dandeeland said:

thedance said:

Prince ahead of Elvis Presley, really????

20. Marvin Gaye
19. U2
18. Pink Floyd
17. Queen
16. Madonna
15. The Beach Boys
14. Nirvana
13. The Who
12. David Bowie
11. Bob Marley
10. Stevie Wonder
9. James Brown
8. Elvis Presley
7. Prince
6. Jimi Hendrix

The top five (in alphabetical order):

The Beatles
Bob Dylan
Michael Jackson
Led Zeppelin
Rolling Stones

Cant argue with top6 but come on!! Prince is no way higher than Elvis, Madonna, Pink Floyd or u2! around ten or 11 I could live with but 7 is too high. He has only had 9 number one's in his career. Madonna blows him away and Elvis...COME ON!!

100 Greatest "Artist" not Pop Star. Hell Prince dropped the ball on that one in 85 and beyond. If it was at all objective and "stars" like Chilli from TLC were left out of it Stevie and Prince would be much higher and Elvis and MJ would be much lower. Prince is one of the few Artist that extremely gifted Artist are blown away by. Never heard Clapton and Miles Davis rave about Madonna or MJ.

The Beatles will remain at #1 for a long time to come. I see the younger generation find it hard to believe that they were/are bigger than MJ. They were and are a world wide phenomenon that far eclipsed MJ. Same with Elvis. In his era Elvis has far eclipsed MJ's worldwide cultural importance.

But as time passes each generation sees their most current immediate icons or contemporaries as most important.

The Beatles will remain at #1 for the simple reason that they were not merely teen idols or entertainers. The Beatles were a cultural and musical revolution. They were innovators. They remain at the top because they embody the whole package of teen idol and true musical genius.

No one can take anything away from MJ or Elvis, both talented entertainers in a league of their own for a LOT of reasons, but as musical artists rank far lower than even contemporaries like Radiohead or Nirvana or even Bjork, forget putting them ahead of James Brown, Bob Marley or Pink Floyd.

I have no doubt that the Elvis legacy will live on in Vegas culture for a long time to come, long after his generation's last fan deposits her last social security check. MJ? He's still too fresh in our cultural consciousness but I seriously do not see him faring as well. No one has ever been rushing to cover his songs and his unseemly last two decades of his life will only continue snowball and tarnish the glitz of his singing and dancing days. Sorry MJ fans, I am not hating, I may be wrong but i sincerely doubt MJ will be on a top 10 artists list just ten years from today.

vi0letblues said:

Sorry MJ fans, I am not hating, I may be wrong but i sincerely doubt MJ will be on a top 10 artists list just ten years from today.

Sorry, but Michael Jackson's death garnered a palpable, guttural, livewire of reaction across the world. I wasn't born when Lennon died, but there hasn't been a single other celebrity whose death, in my lifetime, even came remotely close to having a similar crowd reaction to their death.

Spinlight said:

vi0letblues said:

Sorry MJ fans, I am not hating, I may be wrong but i sincerely doubt MJ will be on a top 10 artists list just ten years from today.

Sorry, but Michael Jackson's death garnered a palpable, guttural, livewire of reaction across the world. I wasn't born when Lennon died, but there hasn't been a single other celebrity whose death, in my lifetime, even came remotely close to having a similar crowd reaction to their death.

vi0letblues said:

Spinlight said:

Sorry, but Michael Jackson's death garnered a palpable, guttural, livewire of reaction across the world. I wasn't born when Lennon died, but there hasn't been a single other celebrity whose death, in my lifetime, even came remotely close to having a similar crowd reaction to their death.

Elvis's death was a world wide event. I wasn't alive then either but I have seen the news footage. Just because we do not see a tree fall in the forest, does not mean it didn't happen.

Right but no one is disputing Elvis' impact, but you (really). I'm saying that the public reaction to MJ's death was enough of a barometer to suggest that MJ will go down in the annals as the greatest pop music entity of his time.

Spinlight said:

I'm saying that the public reaction to MJ's death was enough of a barometer to suggest that MJ will go down in the annals as the greatest pop music entity of his time.

without a doubt.

Spinlight said:

vi0letblues said:

Elvis's death was a world wide event. I wasn't alive then either but I have seen the news footage. Just because we do not see a tree fall in the forest, does not mean it didn't happen.

