tricky99 said:

ernestsewell said:

But a popular one. Prince isn't a jazz musician, and he's not even really a funk musician. He can play funk songs, but that's not his main thrust. Prince should stay away from jazz. It's boring as all fuckery to hear some old pop star "experimenting" with jazz music. I can't think of anything less interesting. It puts the "mental" in "experiMENTAL" music.

I've enjoyed most of prince's instumental work. i don't care whether it is labeled jazz or whatever. Prince should do exactly what his heart tells him do. If its "jazz" or polka its for him to decide. I'm sure if u were to play your music to the org in general there would be many who would want u do something else or be silent altogether. But that would be beside the point because art is for the artist to make. The rest of us are just shouting from the peanut gallery..

I should really have named this thread "More instrumental music please."

There have been quite a few different comments regarding whether Prince plays jazz or not or whether it can be called jazz. This was not really the intention of the thread.

I agree with your statement about not caring what his instrumental music is labled. Music is music after all.

N.E.W.S and C-Note are my favorite instrumentals by him..If he makes more like those, then I am all for it...I would love if he did another concept instrumental album too.

Jazzy Prince is the Prince I like the most.
The music of this 2002-2003 period is a great mix of funky drums, jazz scales and it still got a nice distorted electric guitar with it. I only like TRC and N.E.W.S. though. It might not be real jazz. But who cares.

By the way:
If anyone knows other artists who make this kind of music, please tell me. I'm talking about music with a funky, jazzy feel to it, still somehow guitar oriented and a good vocalist. The only other band I know that matches these conditions is steely dan. Are there others?

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MISTERHANDS said:

Jazzy Prince is the Prince I like the most.
The music of this 2002-2003 period is a great mix of funky drums, jazz scales and it still got a nice distorted electric guitar with it. I only like TRC and N.E.W.S. though. It might not be real jazz. But who cares.

By the way:
If anyone knows other artists who make this kind of music, please tell me. I'm talking about music with a funky, jazzy feel to it, still somehow guitar oriented and a good vocalist. The only other band I know that matches these conditions is steely dan. Are there others?

[Edited 8/24/10 11:22am]

It's funny that u compare Steely Dan to Prince: 2 me The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale always was Prince's "I can sound like Donald Fagen" album (and it sounded great IMO!)

It depends on the line up, honestly.

Most of the funk jazz albums I own, I appreciate not because of the sole artist they were released from, but from the collective work of session musicians that artist collaborated with. Hell, funk jazz was founded on the notion of a collective work(something that contradicts the "one man band" factor in Prince' music).

For example, Herbie Hancock made a helluva classic out of Head Hunters, and personally, I don't think it would've been that good had it not been for the musicians he invited to make the record - and whats even better, the fact that he invited "funk" musicians to play jazz.

The point is, he took a chance on hiring musicians, gave them an idea of what he wanted and trusted them to put their own spin to it without interfering,,,,,mind you, I'm not making a comparison, I'm trying to make a point here, Prince would've recorded a "one man band" album and let so & so overdub their parts like robots and sent them home, to me personally, this calculated setting doesn't give me the "funk jazz" feel.

The closest thing Prince came to "Jazz funk" was the Moon studio sessions he did with Andre Cymone and the tuff he did for 94' East. I love Madhouse, but I don't think they were "funk jazz" albums though.

MikeyB71 said:

The Flesh Sessions would be great to hear, and one day i really hope we do.

Now THAT project is a collective effort - and something I'm dying to hear.

ernestsewell said:

tricky99 said:

I've enjoyed most of prince's instumental work. i don't care whether it is labeled jazz or whatever. Prince should do exactly what his heart tells him do. If its "jazz" or polka its for him to decide. I'm sure if u were to play your music to the org in general there would be many who would want u do something else or be silent altogether. But that would be beside the point because art is for the artist to make. The rest of us are just shouting from the peanut gallery..

It's still garbage.

