bboy87 said:

thedance said:

^ 13 secs clip.....

Yet again, the "Prince won" video is posted.....

^ Honestly,

I did not know this little video has been posted here on the Org before...

[Edited 11/6/10 4:55am]

Bohemian67 said:

Paedofiles don't just molest selectively, it's a sickness where everyone is prey. Why did other kids spend time with MJ and were never touched?

I'm not saying Michael's thoughts on the matter were normal. MJ's problem was that he himself was an absolute child. But that's also psychologically understandable because he never had a childhood.

This thread will just get locked if we continue this line of discussion. But I want to say that I believe this is incorrect - paedophiles can be selective, they don't just walk around slobbering and drooling over every minor they see - they find certain qualities, traits and types attractive just like anyone.

And the "poor Michael never had a childhood, he was a sweet child trapped inside a man's body" is just tired old B.S. of an excuse I'm sorry. We know that abusers usually have a history as a victim of abuse themselves - so let's not give MJ a (literal) get of jail free card on that one just because he was rich and made a few great pop songs.

Please purple girls & boys.... don't let this thread get nasty and locked.

Michael Jackson was never found guilty, therefor he was innocent to those charges.

Letitgo please....

squirrelgrease said:

This is weird, I just blew up the new bubble image and I think there may be more trouble on the horizon...

[img:$uid]http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac268/squirrelgrease2009/CloseUp.jpg[/img:$uid]

......grease ,

colors, writing is ok,

i can stroke my animals every single day ,

because they are here ,i can see them etc.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Thank goodness the symbol was removed!! That is Prince's symbol

Actually, it was a piece of art made by someone else and then bought by Prince.

And she basically ripped of an alchemy symbol: http://www.navel.com/memb...age_05.htm

NouveauDance said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Come on. That is low. Edit that shit.

You know what's even lower.... A middle aged man sleeping in the same bed as little boys, giving them wine, and showing them pornography.

Nouveau I'm not discussing what MJ did or didn't do, what he was blamed for or what might actually have happened. No one can know the truth of that whole situation. He has passed away now but a court of law found him innocent of the charges, so there is no where else to go with that. That is not what I found distasteful in Mars post. I will leave the MJ fans to defend him to infinity on the MJ threads.

What I am talking about is a post by a Mod making a joke out of paedophilia in a music thread. let alone one that involves MJ. Surely that is trolling at its purest and in bad taste at its simplest.

Its not funny to anyone with an ounce of life experience. I don't approve.

thedance said:

Please purple girls & boys.... don't let this thread get nasty and locked.

Michael Jackson was never found guilty, therefor he was innocent to those charges.

Letitgo please....

Hilariously it was a trolling post by a mod that turned this thread into another MJ bullshit thread.

From an interesting thread (to me at least) to bitchyness, thanks, MARS!

BartVanHemelen said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Thank goodness the symbol was removed!! That is Prince's symbol

Actually, it was a piece of art made by someone else and then bought by Prince.

And she basically ripped of an alchemy symbol: http://www.navel.com/memb...age_05.htm

U gotta love the Bartman...

Rorywan said:

thedance said:

Please purple girls & boys.... don't let this thread get nasty and locked.

Michael Jackson was never found guilty, therefor he was innocent to those charges.

Letitgo please....

Hilariously it was a trolling post by a mod that turned this thread into another MJ bullshit thread.

From an interesting thread (to me at least) to bitchyness, thanks, MARS! Honestly what type of reaction did you expect to a post like that? Its called trolling?

thedance said:

Please purple girls & boys.... don't let this thread get nasty and locked.

Michael Jackson was never found guilty TRUTH, therefor he was innocent to those charges. OH HELL NO...U HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONE DOES NOT MEAN THE OTHER. MJ WAS NOT FOUND GUILTY...LEAVE IT AT THAT. NO ONE OTHER THAN FANATICS THINKS HE IS INNOCENT....

