TrevorAyer said:

im not gonna agree with all the "of course he does" people ... but i do believe as he gets older we will here him finally give in and just be himself again .. and then we will get that deep personal record that only prince can make ...

so your answer is "yes he does"

MantuaPharoah said:

Ernest, I'm surprised you like the Gold Experience. I dig it, but I always thought it sounded over produced. TOO MUCH going on during some songs, IMHO.

Dude, you ain't been readin' much! hehehe I've long said TGE was his last truly great and inspired album. Outside of "Shy" (which I've edited out of my playlist, leaving just the sound effects and NPG operator from either end of the song). TGE is the Purple Rain of the 90's (although that wasn't his intent). The album never gets old.

The over-produced sound I can appreciate in people's summation of the album. However, the same argument goes toward the NPG operator segues. It's just where Prince was at the time. It was his sound, and it was awesome. It's crisp, it's layered, it's rubbery, it's gritty, it's delicious.

And it really was his last, GREAT and inspired album. Prince is at his absolute best when he has conflict in his life. Whether that conflict comes from a record company, or a girlfriend, it's when he has enough angst and turmoil in him to write amazing music. His best stuff has come from those times. It's when he got free, or lazy, that his music has suffered greatly. Prince should always be out to prove himself TO himself, and to fans. He got lazy after Batman, thinking he was the shit and then we got Graffiti Bridge. He got "free" and immediately his music took a downturn. He started to rest on his laurels and reputation and bought into his celebrity, and lost a lot of mojo. TGE was when he still had something to fight for.

There are two different topics being discussed here but to the original question:

I think Prince has the songs in him to put together another classic, he just needs help putting those songs together in one cohesive collection. In other words, he needs someone else to produce the album and he needs to allow that person to be critical of his music, be able to tell Prince when a song is not strong enough, when the lyrics need to be reworked or does not fit with the rest of the album. Will this happen? Not likely considering all the artists he has declined to work with in the past decade but if it did, I have no doubt he could create another classic album with the right producer.

-I think his beliefs have affected his lyrical content more than his creativity. However his beliefs may have had more of an affect on his willingness or desire to collaborate with other artists like he used to unless he has discovered them.

TGE was his last great album

and 3121 will be, probably, his last strong/solid pop album

Not sure if he could release another great album. At this point of his career I hardly think he can write something as catchy and memorable as TMBGITWorld or Kiss, or something as visionary and complete as SOTT. No, I don't think he could release a new GREAT album at this point of his career...

IMO, the last "classic" Prince album was The Rainbow Children.

I think 3121 is really good, but not great.

I think his age is the main factor in the quality of his music.

Not his religion, or love life, or anything like that.

I just think that because of his age, his mind just doesn't work like it used to. I think it's the main reason why he's not as good a songwriter as he used to be.

Which I'm completely fine with.

How many times can a person invent the wheel?

i think prince can make as many more great albums as he likes

whether or not they measure up to other people's expectations or not, i dont know

might be fair to say that he wont deliver the same amount of youthful energy or the same vibe as he did when he was younger

and maybe he has exhausted a lot of his creative ideas, but i think it is still possible for him to record something fresh

for me, as long as it is fresh, i can dig it.

100% YES but he [IMHO] makes some poor decisons on choosing trax, adding too much cheese!, lazy lyrics etc. The man has too much talent to ever stop us hoping. In all his recent output there has always been a handful of killer trax on each CD for me.

Prince has SEVERAL great albums left in him.

The real question is...............will it ever be released 4 u 2 hear it?

absolutely... quite a few more in fact...?

ernestsewell said:

MantuaPharoah said:

Ernest, I'm surprised you like the Gold Experience. I dig it, but I always thought it sounded over produced. TOO MUCH going on during some songs, IMHO.

Dude, you ain't been readin' much! hehehe I've long said TGE was his last truly great and inspired album. Outside of "Shy" (which I've edited out of my playlist, leaving just the sound effects and NPG operator from either end of the song). TGE is the Purple Rain of the 90's (although that wasn't his intent). The album never gets old.

The over-produced sound I can appreciate in people's summation of the album. However, the same argument goes toward the NPG operator segues. It's just where Prince was at the time. It was his sound, and it was awesome. It's crisp, it's layered, it's rubbery, it's gritty, it's delicious.

And it really was his last, GREAT and inspired album. Prince is at his absolute best when he has conflict in his life. Whether that conflict comes from a record company, or a girlfriend, it's when he has enough angst and turmoil in him to write amazing music. His best stuff has come from those times. It's when he got free, or lazy, that his music has suffered greatly. Prince should always be out to prove himself TO himself, and to fans. He got lazy after Batman, thinking he was the shit and then we got Graffiti Bridge. He got "free" and immediately his music took a downturn. He started to rest on his laurels and reputation and bought into his celebrity, and lost a lot of mojo. TGE was when he still had something to fight for.

ernestsewell said:

MantuaPharoah said:

Ernest, I'm surprised you like the Gold Experience. I dig it, but I always thought it sounded over produced. TOO MUCH going on during some songs, IMHO.

