robinhood said:

Pentacle said:

It's been bad for 15 years. True fans/friends would put him out of his misery...

the crowds in europe seem to be enjoying his shows, apparently he's performing really well too. seems he's succeeding in bringing some happiness to people to this very day.

he may or may not be clinging to yesteryear, or perhaps he's just paying his bills doing what he loves, but either way, he's making people happy and he's getting something out of it too.

if you dont like his records, then you dont have to buy them i guess. he might not care a hoot what you do with your money, when there are thousands of people all over the world who still respect him.

thousands of people who never clung so tight to his every breath so as to become obsessed with the imaginary sense of authority they feel their opinions must have over one of the greatest music legends of our time.

i guess their just grateful he's still around and they can go see him in concert. seems a reasonable attitude to me.

Very true, especially this part... and with that legacy now belonging somewhat to the past, so does their authority. Guess they, or more honestly maybe 'we', can not comfortably play out the game like Prince does.

Negative criticisim about his current concert series being lame considered to what he did in the past are therefore probably mostly meant to establish that same imaginary sense of supreme inside knowledge about something that younger or newer followers didn't have the privilige to witness.

Indeed, his music and possibly the man himself were MUCH more interesting then on an artistic and intellectual level, same as it was to be a knowledgeable fan back then... and no, the current tour is by far no 'parade', but after I had put aside my melancholic memories of what has been (or could have been), I enjoyed the show this year for what it was: a highly entertaining concert by a great musician.

Hi everybody! Im a new member & this is my 1st contribution. I have been a P fan since 1984 when my mother purchased Purple Rain. Oh how i love that album! And so began a lifetime of collecting his work. Admittedly i don't like all of his work but that's just me. We are all individuals and that is what makes us unique. I have stood by Prince,as a fan, thru every decision he has ever made no matter how bizarre it seems, my bedroom,ph and puter are all decorated with his symbol, yes he has toned down his work quite a bit and some people don't understand it but u know if u listen u will hear the Prince of old shine thru. Everybody is entitled 2 an opinion but u will never hear me rubbish Prince or his work.o)-+->

As far as the upcoming U.S. shows are concerned, my feeling (and I imagine a lot of other's as well) is that I am afraid all the other acts will: A. Take up time Prince could be playing, thus shortening his set. B. Cause the tickets to be more expensive than if it were just a Prince show. and C. Guest on songs during Prince's set, enabling him to just hang in the background, not singing his songs.

Maybe it's just me-no, it's definitely not just me. I just want to see Prince. Not everybody who is a Prince fan is necessarily going to be into all these other artists. I'm not saying they aren't talented, they just aren't my thing. Now, if it was Betty Davis, Parliament/Funkadelic, and Stevie Wonder, yeah, I'd totally be shitting my pants over it.

vitriol said:

DMSRdove said:

so bare with me

I'm already naked...

Ditto.

GuardianAngel said:

Bohemian67 said:

Really?

As if taking something out of context to misrepresent facts makes any sense.

That goes for your second post too. Go back and read in original context. Implying that a poster without an opinion, criticism or the balls to say so, means they have the semantical feature of being not only -animate and - human but a +plant.

Semantics aside, if someone thinks brain usage can be measured by being a critic of Prince then please, share the next joke.

You seem to be biased when reading posts and interpreting them. Backchaining is something else then reversing a proposition. Maybe if you let loose a little you might not feel threatened or offended by posts that weren't necessarily meant that way. Peace.

Peace to you too brother/sister.

I always do a background check on those picking up on "my specific" posts. Your posts showed you don't come here often. Your responses were to certain people, who tend to hang around in groups here and have fun in insulting Prince and other members. So yes my post was biased. However, your proposition had nothing to do with the topic so I didn't see your point.

I don't feel threatened, and Prince org is definitely not a place I'd like to hang loose in. It's barely a place where there is genuine respect for each member. We have age/new member/old member/religious and sex descrimination in here.

