

[Edited 11/12/10 4:24am]

robinhood said:

BartVanHemelen said:

That's has been his problem for the past 15 years. He removed everyone that dared to upset him, and ended up living in a bubble.

mm. re your other comments, thank you for your insight.

this is why i said that the medium is not the problem, people are, times change. we either evolve or perish. its really as simple as that. it applies to every specie on the earth.

i dont agree with you on the money issue though, in fact i think money is the core of the problem of so much of what you spoke about regarding music over the years.

as long as money is the motivating factor for any business model, that business model with fail eventually.

what we humans do with money and how much we value it is at the center of most of our problems.

we have this backward type of thinking where we think we are automatically entitled to receive financial reward for what we do.

how arrogant we are. and yet year after year we sit here scratching our heads not understanding why things just never seem to work out the way we'd like.

maybe if we got our priorities in the right order, the money issue will take of itself without us feeling the need to make it the driving force and motivation for what we do.

when a man is so focussed on rewards, he is operating from his ego. excuse me, prince. that way of thinking is very fast becoming extinct.

look at the world, people blame this and that, but never manage to look at the core of our motivations. self-interest leads to annihilation.

i mentioned in my previous post about corporate greed over-running the music industry ages ago. the internet was not responsible for that. the love of money was, and still is.

where there is a man who says "pay me", let him be refused. when he says "here, i'd like to share this with you" let him be rewarded in ways the universe decides.

the draconian money mind-set is what is destroying our ethics and our culture. its destroyed music too.

prince is part of that problem as long as his ego focusses on reward instead of letting go to go with the flow and expressing his gratitude for everything he has so far been afforded.

he chooses to complain about the internet in his interviews, to brag about himself no end, but where is the 'thank you' ? where is the appreciation?

where is the 'i cant wait to share what i have with you' here just have it. i have enough money. i do this because i love it'. ?

anyway, thats his prerogative and good luck to him. i dont plan on following suit in his thinking or his priorities. i've seen what happens to civilizations that think the way he does.

they die.

NOPE!

If you are designing a business process where you are thinking in terms of something like SIX SIGMA, green belt, black belt and what is CRITICAL TO QUALITY then yes you are right. The money aspect should fall in to place as the customer is being staisfied. In Prince's case that is not the point

Prince is the product and does deserve the reward. People think Prince is greedy (Maybe he is) but you don't know how Prince may have been burnt or once bitten twice shy. You can mystically quote all you like

excuse me, prince. that way of thinking is very fast becoming extinct

But if you wanna go down that path you can quote Jesus and the New Testement and the parable of the talents. We can all find something profound to back up our opinions.

Of course there is greed in the system. But as you keep banging on it is not the internet it is us. The internet just speeds up the greed and theft from both parties. Not a slag off of the internet all good things have a downside

robinhood said:

jcurley said:

However Prince is right this accessibility has removed the magic-rightly or wrongly.

we also have an abundance of sunlight, but it hasnt removed the magic of photosynthesis, has it?

the internet has done nothing more than exist. peope have removed the magic because they no longer bother to carry it around with them in their hearts.

the reasons for that are ten-fold. greed being one of them.

sorry if you feel like i'm trying to educate, i'm just saying what i think. dont let it educate you though.

just keep believing whatever prince says about the internet, even though he has no idea what he's talking about, no offence.

[Edited 11/12/10 4:24am]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHh! God ur assuming stupidity. I understand everything you are saying but the fact remains you can't have both states at the same time. I remember when mobiles came out-I used to think I don't need one of them. Now you'd almost be invisible if you didn't have one-you'd be almost enforcing yourself in to some isolation. You can't now go -I used to like the anonymity therefore I'll shall go phoneless. technically yes I could-practically no I couldn't because that is how the majority would want to communicate with me-so if I want access to them I have to join in with the technology. The internet is the same-It is almost beyond me how I could isolate myself to email-or google research and then go " I refuse to loook at music ot buy it this way" Even if I wanted to those options are becoming narrower because of assumed access.

Prince is not being profound/weird or even wrong and I quite often disagree with Prince. However in this regard I feel Prince has a point. The current situation is inevitable and I think he realises that. This is one of the most rational interviews he has ever given.

