jaybendy said:

I think the "mistakes" he was referring to were his image back in the day, especially now that he's all JW and I've read in many recent interviews he doesn't wish to talk about his past persona... not to mention the fact that he doesn't sing the old songs anymore, the ones that refer to sex and have sexual themes.

1. Prince doesn't like to talk much about the past in interviews...it's always been this way as far as I can tell. As far as his persona....it's not very different from what it used to be. He is still playing the mysterious, mad musical genius, purple sex freak, role that he has always played.

2. Prince sings most of his past songs that have sexual themes. There are too many to name, but "Do Me, Baby", "Scandalous", and "Insatiable" are some that come to mind.

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NouveauDance said:

Reel said:

JW's are not a doomsday cult.

Well, that's splitting hairs. I guess any sect of Christianity is a doomsday cult, since it's founded on the notion an ancient magical superhero will fly back to Earth and destroy all in his path in an epic apocalytic battle of good and evil. That one sect calls it this and one sect calls it that is neither here nor there - either way, I dunno if I'd take council from a megalomaniac who gleefully awaits this mythical destruction of the planet.

<3

NouveauDance said:

Reel said:

JW's are not a doomsday cult.

Well, that's splitting hairs. I guess any sect of Christianity is a doomsday cult, since it's founded on the notion an ancient magical superhero will fly back to Earth and destroy all in his path in an epic apocalytic battle of good and evil. That one sect calls it this and one sect calls it that is neither here nor there - either way, I dunno if I'd take council from a megalomaniac who gleefully awaits this mythical destruction of the planet.

neither would i but whats funny is if he thinks he'll be saved lol

yeahthatsthe1 said:

At least that's what I think Prince said, (something like that) At the BET awards. Anyways my question is what mistakes?. . . bikini underwear? What do you all think he meant?

when I heard him say that, I wuz like "WTF PRINCE?"

to me, he has NEVER made ONE single mistake! I've always loved everything he has ever done...

and besides, he was young and wild back then ... and so fwacking HOT

and still he is to this day!

skywalker said:

jaybendy said:

I think the "mistakes" he was referring to were his image back in the day, especially now that he's all JW and I've read in many recent interviews he doesn't wish to talk about his past persona... not to mention the fact that he doesn't sing the old songs anymore, the ones that refer to sex and have sexual themes.

1. Prince doesn't like to talk much about the past in interviews...it's always been this way as far as I can tell. As far as his persona....it's not very different from what it used to be. He is still playing the mysterious, mad musical genius, purple sex freak, role that he has always played.

2. Prince sings most of his past songs that have sexual themes. There are too many to name, but "Do Me, Baby", "Scandalous", and "Insatiable" are some that come to mind.

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I love how ONE comment I make in an entire paragraph has been chosen by three different people in this thread...

...perhaps I wasn't being clear enough... I apologize. Bsically what I was trying to say was that he's not the same person, onstage that he was in the past. I wasn't specifically talking about any song or songs in particualar. (altho I'm pretty sure he won't be singing Darling Nikki anytime soon...) But that's neither here nor there...

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jaybendy said:

skywalker said:

1. Prince doesn't like to talk much about the past in interviews...it's always been this way as far as I can tell. As far as his persona....it's not very different from what it used to be. He is still playing the mysterious, mad musical genius, purple sex freak, role that he has always played.

2. Prince sings most of his past songs that have sexual themes. There are too many to name, but "Do Me, Baby", "Scandalous", and "Insatiable" are some that come to mind.

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I love how ONE comment I make in an entire paragraph has been chosen by three different people in this thread...

...perhaps I wasn't being clear enough... I apologize. Bsically what I was trying to say was that he's not the same person, onstage that he was in the past. I wasn't specifically talking about any song or songs in particualar. (altho I'm pretty sure he won't be singing Darling Nikki anytime soon...) But that's neither here nor there...

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It's because the comment wasn't clear...as you said. I agree that he won't be performing Darling Nikki anytime soon, but he was doing it as late as 2000...which was well after he was a Jehovah's Witness.

jaybendy said:

skywalker said:

1. Prince doesn't like to talk much about the past in interviews...it's always been this way as far as I can tell. As far as his persona....it's not very different from what it used to be. He is still playing the mysterious, mad musical genius, purple sex freak, role that he has always played.