Thanks for the thought though.

lovesexy06 said:

Hi everybody! Im a new member & this is my 1st contribution. I have been a P fan since 1984 when my mother purchased Purple Rain. Oh how i love that album! And so began a lifetime of collecting his work. Admittedly i don't like all of his work but that's just me. We are all individuals and that is what makes us unique. I have stood by Prince,as a fan, thru every decision he has ever made no matter how bizarre it seems, my bedroom,ph and puter are all decorated with his symbol, yes he has toned down his work quite a bit and some people don't understand it but u know if u listen u will hear the Prince of old shine thru. Everybody is entitled 2 an opinion but u will never hear me rubbish Prince or his work.o)-+->

Welcome aboard lovesexy06. You sound like a true fan And a young one too!

I also don't like all of Prince's music but fortunately, he works so hard, we have more than enough to choose from to tickle our earbuds.

GuardianAngel said:

robinhood said:

the crowds in europe seem to be enjoying his shows, apparently he's performing really well too. seems he's succeeding in bringing some happiness to people to this very day.

he may or may not be clinging to yesteryear, or perhaps he's just paying his bills doing what he loves, but either way, he's making people happy and he's getting something out of it too.

if you dont like his records, then you dont have to buy them i guess. he might not care a hoot what you do with your money, when there are thousands of people all over the world who still respect him.

thousands of people who never clung so tight to his every breath so as to become obsessed with the imaginary sense of authority they feel their opinions must have over one of the greatest music legends of our time.

i guess their just grateful he's still around and they can go see him in concert. seems a reasonable attitude to me.

Very true, especially this part... and with that legacy now belonging somewhat to the past, so does their authority. Guess they, or more honestly maybe 'we', can not comfortably play out the game like Prince does.

Negative criticisim about his current concert series being lame considered to what he did in the past are therefore probably mostly meant to establish that same imaginary sense of supreme inside knowledge about something that younger or newer followers didn't have the privilige to witness.

Indeed, his music and possibly the man himself were MUCH more interesting then on an artistic and intellectual level, same as it was to be a knowledgeable fan back then... and no, the current tour is by far no 'parade', but after I had put aside my melancholic memories of what has been (or could have been), I enjoyed the show this year for what it was: a highly entertaining concert by a great musician.

exactly. we can love the past as much as we like, but it doesnt exist anymore. making comparisons between then and now diminishes our appreciation.

that being said 20ten doesnt move me, but i can still recognise and appreciate that it is the work of a consummate professional musician who still has something to say, whether i like it or not.

yesterdays prince does not exist, except in the archives of our memory and the photographic replays on message boards.

musically, if we want to bring the past into the present moment, we can always put on our favorite prince CD from the 80's or 90's or whatever flavor suits us.

the unwillingness to accept change is not just a prince-fan problem, it is a human problem, and we, as high and mighty judges of the workings of the universe and therefore all life on earth,

consider our subjective opinions on prince's music to be the final say.

there's no personal power in failing to act in one's own best interests. if we dont like his current work, we can easily remove ourselves from its presence.

the helpless approach is to constantly project our misery loud and proud in the hope this will somehow change the situation to our personal liking.

the bigger picture in most scenarios is rarely the window out of which we will choose to base our opinions.

we are relatively small-minded people only capable of addressing the ant-hill in front of us whilst remaining oblivious to the galaxy around us.

this is not to suggest we are not entitled to our opinion, but to put those opinions in proper perspective and relegate them to the correct sentiment of pure subjectivity,

and not the over-bearing authority us humans tend to think we are well-endowed with and absolutely must display, with as much fervor as possible.

prince must bow, bend, change, be what we each want him to be. his music must reflect precisely what we want to hear. we are his ruler, his king, and his kingdom.

without us, he would not be where he is today, as a multimillionaire living it up on our cash. deliver, fool. or we will smite thee.

you are here on earth to serve us, and us alone.

we therefore, must be great, by association. dammit prince. please be excellent. or i wont look good anymore. ur cramping my style. you are my creation.

please dont embarrass me. no. you may not change into anything other than that which will suit me.

i may hide behind the guise of being a music appreciator with reasonably good and sane musical taste to back up my authority on the matters of your music and business decisions, but dont let that fool you.

you have merely become the portal through which i express my own psychology, the mirror into which i peer and am either delighted or traumatized by what i see.

the past is the reflection i like best. be that. and whatever you do, dont tell me its me who needs to change.

that would be most inconvenient.

robinhood said:

the helpless approach is to constantly project our misery loud and proud in the hope this will somehow change the situation to our personal liking.

