I was reading this book entitled "The New Astrologer:Insights for the Modern World" by Taina

Ketola. All twelve signs are grouped into stages. Ex. Aries : 1st stage, 2nd stage, and 3rd stage.

I began to read the chapter on Geminis, partly because I wanted to know what the author had

to say about them and also because I know Prince is a Gemini. There are examples of famous

people in different stages in each sign, I found Prince in stage 1. I do not want to go into full

detail due to brevity, but the book said Geminis whether the Gifted artist, Scientist, or eternal

student, hones on their skills, talent , or essential knowledge which will propel humanity forward.

I do not know Mr. Nelson on a personal level, but based on other sources and a keen perception

I believe it all to be possibly true. I know a lot of people deride Astrology as a pseudoscience, but

I believe we are influenced by things beyond the empirical reasonings of Science or Religion.

Prince has worked incredibly hard to get to where he is Today as a musical artist! My question

is does anyone feel that through Prince's work ethic, passion, and dedication to music that he

has moved humanity forward in some significant way?

When historians look back, surely they'll recognize Prince's influence on humanity as the equivalent of Nelson Mandela times Martin Luther King times Mahatama Gandhi.

DarlingNikki1025 said:

I was reading this book entitled "The New Astrologer:Insights for the Modern World" by Taina

Ketola. All twelve signs are grouped into stages. Ex. Aries : 1st stage, 2nd stage, and 3rd stage.

I began to read the chapter on Geminis, partly because I wanted to know what the author had

to say about them and also because I know Prince is a Gemini. There are examples of famous

people in different stages in each sign, I found Prince in stage 1. I do not want to go into full

detail due to brevity, but the book said Geminis whether the Gifted artist, Scientist, or eternal

student, hones on their skills, talent , or essential knowledge which will propel humanity forward.

I do not know Mr. Nelson on a personal level, but based on other sources and a keen perception

I believe it all to be possibly true. I know a lot of people deride Astrology as a pseudoscience, but

I believe we are influenced by things beyond the empirical reasonings of Science or Religion.

Prince has worked incredibly hard to get to where he is Today as a musical artist! My question

is does anyone feel that through Prince's work ethic, passion, and dedication to music that he

has moved humanity forward in some significant way?

Prince has moved us forward in more ways than one. He has always proven to me time and time again that one can be who they want to be. And I think Prince really showed the world that looking on the outside and judging will get you nowhere and you will miss out on something great. Prince has always dressed in crazy fashion and done things different than the norm, yet, he has thing amazing genius body of work that most people wouldn't expect!

From interviews of his and things I've read about him, I would conclude that Prince has a good heart and lots of love inside. He has done so much for others in the music industry, he literally have made dreams come true for some folks that probably would have never made it without him!

Now he is transforming things on a whole new level. He is still showing that you can be yourself and still have people love and respect you. Prince has always been an inspiration for me. And I know he has been for many others too. And whenever you can inspire someone to reach for their fullest potential, you've moved humanity. No matter how great or small, he's made a difference in music and life in general. Prince as an artist AND man is nothing short of amazing!

I think I know the book you are talking about, although I have not read it. Prince is used as a case study by many astrologers (I always get a kick out of it when he's mentioned in workshops ), because both the man and his birth chart are very interesting - I'm not sure how Brother Nelson would feel about that these days though .

But Gemini or no Gemini, there is surely no question that Prince has had a profound impact on a generation of musicians - who will then go on to influence the next generation, and so on, and in that sense, I believe he has moved humanity forward musically (at least).

As Daphne said, I feel he's also had an impact through his ability to innovate - humanity tends to be propelled forward predominantly by those who aren't afraid to try something new, regardless of advice to the contrary.

Personally, I feel he has done considerably more than that though (ie. beyond the scope of music), but that of course is especially subjective, in that much of what he shares through his music resonates with my own spiritual beliefs.

I am deeply grateful to artists such as Prince, not because the world is a better place with them in it, but because they are the ones that reveal to us how wonderful this world truly is.

CJBabyDaddy said:

When historians look back, surely they'll recognize Prince's influence on humanity as the equivalent of Nelson Mandela times Martin Luther King times Mahatama Gandhi.

Signature worthy.

Chiquetet said:

Personally, I feel he has done considerably more than that though (ie. beyond the scope of music), but that of course is especially subjective, in that much of what he shares through his music resonates with my own spiritual beliefs.

