KCOOLMUZIQ said:

meisme said:

I agree with you man. I think people just don't give him enough credit. He is still putting out great music 32 years later. Even with his "weird" persona he is regarded by all generations as a musical genius. He has the hardest fan base in the world in my opinion. I mean his fans talk a lot of shit to be people into his music. Yet people who claim to have not liked his new music for like ten years are still around here talking about him. That is amazing. I hope he is still outselling new artist at 72. I'll still rock every disc.

Exactly! & Prince is making way more money now then he did in his Warner years. But not so bright people on here keep calling his projects a flop. When actually he has still outsold most artist today & have had number one albums after over 30 years in the music business. Plus still comes up with brilliant ways to distribute his music. Delivering his most brilliant work in decades. The masterpiece album & 2 million shipped mega hit 20TEN............

I saw the Temptations this last weekend. They were playing Prince music prior to their entrance on stage. That says a lot to me. Prince, Everybody Loves You!!

colorblu said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I saw the Temptations this last weekend. They were playing Prince music prior to their entrance on stage. That says a lot to me. Prince, Everybody Loves You!!

Oh yea! What what were they playing?

Hero0101 said:

The main fallacy here is thinking that Arcade Fire were ever HUGE sellers to begin with. Best to compare to someone like Eminem, whose most recent album "Recovery" debuted at 741,000 copies in the first week.

Compare that to bowing with 180,000.

Now lets look at the fallout. Prince dropped rapidly down the charts. Eminem has been #1 for several weeks, only just now dropping to #2.

Artists CAN sell a great deal, if the artist is relevant, has a hit single, and does all the promotional efforts.

=0P

Lotus Flower is still on the Rnb charts a year after it was out with little or no promotion and no radio airplay. Eminem sells because he gets shoved down the public throats and you can brag on him when he is still around 30 years from now.

Hero0101 said:

The main fallacy here is thinking that Arcade Fire were ever HUGE sellers to begin with. Best to compare to someone like Eminem, whose most recent album "Recovery" debuted at 741,000 copies in the first week.

Compare that to bowing with 180,000.

Now lets look at the fallout. Prince dropped rapidly down the charts. Eminem has been #1 for several weeks, only just now dropping to #2.

Artists CAN sell a great deal, if the artist is relevant, has a hit single, and does all the promotional efforts.

=0P

true-but if you don't get radio play-you can't promote the cd. And since most of major radio is owned by 3 corporations in the USA. What are the odds of them playing artists that are not on their payroll?

Let's just see if Eminem is selling half that amount in sales in 10 years-I think not.

laurarichardson said:

Hero0101 said:

The main fallacy here is thinking that Arcade Fire were ever HUGE sellers to begin with. Best to compare to someone like Eminem, whose most recent album "Recovery" debuted at 741,000 copies in the first week.

Compare that to bowing with 180,000.

Now lets look at the fallout. Prince dropped rapidly down the charts. Eminem has been #1 for several weeks, only just now dropping to #2.

Artists CAN sell a great deal, if the artist is relevant, has a hit single, and does all the promotional efforts.

=0P

Lotus Flower is still on the Rnb charts a year after it was out with little or no promotion and no radio airplay. Eminem sells because he gets shoved down the public throats and you can brag on him when he is still around 30 years from now.

What U are forgetting is that this artist Eminem. Like all that sell that much & top the charts are on a MAJOR record label. They put major bucks & promotion behind these artist to sell that much & be played on the radio @ heavy rotation. Eminem does have a big following & arguably the best rap artist right now. But Prince is promoting himself by himself with his own money. I bet he still is making more money than EMiNem.

Doesn't matter how long Prince album stayed on top of charts. What matters is the profit he made from it. Without little or no promotion...

laurarichardson said:

Hero0101 said:

The main fallacy here is thinking that Arcade Fire were ever HUGE sellers to begin with. Best to compare to someone like Eminem, whose most recent album "Recovery" debuted at 741,000 copies in the first week.

Compare that to bowing with 180,000.

Now lets look at the fallout. Prince dropped rapidly down the charts. Eminem has been #1 for several weeks, only just now dropping to #2.

Artists CAN sell a great deal, if the artist is relevant, has a hit single, and does all the promotional efforts.

=0P

Lotus Flower is still on the Rnb charts a year after it was out with little or no promotion and no radio airplay. Eminem sells because he gets shoved down the public throats and you can brag on him when he is still around 30 years from now.

