Mintchip said:

jtfolden said:

Are you seriously suggesting that "Party like there's no tomorrow" did not exist prior to 1982?

Prince get's a partial credit for "Party like it's 1999" but the rest of the suggestion in this thread are BS. I really don't understand how certain people are so narrow in their references, whether its age or something else.

I'm half surprised someone has offered up the idea that Prince thought of space travel due to his lyrics in SOTT.

No, i'd agree 'party like there's no tomorrow' existed before 1982.

But 'party like it's (put a year in)' is a different phrase, used in a different context.

Similar? Sure. But I'm interested in how different phrases develop, where they come from, and every new step along the way is fascinating to me.

When a person writes "Party like it's 2011", they're making specific reference to 2011 being a year of intense celebration. So simply saying "Party like there's no tomorrow" doesn't cut it. You could say, "In 2011, we'll party like there's no tomorrow", but that's a different phrase again.

I don't think crediting Prince w/ vernacular is that big of a deal. Any public figure who stays around long enough will introduce sayings and terms. I don't get the resistence here. Anyone who has a platform - Justin Beiber, Madonna, Prince, Sarah Palin, Tickle Me Elmo - can introduce words into the vernacular.

Here's more:

Glam Slam:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/glam-slam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6U5Np6-f4

http://aglamslam.typepad.com/

http://www.myspace.com/glamslamuk

That's 4 different references to Glam Slam, none of which have anything to do w/ Prince. I guess it means a glamorous party, or...apparently a wrestling move? The point is the song came first, and introduced the words into the public consciousness.

Thieves in the Temple:

http://www.amazon.com/Thieves-Temple-America-Federal-Reserve/dp/0975965484

http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book-Reviews/2010/0510/Thieves-in-the-Temple

http://amento.typepad.com/thieves/

http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Journal-of-Lutheran-Ethics/Issues/October-2010/Thieves-in-the-Temple.aspx

Apparently the term "thieves in the temple" is used today to describe unworthy people in a holy place, and I can't find any reference that predates the song by Prince. It sounds like something biblical, or shakespearean, but i couldn't find it.

Fuck-Me Pumps:

http://www.lyricsmania.com/fuck_me_pumps_lyrics_amy_winehouse.html

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=come%20fuck%20me%20pumps

http://www.sex-lexis.com/F-Word-Dictionary/fuck-me%20pumps

There's a lot of talk about this in the 1990's, but Prince was using it in the late 80's.

These could be wrong, but I don't know why it causes so much grief on your end. The cool kids on the org need to lighten up a bit, methinks. You don't have to be right all the time, you know? That gets boring.

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Good job!

But guess what? It'll make no difference to those who want to be negative just to be negative.

But you're right!

PicassoFace said:

I hear/see people refer to Monday and "manic Monday" quite often.

This is a good one.

I've heard people refer to a "manic Monday" often also.

Mintchip said:

jtfolden said:

Are you seriously suggesting that "Party like there's no tomorrow" did not exist prior to 1982?

Prince get's a partial credit for "Party like it's 1999" but the rest of the suggestion in this thread are BS. I really don't understand how certain people are so narrow in their references, whether its age or something else.

I'm half surprised someone has offered up the idea that Prince thought of space travel due to his lyrics in SOTT.

No, i'd agree 'party like there's no tomorrow' existed before 1982.

But 'party like it's (put a year in)' is a different phrase, used in a different context.

Similar? Sure. But I'm interested in how different phrases develop, where they come from, and every new step along the way is fascinating to me.

When a person writes "Party like it's 2011", they're making specific reference to 2011 being a year of intense celebration. So simply saying "Party like there's no tomorrow" doesn't cut it. You could say, "In 2011, we'll party like there's no tomorrow", but that's a different phrase again.

I don't think crediting Prince w/ vernacular is that big of a deal. Any public figure who stays around long enough will introduce sayings and terms. I don't get the resistence here. Anyone who has a platform - Justin Beiber, Madonna, Prince, Sarah Palin, Tickle Me Elmo - can introduce words into the vernacular.

