alandail said:

Prince was just named the 7th greatest artist of all time, can sell 55,000 tickets to his concerts, twice in the last decade has had the top grossing tour of the year, sold out 21 nights at O2, is in the rock and roll hall of fame, and there's a thread about how his career sunk?

this thread reminds me of the story of the irish footballing genius 'george best' who drifted out of top class football early in his career....he is lying on his hotel room bed which is covered in thousands of pounds and lying next to him on the bed is a former miss world who hasnt got much on and they are both drinking expensive champagne and the wee hotel porter guy comes into the hotel room with his luggage and utters those immortal words..... ' george....where did it all go wrong !! '

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ernestsewell said:

avasdad said:

1) how many albums did ATWIAD sell??? less that 3 million?? this was to be the HUGE follow up to PR?? "Fact"

2) a grown man still considered "pop" posing semi-naked = 1 million albums sold "Fact"

3)GB movie made less than 3 million dollars on opening week = flop "fact"

shall we continue??

Yes, let's continue, and let me school you for a hot second.

1) Prince's rate of selling records before and after the enigma that was Purple Rain stayed pretty much consistent. Prince sold, on average anywhere between two and five million records, give or take, up to, and after Purple Rain. Dirty Mind barely made gold status (a minor feat when he can't even seem to reach today without snookering SoundScan). It's like holding every Madonna album against Like A Prayer or every Michael Jackson album against Thriller. If you choose to practice unfair comparisons, be ready for the retort against that. ATWIAD was Prince's second #1 album, PR being the first. Yeah, he hadn't had a #1 album to that point. He only had 3 #1 songs, and they weren't even on the main Billboard Top 40 chart. They were on the R&B and Dance charts. Take out the factor of PR, and his record pretty much stayed the same.

2) What's "grown"? Prince was 30 when Lovesexy came out. There are fucking Chippendale dancers older than that, who look just as good as they did at 20. He was naked on the For You, Prince albums, and was near naked on the front of Dirty Mind. He showed his ass, quite literally, inside the 1999 album, and showed near everything in a poster w/ the Controversy album. If I looked like that at 30, I would have posed naked too. Good for him for doing what he wanted to do - something fans used to celebrate and now they come along and decide to chop up the past. Listen baby, sexuality is all you'll never need, so dance on. And let's examine the fact that you called him a pansie because he was sitting near or on a flower? So - men can't have anything to do with flowers? Perhaps you should have never been a fan. He dropped hundreds of huge mums and carnations during each Purple Rain show. The stage was lined w/ flowers at other shows, including the PR tour and the SOTT tour. Flowers were all over during the second act of the Lovesexy Tour. And OMG don't forget how he had a flower as a CD case for "TMBGITW" single, and to boot it was a VALENTINE'S DAY CARD! OH THE HORROR! Frankly, your statement is a little homophobic. Makes me wonder if you're not just a troll trying to get a rise out of folks, rather than really being any sort of Prince fan past loving "When Doves Cry".

3) No one is ever going to say GB was a hit, including me.

You obviously had no real idea what Prince or was trying to accomplish with the "SLAVE" thing or whatever. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but at least pretend to understand the fact that he saw it as a struggle. Until you have a record contract, and work for a company for eons and leave with nothing you created - shut up.

Who cares if he said the internet is dead. Seriously, that's your beef?

Prince sold Crystal Ball, Rave In2 The Joy Fantasic (which I bought from NPGMC without one problem), NewPowerPak, and other music (including a lot of his past catalog at one time) through his site(s). Fans bought it over and over. There are still things that were released via his website that were never put out to the general public. That makes them collector's items for hardcore fans. If you don't want to own them, or don't like the way he does business, don't put your money toward it. Talk is cheap. But let's all gather at your pond when you get it filled and open it for cyber business.

Damn, school is in like a muthafu....!!! Great response!!!

ernestsewell said:

avasdad said:

1) how many albums did ATWIAD sell??? less that 3 million?? this was to be the HUGE follow up to PR?? "Fact"

2) a grown man still considered "pop" posing semi-naked = 1 million albums sold "Fact"

3)GB movie made less than 3 million dollars on opening week = flop "fact"

shall we continue??

