I'm surprised that there's been nothing said about the U.S. release of '20ten'.

I've heard the rumour of Warner Bros. distributing it, but nothing else.

None of my connections even know.

What have U heard?

~G

I don't a release date for North America will be announced...makes me very sad.

Oh, I think it will be released here, with or without an announcement.

I also just thought of something interesting...

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the U.S. release having twenty songs?

It would make sense, as the give away release has ten songs.

Hmmmm... That would be SLAMMIN'.

~G

Giovanni777 said:

Oh, I think it will be released here, with or without an announcement.

I also just thought of something interesting...

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the U.S. release having twenty songs?

It would make sense, as the give away release has ten songs.

Hmmmm... That would be SLAMMIN'.

~G

Giovanni777 said:

Oh, I think it will be released here, with or without an announcement.

I also just thought of something interesting...

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the U.S. release having twenty songs?

It would make sense, as the give away release has ten songs.

Hmmmm... That would be SLAMMIN'.

~G

Now that sounds like a Princely thing to do!

Giovanni777 said:

Oh, I think it will be released here, with or without an announcement.

I also just thought of something interesting...

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the U.S. release having twenty songs?

It would make sense, as the give away release has ten songs.

Hmmmm... That would be SLAMMIN'.

~G

the 20 song thing has been brought up in speculation a few times. it would be nice. and according to another orger who heard from the reliable ether that there was a different disc that was supposed to be a covermount for Ebony, so maybe it could be from that, or some of it from that.

but i wouldn't hold my breath.

eireboy34 said:

Giovanni777 said:

Oh, I think it will be released here, with or without an announcement.

I also just thought of something interesting...

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the U.S. release having twenty songs?

It would make sense, as the give away release has ten songs.

Hmmmm... That would be SLAMMIN'.

~G

Why confused? I thought that was fairly well-written!

But wouldn't that be cheapening the selected European countries that got the album for free as a covermount? Twenty tracks for us but just ten for the selected European fans wouldn't be quite fair. I know that old saying "can't please everyone" and it's probably no more true than that suggestion should Prince go along with it.

Timmy84 said:

But wouldn't that be cheapening the selected European countries that got the album for free as a covermount? Twenty tracks for us but just ten for the selected European fans wouldn't be quite fair. I know that old saying "can't please everyone" and it's probably no more true than that suggestion should Prince go along with it.

I think it would actually be more fair. Anyone that bought those papers in those countries got a free sampler. The people who buy full price for it in other countries (or even in the countries that got it free) at a later date get something more.

errant said:

Timmy84 said:

But wouldn't that be cheapening the selected European countries that got the album for free as a covermount? Twenty tracks for us but just ten for the selected European fans wouldn't be quite fair. I know that old saying "can't please everyone" and it's probably no more true than that suggestion should Prince go along with it.

I think it would actually be more fair. Anyone that bought those papers in those countries got a free sampler. The people who buy full price for it in other countries (or even in the countries that got it free) at a later date get something more.

I guess I see the point in this... maybe he was just testing the waters for selected European countries with the covermount idk...

Timmy84 said:

errant said:

I think it would actually be more fair. Anyone that bought those papers in those countries got a free sampler. The people who buy full price for it in other countries (or even in the countries that got it free) at a later date get something more.

I guess I see the point in this... maybe he was just testing the waters for selected European countries with the covermount idk...

more likely promoting a tour. and getting some quick, up-front cash from the papers.

Giovanni777 said:

Oh, I think it will be released here, with or without an announcement.

I also just thought of something interesting...

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the U.S. release having twenty songs?

It would make sense, as the give away release has ten songs.

Hmmmm... That would be SLAMMIN'.

~G

Yes, that's going to come out along with the Musicology DVD, Roadhouse Garden, aftershow compilation disc and Crystal Ball 2. For another $77, you'll receive a 2010 T-shirt.

Although i'm lucky enough to live in the UK I hope there is a US release like Planet Earth had one as I reallly want a nice official hard copy to actually increase my collection, not just a beer mat

It has been released in the US whether Prince likes it or not. It's unfortunate that it wasn't released in a way that makes it available to everyone.

Cerebus said:

It has been released in the US whether Prince likes it or not. It's unfortunate that it wasn't released in a way that makes it available to everyone.

at this point, I'd say more people have easier access to the internet than record stores. sad but true.

i hope it gets released here soon

Cerebus said:

It has been released in the US whether Prince likes it or not. It's unfortunate that it wasn't released in a way that makes it available to everyone.

