smoothcriminal12 said:

Amerigo said:

It's been highly suggested that Michael Jackson was exhausted and overworked from trying to make a tour better than Prince's Purple Rain tour.

Well it paid off because the Bad Tour owned the Purple Rain Tour.

And....Checkmate. Michael shouldn't even have been mentioned.

In my opinion, Prince's best concerts were performed during the SOTT era.

PurpleColossus said:

lotusboy said:

I think if people voted which tour was more memorable, exciting, the BAD tour is just a memory, vague at best, I love the album..but the tour was just another tour...purple rain tour has a certain mystique, a certain allure...just more deeply seeded in peoples consciousness. It had a movie attached to it...a better album.. I'm not talking about $ grossing tours, or how many people attended. Im talking about in retrospect, what tour owned which...PR outshines the BAD tour...regardless of $, attendance or production value.

As much as I love Prince, the Bad Tour owns every actual tour Prince has ever done. From an entertainment standpoint, Prince has never done anything like that. And the Bad Tour is simply why Prince had never reached the level of Michael. The Bad Tour is one of the most well known/celebrated tours around the world, you can't say that for Prince. Prince is a great musician and songwriter,singer but he doesn't have the God-like entertainer factor in him.

smoothcriminal12 you are pretty much correct in what you say, only thing that Prince has going for him is the fact that he's a better guitar player than MJ. Then again Prince is still bad ass and a legend, but no where near Michael in stature (pardon the pun )

Absolutely. See, that's why MJ should have been totally left out of this discussion. There's no comparison, at all.

PurpleColossus said:

lotusboy said:

I think if people voted which tour was more memorable, exciting, the BAD tour is just a memory, vague at best, I love the album..but the tour was just another tour...purple rain tour has a certain mystique, a certain allure...just more deeply seeded in peoples consciousness. It had a movie attached to it...a better album.. I'm not talking about $ grossing tours, or how many people attended. Im talking about in retrospect, what tour owned which...PR outshines the BAD tour...regardless of $, attendance or production value.

As much as I love Prince, the Bad Tour owns every actual tour Prince has ever done. From an entertainment standpoint, Prince has never done anything like that. And the Bad Tour is simply why Prince had never reached the level of Michael. The Bad Tour is one of the most well known/celebrated tours around the world, you can't say that for Prince. Prince is a great musician and songwriter,singer but he doesn't have the God-like entertainer factor in him.

smoothcriminal12 you are pretty much correct in what you say, only thing that Prince has going for him is the fact that he's a better guitar player than MJ. Then again Prince is still bad ass and a legend, but no where near Michael in stature (pardon the pun )

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smoothcriminal12 said:

lotusboy said:

well this is a line I aint biting...your on a prince fan site....i think your in the minority when u say BAD was a better album than Purple Rain. not just here, but on the planet. but lets agree to disagree on this one before someone gets hurt.!

Lol, DON'T speak for the whole damn planet...

I said I THINK your in the minority...!!!

HeyYou7865 said:

PurpleColossus said:

As much as I love Prince, the Bad Tour owns every actual tour Prince has ever done. From an entertainment standpoint, Prince has never done anything like that. And the Bad Tour is simply why Prince had never reached the level of Michael. The Bad Tour is one of the most well known/celebrated tours around the world, you can't say that for Prince. Prince is a great musician and songwriter,singer but he doesn't have the God-like entertainer factor in him.

smoothcriminal12 you are pretty much correct in what you say, only thing that Prince has going for him is the fact that he's a better guitar player than MJ. Then again Prince is still bad ass and a legend, but no where near Michael in stature (pardon the pun )

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Oh please, Michael Jackson was a cheesy music making creep. He didn't have much vocal range, he had cheesy songs, and really became weird/creepy from 95 to his death increasingly so. I like Michael Jackson, but I don't think he's that great (prepares to be flamed but I don't care). The whole Bad Tour was him moaning high pitched moving his neck back and forward like a snake in some cheesy 80's black leather outfits with mediocre songs. The Purple Rain Tour was beautiful, one of the most epic tours ever done. There is no comparison about that (would put insult but would be snipped by luv4u)! I mean I'm no glad he died or anything and he was good, but not grea. He is about as glorified in the media as Justin Bieber, being called the "King of Pop" and "Great Dancer" every second. There's so many better pop artists and dancers than Michael Jackson.