Yes, let's continue, and let me school you for a hot second.

1) Prince's rate of selling records before and after the enigma that was Purple Rain stayed pretty much consistent. Prince sold, on average anywhere between two and five million records, give or take, up to, and after Purple Rain. Dirty Mind barely made gold status (a minor feat when he can't even seem to reach today without snookering SoundScan). It's like holding every Madonna album against Like A Prayer or every Michael Jackson album against Thriller. If you choose to practice unfair comparisons, be ready for the retort against that. ATWIAD was Prince's second #1 album, PR being the first. Yeah, he hadn't had a #1 album to that point. He only had 3 #1 songs, and they weren't even on the main Billboard Top 40 chart. They were on the R&B and Dance charts. Take out the factor of PR, and his record pretty much stayed the same.

2) What's "grown"? Prince was 30 when Lovesexy came out. There are fucking Chippendale dancers older than that, who look just as good as they did at 20. He was naked on the For You, Prince albums, and was near naked on the front of Dirty Mind. He showed his ass, quite literally, inside the 1999 album, and showed near everything in a poster w/ the Controversy album. If I looked like that at 30, I would have posed naked too. Good for him for doing what he wanted to do - something fans used to celebrate and now they come along and decide to chop up the past. Listen baby, sexuality is all you'll never need, so dance on. And let's examine the fact that you called him a pansie because he was sitting near or on a flower? So - men can't have anything to do with flowers? Perhaps you should have never been a fan. He dropped hundreds of huge mums and carnations during each Purple Rain show. The stage was lined w/ flowers at other shows, including the PR tour and the SOTT tour. Flowers were all over during the second act of the Lovesexy Tour. And OMG don't forget how he had a flower as a CD case for "TMBGITW" single, and to boot it was a VALENTINE'S DAY CARD! OH THE HORROR! Frankly, your statement is a little homophobic. Makes me wonder if you're not just a troll trying to get a rise out of folks, rather than really being any sort of Prince fan past loving "When Doves Cry".

3) No one is ever going to say GB was a hit, including me.

You obviously had no real idea what Prince or was trying to accomplish with the "SLAVE" thing or whatever. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but at least pretend to understand the fact that he saw it as a struggle. Until you have a record contract, and work for a company for eons and leave with nothing you created - shut up.

Who cares if he said the internet is dead. Seriously, that's your beef?

Prince sold Crystal Ball, Rave In2 The Joy Fantasic (which I bought from NPGMC without one problem), NewPowerPak, and other music (including a lot of his past catalog at one time) through his site(s). Fans bought it over and over. There are still things that were released via his website that were never put out to the general public. That makes them collector's items for hardcore fans. If you don't want to own them, or don't like the way he does business, don't put your money toward it. Talk is cheap. But let's all gather at your pond when you get it filled and open it for cyber business.

Great retort

Not that I think he sunk his career, as he obviously still has the career and makes far more money than I ever hope to, but as far as what in my opinion were bad career choices, 1991-1999 just about covers it.

Militant said:

avasdad said:

ummmm...last 32 years??? ummm how about close to the last 50 years!!! PAUL F!@#$ MCARTNEY!!!...dumb ass!!

yes he could of done that...artistic albums dont sell...at least his didnt...

i'll take all 3...we all have our moments...

Paul McCartney doesn't count. (Also it's ironic that you call ME a dumbass WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL HIS FUCKING NAME, DICKHEAD)

Three different careers - The Beatles (1960-1970), Wings (1971-1981), and solo (1981-present). So as a solo artist and not a member of a band his career has been shorter than Prince's.........DUMBASS.

Besides which, his solo career pales in comparison to The Beatles material, and John was always the better songwriter. If we're comparing Prince to Paul, I'll take Prince any day of the week, month, year, or decade.

As for not selling, you DO realize that 90% of artists on the entire PLANET would kill to sell 5 million records which is what ATWIAD sold. As has been stated, Prince's fanbase stayed consistent. Purple Rain was an anomaly due to the movie, not to mention, as stated he deliberately did not create a commercial follow-up so you talking about how it "didn't sell" is meaningless.