Yes, because everyone cannot go to E-Bay and order one

Llanishenlad said:

Although i'm lucky enough to live in the UK I hope there is a US release like Planet Earth had one as I reallly want a nice official hard copy to actually increase my collection, not just a beer mat

In a way i agree with you.

After PE was released in other places i managed to get hold of a nice digipak version with a hologram cover. Something like that would be nice, but to be honest the cardboard sleeve does not bother me.

And though i have many doubts about the US (or anywhere else) getting a version with more tracks, i hope they do.

Because unlike a lot (not all) of Americans bitching about not getting 20TEN, i know for a fact i would get a copy of the extra tracks/whatever, because i would be more than willing to buy it from ebay, amazon, or a record store, and be willing to wait until i could do so.

when he tours usa he will release it. After his Rio concert..or so go the lyrics.

[Edited 7/20/10 10:09am]

laurarichardson said:

Cerebus said:

It has been released in the US whether Prince likes it or not. It's unfortunate that it wasn't released in a way that makes it available to everyone.

Yes, because everyone cannot go to E-Bay and order one

Sure, eBay will work for some people. But eBay is not a record label, or a periodical, or a music store. eBay is second hand (whether it's still new in the package or not). It's ordering from over seas (for most people who don't have access to it). It's ordering from people you don't know. And believe it or not, there are A LOT of people who don't use eBay. The point about more people having access to the internet than record stores is quite valid (although it always makes me sad because we have a truckload of them in the Bay Area). However, a lot of people who have access to the interent DON'T download music illegally. Really, it's true. So until 20ten is OFFICIALLY released to someplace where it can be ordered online (physically or as a download), it's only received a partial UNOFFICIAL release in the states. It just makes no sense on Prince's part. It's not released, but really, it is.

MikeyB71 said:

Llanishenlad said:

Although i'm lucky enough to live in the UK I hope there is a US release like Planet Earth had one as I reallly want a nice official hard copy to actually increase my collection, not just a beer mat

In a way i agree with you.

After PE was released in other places i managed to get hold of a nice digipak version with a hologram cover. Something like that would be nice, but to be honest the cardboard sleeve does not bother me.

And though i have many doubts about the US (or anywhere else) getting a version with more tracks, i hope they do.

Because unlike a lot (not all) of Americans bitching about not getting 20TEN, i know for a fact i would get a copy of the extra tracks/whatever, because i would be more than willing to buy it from ebay, amazon, or a record store, and be willing to wait until i could do so.

EBAY!?! OK I get Amazon, I get a record store, I get Wal Mart and Target but EBAY is not where to go man.

maybe he will call it "Twenty10"

(is it me or does '20TEN' look a bit like "ROTEN"? )

Cerebus said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, because everyone cannot go to E-Bay and order one

Sure, eBay will work for some people. But eBay is not a record label, or a periodical, or a music store. eBay is second hand (whether it's still new in the package or not). It's ordering from over seas (for most people who don't have access to it). It's ordering from people you don't know. And believe it or not, there are A LOT of people who don't use eBay. The point about more people having access to the internet than record stores is quite valid (although it always makes me sad because we have a truckload of them in the Bay Area). However, a lot of people who have access to the interent DON'T download music illegally. Really, it's true. So until 20ten is OFFICIALLY released to someplace where it can be ordered online (physically or as a download), it's only received a partial UNOFFICIAL release in the states. It just makes no sense on Prince's part. It's not released, but really, it is.

Dude what on earth are you babbling about? Who the fuck cares if someone buys a CD second hand? The CDs are not going to be damaged unless you damage it on purpose.

‘It's ordering from overseas (for most people who don't have access to it).’

Who does not have access to the internet? Even if you do not have a computer you can use one at a public library or find a friend or use one at your job. You order things overseas with paypal.

“However, a lot of people who have access to the internet DON'T download music illegally. Really, it's true.”