I pretty much gurantee that that "garbage" is multitudes better then anything u have and will ever produce. So I would hate to have to label your music but it must be less than garbage.

tricky99 said:

ernestsewell said:

It's still garbage.

I pretty much gurantee that that "garbage" is multitudes better then anything u have and will ever produce. So I would hate to have to label your music but it must be less than garbage.

LOL It's funny how you're so defensive over this garbage that you'll attack anything I do on the side. It reeks of desperation on your part. Please stay on topic.

ernestsewell said:

tricky99 said:

I pretty much gurantee that that "garbage" is multitudes better then anything u have and will ever produce. So I would hate to have to label your music but it must be less than garbage.

LOL It's funny how you're so defensive over this garbage that you'll attack anything I do on the side. It reeks of desperation on your part. Please stay on topic.

Yeah, you're one to talk..... lol

Purpracer2 said:

ernestsewell said:

LOL It's funny how you're so defensive over this garbage that you'll attack anything I do on the side. It reeks of desperation on your part. Please stay on topic.

Yeah, you're one to talk..... lol

I am one of many.

ernestsewell said:

Purpracer2 said:

Yeah, you're one to talk..... lol

I am one of many.

Desperation or need of attention causes people to put down other people here on ernest.org. It is unfair of you to do so.

nosajd said:

I would love another "jazz/funk/fusion" album from the purple man. I love NEWS & like others I feel the Madhouse albums were overrated but I do enjoy them nonetheless. However, I don`t think he needs to put traditional song writing on hold.... he seems quite capable of producing both. Whether u call it jazz or not all that really matters is if u like it or not & I think enough people have enjoyed NEWS to say that another addition along the same line would be enjoyed as well. I`m a huge fan of instrumental funk like Soulive, Galactic, MMW, Scofield, Dr John, Herbie Hancock, even love jazz from the likes of Miles Davis, Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, Stanley Clarke amoung many mnay others whether it is true jazz or not it doesn`t matter, what does matter is enjoying the sounds that hit your ears & I`m all for the exploration of music.

Absolutely.

Purpracer2 said:

ernestsewell said:

I am one of many.

Desperation or need of attention causes people to put down other people here on ernest.org. It is unfair of you to do so.

You're miserable. You attacked ME. I stayed on topic by discussin, and even dissing, the music I dislike. You made it personal, and you think I'M desperate for attention? Dude, look in the mirror. Your trolling is giving you major wrinkles in your forehead. You're not cool, or funny, or anything remotely interesting. You're just L A M E.

How's that for making it personal, son?

S

MISTERHANDS said:

Jazzy Prince is the Prince I like the most.
The music of this 2002-2003 period is a great mix of funky drums, jazz scales and it still got a nice distorted electric guitar with it. I only like TRC and N.E.W.S. though. It might not be real jazz. But who cares.

By the way:
If anyone knows other artists who make this kind of music, please tell me. I'm talking about music with a funky, jazzy feel to it, still somehow guitar oriented and a good vocalist. The only other band I know that matches these conditions is steely dan. Are there others?

[Edited 8/24/10 11:22am]

Boz Scaggs maybe?

'dre

DreZone said:

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MISTERHANDS said:

Jazzy Prince is the Prince I like the most.
The music of this 2002-2003 period is a great mix of funky drums, jazz scales and it still got a nice distorted electric guitar with it. I only like TRC and N.E.W.S. though. It might not be real jazz. But who cares.

By the way:
If anyone knows other artists who make this kind of music, please tell me. I'm talking about music with a funky, jazzy feel to it, still somehow guitar oriented and a good vocalist. The only other band I know that matches these conditions is steely dan. Are there others?

[Edited 8/24/10 11:22am]

Boz Scaggs maybe?

'dre

Hey thanks! Sounds good on first listen. I'm downloading a couple of his albums now

ernestsewell said:

Purpracer2 said:

Desperation or need of attention causes people to put down other people here on ernest.org. It is unfair of you to do so.