[Edited 10/27/10 6:13am]

I am more of a fan of his music, i happen to like his first 14 albums much better than the last several. being a fan means i do not have to love it all. I do not like everything the people I love do... but that dosn't mean I do not love them,

I would suggest that if someone says it is all great might be missing much of what made the earlier stuff so great. Maybe those that say the new suff is not as good are better fans as we know his music better?

Dogsinthetrees said:

As far as the upcoming U.S. shows are concerned, my feeling (and I imagine a lot of other's as well) is that I am afraid all the other acts will: A. Take up time Prince could be playing, thus shortening his set. B. Cause the tickets to be more expensive than if it were just a Prince show. and C. Guest on songs during Prince's set, enabling him to just hang in the background, not singing his songs.

Maybe it's just me-no, it's definitely not just me. I just want to see Prince. Not everybody who is a Prince fan is necessarily going to be into all these other artists. I'm not saying they aren't talented, they just aren't my thing. Now, if it was Betty Davis, Parliament/Funkadelic, and Stevie Wonder, yeah, I'd totally be shitting my pants over it.

robinhood said:

GuardianAngel said:

Very true, especially this part... and with that legacy now belonging somewhat to the past, so does their authority. Guess they, or more honestly maybe 'we', can not comfortably play out the game like Prince does.

Negative criticisim about his current concert series being lame considered to what he did in the past are therefore probably mostly meant to establish that same imaginary sense of supreme inside knowledge about something that younger or newer followers didn't have the privilige to witness.

Indeed, his music and possibly the man himself were MUCH more interesting then on an artistic and intellectual level, same as it was to be a knowledgeable fan back then... and no, the current tour is by far no 'parade', but after I had put aside my melancholic memories of what has been (or could have been), I enjoyed the show this year for what it was: a highly entertaining concert by a great musician.

the unwillingness to accept change is not just a prince-fan problem, it is a human problem, and we, as high and mighty judges of the workings of the universe and therefore all life on earth,

The unwillingness to accept that something is dead, like love/a relationship, is a human problem.

You will make rhetorical excuses, you try and try to convince yourself that there's still something there, but hopefully, in the end, you will accept and move on.

And you'll be at a Prince concert, shouting Play Purple Rain! instead of Play the new stuff!

Pentacle said:

robinhood said:

the unwillingness to accept change is not just a prince-fan problem, it is a human problem, and we, as high and mighty judges of the workings of the universe and therefore all life on earth,

The unwillingness to accept that something is dead, like love/a relationship, is a human problem.

You will make rhetorical excuses, you try and try to convince yourself that there's still something there, but hopefully, in the end, you will accept and move on.

And you'll be at a Prince concert, shouting Play Purple Rain! instead of Play the new stuff!

never! i have been to prince shows and always wait for the b-sides..the new stuff..anything but PURPLE RAIN. Sure i love that song...its a classic. but i crave more and more new stuff..i roll with the changes, in my life. i roll with the changes in P's music. im progressive, so is P!

hhhhdmt said:

I dont know why people are attacking prince for his recent output. Name me one other artist in their fifties who's still making hits and groundbreaking music? And no Madonna doesnt count, Prince too could work with some bi producer, do a duet with a britney spears or someone like that and get a no 1 hit.

The fact is that most artists are at their best in their 20s and 30s and thats when they do their best work. Prince is no exception

Granted between 1996-2003 Prince relased too much music with no quality control, too many songs etc. But his output from 2004 until now is solid and respectable for an older artist. Quite frankly, if you havent liked a song he's done in the last six years, then maybe its time to stop being a fan and stick to the older stuff.