2. Prince sings most of his past songs that have sexual themes. There are too many to name, but "Do Me, Baby", "Scandalous", and "Insatiable" are some that come to mind.

[Edited 8/10/10 6:14am]

I love how ONE comment I make in an entire paragraph has been chosen by three different people in this thread...

...perhaps I wasn't being clear enough... I apologize. Bsically what I was trying to say was that he's not the same person, onstage that he was in the past. I wasn't specifically talking about any song or songs in particualar. (altho I'm pretty sure he won't be singing Darling Nikki anytime soon...) But that's neither here nor there...

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I knew what you were saying initially.

Prince surely isn't the same lol no question about it.

He had caught wind that Jill Jones was going to go public about him knocking the shit out of her so he was just getting his bit in first.

Oh, don't worry. There's no way in hell I'll make the same mistake he did in becoming a Jehovah's Witness.

Militant said:

I personally don't think Prince views his sexual past as a mistake, AT ALL.

More so I believe he was referring to having to make compromises to the record label.

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y !

It's SO obvious one has to wonder how there are people failing to see this...

porfyrivrohi said:

Militant said:

I personally don't think Prince views his sexual past as a mistake, AT ALL.

More so I believe he was referring to having to make compromises to the record label.

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y !

It's SO obvious one has to wonder how there are people failing to see this...

maybe cuz he's made so many mistakes its hard to know which ones he's referring to lol

porfyrivrohi said:

Militant said:

I personally don't think Prince views his sexual past as a mistake, AT ALL.

More so I believe he was referring to having to make compromises to the record label.

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y !

It's SO obvious one has to wonder how there are people failing to see this...

Um yeah, only Prince truly knows what he meant by it, as fans we can only guess.

IMO that statement correlates with what the kind of person he is today as opposed to the past (I don't have to say because we all know), I highly doubt he's refering to his "record label"

OF COURSE HE'S REFERRING TO WB.

Signing away the rights to his masters. Letting himself be exploited by a terrible deal (which most young artists are prone to do) that he had to fight to get out of.

Having to compromise and cut down the records he wanted to release (ie SOTT originally supposed to be the 3xCD Crystal Ball configuration), not being allowed to release "Let's Rock" as a standalone single when the time was right to capitalize on the dance craze, instead having to release it much letter and changing the name to "Let's Work" so it didn't seem dated..... not being able to release TGE and Come back-to-back as intended.......how many more examples do you need?

Militant said:

OF COURSE HE'S REFERRING TO WB.

Signing away the rights to his masters. Letting himself be exploited by a terrible deal (which most young artists are prone to do) that he had to fight to get out of.

Having to compromise and cut down the records he wanted to release (ie SOTT originally supposed to be the 3xCD Crystal Ball configuration), not being allowed to release "Let's Rock" as a standalone single when the time was right to capitalize on the dance craze, instead having to release it much letter and changing the name to "Let's Work" so it didn't seem dated..... not being able to release TGE and Come back-to-back as intended.......how many more examples do you need?

The way he is now, the philosophy he has, his religion, leads me to believe he was referring to his "wild ways" of the past as a mistake, and not his record company issues.

He refuses to embrace his past, so to me that's what he was talking about. I doubt he's gonna go up there on his tribute night and start making references to his issues he had with WB. The man seems to be ashamed of some of the things he did in his past (the oversexed things, cussing, the way he did things)

PurpleColossus said:

The man seems to be ashamed of some of the things he did in his past (the oversexed things, cussing, the way he did things)

....and you base this on what?

Again, let's not forget that just THREE years ago he was on TV singing "Turn Me Loose", which includes the lyrics:

i'll just make you bleed

the board behind your head, about to split in two
whatever's holding up this bed'll be here when I'm through

Prince is not ashamed of his sexual antics in the SLIGHTEST. He's wary of upsetting the JW elders, but he absolutely does not consider that stuff to be a mistake. No way, no how.

Militant said:

PurpleColossus said:

....and you base this on what?