I am deeply grateful to artists such as Prince, not because the world is a better place with them in it, but because they are the ones that reveal to us how wonderful this world truly is.

I agree with you on both parts here!! Prince somehow always makes everything so much brighter. He is a tool and he is allowing himself to be used in such a positive manner, I respect him so much for that!! I hope he continues to help us all see the truth and the wonder of what we have...

CJBabyDaddy said:

When historians look back, surely they'll recognize Prince's influence on humanity as the equivalent of Nelson Mandela times Martin Luther King times Mahatama Gandhi.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

He is a tool

That's more like it!!!

yeah, i do !!

even with his flaws (which we all have)

his hard work , creativity ,and ingenuity has set a bar for younger musicians to jump over

like that Micheal Jordan commerical he says" dont be like me, be better than me " (yes! i know he was tying to sell shoes but you get my drift)

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langebleu said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

He is a tool

That's more like it!!!

rofl

CJBabyDaddy said:

I think so. Even in his ealier releases, social justice was a theme.

It is this aspect of his being which stands at the forefront of his

musical aim these days...which is to use his art to reminds us of

peace, the Creator and unity which may be found through music.

Unlike many artists, Prince cannot be put into a musical or identity

category...he has always stood for the hybrid-ness in musical

forms, and in his example as a citizen of the world, side-stepped

any label by sharing his own version of truth (often miss-understood)

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NelsonR said:

CJBabyDaddy said:

When historians look back, surely they'll recognize Prince's influence on humanity as the equivalent of Nelson Mandela times Martin Luther King times Mahatama Gandhi.

Considering he's gone backwards, i can't see how Prince has taken humanity forwards.

Ya know, I betcha at least 90% of the humanity that's existed during Prince's lifetime has no clue what his music sounds like, or knows anything about his personal views at all. Probably more like 95%. Maybe even more than that. He's just a musician, makin' some tunes. And he'd be the first one to tell you to look elsewhere for answers regarding moving humanity forward.

No.

CJBabyDaddy said:

When historians look back, surely they'll recognize Prince's influence on humanity as the equivalent of Nelson Mandela times Martin Luther King times Mahatama Gandhi.

Pfft.. and exaclty how many instruments could Gandhi play??

sure, there was a point where he was cutting edge and influenced a lot of people in very positive ways.

Cerebus said:

Ya know, I betcha at least 90% of the humanity that's existed during Prince's lifetime has no clue what his music sounds like, or knows anything about his personal views at all. Probably more like 95%. Maybe even more than that. He's just a musician, makin' some tunes. And he'd be the first one to tell you to look elsewhere for answers regarding moving humanity forward.

The scale is obviously relative.

I believe that most people make a positive impact on humanity at some stage. I believe that the messages in a lot of Prince's music contribute to more people making said impact and in that sense, he is helping to propel humanity forward (at least in the areas where his music reaches).

He may "just be a musician makin' some tunes", but he wouldn't be the first musician to influence humanity through his music.

Even way up the scale where we do find the men CJBabyDaddy mentioned and you could still ask the same question - I bet at least 70% of humanity doesn't know who Martin Luther King is, but no one who does know who he is would question the impact he had on humanity.

A few months ago a "Big Issue" seller on a street corner near my apartment was telling me about a women he'd been studying in school (he's gone back to get his high school diploma). I listened while he went through a familiar story which he was obviously fascinated with. He couldn't quite remember her name though, so I filled him in at the end - Rosa Parks.

The majority of humanity wouldn't know her name, what she looks like or anything about her personal views - "all" she did on that famous day was sit on a bus - yet her legacy continues to inspire and propel humanity forwards and will no doubt do so for years and years to come.

And before anyone jumps on me, no I'm not putting Prince into these categories, I just disagree with the argument that because the majority of humanity doesn't know who you are, or because you're "just" a musician or a seamstress or whatever, that you can't move humanity forward.

You never know what your actions might be a catalyst for, no matter how big or small.

Prince: World Healer...

Chiquetet said:

Cerebus said:

Ya know, I betcha at least 90% of the humanity that's existed during Prince's lifetime has no clue what his music sounds like, or knows anything about his personal views at all. Probably more like 95%. Maybe even more than that. He's just a musician, makin' some tunes. And he'd be the first one to tell you to look elsewhere for answers regarding moving humanity forward.

The scale is obviously relative.