Prince still makes a song once in a while that i personally like- black sweat, chelsea rodgers etc. Thats why i'll want to buy his future records as well. There's nothing wrong with what he's done in the past six years. No great artist his age is still making their best music. Prince's work in the 80s and some of it in the 90's is more then enough for him to be one of the greats. Anything after that is just a bonus

Pentacle said:

robinhood said:

the unwillingness to accept change is not just a prince-fan problem, it is a human problem, and we, as high and mighty judges of the workings of the universe and therefore all life on earth,

The unwillingness to accept that something is dead, like love/a relationship, is a human problem.

You will make rhetorical excuses, you try and try to convince yourself that there's still something there, but hopefully, in the end, you will accept and move on.

And you'll be at a Prince concert, shouting Play Purple Rain! instead of Play the new stuff!

in my understanding, there is no such thing as death. energy never dies. it simply changes form.

but i do believe in a poetic type of death, a death that occurs when someone chooses to remove themselves from any hope of a gentle attitude toward themselves and others.

dead to compassion, dead to kindness, dead to cosmic logic, dead to humility, grace, and diplomacy.

dead to empathy, to sensitivity, to consideration, to gratitude, to appreciation, dead to respect.

tortured, gnawing away at the remotest chance of engaging in argument, point scoring, misery poisoning all contact with other human beings.

there's every chance i might agree with you, at a certain level, but perhaps i orbit around a different sun than you, one you cant see, while ur busy believing your opinion is correct.

anyway, im sure you'll find other artists to answer your service bell. have you looked for any others?

robinhood said:

Pentacle said:

anyway, im sure you'll find other artists to answer your service bell. have you looked for any others?

Of course. Over the years I've sought out a lot of other music - also because I, as opposed to Prince, evolve.

Intelligent posts Robinhood. I enjoyed them.

In a nutshell I think it's called Theomania.

Everyone wants to "be" God, but few believe in God. It's quite ironic actually.

Bohemian67 said:

Intelligent posts Robinhood. I enjoyed them.

In a nutshell I think it's called Theomania.

Everyone wants to "be" God, but few believe in God. It's quite ironic actually.

It would only be ironic if God actually existed.

Badaboom!

Pentacle said:

Bohemian67 said:

Intelligent posts Robinhood. I enjoyed them.

In a nutshell I think it's called Theomania.

Everyone wants to "be" God, but few believe in God. It's quite ironic actually.

It would only be ironic if God actually existed.

Badaboom!

Yes God, whatever you say.

DMSRdove said:

Why do people call themselves true fans when they choose to claim that Prince has "lost it" and that his newer matierial is garbage?

Do friends lie to eachother when life takes it's courses? No, they tell it to eachother straight up. True relationships are honest in every angle.

I don't hear intricate details or thought provoking musicianship in 20ten as I do in his earlier work, including lotusflow3r.

Pentacle said:

robinhood said:

anyway, im sure you'll find other artists to answer your service bell. have you looked for any others?

Of course. Over the years I've sought out a lot of other music - also because I, as opposed to Prince, evolve.

when a fish evolves into a land-dwelling mammal, does it keep swimming in the ocean?

Bohemian67 said:

Intelligent posts Robinhood. I enjoyed them.

In a nutshell I think it's called Theomania.

Everyone wants to "be" God, but few believe in God. It's quite ironic actually.

ur welcome and thanks for your very direct thoughts on this. in my understanding, we godless folk allow ourselves to be guided purely by ego.

our ego, much like satan and lucifer, believes itself to be supreme ruler of the universe. nothing to do with our true nature though, which humbly accepts its role as merely a part of a much bigger whole.

i'm sure we'll get there eventually though, seeing as we are such vehement evolutionists, our focus on our own evolution is right on the top of our list of priorities.

as we move away from our egoic and separatist approach to others, and the artist we abuse, our true nature will come through, we may even develop tact lol, and slowly but surely we will evolve into humane beings.

wont that be grand?

robinhood said:

Pentacle said:

Of course. Over the years I've sought out a lot of other music - also because I, as opposed to Prince, evolve.

when a fish evolves into a land-dwelling mammal, does it keep swimming in the ocean?

No, he builds a swimmingpool in his backyard.