Like I said, you know jack-shit about Prince, so don't come here trolling posting ignorant, factually incorrect bullshit and think you're not gonna get made to look stupid.

McCartney does count... you asked..its ok to admit your wrong...

so what u r saying that he on purpose put out an album that wouldnt sell??? real smart.

His fanbase consistent?? u sure about that??

since u know Prince so well....please tally all his albums "prince" "prince & Rev" Prince & NPG...curious to see how all that breaks down as regards to sales... no baiting with that one...just like to know...

we agree on one thing...Lennon is a better songwriter than Paul....

I used to be a die hard fan years ago...but the fact of the matter is he does not appreciate his fans...never has...never will.

dumb thread.

purpledoveuk said:

Larry Graham/ JW change of heart. Say what you want...around the time that those came into his life things changed drastically and the fan-base divided. I presume that the majority of Prince fans were following him before this phase and therefore embraced his style, attitude and whatever upto this point - for me the majority of what had gone before fell to the side of the road and only now and again since have I seen what connected me with Prince originally. Actually, something did change right after he'd signed his new contract...the one he immediately began moaning about. He started to embrace the things he'd campaigned against....b-sides were replaced with non-significant album tracks (Sexy mf & Strolling, Morning Pspers & Live 4 Love) or lazy remixes, drum machines started to creep in, guest rappers were brought in to stomp all over tinpop remixes....he started to get lazy/competent/cocky etc....I imagine signing what was billed at the time as the biggest recording contract, having 25 years of big success etc just made his large head swell further and he thought he could just coast. The trend was there with I Wanna Melt With U and the MNIP remixes...he was trying to latch on to the trend of techno/dance music and since then he's be bringing in 'cool' acts...not on a madonna scale where she just sings on other peoples backing tracks now but don't tell me the Prince before then would have even pissed on people like the Daisy Chain rapper goon if they were on fire. As for NPGMC being a huge success or whatever ...that depends where you live, it was probably shit hot in the USA. Bare in mind people outside the USA/Canada were promised a world tour to get member perks....that tour never left the USA/Canada and when he finally did a handful of dates a few years later the membership perk fucked up and I had to scrabble for tickets near the back, never got many emails with details and links to tracks, never register Rave Into...etc etc. And what did UK fans get for speaking out....a piss take on the NPG Ahdio 'show' of a London Geezer accent moaning and getting slapped down. [Edited 8/24/10 2:29am] [Edited 8/24/10 2:49am]

I agree. Especially with the 1st part.

avasdad said:

Militant said:

Paul McCartney doesn't count. (Also it's ironic that you call ME a dumbass WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL HIS FUCKING NAME, DICKHEAD)

Three different careers - The Beatles (1960-1970), Wings (1971-1981), and solo (1981-present). So as a solo artist and not a member of a band his career has been shorter than Prince's.........DUMBASS.

Besides which, his solo career pales in comparison to The Beatles material, and John was always the better songwriter. If we're comparing Prince to Paul, I'll take Prince any day of the week, month, year, or decade.

As for not selling, you DO realize that 90% of artists on the entire PLANET would kill to sell 5 million records which is what ATWIAD sold. As has been stated, Prince's fanbase stayed consistent. Purple Rain was an anomaly due to the movie, not to mention, as stated he deliberately did not create a commercial follow-up so you talking about how it "didn't sell" is meaningless.

Like I said, you know jack-shit about Prince, so don't come here trolling posting ignorant, factually incorrect bullshit and think you're not gonna get made to look stupid.

McCartney does count... you asked..its ok to admit your wrong...

so what u r saying that he on purpose put out an album that wouldnt sell??? real smart.

His fanbase consistent?? u sure about that??

since u know Prince so well....please tally all his albums "prince" "prince & Rev" Prince & NPG...curious to see how all that breaks down as regards to sales... no baiting with that one...just like to know...

we agree on one thing...Lennon is a better songwriter than Paul....

I used to be a die hard fan years ago...but the fact of the matter is he does not appreciate his fans...never has...never will.

Nope.... he doesn't count for the same reasons I mentioned before.