Dude, you ain't been readin' much! hehehe I've long said TGE was his last truly great and inspired album. Outside of "Shy" (which I've edited out of my playlist, leaving just the sound effects and NPG operator from either end of the song). TGE is the Purple Rain of the 90's (although that wasn't his intent). The album never gets old.

The over-produced sound I can appreciate in people's summation of the album. However, the same argument goes toward the NPG operator segues. It's just where Prince was at the time. It was his sound, and it was awesome. It's crisp, it's layered, it's rubbery, it's gritty, it's delicious.

And it really was his last, GREAT and inspired album. Prince is at his absolute best when he has conflict in his life. Whether that conflict comes from a record company, or a girlfriend, it's when he has enough angst and turmoil in him to write amazing music. His best stuff has come from those times. It's when he got free, or lazy, that his music has suffered greatly. Prince should always be out to prove himself TO himself, and to fans. He got lazy after Batman, thinking he was the shit and then we got Graffiti Bridge. He got "free" and immediately his music took a downturn. He started to rest on his laurels and reputation and bought into his celebrity, and lost a lot of mojo. TGE was when he still had something to fight for.

We all know the lyrical content has changed and he's in or at a different place right now, would you say the music has changed as well?

20Ten I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

LoTUSFLOW3R I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

Planet Earth I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

3121 I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

PurpleLove7 said:

We all know the lyrical content has changed and he's in or at a different place right now, would you say the music has changed as well?

20Ten I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

LoTUSFLOW3R I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

Planet Earth I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

3121 I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

His music has changed. As I stated, he got lazy and a bit too self-assured. Musically, he's gotten as bland as he has lyrically.

His music sounds like one big EP. Put a record on, come back 30 minutes later, and it sounds like the same nonsense. You'd NEVER find that in the 80's, or the 90's w/ him. Controversy is as different from 1999 as Parade is from Lovesexy. Come is as different from Gold as Exodus is from Emancipation. Yet Lotus, a lot of 3121, some of Planet Earth, most of Musicology, all of MPLS - it's all the same sound. It's just - BLAH. I dread a 00's compilation with this material - it'd be that EP I mentioned.

ernestsewell said:

PurpleLove7 said:

20Ten I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

LoTUSFLOW3R I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

Planet Earth I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

3121 I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

His music has changed. As I stated, he got lazy and a bit too self-assured. Musically, he's gotten as bland as he has lyrically.

His music sounds like one big EP. Put a record on, come back 30 minutes later, and it sounds like the same nonsense. You'd NEVER find that in the 80's, or the 90's w/ him. Controversy is as different from 1999 as Parade is from Lovesexy. Come is as different from Gold as Exodus is from Emancipation. Yet Lotus, a lot of 3121, some of Planet Earth, most of Musicology, all of MPLS - it's all the same sound. It's just - BLAH. I dread a 00's compilation with this material - it'd be that EP I mentioned.

[img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif[/img:$uid] Never thought of it that way.

I for the 'life' of me could never bring myself to say P's music has become 'bland' or 'blah'. I know that I have a obessive compulsive nature when it comes to music, especially music I love. I could and do listen to P's music everyday by way of a on-line radio station that plays 97% of his music from the boots to the official releases and the related artist music. For example: 'My Love is Forever' is playing now and that song ... Whew !!! It's just so great.

To sum it up, I think you'll still buy the albums or 'acquire' them but, as you said, the 'magic' isn't there anymore.

& as I always say: the day P's music doesn't give me chills anymore, is the day I stop listening and sell my collection ... Hasn't happened yet. Hell, I own a White Cloud Guitar, that would sell for a pretty penny, one would think ...

PurpleLove7 said:

ernestsewell said:

His music has changed. As I stated, he got lazy and a bit too self-assured. Musically, he's gotten as bland as he has lyrically.

His music sounds like one big EP. Put a record on, come back 30 minutes later, and it sounds like the same nonsense. You'd NEVER find that in the 80's, or the 90's w/ him. Controversy is as different from 1999 as Parade is from Lovesexy. Come is as different from Gold as Exodus is from Emancipation. Yet Lotus, a lot of 3121, some of Planet Earth, most of Musicology, all of MPLS - it's all the same sound. It's just - BLAH. I dread a 00's compilation with this material - it'd be that EP I mentioned.

[img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif[/img:$uid] Never thought of it that way.