Right but no one is disputing Elvis' impact, but you (really). I'm saying that the public reaction to MJ's death was enough of a barometer to suggest that MJ will go down in the annals as the greatest pop music entity of his time.

Most "popular entertainer" of his time. I will definitely give you that.

Spinlight said:

vi0letblues said:

Elvis's death was a world wide event. I wasn't alive then either but I have seen the news footage. Just because we do not see a tree fall in the forest, does not mean it didn't happen.

Right but no one is disputing Elvis' impact, but you (really). I'm saying that the public reaction to MJ's death was enough of a barometer to suggest that MJ will go down in the annals as the greatest pop music entity of his time.

I agree .

vi0letblues said:

Spinlight said:

Right but no one is disputing Elvis' impact, but you (really). I'm saying that the public reaction to MJ's death was enough of a barometer to suggest that MJ will go down in the annals as the greatest pop music entity of his time.

Most "popular entertainer" of his time. I will definitely give you that.

No no. Not "popular entertainer"...

Spinlight said:

vi0letblues said:

Most "popular entertainer" of his time. I will definitely give you that.

No no. Not "popular entertainer"...

lol

Ok I will not rain on your parade. Time will tell.

so nobody taped the segment and uploaded it yet. LOL.

i fell asleep waiting to see #7. the list sucks but i still want to see what they said

dreamshaman32 said:

mrsnet said:

Sinatra was NEVER bigger than MJ. Nobody in music history has ever been able to appeal to all races, ethnicities, cultures, ages (2 t0 92), sexes, all around the globe BUT MJ. Do NOT get it twisted. His music went in nooks and crannies on planet earth where no other artist of western culture ever could. Oh and he opened the doors for Prince Roger and every other black artist that came after Lil Mike of J5, and then again Thriller Mike. he should be numero uno.

The microphone and how it is used, Sinatra. The very economy of recorded music, Sinatra. The very concept of an "album" a grouping of songs on a single disk, Sinatra. The word "idol"teen idol as used in popular culture, Sinatra. Sinatra opened doors for black performers by himself, got on the phone and said if my friend dont play, i dont play. MJ had powerful record execs do his bidding MTV played Thriller because they wanted the next Phil Collins. Prince broke that ground before Mike with LRC. The very template that would allow for a singer of pop music to impact so many people as MJ did, was created by Sinatra. I have more connection to Prince and MJ but Sinatra's impact made their impact possible, his impact is unavoidable regardless of genre. Sorry. MJ changed the game and set the template for Justin and Usher, they cant avoid his influence, its called evolution.

[Edited 9/9/10 3:05am]

Well put, and dead on... and yes, Frank insisted on equality... he was obsessed with equal rights, and used whatever power and influence he had 2 do something about it. Also, his outstanding vocal phrasing and rythym was also a huge influence on a wide range of vocalists in a wide range of genres.

The Prince segment was terrible.

I had that foreboding feeling while watching and enjoying what they did with the previous artists, knowing the Prince segment would not be as good.

Very limited footage, no live footage, and limited commentary...

It really would have nice if some classic rockers commented on Prince, but no.

Starting it off with the "Little Red Corvette" video. UGH.

Oh well. At least our Man is getting some respect in the form of his "ranking".

The other artists were very well done though.

...and what's up with Darryl from RUN-DMC being in every documentary VH-1 does?? His comments were priceless, though. He loves EVERYBODY... especially Elton John, apparently.

~G

Joke of a list! Where was:

Heart

Alice in Chains

Red Hot Chilli Peppers

Soundgarden

Alanis Morissette

???????????????????????????????????????

Not to mention:

- Rush was what in the 70's?????

- Beach Boys were like 15??????

- Queen was to low?

- Who is "The Band"??????

- Stevie Wonder is soooo overrated! Sure if he died in 1978 he would be a genius, but we have seen him for 32 more years and he sucks!

*How is ANY rapper be higher then Rush? A guy mumbling over a "juicy fruit" sample is better then the best 3 piece band ever?

*Enough of the one moment blips in pop music and are basically 1 hit wonders from the 1950's-60's & 70's.

*You got a 2 lip sync artists on the list.. MJ at #2 lip syncing 99% of your tv performances and milking less then 2 years of work in the thriller era for 25 years? Madonna at what #16? or something... she was a fake vanity/prince but she was white so they promoted her to the mainstream, If there wasn't a MTV both of them wouldn't have been 1/16th as big as they were if MTV wasn't invented and didn't play their crap 24/7.