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Amerigo said:

HeyYou7865 said:

Oh please, Michael Jackson was a cheesy music making creep. He didn't have much vocal range, he had cheesy songs, and really became weird/creepy from 95 to his death increasingly so. I like Michael Jackson, but I don't think he's that great (prepares to be flamed but I don't care). The whole Bad Tour was him moaning high pitched moving his neck back and forward like a snake in some cheesy 80's black leather outfits with mediocre songs. The Purple Rain Tour was beautiful, one of the most epic tours ever done. There is no comparison about that (would put insult but would be snipped by luv4u)! I mean I'm no glad he died or anything and he was good, but not grea. He is about as glorified in the media as Justin Bieber, being called the "King of Pop" and "Great Dancer" every second. There's so many better pop artists and dancers than Michael Jackson.

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Let me guess, your one of the Prince fams who think that Prince is bigger than The Beatles/MJ/Elvis combined huh? Sure seems like that..

Looks like someone is bitter about Prince not achieving the level he thinks he should be on. Prince is not the only music in life, and trying to undermine the legacy of someone great isn't going to make Prince seem better. All it does is make Prince fans look like bitter assholes. Your such a great Prince fan, just scare off more people with your of your Insane rants.

No I'm not going to "flame" you, because I fucking love Prince too, but have some logical and real perspective in life would you?

"You load each year with such silliness that they are warped reflections of sights and sounds." ~ Skywalker

Based on your moronic/stupid posts of the past, nobody on this site will take anything you say in any serious fashion. Quit while your ahead, and stop acting like you know what your talking about, because you don't.

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PurpleColossus said:

Amerigo said:

Oh please, Michael Jackson was a cheesy music making creep. He didn't have much vocal range, he had cheesy songs, and really became weird/creepy from 95 to his death increasingly so. I like Michael Jackson, but I don't think he's that great (prepares to be flamed but I don't care). The whole Bad Tour was him moaning high pitched moving his neck back and forward like a snake in some cheesy 80's black leather outfits with mediocre songs. The Purple Rain Tour was beautiful, one of the most epic tours ever done. There is no comparison about that (would put insult but would be snipped by luv4u)! I mean I'm no glad he died or anything and he was good, but not grea. He is about as glorified in the media as Justin Bieber, being called the "King of Pop" and "Great Dancer" every second. There's so many better pop artists and dancers than Michael Jackson.

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[Edited 8/12/10 17:55pm]

Let me guess, your one of the Prince fams who think that Prince is bigger than The Beatles/MJ/Elvis combined huh? Sure seems like that..

Looks like someone is bitter about Prince not achieving the level he thinks he should be on. Prince is not the only music in life, and trying to undermine the legacy of someone great isn't going to make Prince seem better. All it does is make Prince fans look like bitter assholes. Your such a great Prince fan, just scare off more people with your of your Insane rants.

No I'm not going to "flame" you, because I fucking love Prince too, but have some logical and real perspective in life would you?

"You load each year with such silliness that they are warped reflections of sights and sounds." ~ Skywalker

Based on your moronic/stupid posts of the past, nobody on this site will take anything you say in any serious fashion. Quit while your ahead, and stop acting like you know what your talking about, because you don't.

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[Edited 8/12/10 18:45pm]

You mean my moronic/stupid posts since you joined this website in March of 2010? You should have been here years ago to see what was saying then.

Seriously, I am not sure why you are going after me. I am not sure I've even talked to you before. I was talking to Amerigo. Thanks for being so kind though. You seem nice.

As far as MJ goes...I am a huge fan of both and I think it is debatable who is/was a better live performer. Critics and fans alike both herald Prince and MJ as two of the best showman ever. Take your pick. That being said, Prince Concerts are more "live" than MJ's were. Prince's shows are not as rehearsed and are more spontaneous-the energy is different. Plus, Prince's live show is not the same as it has been since 1988. The fact is that, they are both great and you cannot definitively say one is head and shoulders above the other in this regard. MJ cannot work an audience like Prince. Prince's shows are more audience involving than MJ. MJ's shows are/were like going to a movie. It's a performance that could happen the same no matter the audience. Because of the nature of his concerts, Prince always takes the crowd into account and his concerts change based on the crowd. When did MJ last let audience members (who weren't planted groupies) up onstage to dance? Prince has an actual band that he leads, guides, and plays with. MJ just has hired musicians put together for a tour. Sheryl Crow used to play with him and was quoted as saying that MJ didn't know her name. I assure you, Prince knows his band.