It's still on the charts because they sell it for 99 cents. A 3-disc-set for 99 cents! Isn't that a shame?

How much do they charge for eminem's album?

Timmy84 said:

I think the big sales factor was short-lived (1984-2001). Other than that, I think it's always been like this. But this adds to people not really promoting artists and overmismanaging the albums. They played a larger role in the decline of album sales than illegal downloads do. Lots illegally downloaded Lil' Crappy, er, Weezy's shitty album and that did 1.8 million in its first week two years ago. Sade sold over 500,000 of her album the first week, Eminem did 700,000. Bon Jovi, like Prince, are in a position to sell more from concerts than albums at this point.

C'mon Timmy, you gotta know your history. Thriller came out in 82 and is still the biggest album of all time. Not to mention The Beatles, Elvis, the Stones, Motown, etc etc. The big sales have been going on for many decades now. Yes, the internet is changing that, but it still sells music, just a different way. I don't like it, as I stated above, because it emphasizes hit singles over complete albums- but the artists are still selling a product. Unfortuneately, the record companies put their collective heads in the sand and ignored the net until it was too late.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Oh yea! What were they playing?

They were playing KISS and a few other songs mixed up with James Brown tunes

The tone of the whole nite was set @ F.U.N.K. and the heat was turned up by playing the masters' music for a warm up. Great show, although only one of the original Temptations was in the line up, they didn't miss a beat.

sorry for yelling

I wonder how much LotusFlow3r would have sold if it were available at all retail and wrecka stows. The fact that he sold that many just through that one store is still impressive! Coming in at number two to Keith Urban was damned impressive. Keith Urban is a huge star in the country biz, and to be after him when his cd was available everywhere ( I think I even saw Keith's cd available at Petco!) lol... is awesome.

Does anybody know how many were sold through the website? Plus, if you're a fan like I am, you probably buy two copies of his cd's. I keep one inside and one in my car.

colorblu said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Oh yea! What were they playing?

They were playing KISS and a few other songs mixed up with James Brown tunes

The tone of the whole nite was set @ F.U.N.K. and the heat was turned up by playing the masters' music for a warm up. Great show, although only one of the original Temptations was in the line up, they didn't miss a beat.

sorry for yelling

That is a way of getting the crowd excited. But kind of strange from a group like The Temptations.........

Purpracer2 said:

I wonder how much LotusFlow3r would have sold if it were available at all retail and wrecka stows. The fact that he sold that many just through that one store is still impressive! Coming in at number two to Keith Urban was damned impressive. Keith Urban is a huge star in the country biz, and to be after him when his cd was available everywhere ( I think I even saw Keith's cd available at Petco!) lol... is awesome.

Does anybody know how many were sold through the website? Plus, if you're a fan like I am, you probably buy two copies of his cd's. I keep one inside and one in my car.

I look at the Lotusflow3r project as a success & wish Prince would have promoted it more & kept it goin. It seems he lost interest after the website failed. I just think it was a waste of good product.....Its sad that it is history now never to come back, only when Prince per4rms the music live....

Dave1992 said:

I think it's completely understandable. Prince, like you correctly pointed out, has been around for many years and has his hardcore fanbase plus the random listener who would buy an album for old time's sake. He hardly wins lots of fans anymore, though.

Really? Have u been 2 any concerts lately?

Graycap23 said:

Dave1992 said:

I think it's completely understandable. Prince, like you correctly pointed out, has been around for many years and has his hardcore fanbase plus the random listener who would buy an album for old time's sake. He hardly wins lots of fans anymore, though.

Really? Have u been 2 any concerts lately?

Not that it's relevant, but I've been to the Vienna concert.

Most young people there (and there weren't many) are into Prince because of their parents.

This is not criticism at all, I'm just stating how I believe things work nowadays.

Dave1992 said:

Graycap23 said:

Really? Have u been 2 any concerts lately?

Not that it's relevant, but I've been to the Vienna concert.

Most young people there (and there weren't many) are into Prince because of their parents.

This is not criticism at all, I'm just stating how I believe things work nowadays.

No doubt that is true..............but some are converted into new fans.

XNY said:

Timmy84 said:

I think the big sales factor was short-lived (1984-2001). Other than that, I think it's always been like this. But this adds to people not really promoting artists and overmismanaging the albums. They played a larger role in the decline of album sales than illegal downloads do. Lots illegally downloaded Lil' Crappy, er, Weezy's shitty album and that did 1.8 million in its first week two years ago. Sade sold over 500,000 of her album the first week, Eminem did 700,000. Bon Jovi, like Prince, are in a position to sell more from concerts than albums at this point.

