PurpleColossus said:

It's one of those things like I've heard some people say that 1999 is a "Revolution" album and not a Prince album..I think you can make an argument for both..

Another good example of fuzzy logic.

I completely agree, it's an NPG album. But the fact we're even having this discussion, and not the same with regards to Goldnigga and Exodus, means there is a perceived difference because it's Prince upfront (and only?!)

In the end it's an NPG album, but in name only much more so than the other two. TBA, Camille, even Madhouse and 1999 are all good analogies to use with this 'grey area' naming.

Why does it please people to believe a lie, rather than the truth? Is it just to save face, even over something as minor as the fact that NewPowerSoul is labeled New Power Generation??

Weird.

It's an NPG album. not a Prince album. Not a album.

1. Prince told Mel B in Beautiful Strange that is was an NPG album.
2. When they performed "Come On" on The Tonight Show, it was billed as "New Power Generation". Not Prince. Not .
3. Oh, and then there's PRINCE'S OWN WEBSITE WHICH LISTS IT AS A NEW POWER GENERATION ALBUM ---> http://web.archive.org/we...code=Music (notice that Goldnigga and Exodus are also listed as "NPG" not Prince or , whereas Prince items are listed as "Prince" and items are listed as .
4. Oh, and then there's PRINCE'S OWN DISCOGRAPHY ON HIS OWN WEBSITE STATING IT'S A NEW POWER GENERATION ALBUM ---> http://web.archive.org/web/20020601202348/www.npgmusicclub.com/npgmc/features/discography/index.html Oh hey, look at that. Goldnigga, Exodus, and NewPowerSoul are under ASSOCIATED ARTISTS, and listed as NEW POWER GENERATION.

But yeah, Prince, the dude who recorded and marketed the album, probably has no idea what he's talking about with his own music. Thank God for fans who can correct him about his life.

Gheezus people, do the work, Part II.

skywalker said:

I totally understand what you are saying. I don't even necessarily disagree. Officially it is a NPG album. However, I still maintain this is an argument about semantics. Two

1. Using your logic why would you correct me that The Black Album is from 1987, not 1994. Again, isn't the official release date 1994? Just like New Power Soul is officially an NPG album? Do you file The Black Album as being from 1994?

2. When you listen to "The One" or "Come On" and people ask you who you are listening to do you answer, "The New Power Generation", or do you answer "Prince"?

[Edited 8/21/10 11:36am]

1. I was merely correcting the common misconception that The Black Album was originally going

to be released in 1988, it was actually scheduled for release on December 8th 1987.

However, 1994 is the correct year of release, so yes, it should be listed and filed inbetween

Come and The Gold Experience, as that's when it was officially released. That's where I file

and list my copy (though I do own an original 1987 copy as well, which I do file inbetween

Sign O' The Times and Lovesexy).

2. I would answer "New Power Generation" because that's who it's by, and if they weren't

familliar with the name I would qualify it by saying it's Prince under another name. In exactly

the same way that I would if I was playing Madhouse and someone asked me the same question,

I would tell them that's it was by Madhouse, which Prince under another name.

It's exactly the same situation if I was playing "One Nation Under A Groove", I would say that

it's by Funkadelic, not George Clinton. Or if I was playing "Under The God" I would say it

was by Tin Machine, not David Bowie. Because that's the artist/band that they're credited too

regardless of who's behind it.

.

[Edited 8/21/10 12:11pm]

skywalker said:

BorisFishpaw said:

It's very simple... what does it say on the cover?

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Zeo/newpower.jpg[/img:$uid]

the answer is: "New Power Generation" - Fact.

Again, I don't disagree with your position. However, you seem to not question the fact that his name is strategically placed on his shoulder.

What's to question?

The symbol is part of the artwork, not part of the artist and title of the album.

By using that logic, Planet Earth should be called "3121" and Sign O' The Times should be called

"Two Disc Set" or "Bar Grill" or "CKJ 505".

Or going back to the erroneous logic that makes people say that Newpower Soul is a ""

album... Then surely "Come" should be a "" album too! I know it say "Prince" on the cover,

but let's ignore that fact as most of the songs were originally debuted on the Glam Slam Ulysses

show as new "" songs. Prince was by that time too and he played those songs live

as too.

rudedog said:

Alguy said:

Some call New Power Soul an NPG album alongside Exodus and Goldnigga, while others say it's a Prince album, and I'm confused. Whose album is it, anyway?

Okay, whatever you want to call associated artists albums is fine, but they are ALL Prince albums...Prince witten, Prince produced and Prince directed. Do they have input from NPG musicans, sure. But they are just side Projects which Prince didn't deem enough to call his own, maybe because the sound is different to what he's designated as 'his current sound' (ie: The Time, The Family, Sheila E). I'm not making seem like they are sub-par, they are just different outlets for his expression. So its Prince, but Prince with a different sound with added input from the NPG. For example, The One Prince has said was built around Rhonda's bassline.