Again, let's not forget that just THREE years ago he was on TV singing "Turn Me Loose", which includes the lyrics:

i'll just make you bleed

the board behind your head, about to split in two
whatever's holding up this bed'll be here when I'm through

Prince is not ashamed of his sexual antics in the SLIGHTEST. He's wary of upsetting the JW elders, but he absolutely does not consider that stuff to be a mistake. No way, no how.

Exactly.

Militant said:

PurpleColossus said:

....and you base this on what?

Again, let's not forget that just THREE years ago he was on TV singing "Turn Me Loose", which includes the lyrics:

i'll just make you bleed

the board behind your head, about to split in two
whatever's holding up this bed'll be here when I'm through

Prince is not ashamed of his sexual antics in the SLIGHTEST. He's wary of upsetting the JW elders, but he absolutely does not consider that stuff to be a mistake. No way, no how.

He doesn't like to talk about the past much in interviews, apparently he's appologizing for cuss words during concerts. I recall during a 2004 Musicology interview he refered his wild ways as just "getting attention", that says a lot there .

It's been constantly said here by many, that he does ignore his past work, that's what I base it on what people here are saying. The constant things that Ernest ,who I trust his word on saying that Prince has almost shunned his past based on the things he has said, and done.

PurpleColossus said:

Militant said:

....and you base this on what?

Again, let's not forget that just THREE years ago he was on TV singing "Turn Me Loose", which includes the lyrics:

i'll just make you bleed

the board behind your head, about to split in two
whatever's holding up this bed'll be here when I'm through

Prince is not ashamed of his sexual antics in the SLIGHTEST. He's wary of upsetting the JW elders, but he absolutely does not consider that stuff to be a mistake. No way, no how.

He doesn't like to talk about the past much in interviews, apparently he's appologizing for cuss words during concerts. I recall during a 2004 Musicology interview he refered his wild ways as just "getting attention", that says a lot there .

It's been constantly said here by many, that he does ignore his past work, that's what I base it on what people here are saying. The constant things that Ernest ,who I trust his word on saying that Prince has almost shunned his past based on the things he has said, and done.

I personally witnessed him sing parts of "Erotic City" and "Irresistible Bitch", play the grooves to "Head" and "Darling Nikki", request DJ Rashida to play "Sexy MF" at a club, he's singing songs like the aforementioned "Turn Me Loose", writing songs for Bria about her masturbating in the shower, writing songs like "Lolita" about having to restrain himself from horny young girls that want to fuck him, he sings "Little Red Corvette" regularly which is a fairly obvious metaphor......I could keep going with many more examples - and ALL OF THIS WAS IN THE LAST 3 YEARS.

These are not the actions of someone who is in any way ashamed of past sexually obvious behaviour.

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Militant said:

PurpleColossus said:

He doesn't like to talk about the past much in interviews, apparently he's appologizing for cuss words during concerts. I recall during a 2004 Musicology interview he refered his wild ways as just "getting attention", that says a lot there .

It's been constantly said here by many, that he does ignore his past work, that's what I base it on what people here are saying. The constant things that Ernest ,who I trust his word on saying that Prince has almost shunned his past based on the things he has said, and done.

I personally witnessed him sing parts of "Erotic City" and "Irresistible Bitch", play the grooves to "Head" and "Darling Nikki", request DJ Rashida to play "Sexy MF" at a club, he's singing songs like the aforementioned "Turn Me Loose", writing songs for Bria about her masturbating in the shower, writing songs like "Lolita" about having to restrain himself from horny young girls that want to fuck him, he sings "Little Red Corvette" regularly which is a fairly obvious metaphor......I could keep going with many more examples - and ALL OF THIS WAS IN THE LAST 3 YEARS.

These are not the actions of someone who is in any way ashamed of past sexually obvious behaviour.

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Alright, well perhaps I've just been reading too many people here saying that he's "abandonded" who he "truly is".. It is the .org after all and I see a lot of people say that all the time, it really is a constant feeling that people seem to try to portray around here

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JesusFreak said:

yeahthatsthe1 said:

At least that's what I think Prince said, (something like that) At the BET awards. Anyways my question is what mistakes?. . . bikini underwear? What do you all think he meant?

He meant live in sin the way he did- curse in songs, perform lustful acts, ect

There's nothing sinful about his past performances.