Here's more:

Glam Slam:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/glam-slam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6U5Np6-f4

http://aglamslam.typepad.com/

http://www.myspace.com/glamslamuk

That's 4 different references to Glam Slam, none of which have anything to do w/ Prince. I guess it means a glamorous party, or...apparently a wrestling move? The point is the song came first, and introduced the words into the public consciousness.

Thieves in the Temple:

http://www.amazon.com/Thieves-Temple-America-Federal-Reserve/dp/0975965484

http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book-Reviews/2010/0510/Thieves-in-the-Temple

http://amento.typepad.com/thieves/

http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Journal-of-Lutheran-Ethics/Issues/October-2010/Thieves-in-the-Temple.aspx

Apparently the term "thieves in the temple" is used today to describe unworthy people in a holy place, and I can't find any reference that predates the song by Prince. It sounds like something biblical, or shakespearean, but i couldn't find it.

Fuck-Me Pumps:

http://www.lyricsmania.com/fuck_me_pumps_lyrics_amy_winehouse.html

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=come%20fuck%20me%20pumps

http://www.sex-lexis.com/F-Word-Dictionary/fuck-me%20pumps

There's a lot of talk about this in the 1990's, but Prince was using it in the late 80's.

These could be wrong, but I don't know why it causes so much grief on your end. The cool kids on the org need to lighten up a bit, methinks. You don't have to be right all the time, you know? That gets boring.

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Oh brother.

Glam Slam: You list a link to a website about sports and fashion. Glam has been around for ages and "Grand Slam" is a baseball term. The woman in the logo is holding a baseball bat. Purleez, as Bart would say.

The MySpace page you listed even goes as far as to quote Prince lyrics. Again, this is a Prince fan utilizing Prince terms to suit his endeavors. This is not an example of it being part of the vernacular. A good barometer for this would be television because writers often use contemporary lingo. Not a catch-all, but it still is some place to look.

I don't understand why people think that questioning is a bad thing. It always has to turn into some big giant offensive ordeal. People had to be wrong along the way for the right answers to show.

Spinlight said:

I don't understand why people think that questioning is a bad thing. It always has to turn into some big giant offensive ordeal. People had to be wrong along the way for the right answers to show.

Usually it's the cults and fundamentalist religions that are against questioning... It must be the Cult Of Prince at work here.

Apparently facts are boring and the idea we might shun the delusion that Prince invented the variant of english language as commonly used today is sacrilegious. :Falloff:

jtfolden said:

Spinlight said:

I don't understand why people think that questioning is a bad thing. It always has to turn into some big giant offensive ordeal. People had to be wrong along the way for the right answers to show.

Usually it's the cults and fundamentalist religions that are against questioning... It must be the Cult Of Prince at work here.

Apparently facts are boring and the idea we might shun the delusion that Prince invented the variant of english language as commonly used today is sacrilegious. :Falloff:

I think people have the idea that "Right = Good, Wrong = Bad" drilled into their head. It's that religious guilt creeping in. Of course, people don't automatically identify it as subconscious guilt creeping up because that would open an even bigger can of worms that, in religious terms, would end up condemning them.

Spinlight said:

jtfolden said:

Usually it's the cults and fundamentalist religions that are against questioning... It must be the Cult Of Prince at work here.

Apparently facts are boring and the idea we might shun the delusion that Prince invented the variant of english language as commonly used today is sacrilegious. :Falloff:

I think people have the idea that "Right = Good, Wrong = Bad" drilled into their head. It's that religious guilt creeping in. Of course, people don't automatically identify it as subconscious guilt creeping up because that would open an even bigger can of worms that, in religious terms, would end up condemning them.

hm.

I disagree either of you are questioning anything. Questioning would involve listening, or even trying to understand the limits another person's argument.

I think the guy who said prince invented swaying your hands at concerts could have been set straight, but instead he was mocked.

"Facts" are not boring at all. That's why i included links to books and articles and discussions using these terms, but not mentioning Prince. "Facts", right?

If the myspace page was a prince fan, then ya, totally discount it. It doesn't change the fact (which i didn't know until now) that "glam" + "slam" is apparently out there, being used. Not by anyone I know, but it's there.

If a singer can tell us to strike a pose, and Sarah Palin can invent entire phrases via facebook, than ya, I think Prince might be able to contribute a bit. You said that's a "delusion"?