*How is Justin Timberlake even on the list he has 2 albums.. one is a fake MJ album the other was a fake Prince album.

- Hendrix was waaaaay to high! Better then Prince, please the guy was sloppy. His guitar playing was sloppy. All these death acts getting way to much praise and then you have these Chuck Berry, Little Richards who havent done anything musically in 50 years are STILL on the list??? Come on!

The Beach Boys havent done anything since the 1970's STARTED! One song in 1989 and then another 20 years of NOTHING!

Please.

Giovanni777 said:

The Prince segment was terrible.

I had that foreboding feeling while watching and enjoying what they did with the previous artists, knowing the Prince segment would not be as good.

Very limited footage, no live footage, and limited commentary...

It really would have nice if some classic rockers commented on Prince, but no.

Starting it off with the "Little Red Corvette" video. UGH.

Oh well. At least our Man is getting some respect in the form of his "ranking".

The other artists were very well done though.

...and what's up with Darryl from RUN-DMC being in every documentary VH-1 does?? His comments were priceless, though. He loves EVERYBODY... especially Elton John, apparently.

~G

I was desensitized by the time his segment came, all the awful bullshit praise from artist you KNOW were not influenced by the subject. Once i saw Biz Markie big up Elton John and Big Boi lie and give vague observations about several artist i knew Prince would be a train wreck lol

dreamshaman32 said:

Giovanni777 said:

The Prince segment was terrible.

I had that foreboding feeling while watching and enjoying what they did with the previous artists, knowing the Prince segment would not be as good.

Very limited footage, no live footage, and limited commentary...

It really would have nice if some classic rockers commented on Prince, but no.

Starting it off with the "Little Red Corvette" video. UGH.

Oh well. At least our Man is getting some respect in the form of his "ranking".

The other artists were very well done though.

...and what's up with Darryl from RUN-DMC being in every documentary VH-1 does?? His comments were priceless, though. He loves EVERYBODY... especially Elton John, apparently.

~G

I was desensitized by the time his segment came, all the awful bullshit praise from artist you KNOW were not influenced by the subject. Once i saw Biz Markie big up Elton John and Big Boi lie and give vague observations about several artist i knew Prince would be a train wreck lol

I know. Right?? It's like, how many times can U hear, "___________ was the greatest ever! Period."

But even still, the clips and the commentary on Prince was seriously lacking.

I'm sure some of that has 2 do with rights, and Prince's protection scheme, but the real sad irony is that it reminded me of a similar situation.

Sinatra was also famously protective of his work and his rights. Whenever you get a collection of Swing, Cole Porter songs, etc, there is NO Sinatra, who was one of the greatest interpreters of vocal jazz standards.

I understand some of this protectiveness... None of the music I've done is online whatsoever, because I got ripped off ONCE, by not securing international copyrights. After that wound, I decided never 2 have commercial aspirations again, and just do it 4 myself. That's changing now, because I've battled with this self limitation, but still...

I have "feared" 4 many years that Prince won't ever get the proper recognition he deserves, because of this. Spiritually, he doesn't need it, and rightfully so, but when it comes 2 future generations having a proper perspective on music history, it's troubling.

~G

vi0letblues said:

I have no doubt that the Elvis legacy will live on in Vegas culture for a long time to come, long after his generation's last fan deposits her last social security check. MJ? He's still too fresh in our cultural consciousness but I seriously do not see him faring as well. No one has ever been rushing to cover his songs and his unseemly last two decades of his life will only continue snowball and tarnish the glitz of his singing and dancing days. Sorry MJ fans, I am not hating, I may be wrong but i sincerely doubt MJ will be on a top 10 artists list just ten years from today.

You are so correct. I mean, look at Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. During the last years of his life he was broke, dejected, life full of scandal, trying to make a comeback, no one gave a crap about him anymore, and look what happened to him in the end. All washed up and forgotten about. No one even talks about his music anymore, let alone teach it in school. Damn. It's so sad when things like that happen right?

Or Elvis. The last years of his life tarnished his image so bad that no one even wants to talk about him, let alone go to Graceland. No one even wants to impersonate him. So sad that people just forgot about him and just put him off to the wayside. Even I forgot that he existed.