I for the 'life' of me could never bring myself to say P's music has become 'bland' or 'blah'. I know that I have a obessive compulsive nature when it comes to music, especially music I love. I could and do listen to P's music everyday by way of a on-line radio station that plays 97% of his music from the boots to the official releases and the related artist music. For example: 'My Love is Forever' is playing now and that song ... Whew !!! It's just so great.

To sum it up, I think you'll still buy the albums or 'acquire' them but, as you said, the 'magic' isn't there anymore.

& as I always say: the day P's music doesn't give me chills anymore, is the day I stop listening and sell my collection ... Hasn't happened yet. Hell, I own a White Cloud Guitar, that would sell for a pretty penny, one would think ...

Call me when u are ready 2 sell.

Graycap23 said:

PurpleLove7 said:

[img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif[/img:$uid] Never thought of it that way.

I for the 'life' of me could never bring myself to say P's music has become 'bland' or 'blah'. I know that I have a obessive compulsive nature when it comes to music, especially music I love. I could and do listen to P's music everyday by way of a on-line radio station that plays 97% of his music from the boots to the official releases and the related artist music. For example: 'My Love is Forever' is playing now and that song ... Whew !!! It's just so great.

To sum it up, I think you'll still buy the albums or 'acquire' them but, as you said, the 'magic' isn't there anymore.

& as I always say: the day P's music doesn't give me chills anymore, is the day I stop listening and sell my collection ... Hasn't happened yet. Hell, I own a White Cloud Guitar, that would sell for a pretty penny, one would think ...

Call me when u are ready 2 sell.

I got a TON of stuff collected over the years, if I ever did sell some of the stuff, I could take a nice vacation in Chicago or Minneapolis but, then when I tried to get back in the house my wife would change the locks on me. We share everything 1/2 and 1/2 ... LoL

PurpleLove7 said:

To sum it up, I think you'll still buy the albums or 'acquire' them but, as you said, the 'magic' isn't there anymore.

& as I always say: the day P's music doesn't give me chills anymore, is the day I stop listening and sell my collection ... Hasn't happened yet. Hell, I own a White Cloud Guitar, that would sell for a pretty penny, one would think ...

I don't get chills from his music, but rather a cold shoulder. When he preaches, it's very limiting artistically, and segregates his listeners - mainly from him. The magic has been gone for a while. The last great album - The Gold Experience. The last really good album - probably Emancipation even with the fluff. Good albums are NewPowerSoul and Rave In2, and 3121, Planet Earth perhaps. Everything else is just garbage. Prince on auto-pilot - this is the new Prince.

I remember a time when our pilot Prince speaking meant something great and sexy was about to happen. But we're at 30,000 albums and still counting, and the attack on his music is steadily mounting. He releases bland pop and I'm totally feel nothing.

Well you just convinced me to never pay any attention to yor radio show. Your opinion on Prince is weird, dude. All over the place and contradictory to what a majority of other Prince fans feel. Purposely so? Not sure. But still weird.

Cerebus said:

Well you just convinced me to never pay any attention to yor radio show. Your opinion on Prince is weird, dude. All over the place and contradictory to what a majority of other Prince fans feel. Purposely so? Not sure. But still weird.

So you want me to just blend in and be an asskisser w/ the rest of Prince fans, is that it? Sorry buddy, but that's exactly the kind of conformity your idol used to speak against.

You cannot speak for the majority of Prince fans, because you do not know them on any level. You know people on the Org, not overall.

My comments and opinions are truthful and real, are my own, and are purposefully forward in that regard. Am I here to purposely buck someone for the sake of it? No, sunshine, I have better things to do than that.

As far as you not listening to my show - gosh, hope I can sleep tonight. By the way, it's open topic tonight - why don't you call in and tell me how weird I am. We'll see how far that gets ya.

Depends on what you mean by great. To most, I would think it would equal commercial success. By those terms, I would have to say no.

ernestsewell said:

PurpleLove7 said:

20Ten I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

LoTUSFLOW3R I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

Planet Earth I'd give 3 out of 5 stars

3121 I'd give 4 out of 5 stars

His music has changed. As I stated, he got lazy and a bit too self-assured. Musically, he's gotten as bland as he has lyrically.

His music sounds like one big EP. Put a record on, come back 30 minutes later, and it sounds like the same nonsense. You'd NEVER find that in the 80's, or the 90's w/ him. Controversy is as different from 1999 as Parade is from Lovesexy. Come is as different from Gold as Exodus is from Emancipation. Yet Lotus, a lot of 3121, some of Planet Earth, most of Musicology, all of MPLS - it's all the same sound. It's just - BLAH. I dread a 00's compilation with this material - it'd be that EP I mentioned.

Lotus & MPLS have the same sound? These 2 records are totally different. Lotus is mostly done with real instruments and MPLS is mostly synths. IMO MPLS is one of his worst & LOTUS is one of his best. What is so great about the Gold Experience? I would love to see your track by track critique of the album.