All he is saying is that it ain't like it used to be. I get that people make choices but context and what facilitates that are impossible to ignore.

robinhood said:

jcurley said:

However Prince is right this accessibility has removed the magic-rightly or wrongly.

we also have an abundance of sunlight, but it hasnt removed the magic of photosynthesis, has it?

Uhhh...photosynthesis is a physical process - not magic. What Prince does is art - which always has a magical element.

Worst analogy ever.

Genesia said:

robinhood said:

we also have an abundance of sunlight, but it hasnt removed the magic of photosynthesis, has it?

Uhhh...photosynthesis is a physical process - not magic. What Prince does is art - which always has a magical element.

Worst analogy ever.

God-thankyou!!!! I was just getting to the stage of just saying shut up but that waas better!

mblevels said:

Trashcat said:

The last question is something about tips for new pop artists.

So if you want to become a big popstar, go to VK.nl and buy todays newspaper for Prince's greatest tips

Haha, it will sure help

At the end of the article it says Prince went to see the opening act by Selah Sue. I doubt he liked it...

And thanks to Trashcat for saving me a lot of time

It's a good translation, in case you all wonder, no errors in interpreting etc.

http://www.gva.be/nieuws/...innen.aspx

Nadat Prince maandagavond zijn fans op een wervelend concert had getrakteerd, kreeg ook Selah Sue, die het voorprogramma van de muzieklegende verzorgde, nog een verrassing van formaat. Ze mocht even langskomen in zijn kleedkamer.

De Vlaamse zangeres Sanne Putseys, met artiestennaam Selah Sue, wist pas een paar uur van tevoren dat ze voor Prince in het Antwerpse Sportpaleis mocht optreden. “Ik wist dat er een kleine kans was dat ik het voorprogramma zou mogen doen. Prince en ik zitten bij hetzelfde Franse platenlabel. Maar ik had me eigenlijk al neergelegd bij een rustig avondje nietsdoen.”

Maar pas na haar concert werd het helemaal leuk voor Selah Sue. “De vriendin van Prince zei dat hij me wilde spreken. Ik ben naar zijn loge gegaan en daar hebben we een halfuur gepraat.” Hoe was de eerste indruk? “Hij is superklein natuurlijk (lacht). En hij mag dan al 52 zijn, hij ziet er nog ongelofelijk goed uit. Toen ik zei dat ik geen starfucker wilde zijn, liet hij meteen blijken dat hij zo’n taalgebruik maar niks vond (lacht)."

“Hij was vol lof. Hij zei dat hij in me gelooft. Hij was tijdens mijn optreden tegen de klankman gaan zeggen dat mijn geluid luider moest. Ik heb hem ook gevraagd hoe hij zich voelde. Dat wilde ik weten omdat je vaak hoort dat hij heel paranoïde is. Maar hij zei dat hij heel gelukkig is en dankbaar dat hij zijn job kan doen. Maar hij waarschuwde me ook dat ik niet naïef mag zijn.”

translation:

After Prince treated his fans to a whirlwind tour Monday evening, Selah Sue, who was the support act of the music legend, also got a huge surprise. She was allowed to come into his dressing room.

The Flemish singer Sanne Putseys with artist name Selah Sue, knew only a few hours beforehand that she could play for Prince in the Antwerp Sportpaleis. "I knew there was a small chance that I could do the program. Prince and I are in the same French label. But I had actually already put up with a quiet night of doing nothing. "

But after the concert it got really good for Selah Sue. "The girlfriend of Prince said he wanted to see me. I went to his lodge and we have talked a half hour. "How was your first impression? "He is very small of course (laughs). And he may be 52 already, he still looks incredibly good. When I said I didn't wanted to be a Starfucker, he immediately let me know that he disliked my usage (laughs). "

"He was full of praise. He said he believes in me. During my performance he went to the soundguy and said the sound had to be louder. I have also asked him how he felt. I wanted to know because you often hear that he is very paranoid. But he said he was very happy and grateful that he can do his job. But he also warned me not to be naive. "

jcurley said:

Of course there is greed in the system. But as you keep banging on it is not the internet it is us. The internet just speeds up the greed and theft from both parties.

no, it does not. this is a very simple concept: the internet simply exists. that is all.

if people shove greed through it, its not the nets fault. no matter how fast the net can transfer information, the greed comes from PEOPLE.