Prince's good music is still good. It only makes the last 15 years more painful.

robinhood said:

GuardianAngel said:

Very true, especially this part... and with that legacy now belonging somewhat to the past, so does their authority. Guess they, or more honestly maybe 'we', can not comfortably play out the game like Prince does.

Negative criticisim about his current concert series being lame considered to what he did in the past are therefore probably mostly meant to establish that same imaginary sense of supreme inside knowledge about something that younger or newer followers didn't have the privilige to witness.

Indeed, his music and possibly the man himself were MUCH more interesting then on an artistic and intellectual level, same as it was to be a knowledgeable fan back then... and no, the current tour is by far no 'parade', but after I had put aside my melancholic memories of what has been (or could have been), I enjoyed the show this year for what it was: a highly entertaining concert by a great musician.

exactly. we can love the past as much as we like, but it doesnt exist anymore. making comparisons between then and now diminishes our appreciation.

that being said 20ten doesnt move me, but i can still recognise and appreciate that it is the work of a consummate professional musician who still has something to say, whether i like it or not.

yesterdays prince does not exist, except in the archives of our memory and the photographic replays on message boards.

musically, if we want to bring the past into the present moment, we can always put on our favorite prince CD from the 80's or 90's or whatever flavor suits us.

the unwillingness to accept change is not just a prince-fan problem, it is a human problem, and we, as high and mighty judges of the workings of the universe and therefore all life on earth,

consider our subjective opinions on prince's music to be the final say.

there's no personal power in failing to act in one's own best interests. if we dont like his current work, we can easily remove ourselves from its presence.

the helpless approach is to constantly project our misery loud and proud in the hope this will somehow change the situation to our personal liking.

the bigger picture in most scenarios is rarely the window out of which we will choose to base our opinions.

we are relatively small-minded people only capable of addressing the ant-hill in front of us whilst remaining oblivious to the galaxy around us.

this is not to suggest we are not entitled to our opinion, but to put those opinions in proper perspective and relegate them to the correct sentiment of pure subjectivity,

and not the over-bearing authority us humans tend to think we are well-endowed with and absolutely must display, with as much fervor as possible.

prince must bow, bend, change, be what we each want him to be. his music must reflect precisely what we want to hear. we are his ruler, his king, and his kingdom.

without us, he would not be where he is today, as a multimillionaire living it up on our cash. deliver, fool. or we will smite thee.

you are here on earth to serve us, and us alone.

we therefore, must be great, by association. dammit prince. please be excellent. or i wont look good anymore. ur cramping my style. you are my creation.

please dont embarrass me. no. you may not change into anything other than that which will suit me.

i may hide behind the guise of being a music appreciator with reasonably good and sane musical taste to back up my authority on the matters of your music and business decisions, but dont let that fool you.

you have merely become the portal through which i express my own psychology, the mirror into which i peer and am either delighted or traumatized by what i see.

the past is the reflection i like best. be that. and whatever you do, dont tell me its me who needs to change.

that would be most inconvenient.

Wow ! you nailed it lol.

Pentacle said:

robinhood said:

when a fish evolves into a land-dwelling mammal, does it keep swimming in the ocean?

No, he builds a swimmingpool in his backyard.

Prince's good music is still good. It only makes the last 15 years more painful.

well, you seem to be suffering quite a bit. i'm wondering if ur earlier comment about prince is really about you:

"a true friend/fan would put him out of his misery" - sorry if thats not an exact quote.

why does it pain you so much? what do you want prince to do for you?

have you considered that maybe he has his own pain? a pain he can never fully put his finger on, doesnt fully understand why he feels it, and is never quite certain of how to make it go away?

would it be presumptuous of me to say that nearly every human on the earth is afflicted with emotional anguish?

who is responsible?

He does have a pain.

In an interview,he said that if he stops writing music & whatnot,the music fills his head

And he needs to let it out because it causes fatigue.

So there you have it,Prince NEEDS music to clear his mind.

Eyeofthelotus said:

He does have a pain.

In an interview,he said that if he stops writing music & whatnot,the music fills his head

And he needs to let it out because it causes fatigue.

So there you have it,Prince NEEDS music to clear his mind.