C'mon Timmy, you gotta know your history. Thriller came out in 82 and is still the biggest album of all time. Not to mention The Beatles, Elvis, the Stones, Motown, etc etc. The big sales have been going on for many decades now. Yes, the internet is changing that, but it still sells music, just a different way. I don't like it, as I stated above, because it emphasizes hit singles over complete albums- but the artists are still selling a product. Unfortuneately, the record companies put their collective heads in the sand and ignored the net until it was too late.

Oh I know that. But the music industry was in danger before, in the early '80s and then later in like the mid-'90s or late-'90s, and it was always picked up by whatever kind of move the artist did that got labels' attention. So it isn't like a new thing. It's just now the internet's making it difficult for labels to get away with the bullshit they usually got away with it. It's not like the music industry was doing perfectly great until the internet showed up.

ludwig said:

laurarichardson said:

Lotus Flower is still on the Rnb charts a year after it was out with little or no promotion and no radio airplay. Eminem sells because he gets shoved down the public throats and you can brag on him when he is still around 30 years from now.

It's still on the charts because they sell it for 99 cents. A 3-disc-set for 99 cents! Isn't that a shame?

How much do they charge for eminem's album?

Once again who the fuck cares that it is selling for 99cents. This is good for the consumer and P already made his money off of it. It is a win win for everyone and I cannot understand why some of you jokers don't see that. 99cents is better than not selling at all.

It is almost like you want to go back to the days of$20.00 cds . (LOL)

laurarichardson said:

ludwig said:

It's still on the charts because they sell it for 99 cents. A 3-disc-set for 99 cents! Isn't that a shame?

How much do they charge for eminem's album?

Once again who the fuck cares that it is selling for 99cents. This is good for the consumer and P already made his money off of it. It is a win win for everyone and I cannot understand why some of you jokers don't see that. 99cents is better than not selling at all.

It is almost like you want to go back to the days of$20.00 cds . (LOL)

Have you ever heard about the word context? Maybe you should google the definition.

ludwig said:

laurarichardson said:

Once again who the fuck cares that it is selling for 99cents. This is good for the consumer and P already made his money off of it. It is a win win for everyone and I cannot understand why some of you jokers don't see that. 99cents is better than not selling at all.

It is almost like you want to go back to the days of$20.00 cds . (LOL)

Have you ever heard about the word context? Maybe you should google the definition.

I think its amazing he outsold Miley Cyrus!

Her last album did 103,000 opening week!

Prince is doing JUST fine!

significant points u make

related to this is the reality that he has attracted many new fans

thru his tours;

unlike the 80's, the youth of today are more open-minded and

don't cling to the past the way some of his older fans do

plus, the man is always coming up w/ unique ways of reaching

new listeners that do not depend on mainstream practices

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Purpracer2 said:

I wonder how much LotusFlow3r would have sold if it were available at all retail and wrecka stows. The fact that he sold that many just through that one store is still impressive! Coming in at number two to Keith Urban was damned impressive. Keith Urban is a huge star in the country biz, and to be after him when his cd was available everywhere ( I think I even saw Keith's cd available at Petco!) lol... is awesome.

Does anybody know how many were sold through the website? Plus, if you're a fan like I am, you probably buy two copies of his cd's. I keep one inside and one in my car.

I look at the Lotusflow3r project as a success & wish Prince would have promoted it more & kept it goin. It seems he lost interest after the website failed. I just think it was a waste of good product.....Its sad that it is history now never to come back, only when Prince per4rms the music live....

KCOOLMUZIblahblahblah, why on earth do you insist on typing within someone's quote? Your font being purple doesn't distinguish you enough (though I know ur tryin girl!), so you should attempt to type outside of the quote so people understand what the hell you're talking about.

Forums, 101.

NelsonR said:

significant points u make

related to this is the reality that he has attracted many new fans

thru his tours;

unlike the 80's, the youth of today are more open-minded and

don't cling to the past the way some of his older fans do

plus, the man is always coming up w/ unique ways of reaching

new listeners that do not depend on mainstream practices

Put down the needle and the spoon, son. If people get hip to Prince's new records, it's not because of his legacy. We see it frequently on the org where people have 2 albums (most likely something like LotusFlower and then Emancipation or something else that's super cheap to buy). They don't own LoveSexy or Purple Rain or ATWIAD, etc. This doesn't make them bad people, but it does make them lowbie-rank fans. And I'm pretty sure fans who come new to Prince will be even more eager to get into his old shit because music today is just 80s rip offs.

