dont know if this has been posted but prince's fantastic performance on the beatles while my guitar gently weeps is now approaching two million views on youtube.....if you type greatest guitar solo into youtube....you come up with prince....now its not the greatest guitar solo ever but its good to see him getting some recognition for his undoubted skills on the guitar ....most comments are amazed at how good he is and the usual negative comments from the knuckle draggers but ...hey two million views....fantastic...

blackbob said:

dont know if this has been posted but prince's fantastic performance on the beatles while my guitar gently weeps is now approaching two million views on youtube.....if you type greatest guitar solo into youtube....you come up with prince....now its not the greatest guitar solo ever but its good to see him getting some recognition for his undoubted skills on the guitar ....most comments are amazed at how good he is and the usual negative comments from the knuckle draggers but ...hey two million views....fantastic...

That is great, i only wish he would capitalize on the increase exposure. I'm not sure he understands that a lot of those two million views and positive feedback came from non prince fans. He hurts his brand when he thwarts mediums that expose him to people who aren't yet turned on to his immense talent. I have a co worker, 30/ musician/indie rock/ snobbish to a degree who totally wrote prince off as a dirty MJ. Honestly there are people out there who haven't bothered to make the distinction, they figure every androgynous black guy who can dance is alike. Anyway, he bought SOTT at a local music store for 4 bucks and now i cant get him to stop asking me questions. I wish i could send him to a Prince youtube channel cus i cant give the story justice.

dreamshaman32 said:

blackbob said:

dont know if this has been posted but prince's fantastic performance on the beatles while my guitar gently weeps is now approaching two million views on youtube.....if you type greatest guitar solo into youtube....you come up with prince....now its not the greatest guitar solo ever but its good to see him getting some recognition for his undoubted skills on the guitar ....most comments are amazed at how good he is and the usual negative comments from the knuckle draggers but ...hey two million views....fantastic...

That is great, i only wish he would capitalize on the increase exposure. I'm not sure he understands that a lot of those two million views and positive feedback came from non prince fans. He hurts his brand when he thwarts mediums that expose him to people who aren't yet turned on to his immense talent. I have a co worker, 30/ musician/indie rock/ snobbish to a degree who totally wrote prince off as a dirty MJ. Honestly there are people out there who haven't bothered to make the distinction, they figure every androgynous black guy who can dance is alike. Anyway, he bought SOTT at a local music store for 4 bucks and now i cant get him to stop asking me questions. I wish i could send him to a Prince youtube channel cus i cant give the story justice.

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

smoothcriminal12 said:

Justin Bieber is a Youtube sensation, not Prince.

blackbob said:

dreamshaman32 said:

That is great, i only wish he would capitalize on the increase exposure. I'm not sure he understands that a lot of those two million views and positive feedback came from non prince fans. He hurts his brand when he thwarts mediums that expose him to people who aren't yet turned on to his immense talent. I have a co worker, 30/ musician/indie rock/ snobbish to a degree who totally wrote prince off as a dirty MJ. Honestly there are people out there who haven't bothered to make the distinction, they figure every androgynous black guy who can dance is alike. Anyway, he bought SOTT at a local music store for 4 bucks and now i cant get him to stop asking me questions. I wish i could send him to a Prince youtube channel cus i cant give the story justice.

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

What a truly fantastic post this was. Kudos.

[Edited 9/15/10 9:13am]

blackbob said:

dont know if this has been posted but prince's fantastic performance on the beatles while my guitar gently weeps is now approaching two million views on youtube.....if you type greatest guitar solo into youtube....you come up with prince....now its not the greatest guitar solo ever but its good to see him getting some recognition for his undoubted skills on the guitar ....most comments are amazed at how good he is and the usual negative comments from the knuckle draggers but ...hey two million views....fantastic...

Indeed ... [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/113.gif[/img:$uid]

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

you know, I remember when Lovesexy came out, and the artwork just didn't faze me one bit. I went in, picked it up, took it to the counter, and paid for it. Given what we had seen from Prince up to that point (Dirty Mind cover, naked on a horse, etc), it was a non-issue. I have come to think that if someone had issues with it, it said more about them and how they thought in general.