[Edited 8/20/10 13:47pm]

I believe the TIME albums were mostly Prince too

squirrelgrease said:

BorisFishpaw said:

It's a pity that the 4th NPG album "Peace" was never released. Maybe if more NPG albums

featuring Prince's lead vocals were out there people would "get it" more.

I totally forgot that Peace was going to be an NPG album. There's really no known track list for it though, correct?

Unfortunately not, it's not even known whether the album was even completed (though I'm sure he

must have put together at least one tentative running order at some point).

The only tracks known as being considered for the album were:

Peace
2045: Radical Man
Northside
The Daisy Chain
Gamillah

.

MikeyB71 said:

People can have all the opinions they want to have. Whether they like it or not, the fact remains.

And thats your opinion.

BorisFishpaw said:

skywalker said:

I totally understand what you are saying. I don't even necessarily disagree. Officially it is a NPG album. However, I still maintain this is an argument about semantics. Two

1. Using your logic why would you correct me that The Black Album is from 1987, not 1994. Again, isn't the official release date 1994? Just like New Power Soul is officially an NPG album? Do you file The Black Album as being from 1994?

2. When you listen to "The One" or "Come On" and people ask you who you are listening to do you answer, "The New Power Generation", or do you answer "Prince"?

[Edited 8/21/10 11:36am]

1. I was merely correcting the common misconception that The Black Album was originally going

to be released in 1988, it was actually scheduled for release on December 8th 1987.

However, 1994 is the correct year of release, so yes, it should be listed and filed inbetween

Come and The Gold Experience, as that's when it was officially released. That's where I file

and list my copy (though I do own an original 1987 copy as well, which I do file inbetween

Sign O' The Times and Lovesexy).

2. I would answer "New Power Generation" because that's who it's by, and if they weren't

familliar with the name I would qualify it by saying it's Prince under another name. In exactly

the same way that I would if I was playing Madhouse and someone asked me the same question,

I would tell them that's it was by Madhouse, which Prince under another name.

It's exactly the same situation if I was playing "One Nation Under A Groove", I would say that

it's by Funkadelic, not George Clinton. Or if I was playing "Under The God" I would say it

was by Tin Machine, not David Bowie. Because that's the artist/band that they're credited too

regardless of who's behind it.

.

[Edited 8/21/10 12:11pm]

Cool. Thanks for the chat.

skywalker said:

2. When you listen to "The One" or "Come On" and people ask you who you are listening to do you answer, "The New Power Generation", or do you answer "Prince"?

and that says it all for me...

PurpleColossus said:

although Prince is on the cover, he's basically just the lead singer of the NPG, like part of a band..

yeah... just like Diamonds And Pearls or the album....

Why does anyone give a fuck? Honestly. This is on the same level of the Bria posts where creepy women on the org start lambasting her and claiming Prince for themselves.

Personally I enjoy the mega nerd-out of it all, but then I also get excited at the smell of new reems of paper and finding money off coupons for herbal tea

On the one hand, what BorisFishpaw says of course is true. Label says NPG, so it's an NPG release. Simple as that.

On the other hand - and i'd like to draw a different line here - ALL the NPG albums always were Prince albums for me, with NO distinction between NPSoul and the other 2. For me, they are as much "Prince" albums as "Prince and the Revolution" or "Prince & The New Power Generation" or "" albums are "Prince" albums to me. I wouldn't make the difference at this point, just because the artist himself says so. It's like asking people what they really think about xy. They'll tell you a lot of interesting stuff, but in most cases the answer to your question will not be part of that.

If we're going to get really nitpicky here, Exodus is credited to NPG (not New Power Generation) on the cover and spine.

MattyJam said:

yep

NouveauDance said:

Personally I enjoy the mega nerd-out of it all

Yeah, this is just one of those debates that will always divide Prince fans. It's the equivelant to the "Who shot first? Han Solo or Greedo?" in the Star Wars world .

Personally, although I concede that officially it is an NPG album, on my shelf and on my ipod it's filed as a Prince album. As Skywalker has pointed out, I'm not going to play semantics when...

a) His face and symbol are everywhere on the cover, lyric book and other promo artwork

b) He sings all lead vocals, and plays the vast majority of the instruments

c) He is the featured artist in all the videos

d) He appeared as himself promoting the album on TV etc.

e) Unlike the other NPG albums, there's no 'story' or 'theme', just a collection of funky tracks

f) To this day "The One" is still performed in his live shows (something that can't be said for songs on the other NPG albums)

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toejam said:

d) He appeared as himself promoting the album on TV etc.