Or Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland, Oscar Wilde, Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe, C.S. Lewis, and etc. Don't forget about the Beatles.To think that people in the US still hold John Lennon's comment about them being bigger than Jesus over their heads.

It's a shame isn't it? Don't you just hate being right?

Unholyalliance said:

vi0letblues said:

I have no doubt that the Elvis legacy will live on in Vegas culture for a long time to come, long after his generation's last fan deposits her last social security check. MJ? He's still too fresh in our cultural consciousness but I seriously do not see him faring as well. No one has ever been rushing to cover his songs and his unseemly last two decades of his life will only continue snowball and tarnish the glitz of his singing and dancing days. Sorry MJ fans, I am not hating, I may be wrong but i sincerely doubt MJ will be on a top 10 artists list just ten years from today.

You are so correct. I mean, look at Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. During the last years of his life he was broke, dejected, life full of scandal, trying to make a comeback, no one gave a crap about him anymore, and look what happened to him in the end. All washed up and forgotten about. No one even talks about his music anymore, let alone teach it in school. Damn. It's so sad when things like that happen right?

Or Elvis. The last years of his life tarnished his image so bad that no one even wants to talk about him, let alone go to Graceland. No one even wants to impersonate him. So sad that people just forgot about him and just put him off to the wayside. Even I forgot that he existed.

Or Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland, Oscar Wilde, Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe, C.S. Lewis, and etc. Don't forget about the Beatles.To think that people in the US still hold John Lennon's comment about them being bigger than Jesus over their heads.

It's a shame isn't it? Don't you just hate being right?

You do have a point with Judy Garland and MM I'll give you that. But the other people you listed were really talented.

vi0letblues said:

Unholyalliance said:

You are so correct. I mean, look at Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. During the last years of his life he was broke, dejected, life full of scandal, trying to make a comeback, no one gave a crap about him anymore, and look what happened to him in the end. All washed up and forgotten about. No one even talks about his music anymore, let alone teach it in school. Damn. It's so sad when things like that happen right?

Or Elvis. The last years of his life tarnished his image so bad that no one even wants to talk about him, let alone go to Graceland. No one even wants to impersonate him. So sad that people just forgot about him and just put him off to the wayside. Even I forgot that he existed.

Or Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland, Oscar Wilde, Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe, C.S. Lewis, and etc. Don't forget about the Beatles.To think that people in the US still hold John Lennon's comment about them being bigger than Jesus over their heads.

It's a shame isn't it? Don't you just hate being right?

You do have a point with Judy Garland and MM I'll give you that. But the other people you listed were really talented.

You do realize they're just being sarcastic?

NastradumasKid said:

vi0letblues said:

You do have a point with Judy Garland and MM I'll give you that. But the other people you listed were really talented.

You do realize they're just being sarcastic?

You do realize so was I?

vi0letblues said:

NastradumasKid said:

You do realize they're just being sarcastic?

You do realize so was I?

Yeah I was just playing with you.

ladychel61 said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

yes wish they would have made this happened:guitar:

I laughed so hard when I saw that! It fit perfect of what I was imagining... It's even representative of MJ and Prince's height difference!

NastradumasKid said:

vi0letblues said:

You do realize so was I?

Yeah I was just playing with you.

lol

ok ok, I'll play nice with the MJ fans. I have nothing against him, I do think he is a great performer.

vi0letblues said:

NastradumasKid said:

Yeah I was just playing with you.

lol

ok ok, I'll play nice with the MJ fans. I have nothing against him, I do think he is a great performer.

Even when he ranked at number 2 people were still bitching. LOL. God, it's just a fucking list. Since when did VH1's opinions become valid? LOL.

NastradumasKid said:

vi0letblues said:

lol

ok ok, I'll play nice with the MJ fans. I have nothing against him, I do think he is a great performer.

Even when he ranked at number 2 people were still bitching. LOL. God, it's just a fucking list. Since when did VH1's opinions become valid? LOL.