I believe that most people make a positive impact on humanity at some stage. I believe that the messages in a lot of Prince's music contribute to more people making said impact and in that sense, he is helping to propel humanity forward (at least in the areas where his music reaches).

He may "just be a musician makin' some tunes", but he wouldn't be the first musician to influence humanity through his music.

Even way up the scale where we do find the men CJBabyDaddy mentioned and you could still ask the same question - I bet at least 70% of humanity doesn't know who Martin Luther King is, but no one who does know who he is would question the impact he had on humanity.

A few months ago a "Big Issue" seller on a street corner near my apartment was telling me about a women he'd been studying in school (he's gone back to get his high school diploma). I listened while he went through a familiar story which he was obviously fascinated with. He couldn't quite remember her name though, so I filled him in at the end - Rosa Parks.

The majority of humanity wouldn't know her name, what she looks like or anything about her personal views - "all" she did on that famous day was sit on a bus - yet her legacy continues to inspire and propel humanity forwards and will no doubt do so for years and years to come.

And before anyone jumps on me, no I'm not putting Prince into these categories, I just disagree with the argument that because the majority of humanity doesn't know who you are, or because you're "just" a musician or a seamstress or whatever, that you can't move humanity forward.

You never know what your actions might be a catalyst for, no matter how big or small.

Very well said! Great analogies. Everyone on the org has been moved by Prince in some way, otherwise they wouldn't be here!! So yes, he has moved humanity. And everywhere I go, I meet people who say Prince has inspired them. He can go to many countries around the world and sell out a concert, so he has reached millions of people. Plus, I'm seeing a BIG rush of young people (under the age of 18) who are new Prince fans and are being inspired by him, so his impact will continue on...Just because you don't win a Nobel Prize or have a holiday, doesn't mean you haven't changed the world...

Y'all need to lay off the Prince crack.

The only way Prince has moved humanity forward is by making a video for Little Red Corvette and a song that would translate into the mainstream MOR market. By doing so, he became one of the first black musicians to crossover on MTV and helped to break down a few, not wholly important prejudicial barriers - not wholly important because I imagine a persecuted minority may want a minimum wage before they was a representative on MTV - anyhoo... that's the only way in which I can think of Prince as having 'advanced' humanity.

He nearly did it with his spirituality and a, seemingly, interesting and quirky search for God and religious belief/comfort/assurance, but then he gave up the ghost and became a member of an exclusionist religion, entirely at odds with his all-embracing earlier self.

purplethunder3121 said:

purpledoveuk said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Prince: World Healer...

Prince - fucking the whole world in the arse whilst looking like he's disgusted by it's very existence and needs to wash his hands

only stupid people get fucked up the ass by Prince

purpledoveuk said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Prince: World Healer...

Prince - fucking the whole world in the arse whilst looking like he's disgusted by it's very existence and needs to wash his hands

Yeah, well that's the way a lot of us feel about the world nowadays. So FUCK the world, Prince, PLEASE!!

Serena said:

DarlingNikki1025 said:

I was reading this book entitled "The New Astrologer:Insights for the Modern World" by Taina

Ketola. All twelve signs are grouped into stages. Ex. Aries : 1st stage, 2nd stage, and 3rd stage.

I began to read the chapter on Geminis, partly because I wanted to know what the author had

to say about them and also because I know Prince is a Gemini. There are examples of famous

people in different stages in each sign, I found Prince in stage 1. I do not want to go into full

detail due to brevity, but the book said Geminis whether the Gifted artist, Scientist, or eternal

student, hones on their skills, talent , or essential knowledge which will propel humanity forward.

I do not know Mr. Nelson on a personal level, but based on other sources and a keen perception

I believe it all to be possibly true. I know a lot of people deride Astrology as a pseudoscience, but

I believe we are influenced by things beyond the empirical reasonings of Science or Religion.

Prince has worked incredibly hard to get to where he is Today as a musical artist! My question

is does anyone feel that through Prince's work ethic, passion, and dedication to music that he

has moved humanity forward in some significant way?

I believe and feel he's only made things better for people who are hardcore fans of his. People who put into practice what he talks about. Fellow JW members who are enthusiats of his musical works. I may not be a JW but, I put a strong effort into Live4Love and having Love4oneanother. I have my faults and short coming but, before his music touched my heart I was 'out there' with my beliefs and how I thought the world was or is. This reminds me of another thread I just read.

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