Jeez you are dumb. Can you not understand the difference between making an album that's artistic and pushing boundaries as compared to making an obvious commercial record deliberately made to be a hit? Look,it's not that hard. The PRIMARY FOCUS was to make the album HE wanted to make, not to sell records by compromising his art.

What's the point in posting sales figures? No matter what name albums have been released under, some have been pure commercially-slanted pop albums and some haven't. What point are you trying to make here?

Obviously it makes you angry that Prince "does not appreciate his fans". But when people like you come here making ignorant posts about how his career is "sunk" when that's not true, and saying his movies "sucked moose cock", WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT? If Prince doesn't appreciate his fans it's because of people like you and the dumb things you say.

But since I've met Prince, I happen to know that he does in fact appreciate his fans....at least, the ones that actually respect him enough not to make stupid troll threads on the internet like this one.

Militant said:

If Prince doesn't appreciate his fans it's because of people like you and the dumb things you say.

But since I've met Prince, I happen to know that he does in fact appreciate his fans....at least, the ones that actually respect him enough not to make stupid troll threads on the internet like this one.

does Prince appreciate bullies too?

jimmyrogertodd said:

ernestsewell said:

Yes, let's continue, and let me school you for a hot second.

1) Prince's rate of selling records before and after the enigma that was Purple Rain stayed pretty much consistent. Prince sold, on average anywhere between two and five million records, give or take, up to, and after Purple Rain. Dirty Mind barely made gold status (a minor feat when he can't even seem to reach today without snookering SoundScan). It's like holding every Madonna album against Like A Prayer or every Michael Jackson album against Thriller. If you choose to practice unfair comparisons, be ready for the retort against that. ATWIAD was Prince's second #1 album, PR being the first. Yeah, he hadn't had a #1 album to that point. He only had 3 #1 songs, and they weren't even on the main Billboard Top 40 chart. They were on the R&B and Dance charts. Take out the factor of PR, and his record pretty much stayed the same.

2) What's "grown"? Prince was 30 when Lovesexy came out. There are fucking Chippendale dancers older than that, who look just as good as they did at 20. He was naked on the For You, Prince albums, and was near naked on the front of Dirty Mind. He showed his ass, quite literally, inside the 1999 album, and showed near everything in a poster w/ the Controversy album. If I looked like that at 30, I would have posed naked too. Good for him for doing what he wanted to do - something fans used to celebrate and now they come along and decide to chop up the past. Listen baby, sexuality is all you'll never need, so dance on. And let's examine the fact that you called him a pansie because he was sitting near or on a flower? So - men can't have anything to do with flowers? Perhaps you should have never been a fan. He dropped hundreds of huge mums and carnations during each Purple Rain show. The stage was lined w/ flowers at other shows, including the PR tour and the SOTT tour. Flowers were all over during the second act of the Lovesexy Tour. And OMG don't forget how he had a flower as a CD case for "TMBGITW" single, and to boot it was a VALENTINE'S DAY CARD! OH THE HORROR! Frankly, your statement is a little homophobic. Makes me wonder if you're not just a troll trying to get a rise out of folks, rather than really being any sort of Prince fan past loving "When Doves Cry".

3) No one is ever going to say GB was a hit, including me.

You obviously had no real idea what Prince or was trying to accomplish with the "SLAVE" thing or whatever. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but at least pretend to understand the fact that he saw it as a struggle. Until you have a record contract, and work for a company for eons and leave with nothing you created - shut up.

Who cares if he said the internet is dead. Seriously, that's your beef?

Prince sold Crystal Ball, Rave In2 The Joy Fantasic (which I bought from NPGMC without one problem), NewPowerPak, and other music (including a lot of his past catalog at one time) through his site(s). Fans bought it over and over. There are still things that were released via his website that were never put out to the general public. That makes them collector's items for hardcore fans. If you don't want to own them, or don't like the way he does business, don't put your money toward it. Talk is cheap. But let's all gather at your pond when you get it filled and open it for cyber business.

OMG??? Who are you and what did you do with Ernest Sewell???

Co-sign ... LoL

ernestsewell said:

Your list is full of personal opinions rather than facts, so it should really be considered rhetorical at most.

Ahh. Someone who understands! Nice one ernest!