I feel very sad for people who attach morality to something as natural and amazing and beautiful as sexuality. Including, sadly, Prince.

PurpleColossus said:

Militant said:

I personally witnessed him sing parts of "Erotic City" and "Irresistible Bitch", play the grooves to "Head" and "Darling Nikki", request DJ Rashida to play "Sexy MF" at a club, he's singing songs like the aforementioned "Turn Me Loose", writing songs for Bria about her masturbating in the shower, writing songs like "Lolita" about having to restrain himself from horny young girls that want to fuck him, he sings "Little Red Corvette" regularly which is a fairly obvious metaphor......I could keep going with many more examples - and ALL OF THIS WAS IN THE LAST 3 YEARS.

These are not the actions of someone who is in any way ashamed of past sexually obvious behaviour.

[Edited 8/11/10 10:09am]

Alright, well perhaps I've just been reading too many people here saying that he's "abandonded" who he "truly is".. It is the .org after all and I see a lot of people say that all the time, it really is a constant feeling that people seem to try to portray around here

Yeah, sad, isn't it? Some people will choose to believe what suits their preoccupation regardless of the evidence.

I read his comment as pertaining to his mistakes with WB. While I do perceive a certain amount of shame (if you want to call it that) towards aspects of his past work, his biggest grievance has been for almost 20 years now how things went down with WB.

Given his own legal and financial issues with the label and his continued outspokenness about it, not to mention that he reportedly advises younger performers to find alternative means of distribution and financing, I'd assume that's more likely what he meant.

As always, this confusion could have been avoided if i'l Princey just spoke sans crypticism.

I think he does not like to criticize his own work because he knows it kicks ass, but that if you compare what he does now to what he did then, he has gone from rated R (and NC17 in places) to rated PG (and rated G in some places)

Current artists cite him as an influence, and the nasty cussing & overt sexuality is often what they refer to specifically. Prince has admitted that he used to just want attention--that he "had to be the loudest" as he said on Tavis--and I think he is maybe ashamed that that is what people learned from him and not the "real music by real musicians part" and that is why he has focused on that aspect in recent years.

Timmy84 said:

Militant said:

I personally don't think Prince views his sexual past as a mistake, AT ALL.

More so I believe he was referring to having to make compromises to the record label.

Then why did he give Alicia the eyebrow when she did what she did? Other than the fact that she was pregnant writhing lol

I think her being pregnant was his only concern.. I know thats what I felt when I saw her up there too lol

NouveauDance said:

Reel said:

I have no problem with him trying to point the "youngins" in the right direction.

Well, it's only his opinion in hindsight that it's the wrong direction. You could just as easily argue that signing up to a nutty doomsday cult is also the wrong direction, but I doubt Alicia wanted to point that out to a living legend on stage.

personally its hard for me to take his pointing "youngins" in the right direction seriously when he still lives in a home that erotic city, dirty mind, head, jack u off and many others helped to build.. Lord knows Rainbow Children didnt put one brick in Paisley Park lol. Seriously, at least when Little Richard had a change of heart regarding his stage antics, he got rid of everything, including his diamonds that had been purchased from his "young and wild days" money. Again its hard to take this statement seriously when his lifestyle is still financed by legacy of awesome sex songs and memories of him in a thong jacking off a guitar.

I think he refered to that day in 198FIVE, or 198SIX, when he arrived at that French airport and he rans off from his camera man to the fans gathered at the fence - but he didn't know it was an electric fence an people were yelling YEAHs and NO don't come closer, but it was too late...

meow85 said:

There's nothing sinful about his past performances.

I feel very sad for people who attach morality to something as natural and amazing and beautiful as sexuality. Including, sadly, Prince.

i think Prince's sexual antics of the past were perfectly appropriate for their time

they were very liberating for a lot of people, then everyone grew up

but to regret any of it and say they were mistakes is just silly imo

i dont think he made any mistakes with his career either

i dont think the WB situation was a mistake in fact i think it was a blessing for much bigger reasons than what Prince may have learned

he became an example for others to learn from and quite frankly i'm surprised to hear him even use the word 'mistake' in context with his career

but i can understand why he might view it that way