Meanwhile I'm a member of the "Cult of Prince"? I'm sorry, were you saying something about facts?

Lastly, claiming an opposing argument is the result of "religious subconscious guilt" is lazy at best. Nobody's discussing religion, and it's subconscious (thought crime!) so how can I refute?

Now if you'll excuse me i'm going to go pray for all my sins

Oh, also...what about 'pop life'?

As in "Pop" + "Life"?

20 Years in the pop life.

Where's it come from? Warhol? Prince? How old is the expression? Somebody made it up.

This one is toughie...

The first thing that came to my mind was "why don't you purify yourself in the cool waters of Lake Minetonka" or whatever. But then I realized that isn't the purprose of this thread. And the people who use that are either Prince fans or they got it from one of those parodies on the Purple Rain movie. I think the thread should just be retitled, "popular Prince catch phrases".... he clearly didn't influence vernacular.

MyLuv229 said:

This one is toughie...

The first thing that came to my mind was "why don't you purify yourself in the cool waters of Lake Minetonka" or whatever. But then I realized that isn't the purprose of this thread. And the people who use that are either Prince fans or they got it from one of those parodies on the Purple Rain movie. I think the thread should just be retitled, "popular Prince catch phrases".... he clearly didn't influence vernacular.

sro100 said:

BorisFishpaw said:

I don't think there are any (and this thread has been going for 4 pages,

so I'm sure if any existed, someone would have found examples by now)

Certainly, Prince has taken existing phrases and sometimes put his own spin on them.

But I've yet to any examples where a pure Prince phrase has entered the vernacular

and taken on a life outside being used in connection with Prince.

Party like it's _____? Yeah it's never, ever been used outside of a Prince conncection?1

No, it hasn't really. "Party like there's no tomorrow" (and several other variations) existed way before Prince used it. Of course "Party like it's 1999" was Prince's version, and was used by other people (especially in the year 1999). However, it never lost it's connection to Prince as it was always used as a quote from the song. Of course once we'd passed the year 1999, the phrase wasn't really used again.

Bambiesque said:

The replacement of words with numbers, such as in I Would Die 4 U or Nothing Compares 2 U has become far too commonplace in what is now known as "text speak". It could be argued that Prince was a trend setter in this respect!

Nope, that existed way before Prince too. He certainly helped make it popular though.

jtfolden said:

Revolution said:

Prince started the shorthanded texting concept....even the haters can't deny that.

R U ready 2 C the Dawn?

"Haters"?

Are you suggesting that no one abbreviated letters like that prior to him doing it and that people picked it up for the purposes of texting entirely because of him?

He made it popular.

Cant U C?

MyLuv229 said:

This one is toughie...

The first thing that came to my mind was "why don't you purify yourself in the cool waters of Lake Minetonka" or whatever. But then I realized that isn't the purprose of this thread. And the people who use that are either Prince fans or they got it from one of those parodies on the Purple Rain movie. I think the thread should just be retitled, "popular Prince catch phrases".... he clearly didn't influence vernacular.

i realize that i'm siding w/ people who think he invented text speak (he didn't), and i promise this is my last word on this, but there's a distinction here that's worth elaborating.

I see "catch phrase" as a saying that works its way into everyday speech. Things like "shwing", "not", "as if", "do I make you horny?", and whatever Urkel said. You hear it on the street, and it's primary use is spoken. Of course, it's a phrase.

I don't think Prince has any, not even 'party like it's'. Nobody says that out loud.

But to influence the etymology of words, and the way we put them together, is a very different thing.

"Death Panel" was nothing before 2009, although "death" and "panel" existed separately. And then a Facebook entry places the words next to each other, the poetic effect sticks in your mind, and "Death Panel" is born. Sure, it's an evolution of "death squad", or "hiring panel", but the meaning is different. Pop music, poetry, lyrics, are great way of putting strange words next to each other, to create new meanings.

Similarly, these people aren't titling their books "Robbers in the Church", or "Temple Thieves". Somehow or another "thieves in the temple" - that phrase exactly - is out there. I don't know why.

These things are subtle, and I'm not saying he re invented the wheel. But "pop life", "love bizarre", "glam slam", "f#ck me pumps" - i think these precise combinations of words are out there, being used to convey things.