Additionally, Prince's younger fans are also more intelligent and more technologically advanced than some of his older fans who type in badly-worded calligraphy about doves and sunshine and rainbows whilst grooving to "Sea of Everything" and spritzing their 3121 perfume around their homes.

Spinlight said:

NelsonR said:

significant points u make

related to this is the reality that he has attracted many new fans

thru his tours;

unlike the 80's, the youth of today are more open-minded and

don't cling to the past the way some of his older fans do

plus, the man is always coming up w/ unique ways of reaching

new listeners that do not depend on mainstream practices

Put down the needle and the spoon, son. If people get hip to Prince's new records, it's not because of his legacy. We see it frequently on the org where people have 2 albums (most likely something like LotusFlower and then Emancipation or something else that's super cheap to buy). They don't own LoveSexy or Purple Rain or ATWIAD, etc. This doesn't make them bad people, but it does make them lowbie-rank fans. And I'm pretty sure fans who come new to Prince will be even more eager to get into his old shit because music today is just 80s rip offs.

Additionally, Prince's younger fans are also more intelligent and more technologically advanced than some of his older fans who type in badly-worded calligraphy about doves and sunshine and rainbows whilst grooving to "Sea of Everything" and spritzing their 3121 perfume around their homes.

year after year Prince proves that he's ahead of his time,

and the youth dig him, the way some of us dig george clinton

Spinlight said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

KCOOLMUZIblahblahblah, why on earth do you insist on typing within someone's quote? Your font being purple doesn't distinguish you enough (though I know ur tryin girl!), so you should attempt to type outside of the quote so people understand what the hell you're talking about.

Forums, 101.

First of all I am not a girl, woman, female. This is all male here. I will put it outside the quote now...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Spinlight said:

KCOOLMUZIblahblahblah, why on earth do you insist on typing within someone's quote? Your font being purple doesn't distinguish you enough (though I know ur tryin girl!), so you should attempt to type outside of the quote so people understand what the hell you're talking about.

Forums, 101.

First of all I am not a girl, woman, female. This is all male here. I will put it outside the quote now...

Don't trip. Feel better, feel good, feel wonderful.

ludwig said:

laurarichardson said:

Once again who the fuck cares that it is selling for 99cents. This is good for the consumer and P already made his money off of it. It is a win win for everyone and I cannot understand why some of you jokers don't see that. 99cents is better than not selling at all.

It is almost like you want to go back to the days of$20.00 cds . (LOL)

Have you ever heard about the word context? Maybe you should google the definition.

[Flame snip - luv4u] Now go goggle that because I think you do not understand context.

squirrelgrease said:

ludwig said:

Have you ever heard about the word context? Maybe you should google the definition.

[Flame snip - luv4u]

iamchris90yall said:

I think its amazing he outsold Miley Cyrus!

Her last album did 103,000 opening week!

Prince is doing JUST fine!

Honey, I have read 5 music magazines that have reviewed it so far, they all gave her album 1 or 2 stars, it will sink like a lead balloon.

laurarichardson said:

squirrelgrease said:

[Flame snip - luv4u]

Classy.

NelsonR said:

Spinlight said:

Put down the needle and the spoon, son. If people get hip to Prince's new records, it's not because of his legacy. We see it frequently on the org where people have 2 albums (most likely something like LotusFlower and then Emancipation or something else that's super cheap to buy). They don't own LoveSexy or Purple Rain or ATWIAD, etc. This doesn't make them bad people, but it does make them lowbie-rank fans. And I'm pretty sure fans who come new to Prince will be even more eager to get into his old shit because music today is just 80s rip offs.

Additionally, Prince's younger fans are also more intelligent and more technologically advanced than some of his older fans who type in badly-worded calligraphy about doves and sunshine and rainbows whilst grooving to "Sea of Everything" and spritzing their 3121 perfume around their homes.

year after year Prince proves that he's ahead of his time,

and the youth dig him, the way some of us dig george clinton

Actually im young and everybody I know my age hates prince or doesnt have a care in the world for him. I mean he does have young fans but they're definately in the minority.