PEOPLE who look to something external from themselves in order to be entertained, to be satisfied,

like the same people who feel the magic is gone from music if they cant go buy a vinyl LP and go through the whole ritual that entails.

music sounds no different whether ur listening to it the old way or the new way. the internet is not responsible for people's lack of ability to use their ears and catch a buzz.

what the internet has done, by making SPEED available, by cutting out the middle man, by eliminating the ritual, is EXPOSE our human dilemma.

the net has exposed our shallowness, our greed, our pride, our laziness, our love of money, our egotistical mind-set, and just how LITTLE we appreciate music.

apparently its not good music and the magic is gone if we can access it quickly. laughable. but rather than face what the internet has exposed us for, we blame the net for the problem.

typical human response. the same old denial. the net holds up the mirror, we dont like the reflection, so we cuss out the internet.

no matter how much you or prince or anyone else tries to lay the blame on the net, your arguments will fail and you only prove the point i am making about the human condition,

which in this case, is to deny and blame, to refuse to accept our own lack of ethics, to refuse to accept how dependent we have become on external stimulus to satiate our wants and needs,

refuse to accept our love for money, refuse to accept our egotistical mind-sets and refuse to acknowledge that MAGIC is not an external phenomenon.

the net has simply exposed how weak we are, and it has done this by doing nothing at all.

if prince wants to keep banging on about it in his interviews, same as he keeps banging on about money, so be it. i'll happily shut up just as soon as he does.

gerhard12 said:

funkaholic1972 said:

People here complain often about him playing mostly his old hits, but he is right in focussing on these songs in my opinion. Only the diehards will know his recent output, and will appreciate him playing these tracks. At most concerts Prince throws in a few nuggets for the hardcore fans anyway. Or throws an aftershow where he can play whatever he/ the hardcore fans want(s).

Basically he does the concerts to make money and entertain the masses whilst having a good time himself, and he releases his new work for his diehard fans. I can only applaud this.

I dont think so,nothing against playin those old hits, but the mix could include more of his new music, which will grow to classics also ,but only if he plays them.there are lots of new tracks havin the same quality as the old hits.

He could definately play one or two new tracks in concert as well. If only for his own entertainment, and for the hardcore fans of course.

And yes, who knows, some people might actually really like it so much they will start looking for the album it's on.

But unless it is instantly grabbing, most people will just go to the bar to get more beer when they hear a song they've never heard before. That's just the way it is...

Efan said:

funkaholic1972 said:

People here complain often about him playing mostly his old hits, but he is right in focussing on these songs in my opinion. Only the diehards will know his recent output, and will appreciate him playing these tracks. At most concerts Prince throws in a few nuggets for the hardcore fans anyway. Or throws an aftershow where he can play whatever he/ the hardcore fans want(s).

I wish he would find some balance in this regard. There are tons of old songs worth revisiting, so he could spread the focus around a little bit. And if he believes he has a good new song, well--play it. People might like it.

He could definately use more different songs than the tunes that he seems to focus on in the last few years, agreed. A new track might work as well, if it is a catchy one...

Prince said:

'Well, you shouldn't take that statement too literally. I use the internet myself as well, in order to get information. Just not to spread music anymore.

All music is available to everyone thanks to the Internet, everything is free and no one appreciates music for what it is.

Sometimes I want to go back to the time where you'd look months for a bootleg by someone because a new song was on that record.

I want to combine album sales with ticket sales. I'll ask an extra 5dollar per concertticket,

but you'll get the latest cd for free. And with that, I earn more money then with regular album sales

A new album from me maybe won't be very impressive to you,

but whose album can be that groundbreaking at the moment?

Making records is mostly for the real

collector-fans. But for enjoying my concerts, you don't need to by

my newest albums.