Another thing to consider is this: How long was the longest show on the BAD tour? Did MJ cross the 3 hour mark? Did MJ do legendary aftershows during the BAD tour? Did he ever do them? To me, the fact that Prince would play for another 3+ hours after a show is what makes his tours cooler/badder than MJ's tours...even BAD.

All in all, comparing the BAD tour to any of Prince's tours is like comparing apples and oranges. MJ's BAD tour was closer to broadway spectacle than it was live music. Prince's tours have been more diverse. Take your pick. I also prefer Prince because of the women his tours had on it.

Lastly, before this goes too further into Prince vs MJ perhaps we should move it to another forum before this thing gets locked?

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skywalker said:

You mean my moronic/stupid posts since you joined this website in March of 2010? You should have been here years ago to see what was saying then.

Seriously, I am not sure why you are going after me. I am not sure I've even talked to you before. I was talking to Amerigo. Thanks for being so kind though. You seem nice.

Nono Skywalker, I'm not going after you..I'm just tired of Amerigo and his stupid posts in general and wanted to quote what you said about him...I've actually been a lurker of these forums for a little while so I have seen all sorts of stupid posts of his..

And your actually one of my favorite posters here Sky ..You combat the morons who try to constantly bring Prince down and I love it how you hand it to them.

skywalker said:

PurpleColossus said:

Let me guess, your one of the Prince fams who think that Prince is bigger than The Beatles/MJ/Elvis combined huh? Sure seems like that..

Looks like someone is bitter about Prince not achieving the level he thinks he should be on. Prince is not the only music in life, and trying to undermine the legacy of someone great isn't going to make Prince seem better. All it does is make Prince fans look like bitter assholes. Your such a great Prince fan, just scare off more people with your of your Insane rants.

No I'm not going to "flame" you, because I fucking love Prince too, but have some logical and real perspective in life would you?

"You load each year with such silliness that they are warped reflections of sights and sounds." ~ Skywalker

Based on your moronic/stupid posts of the past, nobody on this site will take anything you say in any serious fashion. Quit while your ahead, and stop acting like you know what your talking about, because you don't.

[Edited 8/12/10 18:03pm]

[Edited 8/12/10 18:45pm]

When did MJ last let audience members (who weren't planted groupies) up onstage to dance? [Edited 8/12/10 19:08pm]

During She's Out Of My Life girls from the audience were let onto the stage.

smoothcriminal12 said:

skywalker said:

When did MJ last let audience members (who weren't planted groupies) up onstage to dance? [Edited 8/12/10 19:08pm]

During She's Out Of My Life girls from the audience were let onto the stage.

Pretty sure those girls fall into the planted groupies category.

PurpleColossus said:

skywalker said:

You mean my moronic/stupid posts since you joined this website in March of 2010? You should have been here years ago to see what was saying then.

Seriously, I am not sure why you are going after me. I am not sure I've even talked to you before. I was talking to Amerigo. Thanks for being so kind though. You seem nice.

Nono Skywalker, I'm not going after you..I'm just tired of Amerigo and his stupid posts in general and wanted to quote what you said about him...I've actually been a lurker of these forums for a little while so I have seen all sorts of stupid posts of his..

And your actually one of my favorite posters here Sky ..You combat the morons who try to constantly bring Prince down and I love it how you hand it to them.

Thanks for the kind words.

mysticman said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

During She's Out Of My Life girls from the audience were let onto the stage.

Pretty sure those girls fall into the planted groupies category.

No, they weren't.

skywalker said:

PurpleColossus said:

Let me guess, your one of the Prince fams who think that Prince is bigger than The Beatles/MJ/Elvis combined huh? Sure seems like that..

Looks like someone is bitter about Prince not achieving the level he thinks he should be on. Prince is not the only music in life, and trying to undermine the legacy of someone great isn't going to make Prince seem better. All it does is make Prince fans look like bitter assholes. Your such a great Prince fan, just scare off more people with your of your Insane rants.

No I'm not going to "flame" you, because I fucking love Prince too, but have some logical and real perspective in life would you?

"You load each year with such silliness that they are warped reflections of sights and sounds." ~ Skywalker

Based on your moronic/stupid posts of the past, nobody on this site will take anything you say in any serious fashion. Quit while your ahead, and stop acting like you know what your talking about, because you don't.