Fine, make more music - just don't release it.

When you've invested in the music for years, enjoyed it because it is so good, it indeed pains to hear what Prince calls 'music' these days. He should retire gracefully and open the vault.

Pentacle said:

Eyeofthelotus said:

He does have a pain.

In an interview,he said that if he stops writing music & whatnot,the music fills his head

And he needs to let it out because it causes fatigue.

So there you have it,Prince NEEDS music to clear his mind.

Fine, make more music - just don't release it.

When you've invested in the music for years, enjoyed it because it is so good, it indeed pains to hear what Prince calls 'music' these days. He should retire gracefully and open the vault.

You make it sound as if you have got really good taste and excellent judgment in music.

Tell me. Is some of the music you made with Prince in the vault?

Bohemian67 said:

Pentacle said:

Fine, make more music - just don't release it.

When you've invested in the music for years, enjoyed it because it is so good, it indeed pains to hear what Prince calls 'music' these days. He should retire gracefully and open the vault.

You make it sound as if you have got really good taste and excellent judgment in music.

Tell me. Is some of the music you made with Prince in the vault?

Thank you, I do - that's also how I can judge Prince's output without being a megastar myself. According to you I'm not allowed to call Yoko Ono a bad singer, because I cannot sing myself, right...?

And yeah, I think that the album I recorded with Prince ("Flavoured Condom Jams") is still in his vault somewhere.

Pentacle said:

Fine, make more music - just don't release it.

When you've invested in the music for years, enjoyed it because it is so good, it indeed pains to hear what Prince calls 'music' these days. He should retire gracefully and open the vault.

in my opinion, and i hope i'm wrong, the only genuine relationship he has in his life is with his music. he doesnt have anything else except his music and his money. they are the only two things he can rely on.

what would he do if he retired? sit round the pool with his wife and kids? go on holidays to the bahamas? work on his tan?

open up paisley park again as a tourist attraction and sit upstairs in a semi-coma? while everyone rolls in to see the freak-show exhibits?

attempt to enjoy banal and ineffectual metaphysical conversations with his latest frankenstein girlfriend creation and precious darling musical peers? whomever that may be?

sign autographs at the local kingdom hall?

do interviews about his career? write a book? a book which his fans will pick to death because lets face it, it isnt often he makes any real sense? print the book in prince-bonics and release it through tabloids only?

do another photo-book? another 'look at my face. look at me me me me me' book? i am legend? i am god? i am poet extraordinaire? king of sexy silky sheets?

maybe its better if he continues to record his music and release it and tour when he wants to, because when you think about all the things he could get up to as a retired person, his future is questionable at best.

did i change my tune? no. i'm just glad we can chat better now that you can appreciate the difference between saying he should retire vs 'putting him out of his misery'.

cheers

Pentacle said:

Bohemian67 said:

You make it sound as if you have got really good taste and excellent judgment in music.

Tell me. Is some of the music you made with Prince in the vault?

Thank you, I do - that's also how I can judge Prince's output without being a megastar myself. According to you I'm not allowed to call Yoko Ono a bad singer, because I cannot sing myself, right...?

And yeah, I think that the album I recorded with Prince ("Flavoured Condom Jams") is still in his vault somewhere.

No.

The thread is about why posters, who think Prince's new stuff is garbage, call themselves fans.

What I can gather from your responses...please correct me if I'm wrong:

You say you'e a fan of the old "good" stuff but the last 15 years he has released material which is so bad you'd prefer to download kardashian sex videos. True fans/friends you say, would put Prince out of his misery. You think his music is so bad he should make it but not release it. You think you evolve because you listen to other artists, but Prince doesn't evolve.... (what a declarative statement!) You try to convince Robinhood that "hopefully in the end he'll realise that there's nothing in the new stuff." Finally, you think Prince should just retire.

So your answer to the thread I suppose is: "I am a fan because I like his old music." To be more specific, music up to and including 1995.

It's the extent of your comments that makes me think you are a riled ex-band member, WB employee or jilted lover. It had nothing to do with you being a good judge of music whether you make music or not.

"flavour condom jams"....interesting title.