I'm not bitching. I think its funny.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

ladychel61 said:

I laughed so hard when I saw that! It fit perfect of what I was imagining... It's even representative of MJ and Prince's height difference!

this would have been Prince and Michael back in the day

Prince and the king of pop ...Your butt is mine

Prince singing come back nicky and mickey come back and mike moon walking and singing ...

future soul song and Michael rest in peace. It took this 4 them 2 leave you alone.

sometimes the world can be so cruel words can hurt or heal.Its easier 2 show love

Prince and Michael music will 4ever live. Love you guys, your music has healed my world:luv:

ElectricBlue said:

Joke of a list! Where was:

Heart

Alice in Chains

Red Hot Chilli Peppers

Soundgarden

Alanis Morissette

???????????????????????????????????????

Not to mention:

- Rush was what in the 70's?????

- Beach Boys were like 15??????

- Queen was to low?

- Who is "The Band"??????

- Stevie Wonder is soooo overrated! Sure if he died in 1978 he would be a genius, but we have seen him for 32 more years and he sucks!

*How is ANY rapper be higher then Rush? A guy mumbling over a "juicy fruit" sample is better then the best 3 piece band ever?

*Enough of the one moment blips in pop music and are basically 1 hit wonders from the 1950's-60's & 70's.

*You got a 2 lip sync artists on the list.. MJ at #2 lip syncing 99% of your tv performances and milking less then 2 years of work in the thriller era for 25 years? Madonna at what #16? or something... she was a fake vanity/prince but she was white so they promoted her to the mainstream, If there wasn't a MTV both of them wouldn't have been 1/16th as big as they were if MTV wasn't invented and didn't play their crap 24/7.

*How is Justin Timberlake even on the list he has 2 albums.. one is a fake MJ album the other was a fake Prince album.

- Hendrix was waaaaay to high! Better then Prince, please the guy was sloppy. His guitar playing was sloppy. All these death acts getting way to much praise and then you have these Chuck Berry, Little Richards who havent done anything musically in 50 years are STILL on the list??? Come on!

The Beach Boys havent done anything since the 1970's STARTED! One song in 1989 and then another 20 years of NOTHING!

Please.

Stevie Wonder is one of the greatest,most talented artists of all time!! How dare you underrate him like that.Even Prince would tell you that he was inspired by Stevie.

ElectricBlue said:

Joke of a list! Where was:

Heart

Alice in Chains

Red Hot Chilli Peppers

Soundgarden

Alanis Morissette

???????????????????????????????????????

Not to mention:

- Rush was what in the 70's?????

- Beach Boys were like 15??????

- Queen was to low?

- Who is "The Band"??????

- Stevie Wonder is soooo overrated! Sure if he died in 1978 he would be a genius, but we have seen him for 32 more years and he sucks!

*How is ANY rapper be higher then Rush? A guy mumbling over a "juicy fruit" sample is better then the best 3 piece band ever?

*Enough of the one moment blips in pop music and are basically 1 hit wonders from the 1950's-60's & 70's.

*You got a 2 lip sync artists on the list.. MJ at #2 lip syncing 99% of your tv performances and milking less then 2 years of work in the thriller era for 25 years? Madonna at what #16? or something... she was a fake vanity/prince but she was white so they promoted her to the mainstream, If there wasn't a MTV both of them wouldn't have been 1/16th as big as they were if MTV wasn't invented and didn't play their crap 24/7.

*How is Justin Timberlake even on the list he has 2 albums.. one is a fake MJ album the other was a fake Prince album.

- Hendrix was waaaaay to high! Better then Prince, please the guy was sloppy. His guitar playing was sloppy. All these death acts getting way to much praise and then you have these Chuck Berry, Little Richards who havent done anything musically in 50 years are STILL on the list??? Come on!

The Beach Boys havent done anything since the 1970's STARTED! One song in 1989 and then another 20 years of NOTHING!

Please.

Your opinion is skewed and uneducated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Band Here's some place for you to start. If you need me to point you in the right direction for Beach Boys info, let me know. Otherwise, it's your duty to actually research musicians as the people who put the list together clearly know something you don't already.

ElectricBlue said:

- Hendrix was waaaaay to high! Better then Prince, please the guy was sloppy. His guitar playing was sloppy.

Dude, come clean first THEN post on the internet. That's some of the most absurd stuff I've ever read. Mega-LOL!

EDIT: I've thought about this post. Back and forth. Hereby, i officially request an .org ban for ElectricBlue for calling Hendrix' guitar playing "sloppy". Quote me for that.

[Edited 9/11/10 16:49pm]

wow, saying Stevie Wonder sucks is PERMANENT credibility loss and should equate to bans from all music forums