The dead horse...is now sufficiently...beaten.

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Mintchip said:

MyLuv229 said:

This one is toughie...

The first thing that came to my mind was "why don't you purify yourself in the cool waters of Lake Minetonka" or whatever. But then I realized that isn't the purprose of this thread. And the people who use that are either Prince fans or they got it from one of those parodies on the Purple Rain movie. I think the thread should just be retitled, "popular Prince catch phrases".... he clearly didn't influence vernacular.

i realize that i'm siding w/ people who think he invented text speak (he didn't), and i promise this is my last word on this, but there's a distinction here that's worth elaborating.

I see "catch phrase" as a saying that works its way into everyday speech. Things like "shwing", "not", "as if", "do I make you horny?", and whatever Urkel said. You hear it on the street, and it's primary use is spoken. Of course, it's a phrase.

I don't think Prince has any, not even 'party like it's'. Nobody says that out loud.

But to influence the etymology of words, and the way we put them together, is a very different thing.

"Death Panel" was nothing before 2009, although "death" and "panel" existed separately. And then a Facebook entry places the words next to each other, the poetic effect sticks in your mind, and "Death Panel" is born. Sure, it's an evolution of "death squad", or "hiring panel", but the meaning is different. Pop music, poetry, lyrics, are great way of putting strange words next to each other, to create new meanings.

Similarly, these people aren't titling their books "Robbers in the Church", or "Temple Thieves". Somehow or another "thieves in the temple" - that phrase exactly - is out there. I don't know why.

These things are subtle, and I'm not saying he re invented the wheel. But "pop life", "love bizarre", "glam slam", "f#ck me pumps" - i think these precise combinations of words are out there, being used to convey things.

The dead horse...is now sufficiently...beaten.

[Edited 10/25/10 8:50am]

Well said. BTW, I had no idea this innocuous idea would inspire such vitriol.

No idea. I've been called everything in the book!!

On this board; it seems, a lot of folks feel Prince is "theirs." Meaning he's insignificant, he has no fans except nutsos and again, for some reason, they feel he has no fans outside this board. They own him.

They take pleasure in knocking him down because, I believe, by extension, they feel they're hurting us "nutjobs." Ha ha. "I made someone feel bad."

Maybe....

Or else they're just inconsiderate assholes who have nothing in the real world so they enjoy being tough on here.

Just an idea.

i just used 3 fine and sooooo sexxxxy in the same facebook status update

Does Purple Rain count?

pennylover said:

Does Purple Rain count?

Geez, go for an obscure one, why don't ya?!

Although you rarely if ever hear it in a conversation that's not centred around Prince, given that it's used as a term to describe types of fabric softener, body spray, pencil colours and Lord knows what else - that all have absolutely nothing to do with Prince - that's probably the best (if perhaps the only valid imo) answer thus far.

My favourite answer is still Carmen Electra though, flawed as the logic of it might be

....party like it's....(insert whatever)....i have seen that upteen times in newspapers and mags ...thats the most used prince phrase and i think most people know its referencing the prince song.......' purple reign ' is another phrase used a lot and its prince link...

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and ..of course...the famous....' i got butter for your muffin....but i'm too old to hold the knife ! ' ...

blackbob said:

....party like it's....(insert whatever)....i have seen that upteen times in newspapers and mags ...thats the most used prince phrase and i think most people know its referencing the prince song.......' purple reign ' is another phrase used a lot and its prince link...

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and ..of course...the famous....' i got butter for your muffin....but i'm too old to hold the knife ! ' ...

What does that mean?"Butter?...Muffin?...

Eyeofthelotus said:

blackbob said:

....party like it's....(insert whatever)....i have seen that upteen times in newspapers and mags ...thats the most used prince phrase and i think most people know its referencing the prince song.......' purple reign ' is another phrase used a lot and its prince link...

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and ..of course...the famous....' i got butter for your muffin....but i'm too old to hold the knife ! ' ...

What does that mean?"Butter?...Muffin?...

Muffin = vagina

Butter= cum

Spinlight said:

Eyeofthelotus said:

What does that mean?"Butter?...Muffin?...

Muffin = vagina

Butter= cum

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