It is not true since music became available on line music sales have fallen dramatically and the sales just keep getting worst and worst each year. The numbers do not lie and neither do numerous people on the net who will tell you that they simply do not want to pay for music. I predict that other artist are going to go P’s route if music sales continue to fall at some point artist and labels have to see a return on their investment. If Prince has found a way to get a return on investment into these projects and can keep putting music out to the fans I say good for him and screw all of the people that are living in a fantasy world when it comes to profit and loss.

laurarichardson said:

Cerebus said:

Sure, eBay will work for some people. But eBay is not a record label, or a periodical, or a music store. eBay is second hand (whether it's still new in the package or not). It's ordering from over seas (for most people who don't have access to it). It's ordering from people you don't know. And believe it or not, there are A LOT of people who don't use eBay. The point about more people having access to the internet than record stores is quite valid (although it always makes me sad because we have a truckload of them in the Bay Area). However, a lot of people who have access to the interent DON'T download music illegally. Really, it's true. So until 20ten is OFFICIALLY released to someplace where it can be ordered online (physically or as a download), it's only received a partial UNOFFICIAL release in the states. It just makes no sense on Prince's part. It's not released, but really, it is.

Dude what on earth are you babbling about? Who the fuck cares if someone buys a CD second hand? The CDs are not going to be damaged unless you damage it on purpose.

‘It's ordering from overseas (for most people who don't have access to it).’

Who does not have access to the internet? Even if you do not have a computer you can use one at a public library or find a friend or use one at your job. You order things overseas with paypal.

“However, a lot of people who have access to the internet DON'T download music illegally. Really, it's true.”

It is not true since music became available on line music sales have fallen dramatically and the sales just keep getting worst and worst each year. The numbers do not lie and neither do numerous people on the net who will tell you that they simply do not want to pay for music. I predict that other artist are going to go P’s route if music sales continue to fall at some point artist and labels have to see a return on their investment. If Prince has found a way to get a return on investment into these projects and can keep putting music out to the fans I say good for him and screw all of the people that are living in a fantasy world when it comes to profit and loss.

What are you being such a dick about?

First, a lot of people care that it's second hand. Not all, but a lot. Personally I find it ridiculous that an artist of Prince's caliber has released an album that is not available in the U.S. It's a completely absurd concept that I would have to make a second hand purchase of an album he released in a newspaper overseas via eBay. ABSURD!

Second, "people who don't have access to it" was a reference to 20ten. Duh!

Lastly, you are factually incorrect. A vast majority of computer users DO NOT download music, or anything else, ILLEGALLY. Period. It's been proven. And downloading illegally is actually a declining trend as it becomes easier and less expensive to do so via all-in-one subscription services. Also, PHYSICAL music sales - more to the point, CDs - have plummited. Digital sales are rising and have been for many years. Vinyl sales have been rising consistently as well. "Numerous people on the net who will tell you they don't want to pay for music" Dude. What? I bet you're one of those people who believes that downloading illegally isn't a crime.

OK... one more thing. You think Prince isn't living in a world of profit and loss? He distributed 20ten this way because he GOT PAID! Come on, man.

[Edited 7/22/10 11:07am]

After the Ebony snafu and the relatively luke warm response to the re-tooled European cover-mounts, an educated guess would be that Prince has moved on and no US release will happen. Any interested US distributor would have been watching the events here and across the pond unfold (and in some cases unravel), and realize how fickle Prince is. The music may be good, but strong-arm negotiations in the US are now out the window as the release is a genuine commercial dud after being heavily promoted yet failing to find the projected audience.

I wish they would hurry up and release it in the states already.

2elijah said:

I wish they would hurry up and release it in the states already.

Same here. I'm ready to go to the record store and have it in my hands and play it on a stereo.

squirrelgrease said:

After the Ebony snafu and the relatively luke warm response to the re-tooled European cover-mounts, an educated guess would be that Prince has moved on and no US release will happen. Any interested US distributor would have been watching the events here and across the pond unfold (and in some cases unravel), and realize how fickle Prince is. The music may be good, but strong-arm negotiations in the US are now out the window as the release is a genuine commercial dud after being heavily promoted yet failing to find the projected audience.

Can you please elaborate (this is not a sarcastic challenge but a genuine question)? I've seen no press reviews (I've clicked on about half of the pages on that interminable 20ten thread but none had press reviews) and have no real idea what the response has been other than the hype of the publications themselves and the raves of the people at the gigs.

So has the release been overwhelmingly ignored? dissed? hammered? Where?

I also wonder whether there isn't a built-in risk to this kind of release that other print media are going to snub it as a reaction (that doesn't explain electronic media tho - did they ignore it too?)