[Edited 8/12/10 18:03pm]

[Edited 8/12/10 18:45pm]

You mean my moronic/stupid posts since you joined this website in March of 2010? You should have been here years ago to see what was saying then.

Seriously, I am not sure why you are going after me. I am not sure I've even talked to you before. I was talking to Amerigo. Thanks for being so kind though. You seem nice.

As far as MJ goes...I am a huge fan of both and I think it is debatable who is/was a better live performer. Critics and fans alike both herald Prince and MJ as two of the best showman ever. Take your pick. That being said, Prince Concerts are more "live" than MJ's were. Prince's shows are not as rehearsed and are more spontaneous-the energy is different. Plus, Prince's live show is not the same as it has been since 1988. The fact is that, they are both great and you cannot definitively say one is head and shoulders above the other in this regard. MJ cannot work an audience like Prince. Prince's shows are more audience involving than MJ. MJ's shows are/were like going to a movie. It's a performance that could happen the same no matter the audience. Because of the nature of his concerts, Prince always takes the crowd into account and his concerts change based on the crowd. When did MJ last let audience members (who weren't planted groupies) up onstage to dance? Prince has an actual band that he leads, guides, and plays with. MJ just has hired musicians put together for a tour. Sheryl Crow used to play with him and was quoted as saying that MJ didn't know her name. I assure you, Prince knows his band.

Another thing to consider is this: How long was the longest show on the BAD tour? Did MJ cross the 3 hour mark? Did MJ do legendary aftershows during the BAD tour? Did he ever do them? To me, the fact that Prince would play for another 3+ hours after a show is what makes his tours cooler/badder than MJ's tours...even BAD.

All in all, comparing the BAD tour to any of Prince's tours is like comparing apples and oranges. MJ's BAD tour was closer to broadway spectacle than it was live music. Prince's tours have been more diverse. Take your pick. I also prefer Prince because of the women his tours had on it.

Lastly, before this goes too further into Prince vs MJ perhaps we should move it to another forum before this thing gets locked?

[Edited 8/12/10 19:12pm]

Thank u skywalker..well done and said. PRINCE WINS!!...again! (i know i know, i shouldnt have)

smoothcriminal12 said:

mysticman said:

Pretty sure those girls fall into the planted groupies category.

No, they weren't.

Yes they were. It was just like the YANA girls.

Anyway, I would just like to say, WTF? Honestly, how did this turn into a little topic I made about your favorite Prince era (with a little bit of satire), into a 42 post heated debate about Prince vs. Michael Jackson? I've been suspended for a week and I wanted to come back today and make a good topic, not about you know what.

mysticman said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

No, they weren't.

Yes they were. It was just like the YANA girls.

Were those YANA girls planted? Cause I don't believe that they were...

smoothcriminal12 said:

mysticman said:

Yes they were. It was just like the YANA girls.

Were those YANA girls planted? Cause I don't believe that they were...

I'm positive they were.

mysticman said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Were those YANA girls planted? Cause I don't believe that they were...

I'm positive they were.

They weren't.

This post is an epic=FAIL for so many reasons.

MikeyB71 said:

I hate it when people call him "Princey," fucking Princey!

Yeah and I know Prince hates that too. If Prince wanted to slap anyone for naming him that he has my wish ("no more candy, no more candy for you!" ).

Prince is just Prince to me no matter what era.

And a certain someone should've been left off. Two completely different artists to me. I love MJ but give me a fucking break with the comparisons. Anyways that's it y'all carry on.

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PurpleColossus said:

mysticman said:

I'm positive they were.

They weren't.

I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD,

I KNEEL BEFORE.

i know it , i sent you all you need...................,

the human rights i started,

should i leave,

what is your in my position

When was his head the biggest?

I do remember people buying the Batman album because of the movie and the fact that Batdance was hugely played a lot on the radio and mtv... but being disappointed in the album.

I remember some of my non prince friends (kind of like frat guy types) asking me if the Batman album was as good as Black album. They loved the Black Album. I said it was different. They listened to Batman and didn't ask me for a copy.

I wish Prince had put out the Black Album officially back in 1988!

Who the fuck is Princey?

Is this thread even salvagable? I think not.

sro100 said:

Who the fuck is Princey?

i lol'd

um doens't really make a difference to me

um whichever years under the cherry moon was done

and um 1990