That's why I quickly set up this European tour. Don't get me wrong, but I love Europe. But these concerts are some sort of rehearsels for my American tour. In fact, I just need about ten shows before I am in perfect shape.

What Obama did great was that he proved and confirmed that a very big group of people in our country don't want to share anything at all but rather keep it for themselves. That's something that really needs to change, or else it will go wrong terribly.

Appreciation doesn't equal getting paid.

Music does equal information.

Like all information, music is ultimately free and should be shared, not locked up and denied.

You can put a copyright on it and claim you 'own' it, but you can't stop it from being copied.

You can put it in a vault or even destroy the tape it was recorded on, but it's still in your head.

The internet isn't "a party", but a worldwide platform of billions of computers to spread and get information on.

Prince is still using the internet "in order to get information", but not to spread his music anymore.

Sharing is important, but not his music on the net, because then it's not "appreciated".

Longing back to the days where you would look for months for "a bootleg", but prohibiting his fans to bootleg his work.

Giving cd's away "for free" with ticket sales, but also asking 5 bucks more in order to make more than on a regular sale.

Admitting the new album might not really be worth it, but not really caring either because whose album is these days.

Having three new albums ready for release, but not releasing them because albums are for the real fans.

Loving Europe, but showing it by doing a quickly set up European tour as a US rehearsel.

Saying Obama proved that many people don't want to share, but forgetting to mention being one of them.

What is it exactly that he is trying to say?

- -

[Edited 11/14/10 12:31pm]

Tremolina said:

Appreciation doesn't equal getting paid.

Music does equal information.

Like all information, music is ultimately free and should be shared, not locked up and denied.

You can put a copyright on it and claim you 'own' it, but you can't stop it from being copied.

You can put it in a vault or even destroy the tape it was recorded on, but it's still in your head.

The internet isn't "a party", but a worldwide platform of billions of computers to spread and get information on.

Prince is still using the internet "in order to get information", but not to spread his music anymore.

Sharing is important, but not his music on the net, because then it's not "appreciated".

Longing back to the days where you would look for months for "a bootleg", but prohibiting his fans to bootleg his work.

Giving cd's away "for free" with ticket sales, but also asking 5 bucks more in order to make more than on a regular sale.

Admitting the new album might not really be worth it, but not really caring either because whose album is these days.

Having three new albums ready for release, but not releasing them because albums are for the real fans.

Loving Europe, but showing it by doing a quickly set up European tour as a US rehearsel.

Saying Obama proved that many people don't want to share, but forgetting to mention being one of them.

What is it exactly that he is trying to say?

he was dreaming when he said this, so forgive him if he goes astray

he's saying that when he woke up that morning he could've sworn it was judgment day

he saying the sky is all purple and there's people running everywhere

he's trying to run from his destruction, you know he doesn't even care

$two thousand.00 - party over, oops, out of time

tonite he's gonna party like it's $19.99

he's saying if we didnt come to party, dont bother knocking on his door

he's got a lion spider in his pocket and baby he's ready to roar

he's saying everybody's got a bomb and we could all die any day

but before he lets that happen, he'll dance his life away

$two thousand.00 - party over, oops, out of time

tonite he's gonna party like it's $19.99

The other day I read that Lotusflower sold some 400.000 copies already.

Does that prove people do not "appreciate" his music anymore?

When fans make the effort to record his concerts and make them available for free on the net for other fans to enjoy

because he doesn't

Who is the one not appreciating his music?

Tremolina said:

When fans make the effort to record his concerts and make them available for free on the net for other fans to enjoy

because he doesn't

Who is the one not appreciating his music?

robinhood said:

Tremolina said:

Appreciation doesn't equal getting paid.

Music does equal information.

Like all information, music is ultimately free and should be shared, not locked up and denied.

You can put a copyright on it and claim you 'own' it, but you can't stop it from being copied.

You can put it in a vault or even destroy the tape it was recorded on, but it's still in your head.

The internet isn't "a party", but a worldwide platform of billions of computers to spread and get information on.

Prince is still using the internet "in order to get information", but not to spread his music anymore.

Sharing is important, but not his music on the net, because then it's not "appreciated".