Not true. The BAND was billed as "New Power Generation" on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. People are acting like the discussion is around whether he's actually part of the NPG or not. Of course he is, and he's going to promote an album he's part of, but the project ON HIS OWN WEBSITE (as I noted above w/ links) is billed to the band - New Power Generation, not Prince or .

ernestsewell said:

toejam said:

d) He appeared as himself promoting the album on TV etc.

Not true. The BAND was billed as "New Power Generation" on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. People are acting like the discussion is around whether he's actually part of the NPG or not. Of course he is, and he's going to promote an album he's part of, but the project ON HIS OWN WEBSITE (as I noted above w/ links) is billed to the band - New Power Generation, not Prince or .

Well, my point is that for Exodus promo, he appeared as Tora Tora and wore a sheet of cloth around his head . As for the NPS promo, yes, they were billed as the NPG, but he was still Prince (or at least, ), the bandmember - and the lead man promoting it. But my point remains the same. Skywalker's right. It's all about perspective and semantics. It's a Prince album to me.

[Edited 8/21/10 18:54pm]

toejam said:

It's a Prince album to me.

So you're going to ignore what Prince himself said, and just go w/ your own two cents?

BorisFishpaw said:

squirrelgrease said:

I totally forgot that Peace was going to be an NPG album. There's really no known track list for it though, correct?

Unfortunately not, it's not even known whether the album was even completed (though I'm sure he

must have put together at least one tentative running order at some point).

The only tracks known as being considered for the album were:

Peace
2045: Radical Man
Northside
The Daisy Chain
Gamillah

.

Thank you Boris. I'm sure there's one of those infamous notebook pages or a napkin with a tentative track list written on it somewhere.

ernestsewell said:

toejam said:

It's a Prince album to me.

So you're going to ignore what Prince himself said, and just go w/ your own two cents?

Yep. Is that wrong?

you can call it an NPG album if you want, but Prince is pretty much the only member of the "NPG" that appears on it, both on its cover and in its contents (aside from Kirky J's stale beats, if you want to count that).

toejam said:

ernestsewell said:

Not true. The BAND was billed as "New Power Generation" on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. People are acting like the discussion is around whether he's actually part of the NPG or not. Of course he is, and he's going to promote an album he's part of, but the project ON HIS OWN WEBSITE (as I noted above w/ links) is billed to the band - New Power Generation, not Prince or .

Well, my point is that for Exodus promo, he appeared as Tora Tora and wore a sheet of cloth around his head . As for the NPS promo, yes, they were billed as the NPG, but he was still Prince (or at least, ), the bandmember - and the lead man promoting it. But my point remains the same. Skywalker's right. It's all about perspective and semantics. It's a Prince album to me.

[Edited 8/21/10 18:54pm]

I guess we can make a fair comparison to the Jack White projects The White Stripes, The Dead Weather and The Raconteurs where Mr. White is on the covers of all the albums, writes most of the songs and performs most of the instruments and appears on TV as a band member. The only difference is Jack White has never billed himself as a solo artist, so there's no logical reason to group them all together.

I guess I'll still be placing my Prince and NPG CDs in the same spot out of sheer stubbornness and a natural disdain for change of habit.

ernestsewell said:

toejam said:

It's a Prince album to me.

So you're going to ignore what Prince himself said, and just go w/ your own two cents?

since when has putting stock in the words that come out of Prince's mouth ever added up to anything?

a lot of the promo singles off the album were credited to 'symbol' or 'the artist' not the new power generation

these were released on his NPG label

timmie said:

a lot of the promo singles off the album were credited to 'symbol' or 'the artist' not the new power generation

these were released on his NPG label

Yeah, the packaging graphics did send mixed messages. I believe it was a well conceived attempt by Prince to get us to discuss the naming conventions of his albums instead of his current legal problems. It just took 12 years to pan out.

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/PrinceProducts-4/come_on_front_label_05.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/PrinceProducts-4/the_one_front_label_01.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/PrinceProducts-4/the_one_front_label_02.jpg[/img:$uid]

http://www.aprilsnow.be/c...ef_npg.htm

squirrelgrease said:

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/PrinceProducts-4/the_one_front_label_01.jpg[/img:$uid]

The plot thickens!

NouveauDance said:

squirrelgrease said:

[img:$uid]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n276/squirrelgrease/PrinceProducts-4/the_one_front_label_01.jpg[/img:$uid]

The plot thickens!

I know.

timmie said:

a lot of the promo singles off the album were credited to 'symbol' or 'the artist' not the new power generation

these were released on his NPG label

Only the promotional material had mixed messages (for obvious commercial reasons).

The offical commercially released stuff was all clearly credited to the "New Power Generation".

Personally, I wish he'd dropped the whole "New Power Generation" thing around then. I know

Prince saw the NPG as a loose collective (that actually included the fans), but for most people

the NPG was Sonny T, Michael B, Mr Hayes and Tommy Barbarella etc.

[Edited 8/22/10 3:34am]