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

& this again my friends is why he'll get a TON of recognition from non-fans when he's not longer living, like Hendrix ... Like you said and I say as well, it's part of his journey. More Candy 4 Us too ...

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

That's all true, all true. But if someone can't mentally get past a stage costume or ONLY want quiet storm ballads or ONLY shreading guitar noize, who gives a fuck about them. It's not like Prince is broke because these people can't open their eyes and minds.

Bluring and breaking gender and race boundaries is what Prince was all about. Fuck everyone else.

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

All of it so true, part of his enigma is the contradictions in what he professes and what he projects with his image. But i also think a lot of what he grabbed onto and projected (from day one) is a product of his environment. Prince is far better socialized than MJ because he went to public school and was exposed to many realities we all were. Looking at him i cant imagine he had it easy during the developmental years being small and kinda effeminate looking. Music was his equalizer and he immersedhimself in it, he also probably leaned towards androgyny and shock value to remove the boundaries he felt constricted other black artist.

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

All of it so true, part of his enigma is the contradictions in what he professes and what he projects with his image. But i also think a lot of what he grabbed onto and projected (from day one) is a product of his environment. Prince is far better socialized than MJ because he went to public school and was exposed to many realities we all were. Looking at him i cant imagine he had it easy during the developmental years being small and kinda effeminate looking. Music was his equalizer and he immersedhimself in it, he also probably leaned towards androgyny and shock value to remove the boundaries he felt constricted other black artist.

NouveauDance said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

That's all true, all true. But if someone can't mentally get past a stage costume or ONLY want quiet storm ballads or ONLY shredding guitar noise, who gives a fuck about them. It's not like Prince is broke because these people can't open their eyes and minds.

Blurring and breaking gender and race boundaries is what Prince was all about. Fuck everyone else.

Its like the flashy modern athlete with old school work ethic and professionalism. Most older musicians when assessing him never bothered with the presentation, they saw a kinship with Prince.

PurpleLove7 said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

& this again my friends is why he'll get a TON of recognition from non-fans when he's not longer living, like Hendrix ... Like you said and I say as well, it's part of his journey. More Candy 4 Us too ...

Cant tell you how many times i've heard someone say "i never really thought of him like that" after seeing the Super Bowl. Thats a crying shame. Actually i think he thought PR would put him in that prison when in truth it was his image. My mom really digs him now, she likes to say "prince has grown up! i didnt know he was so talented-but he still wearin them damned heels".

Prince doesn't give a damn about that!

People around here, myself included have been begging and pleading for him to utilize the power of Youtube for years! If he wasn't such a self-absorbed, dickhead, control freak, he could actually OWN a nice part of Youtube by now! Oh well, that's his loss!

Pr1nceQuik said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

What a truly fantastic post this was. Kudos.

[Edited 9/15/10 9:13am]

I second that!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Prince doesn't give a damn about that!

People around here, myself included have been begging and pleading for him to utilize the power of Youtube for years! If he wasn't such a self-absorbed, dickhead, control freak, he could actually OWN a nice part of Youtube by now! Oh well, that's his loss!

thank you.

NouveauDance said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

That's all true, all true. But if someone can't mentally get past a stage costume or ONLY want quiet storm ballads or ONLY shreading guitar noize, who gives a fuck about them. It's not like Prince is broke because these people can't open their eyes and minds.

Bluring and breaking gender and race boundaries is what Prince was all about. Fuck everyone else.

I hear you and totally understand what you are saying... but I have a different perspective. I do care because I feel like the gender bending, stage persona, obsessive "I'm not a woman ...I'm not a man" "male female symbol" crap is exhausting and has completely overshadowed what a fabulous musician he is. He has sacrificed his musical legacy for one that in the opinion of most of the music public (at least those who even care) paints him as a petulant and rebellious drag queen rather than a timeless and well respected musician.