Longing back to the days where you would look for months for "a bootleg", but prohibiting his fans to bootleg his work.

Giving cd's away "for free" with ticket sales, but also asking 5 bucks more in order to make more than on a regular sale.

Admitting the new album might not really be worth it, but not really caring either because whose album is these days.

Having three new albums ready for release, but not releasing them because albums are for the real fans.

Loving Europe, but showing it by doing a quickly set up European tour as a US rehearsel.

Saying Obama proved that many people don't want to share, but forgetting to mention being one of them.

What is it exactly that he is trying to say?

he was dreaming when he said this, so forgive him if he goes astray

he's saying that when he woke up that morning he could've sworn it was judgment day

he saying the sky is all purple and there's people running everywhere

he's trying to run from his destruction, you know he doesn't even care

$two thousand.00 - party over, oops, out of time

tonite he's gonna party like it's $19.99

he's saying if we didnt come to party, dont bother knocking on his door

he's got a lion spider in his pocket and baby he's ready to roar

he's saying everybody's got a bomb and we could all die any day

but before he lets that happen, he'll dance his life away

$two thousand.00 - party over, oops, out of time

tonite he's gonna party like it's $19.99

I love weekends on the org!

robinhood said:

laurarichardson said:

I honest cannot figure out why some of you did not understand the comment about the internet and still do not get it.

i get it. he's blaming the internet for a lot of things but the internet is not the problem.

he's blaming the medium, instead of the source of the problem.

he says people dont appreciate music for what it is anymore. that is not the internet's fault.

he's looking at this issue at face value and making a judgment call at face value.

people stopped appreciating musi for what it is when corporate greed over-ran the music industry and served us up a whole decade of horrible music and plastic pop stars.

when you serve the public junk food, they will treat it like junk food. they will see it for exactly what it is. junk food.

those same people then get on the net (record companies and the junk food artists) and use the internet to make money.

the internet has been infected by a HUMAN PROBLEM. not the other way around.

prince says he sees the net as a party where everyone is wearing the same clothes. no, not everyone is, but i know what he means.

the problem is that he doesnt look any deeper into it than that, to understand WHY that has happened.

the internet didnt decide all of its own accord to water-down its content - PEOPLE DID.

people who's motivations are questionable at best - ludicrous to the sane - and laughable to those of us left with a sense of humor.

receiving money for something does not - and has never - equated with being 'appreciated'.

it is regarded as a symbol of appreciation because we are conditioned by the SYSTEM to believe we need money to get something. we do not.

i dont condone theft of music, but i honestly believe that artists who use the internet to make money will meet their karma for doing so, by having their music 'stolen'/ downloaded for free.

the net is for sharing. period. plenty of artists give their audience free downloads and make their money OFFLINE.

its not that hard, and i wish prince would seriously think twice before making comments on a situation he may believe he as thought through properly, but has not.

the lotusflow3r failure was a direct reflection of his own mindset at the time - his egomaniacal mindset which believes he is automatically entitled to receive monetary reward and constant praise - simply for existing.

thats not entirely his fault because he too has been conditioned by a system of thought which has told him for 30 years that he's fantastic, can do anything he wants,

and people will cheer him for it, even when times move on and new ways of doing things are necessary in order to make things work. no. apprently he believes he can stick to the old way and get the same returns.

he is blinded by draconian conditioning, surrounded by people who wont even dare to think, let alone slap the TRUTH on his desk,

and he continues to fail to address this issue at the level it truly deserves by accepting responsibility for his failure to move with the times and new ways of doing things.

he has been told for years and years to give his music away for FREE on the net and make his money offline. he has not listened because his EGO doesnt want to hear it.

his EGO has cut him off a higher way of thought and landed him on stages in europe performing like a pony to audiences who want the 'old prince'.

he is exactly where his EGO has put him, in the dark underworld of a nice safe comfort zone, where nobody says NO PRINCE

and those equally as blind as him kiss his ass, take photos, worship his flesh, and enjoy the days of old while they listen to his hits in concert.

instead of 'getting on the boat' with everyone else, he jumped ship and chose the safe route instead.

i understand his ideology, but i dont agree with his views on the net, and i dont agree with him blaming the net.

with prince, its always someone else's fault. god forbid he should ever look at himself for who's to blame.

that wouldnt fit in with his 'image'.