Letitgo please....

imo.:

this thread is about Copyrights to the use of the symbol...

and: the MJ camp just don't have the rights to print on an album.

if some of you want to fight (Mars and Rorywan?)... why not take it elsewhere?

Or else.........

if this thread moves towards the other subject..... MJ alligations of pedophilia, it better be locked then....

no need for that.

Discuss the use / mis-use of the symbol........ imo.....

Rorywan said:

Mars23 said:

All this speculation is just that; meaningless speculation. Clearly this artist does not understand MJ. There is a winged naked baby on the cover and Michael is not molesting it. Symbol or not, the cover is not accurate.

That's pretty disgraceful talk from a mod. I don't really give a ---- one way or another about this MJ album or the prince symbol, but that's just plain juvenile and idiotic coming from someone who is supposed to set a standard of behaviour on a forum like this. Not impressed Mars, not impressed. Not funny, not clever, just ill informed.

That's just how I feel. Being a mod does not mean I must be devoid of an opinion.

I love Michael Jackson's music and I hate that when I hear it, I have to think about what kind of a person he was. This album is a blatant cash grab and the cover is just more bullshit elevating of a jacked up guy to god like status.

To put Prince's symbol in there was bullshit when if the artist was being honest he could have used an image of a plastic surgon, or a contract to buy some children, or a courtroom, or any of the other jacked up things that were "important in his life"

Not going to apologize for how I feel. I apologize that that could have derailed the thread and I'm glad it didn't, but the use of the symbol on that cover pissed me off and those are the thoughts it brought up.

Childish? Maybe, but all I can say is I would expect the same to be said about me if I had fucked up some children's lives and someone painted a picture of me being crowned by cherubs. If that ever happens, please be the first to post that.

Rorywan said:

Mars23 said:

All this speculation is just that; meaningless speculation. Clearly this artist does not understand MJ. There is a winged naked baby on the cover and Michael is not molesting it. Symbol or not, the cover is not accurate.

That's pretty disgraceful talk from a mod. I don't really give a ---- one way or another about this MJ album or the prince symbol, but that's just plain juvenile and idiotic coming from someone who is supposed to set a standard of behaviour on a forum like this. Not impressed Mars, not impressed. Not funny, not clever, just ill informed.

NouveauDance said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Come on. That is low. Edit that shit.

You know what's even lower.... A middle aged man sleeping in the same bed as little boys, giving them wine, and showing them pornography.

Yawn, like that hasn't been played over and over a million times. I'd normally ignore an obviously trolling comment but you should expect better from a mod.

thedance said:

Mars23 said:

Rorywan said:

Mars23 said: That's pretty disgraceful talk from a mod. I don't really give a ---- one way or another about this MJ album or the prince symbol, but that's just plain juvenile and idiotic coming from someone who is supposed to set a standard of behaviour on a forum like this. Not impressed Mars, not impressed. Not funny, not clever, just ill informed.

That's just how I feel. Being a mod does not mean I must be devoid of an opinion.

I love Michael Jackson's music and I hate that when I hear it, I have to think about what kind of a person he was. This album is a blatant cash grab and the cover is just more bullshit elevating of a jacked up guy to god like status.

To put Prince's symbol in there was bullshit when if the artist was being honest he could have used an image of a plastic surgon, or a contract to buy some children, or a courtroom, or any of the other jacked up things that were "important in his life"

Not going to apologize for how I feel. I apologize that that could have derailed the thread and I'm glad it didn't, but the use of the symbol on that cover pissed me off and those are the thoughts it brought up.

Childish? Maybe, but all I can say is I would expect the same to be said about me if I had fucked up some children's lives and someone painted a picture of me being crowned by cherubs. If that ever happens, please be the first to post that.

No that's right, but being a mod - I thought - meant keeping to the topic of the thread.

Do you even know anything about the case? lol

Rorywan said:

thedance said:

imo.:

this thread is about Copyrights to the use of the symbol...

if this thread moves towards the other subject..... MJ alligations of pedophilia, it better be locked then....

no need for that.