Consider the theme of Lovesexy and how important he said it was to him. How he stopped the Black Album and prepared this one instead. He had something to say... Lovesexy was a very personal statement and he truly missed an opportunity to reach people all because of that narcissistic over the top picture.

Another poster talks about how other musicians view him or did. I totally get that because although I am not a musician a listen like one. I was sold out for Prince after hearing 1999 and Little Red Corvette, Something in the Water and All the Critics... but others can't even see Prince or hear those great songs because of his appearance then and even now.

It just is what is... and Prince has said fuck em'... just like you did... and in the process sacrificed a portion of his legacy that he claims is far more important than anything

His music

I don't think people are clicking on that link just to see Prince.

To me the Prince persona is a double edged sword.

Sure, it "scares" a certain portion of the population and it might make the fact that he is a musical genius secondary, or even unknown, to them.

However, that same freakiness is what got many people interested in the 1st place. I mean Bob Dylan is also a musical genius, but to me he is boring as hell so I am not able to fully appreciate him as I probably should.

At the end of the day, Prince did/does things his way. He is just so far ahead of the curve on so much it that it takes that certain portion of the population years to catch up. That's the way it is with genius...people are just now realizing how great Prince is/always was. I think this will only increase once he's gone.

Alexandernvrmind said:

He has sacrificed his musical legacy for one that in the opinion of most of the music public (at least those who even care) paints him as a petulant and rebellious drag queen rather than a timeless and well respected musician.

I think this was much more true in the 80's or 90's than it has been since 2004. I am not one for those "greatest artists of..." lists, but the fact that Prince was #7 on VH1's all time list shows just how far that perception you speak of has changed. Again, as far as the mainstream goes, there had been a god damned purple renaissance from 2004 on.

Not even a shitty Vikings song, or saying the internet is dead has changed that. Besides, how damaging can those things be for a rock star when the world's current fav pop star is wearing raw meat for a dress?

Alexandernvrmind said:

I hear you and totally understand what you are saying... but I have a different perspective. I do care because I feel like the gender bending, stage persona, obsessive "I'm not a woman ...I'm not a man" "male female symbol" crap is exhausting and has completely overshadowed what a fabulous musician he is. He has sacrificed his musical legacy for one that in the opinion of most of the music public (at least those who even care) paints him as a petulant and rebellious drag queen rather than a timeless and well respected musician.

Consider the theme of Lovesexy and how important he said it was to him. How he stopped the Black Album and prepared this one instead. He had something to say... Lovesexy was a very personal statement and he truly missed an opportunity to reach people all because of that narcissistic over the top picture.

Another poster talks about how other musicians view him or did. I totally get that because although I am not a musician a listen like one. I was sold out for Prince after hearing 1999 and Little Red Corvette, Something in the Water and All the Critics... but others can't even see Prince or hear those great songs because of his appearance then and even now.

It just is what is... and Prince has said fuck em'... just like you did... and in the process sacrificed a portion of his legacy that he claims is far more important than anything

His music

I understand your point, and really quite agree.

He does look naturally unusual, that's enough to put off some of these people. Even in a business suit, he'd still be a queer little thing.

I think more than the gender-bending, a bigger barrier has been his ego and bloody-mindedness (if you know that expression).

Coming back to the topic of the thread, like someone said above he could've already been all over YT etc if he hadn't thrown all his toys out of the pram about it. Same goes for remasters, vault and live releases. Even in interviews he's dick. I read a Herbie Hancock interview in the latest issue of Mojo magazine and he was completely down to earth and engaging about his past and his music - I really would like to hear this relatable engagement from Prince - because his cryptic arrogant silliness, which was once charming and cheeky, has just devolved into condescending dogma and blinkered insults. That whole thing puts people off, and these days when the amazing music isn't even there to back it up, well he just looks like an insular tosspot.

It is all a package though, would the music have be so great if he didn't have that FU attitude?