UMMPH!!

this interview was far too straight forward and rational? is it real?

if it real, should be a sticky or sumethin.

[Edited 11/22/10 16:42pm]

specdude said:

this interview was far too straight forward and rational? is it real?

if it real, should be a sticky or sumethin.

[Edited 11/22/10 16:42pm]

It was published in a 'quality' newspaper over here in the Netherlands. It is real.

PoppyBros said:

robinhood said:

i get it. he's blaming the internet for a lot of things but the internet is not the problem.

he's blaming the medium, instead of the source of the problem.

he says people dont appreciate music for what it is anymore. that is not the internet's fault.

he's looking at this issue at face value and making a judgment call at face value.

people stopped appreciating musi for what it is when corporate greed over-ran the music industry and served us up a whole decade of horrible music and plastic pop stars.

when you serve the public junk food, they will treat it like junk food. they will see it for exactly what it is. junk food.

those same people then get on the net (record companies and the junk food artists) and use the internet to make money.

the internet has been infected by a HUMAN PROBLEM. not the other way around.

prince says he sees the net as a party where everyone is wearing the same clothes. no, not everyone is, but i know what he means.

the problem is that he doesnt look any deeper into it than that, to understand WHY that has happened.

the internet didnt decide all of its own accord to water-down its content - PEOPLE DID.

people who's motivations are questionable at best - ludicrous to the sane - and laughable to those of us left with a sense of humor.

receiving money for something does not - and has never - equated with being 'appreciated'.

it is regarded as a symbol of appreciation because we are conditioned by the SYSTEM to believe we need money to get something. we do not.

i dont condone theft of music, but i honestly believe that artists who use the internet to make money will meet their karma for doing so, by having their music 'stolen'/ downloaded for free.

the net is for sharing. period. plenty of artists give their audience free downloads and make their money OFFLINE.

its not that hard, and i wish prince would seriously think twice before making comments on a situation he may believe he as thought through properly, but has not.

the lotusflow3r failure was a direct reflection of his own mindset at the time - his egomaniacal mindset which believes he is automatically entitled to receive monetary reward and constant praise - simply for existing.

thats not entirely his fault because he too has been conditioned by a system of thought which has told him for 30 years that he's fantastic, can do anything he wants,

and people will cheer him for it, even when times move on and new ways of doing things are necessary in order to make things work. no. apprently he believes he can stick to the old way and get the same returns.

he is blinded by draconian conditioning, surrounded by people who wont even dare to think, let alone slap the TRUTH on his desk,

and he continues to fail to address this issue at the level it truly deserves by accepting responsibility for his failure to move with the times and new ways of doing things.

he has been told for years and years to give his music away for FREE on the net and make his money offline. he has not listened because his EGO doesnt want to hear it.

his EGO has cut him off a higher way of thought and landed him on stages in europe performing like a pony to audiences who want the 'old prince'.

he is exactly where his EGO has put him, in the dark underworld of a nice safe comfort zone, where nobody says NO PRINCE

and those equally as blind as him kiss his ass, take photos, worship his flesh, and enjoy the days of old while they listen to his hits in concert.

instead of 'getting on the boat' with everyone else, he jumped ship and chose the safe route instead.

i understand his ideology, but i dont agree with his views on the net, and i dont agree with him blaming the net.

with prince, its always someone else's fault. god forbid he should ever look at himself for who's to blame.

that wouldnt fit in with his 'image'.

UMMPH!!

Well you don't get it. He simply has not made any money off of his internet ventures and does not want the internet to be his main source of distrubution. None of us know how successful he was with his websites so we really are not in a position to judge him on that.

It does not make a difference since he can only avoid the net for so long. Stop making everything P does in too such big deal.

the paternalism of some fans is ASTOUNDING. to each his own opinion for sure but such vitriolic nonsense from people who have NO IDEA what its like to be in an unfavorable contractual situation that involves YOUR art.