You're miserable. You attacked ME. I stayed on topic by discussin, and even dissing, the music I dislike. You made it personal, and you think I'M desperate for attention? Dude, look in the mirror. Your trolling is giving you major wrinkles in your forehead. You're not cool, or funny, or anything remotely interesting. You're just L A M E.

How's that for making it personal, son?

I'm sorry, I'm done with U, daughter.

MikeyB71 said:

databank said:

Jeez!!! I wanna hear this! Is this gig circulating (a quick search online was unsuccessful).

I would love to hear this too, but i cannot seem to track it down.

Also fellow orger camilleisfunky said this in his post..

"I attended this show. It was awesome. It was also my 1st Prince show...I remember that the day after the show Prince's crew posted on the NPGMC website that the show would be made available to the members of the club. It never happened...

The sound quality of the show which is circulating is just horrible."

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Purpracer2 said:

I'm sorry.

On 5th December '87 Prince, Sheila E, Levi Seacer Jr, Dr Fink, Atlanta Bliss and Eric Leeds played an unannounced show at the Fine Line nightclub in Minneapolis. Billed as The Fine Liners, they replaced the original band for that evening Beej Chaney and The Vees.

Prince and band concentrated on jazz infused rock and funk instrumentals. Following a 15 min instrumental funk "warm up" the band launched into a long version of the Madhouse track "Eleven," they then played an uptempo instrumental track before returning to "Eleven" for a few mins. Next was the Jimi Hendrix instrumental "Villanova Junction" and an instrumental version of the Temptations track "Just My Imagination."

There then followed another instrumental jam and an eight min version of the Miles Davis track "Freddie Freeloader," they then played an instrumental version of "Jack U Off" which included a lenghthy drum solo from Sheila E. Next up was a nine min instrumental version of "Chain Of Fools" by Aretha Franklin, this track also feautured snippets of "Cold Sweat" and "Its Gonna Be A Beautiful Night." The gig closed with a mostly instrumental version of "Housequake" with additional chants by Prince.

Great gig, what a joy it would be to have an official release of this show.

Info from The Vault.

^One of my faves ever!

What a pity there isn't a decent enough recording circulating...

vitriol said:

^One of my faves ever!

What a pity there isn't a decent enough recording circulating...

I think 4DF's Fine Line boot is MORE than satisfying, but to each his own.

I like Prince's jazz work. A jazz, soul, funk, rap, and/or blues album.

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FunkyDissCo said:

I think 4DF's Fine Line boot is MORE than satisfying, but to each his own.

The 4DF Fine line is very good, i think what we meant was it would be a great show to have as a soundboard.

I cannot seem to find it in lossless, but the version i have is still enjoyable, top show.

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Many fans of this type of Prince music will no doubt have this, but i was put on to this just recently by a very kind orger (you know who you are), thanks again.

Hearing the Madhouse band in rehearsal is a treat indeed, and in such great quality sound is fantastic too.

If you like Madhouse and have not yet heard these rehearsals, give them a try, You will not be dissapointed. Madhouse really comes alive in these recordings.

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The b-sides and remixes from 8 & 16 are included too, a nice little bonus.

Ha ha, never heard one of his instrumental albums before.

I do like some instumental although I wouldn't associate Prince with it (not that I don't think he's capable, just different).

Wish I could hear 'em.

MikeyB71 said:

More instrumental music please.

wildgoldenhoney said:

Ha ha, never heard one of his instrumental albums before.

I do like some instumental although I wouldn't associate Prince with it (not that I don't think he's capable, just different).

Wish I could hear 'em.

The two Madhouse albums are long out of print. Copies on cd and vinyl crop up from time to time on ebay, amazon and other sources. Whether they are genuine Paisley Park product is a bit of a gamble.

I think that N.E.W.S is also out of print, though i am not 100%. It can still be found quite cheaply.

And C-Note and Expectation were download only albums available from the NPGMC, they can still be downloaded though, if you know where to look.

i love instrumental music, really enjoyed N.E.W.S., would be nice to hear some more mellow.