And who brought "that topic" up in this thread? I was interested in reading why the symbol appeared on this new artwork nothing else. Read the previous couple of pages before commenting, thanks. But thanks for reinforcing my point of view.

I did and I told the author I was sorry for that. Those were my feelings when I saw Prince being linked to something I think is total bullshit.

So if people want to send hate to me, please do it in orgnote. I took the thread to it's inevitable topic earlier that normal and I'm sorry. Now I told people why I feel the way I do, so instead of a thread hating my opinion, please love or hate the symbol on this album cover and send hate notes directly to me. Thanks.

Mars23 said:

Whatever your views on MJ, it's a bit odd to produce an album sleeve with the imagery related to another artist on. Doesn't that detract from MJ's own achievements?

This isn't a Sgt Pepper style sleeve, it's an amalgam of images of MJ through the years. Prince's symbol doesn't really have a place on that cover, so it's right they've removed it.

I actually thought it was quite cool it was there. It just showed that prince had a bigger part to play in his life than many people thought, as a bit of an oddity I think thats really interesting. Neither good or nor bad, but interesting anyway.

Not sure what to think of this release though. I mean its not really a Michael jackson album?

he put his stamp on everything he did, this just feels wrong. i'm interested to hear it, but it does feel a little morally like a cash in.

BartVanHemelen said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Thank goodness the symbol was removed!! That is Prince's symbol

Actually, it was a piece of art made by someone else and then bought by Prince.

And she basically ripped of an alchemy symbol: http://www.navel.com/memb...age_05.htm

When I buy something, it belongs to me.

So, not to defend a fam, but, your statement backs up the claim, it is Prince's symbol.

WetDream said:

What happened to humour?

I think this thread is hilarious.

Not a bad conspiracy theory Berniejobs but I don't think it's the case.

I think it's just ignorance of copyright issues from the artist Kadir (?) But that Sony didn't pick up on it? I wonder, really gives me the impression they didn't even look at it. Really unprofessional that.

Nouveau dance. Unfortunately, you didn't ask my question. But we'll leave it at that.

I think this thread should be locked now, most of us don't need the heated discussions about MJ.

Mars and the Mod team: feel free to lock this now...

those who likes to continue those discussions can do so in the MJ sticky....

Much to Sony for removing the Prince symbol from the new MJ album.... I really hope that is the case.

Let this be the end of discussions here in Prince : Music & More....

Interesting that the album drops the same day the Welcome 2 America tour begins

the mj managers and ppl are jealous prince is gonna do a tour and is in the news. lets ride prince' coattails

Wow @ this thread...

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Grats Mars... lol

I did see a thread regarding all things MJ, and this was only relevant to the album cover and symbol. The topic about what MJ did or didn't do should be discussed on there. This is just about artwork that was done in tribute to Jackson and he threw the symbol in there.

I don't see the point in discussing the accusations from 15 years ago regarding this.

All I know is per Pee Wee Herman, Michael kept saying "Prince is mean" over and over (although I never knew Prince and La Toya dated until I read that) , Michael wanted to work with Prince, but at that time, Prince felt it was better to avoid working with him and getting any possible "guilt by association" from it. Keep in mind that Michael wanted to go on Howard Stern because he saw the crowds Stern drew from his book signing, but wanted his crew to take to the streets saying MJ is innocent... they had the meeting in Dolly Parton's apartment, so I can only imagine how surreal this had to have been for Howard!. Diane Sawyer wound up getting the interview.

This is just about his work, and what Sony is planning on putting out.

But if you've read the updates, now they're saying that it might not even be Michael singing those songs.

But I always wondered if there was ever talk of Janet and Prince working together, or he did and didn't take credit for it...

Mars23 said:

All this speculation is just that; meaningless speculation. Clearly this artist does not understand MJ. There is a winged naked baby on the cover and Michael is not molesting it. Symbol or not, the cover is not accurate.

Wow.

That's just a horrible, baiting comment from a moderator at that. Utterly disgraceful.