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

Like NouveauDance said, that's all true. But then again no. In my mind Prince's dressing up was part of his 80s persona, and the 80s were his most successful years. So in many ways your argument doesn't hold.

Also you both tend to come off as quite condescending, both of Prince and of the non-fans. Basicly you are saying that Prince is a great musician, but shouldn't dress like he did (as a true rock musician, I might add). And that the non-fans are bigots that don't care for music that comes from someone whose look they don't like.

This might also be part of an American thing. Here in Europe the Lovesexy album sold quite well.

blackbob said:

dont know if this has been posted but prince's fantastic performance on the beatles while my guitar gently weeps is now approaching two million views on youtube.....if you type greatest guitar solo into youtube....you come up with prince....now its not the greatest guitar solo ever but its good to see him getting some recognition for his undoubted skills on the guitar ....most comments are amazed at how good he is and the usual negative comments from the knuckle draggers but ...hey two million views....fantastic...

It is a great solo, by the way. But who is he performing with? I never heard of this before.

NouveauDance said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

I hear you and totally understand what you are saying... but I have a different perspective. I do care because I feel like the gender bending, stage persona, obsessive "I'm not a woman ...I'm not a man" "male female symbol" crap is exhausting and has completely overshadowed what a fabulous musician he is. He has sacrificed his musical legacy for one that in the opinion of most of the music public (at least those who even care) paints him as a petulant and rebellious drag queen rather than a timeless and well respected musician.

Consider the theme of Lovesexy and how important he said it was to him. How he stopped the Black Album and prepared this one instead. He had something to say... Lovesexy was a very personal statement and he truly missed an opportunity to reach people all because of that narcissistic over the top picture.

Another poster talks about how other musicians view him or did. I totally get that because although I am not a musician a listen like one. I was sold out for Prince after hearing 1999 and Little Red Corvette, Something in the Water and All the Critics... but others can't even see Prince or hear those great songs because of his appearance then and even now.

It just is what is... and Prince has said fuck em'... just like you did... and in the process sacrificed a portion of his legacy that he claims is far more important than anything

His music

I understand your point, and really quite agree.

He does look naturally unusual, that's enough to put off some of these people. Even in a business suit, he'd still be a queer little thing.

I think more than the gender-bending, a bigger barrier has been his ego and bloody-mindedness (if you know that expression).

Coming back to the topic of the thread, like someone said above he could've already been all over YT etc if he hadn't thrown all his toys out of the pram about it. Same goes for remasters, vault and live releases. Even in interviews he's dick. I read a Herbie Hancock interview in the latest issue of Mojo magazine and he was completely down to earth and engaging about his past and his music - I really would like to hear this relatable engagement from Prince - because his cryptic arrogant silliness, which was once charming and cheeky, has just devolved into condescending dogma and blinkered insults. That whole thing puts people off, and these days when the amazing music isn't even there to back it up, well he just looks like an insular tosspot.

It is all a package though, would the music have be so great if he didn't have that FU attitude?

I know what you mean... I remember watching the Tavis Smiley interview thinking ... Lord what are you talking about? All this unnecessary cryptic crap. Dick would be one of the words that can be used to describe him. Agree 100% it is all a package though. Looking back it just so clear to me that if Prince is displeased with his legacy and how he is perceived... he truly has no one to blame for that but himself.

irreverence said:

blackbob said:

dont know if this has been posted but prince's fantastic performance on the beatles while my guitar gently weeps is now approaching two million views on youtube.....if you type greatest guitar solo into youtube....you come up with prince....now its not the greatest guitar solo ever but its good to see him getting some recognition for his undoubted skills on the guitar ....most comments are amazed at how good he is and the usual negative comments from the knuckle draggers but ...hey two million views....fantastic...

It is a great solo, by the way. But who is he performing with? I never heard of this before.

? Wow you must turn in your Prince card immediately

NouveauDance said:

I really would like to hear this relatable engagement from Prince - because his cryptic arrogant silliness, which was once charming and cheeky...