OLDHATJ said:

What is so great about the Gold Experience? I would love to see your track by track critique of the album.

Already did that earlier this year on a now-defunct radio show. Ya missed it.

yes

The Truth

The Rainbow Children

Lotusflow3r (as a distinct CD from the other 2 that came with it)

Were all great albums

Define great...

I think that the Prince of 'that time' is intrinsicly linked to the you of 'that time'. The combination of emotion, your age, the changing world, the vibe and the Prince of that time, is something that you will never experience again.

All these threads seem to miss the point that we aren't the same as then, Prince isn't the same as then, and the life and experiences we've had are not the same as then. When comparing his past work to present, I think it would be useful to acknowledge that fact.

To some extent I think he's 'listened' to his fans on the most recent releases, and given back some of that old school flavour. But I think what people are expecting is an album that by it's definition, can never live up to the expectation, and partly because our whole context has changed.

It's not beyond Prince to still put out amazing music or live performances, he's demonstrated that throughout recent times. It's just whether anyone here or beyond will see it that way based on their own skewed perspective.

I think that all of here base our opinions on the fact that we dig his music and listen to it a lot more than most people do. It is simply that we have our favorite sounds and he wont go back and do the same thing. He'll approximate something sometimes, but it is not what we want to hear. When I play Prince for friends that are not fans, they always want to hear Musicology. That whole album seems to have an almost universal appeal, which is what Prince wants. The fact that Prince fans don't like it doesn't make it a bad album. It is more a reflection of Prince fans' taste in music when they put it down.

Prince can make another great album. Classic, however, is another story...

The last one is a great album....

ernestsewell said:

Cerebus said:

Well you just convinced me to never pay any attention to yor radio show. Your opinion on Prince is weird, dude. All over the place and contradictory to what a majority of other Prince fans feel. Purposely so? Not sure. But still weird.

So you want me to just blend in and be an asskisser w/ the rest of Prince fans, is that it? Sorry buddy, but that's exactly the kind of conformity your idol used to speak against.

You cannot speak for the majority of Prince fans, because you do not know them on any level. You know people on the Org, not overall.

My comments and opinions are truthful and real, are my own, and are purposefully forward in that regard. Am I here to purposely buck someone for the sake of it? No, sunshine, I have better things to do than that.

As far as you not listening to my show - gosh, hope I can sleep tonight. By the way, it's open topic tonight - why don't you call in and tell me how weird I am. We'll see how far that gets ya.

Are you even capable of posting a response without being a condescending prick? Do you know the different between a conversation or debate and talking down to another from on high? People call you out on this bullshit all the time and yet you continue like it's your right to treat everyone else as if they're beneath you.

Prince is not my "idol". If you paid attention to anything here other than your own high and mighty "opinion" you'd be well aware of that. However, in regards to those who do look at him that way, I don't think they're any less dangerous than people like you who spout on endlessly about how Prince hasn't done anything good since the mid-nineties. At least they have an open mind, something the person you claim to know so much about has been preaching on since the very beginning. Ya know, for that matter, why are you even here so much? You seem to hate the last 15 years of Prince's career and have nothing but contempt for most of the people who post here. Like I said, it's weird.

How do you know who I can speak for or who I know? And apparently I need to remind you that these rules also apply to everything you say? You'd do well to take that into account while doing a bit of proofreading before you hit 'Post Response'. Yes, the opinions I posted were based mostly on what is said here at the Org. You know why? Because that's who's reading this! Duh! Numerous times in just the last couple weaks I've seen you make these grand claims about how something "is" (apparently in general, not just here at the Org), get questioned by somebody about how or why you feel that way, or asked to further explain, only to see you flippantly disregard their requests, reply with further condescending remarks, or simply tell them you've already done so. Right. So basically your opinion is how it is and doesn't require any further explanation. Got it.

Your and opinions are you own, yes. But they are real and truthful to you and you alone. Everyone else lives in their own reality and has their own truths. Something you'd know more about if you ever tried to listen instead of just tell people how it is.

So if I'm "Sunshine", can I call you "Cloudy"? How about "Dreary"? Maybe "Grey and Overcast". Hmm. I'll have to think on that. All of them fit so well.

"We'll see how far that gets ya" Like I'm TRYING to get anywhere. Dude Look at you. Do you even realize how incredibly full of yourself you are? I already told you I have no desire to listen to your show. But I'm sure your ten listeners would defend you if I called in.

ernestsewell said:

The Gold Experience was his last classic album; and a truly great one at that.

I agree,

Come - Exodus - Gold Experience in 1994/95 was the last truly great era.

Wow.

To answer the question:

NO I don't think Prince can deliver another masterpiece album.