Was it really ever charming though? To me, it was cool because I was a kid back then and it seemed "mysterious" or whatever. In fact, the cryptic arrogant thing was as silly then as it is now. That said, it was still an integral part to the Prince persona and isn't a lot different than it's ever been...

Alexandernvrmind said:

blackbob said:

i am afraid that prince dressing up like your auntie in drag in parts of his career has stopped people taking him seriously and has hidden his real musicial genius from the public in general...and being against internet sites showing him hasnt helped that....but i think that is slowly changing now...

And there you have it.... Prince's gay fans (not saying Prince is gay by the way) will never bring themselves to acknowledge it

I am African American but I belong to a sports blog where 85% on the bloggers are 30 to 40 something white males. The blog has a section to talk about general topics including politics and music. I'm telling you right now I have posted that video of Prince shredding My Guitar and they were blown away. They had no idea... ZERO that he could play the guitar like that. The Super Bowl press conferences from the 2006 where Prince did not actually take questions but performed they were again blown away. Not to mention the actual SB performance. I even posted the Fury live clip from SNL. Again blown away Why? Because Prince alienates people and makes them feel uncomfortable. It’s his journey and more power to him... but when you walk around in heels, look better than Halle Berry (well maybe not Halle but you get the point) it distracts from the music which is what Prince says he is all about.

IMO if it was just about the music then he wouldn't be sitting on a giant flower naked with his hand near his nipple, legs crossed and a penis head coming out of one of the flower pistols. Look at the Newpowersoul Cover, or the promo pictures of Planet Earth.... I mean there are coutless other examples of where Prince offends the eyes Americans. The vast majority of people buy the music of people they feel like they relate to or like. So while Prince has been able to reach millions of fans with just his music... the vast majority of fans aren't like that

Prince has long sung about "our clothes our hair... we don't care" Well that’s all fine and good but some people are turned off by men that parade around dressed like women... and since they can't get beyond that it’s the single greatest reason why Prince doesn't dominate music and is not more iconic outside of Prince's own fans and music critics

That and the fact that Prince being a jack of all trades and master of much has more often than not mixed styles on albums that as I said earlier alienates people. Fans of Housequake aren't necessarily going to be down with Play in the Sunshine. Fans of American aren't down with Condition of the Heart. Fans of Kiss can't necessarily be down with Do U Lie.

Prince is probably the greatest combination of singer, musician, song writer, live performer and musical innovator I will ever see in my lifetime.... but I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me that more people don't realize how talented he is. I am fully aware of the reasons why though and accepts it.

Lovesexy is a masterpiece and should have reached millions of more people. Prince sacrificed reaching those people by putting that ridiculous picture on the cover

Hey it’s his ride <shrug>

[Edited 9/15/10 8:31am]

I agree with people being turned off by his androgyny. It may have gotten him a lot of attention in the beginning. But being a fan of his I have gotten teased a lot & have been considered gay or bisexual because i 'm a diehard fan of his. Prince to me is the most gifted artist I have ever listened to & experienced live. But I think his gift has been lost to a lot of people that are very conservative & not open minded.

But then again MJ wasn't the most masculine & was very androgynous himself. But the more weirder he dressed the more turned off a lot of people got.

But the Prince now is not the same Prince of the 80's. He has toned down his look to a very conservative classy "The Time" look with the Tailored suits. I would consider him the best dressed out of all the male rock stars today.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I agree with people being turned off by his androgyny. It may have gotten him a lot of attention in the beginning. But being a fan of his I have gotten teased a lot & have been considered gay or bisexual because i 'm a diehard fan of his. Prince to me is the most gifted artist I have ever listened to & experienced live. But I think his gift has been lost to a lot of people that are very conservative & not open minded.

But then again MJ wasn't the most masculine & was very androgynous himself. But the more weirder he dressed the more turned off a lot of people got.

But the Prince now is not the same Prince of the 80's. He has toned down his look to a very conservative classy "The Time" look with the Tailored suits. I would consider him the best dressed out of all the male rock stars today.

Is that right?

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